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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: fix pdf build https://review.openstack.org/475408 | 12:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: delete project-specific steps from installation guide https://review.openstack.org/475395 | 12:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: replace install-guide landing page contents with list of projects https://review.openstack.org/475518 | 12:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: remove project-specific content from admin guide https://review.openstack.org/475435 | 12:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: remove os-specific doc guide home pages https://review.openstack.org/475519 | 12:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: move getting started content into the install guide https://review.openstack.org/475434 | 12:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: move /developer/.* out of the subdirectory https://review.openstack.org/475572 | 12:22 |
| dhellmann | asettle : I added depends-on to all of those patches, as requested ^^ | 12:22 |
| asettle | dhellmann: danke danke :) | 12:22 |
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| asettle | AJaeger: you in? :) | 12:25 |
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| setuid | Question: When upstream openstack releases go EOL, it appears that a subset of the docs at docs.openstack.org/<release> get pulled, and are no longer available for searching/reading (other than pulling them from Wayback). Are these kept in a public archive of some sort? | 13:14 |
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| asettle | setuid: hey | 13:19 |
| asettle | So | 13:19 |
| asettle | Sorta | 13:19 |
| asettle | Depends what you're afte | 13:19 |
| asettle | after* | 13:19 |
| asettle | https://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/docs-builds.html | 13:19 |
| asettle | We have some instructions here on building docs from EOL releases | 13:19 |
| asettle | We are working on a longer-term archiving plan, but at the moment we don't have anyone to actually execute it, and we've got some pretty big projects on our plate | 13:19 |
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| setuid | asettle: *nod*, totally understand. So we (Canonical) support Openstack releases beyond EOL, when our customers are running them on an LTS release of Ubuntu. So there's a gap. | 13:32 |
| setuid | I just pulled git://git.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-manuals, checking out wht that gives me now | 13:33 |
| asettle | setuid: you should be able to access all the support and administration docs. I do not believe you will be able to access the installation guides, however. | 13:33 |
| setuid | One of our clients _may_ want these web-accessible, so as long as this provides that, for search/sort/linking, that may be sufficient | 13:33 |
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| setuid | Is the removal of the install/admin guides to indemnify you against someone installing it, breaking things and trying to litigate? | 13:34 |
| setuid | IOW, why not just tuck them behind archive.openstack.org/docs/<release> or some such? | 13:34 |
| asettle | setuid: historically it's simply because we follow the release guidelines that the development teams follow. | 13:35 |
| asettle | We actually have an archiving plan: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/426047/ | 13:35 |
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| asettle | But unfortunately we do not have the team members to help us initiate the changes | 13:35 |
| asettle | :( | 13:35 |
| setuid | Hrm, looks like this git repo has purged all the branches for previous releases also | 13:35 |
| asettle | setuid: purged branches, look at the tags | 13:36 |
| setuid | ah | 13:36 |
| * asettle throws confetti | 13:36 | |
| asettle | :D | 13:37 |
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| asettle | setuid: if by chance you have some people that are happy to help us work on this archiving (everything is essentially planned) solution, it might help you guys and your problem with the customer? :) | 13:39 |
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| setuid | I may be able to kickstart that. Have some contact names you can point me to? | 13:40 |
| setuid | I'm going to spin a part of this topic up internally @Canonical also, so we can meet somewhere in the middle | 13:40 |
| asettle | setuid: contact names for whaaat exactly? Haha. There's not may of us left :( at the moment, if you're looking to get things going, you've pretty much got me (Hi, I'm Alex, I'm the PTL) and dhellmann who has been helping out. I know that AJaeger also offered some assistance. We might be able to convince berendt to help out too if we're really nice to him. | 13:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/docs-specs master: Fix html_last_updated_fmt for Python3 https://review.openstack.org/474768 | 13:42 |
| berendt | asettle: you want to send me cookies? | 13:42 |
| asettle | berendt: I can probably manage it. How do you feel about choc chip? | 13:42 |
| setuid | Do me a favor, shoot me an email with contact names/addresses, david.desrosiers@canonical.com, and let's discuss helping each other close this gap. I'm surprised it hasn't come up before, but I think we can help close it. | 13:43 |
| * asettle claps :D | 13:43 | |
| asettle | Hooray | 13:43 |
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| asettle | That's wonderful, thanks setuid | 13:43 |
| asettle | Actually, here's pkovar too. | 13:44 |
| pkovar | what's up? | 13:44 |
| asettle | pkovar: Do you have some time to help us out with the archiving plan? :) | 13:44 |
| asettle | RE: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/426047/ | 13:44 |
| asettle | The OSIC guys were meant to fill this gap, but we uhh... kinda lost those peeps | 13:44 |
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| asettle | setuid: has kindly offered to kick start the archiving stuff with Canonical | 13:44 |
| asettle | Just trying to round up some folks | 13:45 |
| asettle | Maybe we can do this alongside the migration plan before we move everything | 13:45 |
| setuid | I just want to plug the right people together, to see what resources we have, what approval we have to help, and if we can close out this gap. | 13:45 |
| asettle | setuid: sounds good. It's a start :) | 13:45 |
| asettle | setuid: this is where the docs team is at at the moment: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472275/ | 13:45 |
| berendt | asettle: shortbread.. :) | 13:45 |
| asettle | Take a quick read, should give you a bit of context of what's happening | 13:45 |
| asettle | berendt: oh man you drive a hard bargain. You're lucky I have a decent recipe. | 13:45 |
| setuid | It would seem that there's resources to pull the docs off the portal, so there should be enough to help move them to a sub-portal, where they can be archived, with a big, red boilelrplate that they're EOL, etc. | 13:45 |
| pkovar | asettle: not sure what skills exactly are required, but I'd like to help, sure | 13:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: move /developer/.* out of the subdirectory https://review.openstack.org/475572 | 13:47 |
| setuid | Ideally, I'd prefer that the docs remain hosted on openstack.org, vs. say... pointing to docs.canonical.com/openstack/<release> for example. | 13:47 |
| asettle | pkovar: take a quick look at the archiving spec if you have a ommento :) | 13:47 |
| asettle | setuid: we would also prefer that :P | 13:47 |
| asettle | If you have a look through the archiving spec | 13:47 |
| asettle | We were looking at moving the archived docs into a tarball | 13:47 |
| setuid | that's not ideal | 13:48 |
| setuid | It breaks the ability to link to them from internal operator docs | 13:48 |
| setuid | searching, linking, referring to them in a tarball is heavy-weight, onerout | 13:48 |
| setuid | *onerous | 13:48 |
| asettle | It was the proposed solution at the time. I'd be happy to revisit the proposed solution, I know dhellmann wasn't exactly in love with it either. | 13:48 |
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| setuid | Is there a storage capacity issue that is pushing that direction? | 13:49 |
| asettle | setuid: that's fair. I guess if you take a look at our situation in the migration spec, you'll see we don't have a tonne of people to help out and manage a lot of these things like we used to. | 13:49 |
| asettle | setuid: indeed. Or at least, that was the reasoning at the time. | 13:49 |
| dhellmann | asettle, setuid : one reason those pages were taken down is that without the branch we have no way to fix them when say there is a javascript security issue | 13:49 |
| dhellmann | that wasn't the main reason, but iirc it factored into the decision | 13:50 |
| setuid | hrm, fair point. Any way to strip the js from the pages, leaving them bare html? | 13:50 |
| dhellmann | no idea | 13:50 |
| asettle | dhellmann: you're correct in saying that | 13:50 |
| asettle | setuid: I wouldn't know either. A lot of this was guess work when we wrote the spec. | 13:51 |
| asettle | Hence, happy to revisit based of customer requirements. | 13:51 |
| setuid | Ok, we can help with the spec, and define some requirements that we can work with. | 13:51 |
| dhellmann | there is also the question of what the "community" supports vs. what companies like canonical and red hat need to do for their customer | 13:51 |
| dhellmann | s | 13:51 |
| setuid | Let's take this over to email though, so I can pull in some other folks who aren't on IRC | 13:51 |
| asettle | dhellmann: very true also. | 13:51 |
| setuid | dhellmann: Right, I'm trying to straddle that gap | 13:51 |
| dhellmann | setuid : you should also look at the implications for this that come up after the change in https://review.openstack.org/472275 goes through | 13:52 |
| setuid | We support EOL releases as long as the LTS is still supported. Once the underlying LTS goes EOL, so does the openstack running on it. | 13:52 |
| dhellmann | yeah, we also have to support releases for longer than upstream does | 13:52 |
| setuid | You're on the RH side? | 13:52 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 13:52 |
| * asettle waves hand at Rackpsace office | 13:53 | |
| asettle | Us too | 13:53 |
| asettle | space* | 13:53 |
| setuid | Ok, so clearly there's a need here ;) | 13:53 |
| asettle | Oh yes, no denying that | 13:53 |
| asettle | Just, no people. | 13:53 |
| setuid | I can try to muster some people, we have neophytes who would love the chance to contribute, chop into some docs and help out. | 13:53 |
| asettle | "neophytes" | 13:53 |
| setuid | We just sliced 25% off the top, so we're a bit constrained, but we still have to deliver | 13:53 |
| * asettle spits out water | 13:54 | |
| asettle | Okay, we can do that. | 13:54 |
| asettle | I can help get people up to speed on contributing. It's a fairly straight forward process, but I'll offer myself as a point of contact for questions and concerns | 13:54 |
| setuid | /msg me with a contact email, and let's spin this up. I'll pull in some people from my side to weigh in. | 13:56 |
| asettle | setuid: will do by COB my time :) | 13:58 |
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| setuid | Super, and thanks! | 13:59 |
| asettle | No problemo! I'll send you an intro email and a little bit of context with what's been happening | 14:00 |
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| setuid | This is probably an artifact (no pun intended) of the branches being removed: https://paste.debian.net/972401/ | 14:32 |
| setuid | can't build the docs, because the branches that maven needs to find the artifacts from, aren't there | 14:33 |
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| asettle | Hmmm setuid I admit I haven't had this problem before. | 14:34 |
| setuid | just pop into openstack-manuals/doc, run 'mvn clean generate-sources' | 14:35 |
| setuid | I'm on the lilberty-eol tag | 14:36 |
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| asettle | setuid: uno momento | 14:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | sebastian marcet proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Update Site Search https://review.openstack.org/475555 | 14:39 |
| openstackgerrit | sebastian marcet proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Update Site Search https://review.openstack.org/475555 | 14:40 |
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| asettle | setuid: it's taking it's time. Okay. seems to have an issue with the config ref. | 14:45 |
| asettle | hm | 14:45 |
| asettle | It actually shouldn't be building the config ref, tbh | 14:45 |
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| asettle | annegentle: I know you worked a lot with the building of other releases using tags. Could you help setuid here? | 14:46 |
| asettle | Error when building liberty: https://paste.debian.net/972401/ | 14:46 |
| asettle | I get the same response. | 14:47 |
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| annegentle | sure, taking a look | 14:47 |
| asettle | I admittedly am a bit confused as to why it's building hte config ref at all | 14:47 |
| asettle | I thought it wouldn't do that? | 14:47 |
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| annegentle | is that local? | 14:48 |
| annegentle | or on a build server? | 14:48 |
| asettle | local | 14:49 |
| asettle | Or at least, mine is | 14:49 |
| asettle | And I've got the same response | 14:49 |
| annegentle | oh, I think I see it. there's a dependency on a file in cinder, and the stable/liberty branch doesn't exist in cinder. See https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/cinder/plain/etc/cinder/api-paste.ini?h=stable/liberty) | 14:49 |
| annegentle | so, it's a tag referring to a branch, probably | 14:50 |
| asettle | *oh* | 14:50 |
| annegentle | openstack-manuals has tags, not sure how to change that job to get a cinder reference working though... | 14:50 |
| asettle | So how do we fix that? | 14:50 |
| asettle | Oh right | 14:50 |
| asettle | Hmm | 14:50 |
| annegentle | not sure it can be... | 14:51 |
| annegentle | only idea I have is that you could look for tags in other projects, and refer to those in the configuration. Or, bring in the api-paste.ini from cinder's history (or a tag) from that point in time, to a local place. | 14:51 |
| asettle | setuid: do you need the config ref? | 14:52 |
| asettle | Right now, I mean | 14:52 |
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| setuid | Nope, just trying to build working, browsable doc tree | 14:54 |
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| setuid | I'l comment it out of the pom | 14:55 |
| asettle | So, you can build the guides individually (oh huzzah) until we fix the above issue. Or, comment out of hte pom | 14:55 |
| asettle | Ah, yeah, you got it :) | 14:55 |
| setuid | Right, but now other pom.xml files are missing. Sigh. Seems to match the pulled docs upstream. | 14:57 |
| setuid | install-guide for example, is never built | 14:57 |
| asettle | setuid: yeah I mentioned that above. It won't build the versioned stuff :( | 14:57 |
| asettle | Just the guides from that point in time. | 14:58 |
| asettle | Which is why the archiving solution was so important. | 14:58 |
| setuid | So this is a dead end too. Ok. | 14:58 |
| asettle | setuid: unfortunately it is the best I can offer for now. Are you specifically looking for administration and operations documentation? | 15:00 |
| asettle | setuid: okay email to you | 15:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals master: Update Spectrum Scale (GPFS) share driver doc https://review.openstack.org/469453 | 16:58 |
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| setuid | asettle: Thanks for the email, good context | 17:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/docs-specs master: Adds spec for migrating the documentation suite to project repos https://review.openstack.org/472275 | 17:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/docs-specs master: Adds spec for migrating the documentation suite to project repos https://review.openstack.org/472275 | 17:11 |
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| asettle | setuid: no worries :) | 17:30 |
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| AJaeger | asettle: now I'm here. | 17:50 |
| asettle | hi hi! | 17:50 |
| AJaeger | asettle: how was your vacation? Where in Italy have you been? | 17:50 |
| asettle | AJaeger: it was wonderful, thank you :) we did lots of things! Milan, Verona, Vicenza, Venice, Padua, Modena, Bologna, Padua... | 17:51 |
| asettle | Now home :( | 17:51 |
| asettle | How have you been? :) | 17:51 |
| AJaeger | setuid: use the openstack-docs mailing list, please | 17:52 |
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| AJaeger | asettle: I was a bit more north in Italy and enjoyed my vacation as well ;) Was in South Tyrol / Dolomites. But instead of large cities, it was a farm in a small village ;) And they spoke German :) | 17:55 |
| asettle | AJaeger: there was a *lot* of Germans in Italy :p | 17:55 |
| asettle | Surprised I didn't bump into you, really ;P | 17:55 |
| setuid | AJaeger: Use the mailing list for which? This is more a 'strategic partnering' discussion, but some of it is relevant to the list, some of it may not be. | 17:55 |
| AJaeger | setuid: I prefer to discuss as much publically as possible... | 17:56 |
| asettle | Ah yes, AJaeger setuid was referring to an email I sent him earlier :) | 17:56 |
| setuid | Agreed, pour water in the harbor and all that | 17:56 |
| asettle | But yes, setuid once you have discussed your options with your team and know if you are able to help, get back to us on the ML if you can | 17:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | sebastian marcet proposed openstack/openstackdocstheme master: Update Site Search https://review.openstack.org/475845 | 18:08 |
| setuid | Just joined, going to read up on the last few months of posts to catch up | 18:09 |
| setuid | This just hit my lap this morning, so I've got some gerrit and ml to catch up on | 18:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | sebastian marcet proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Update Site Search https://review.openstack.org/475555 | 18:21 |
| setuid | hrm, if I'm on the master branch of openstack-manuals, should I be able to build the docs with maven? Because there's no pom files. | 18:22 |
| setuid | same with origin/stable/mitaka, etc. | 18:23 |
| AJaeger | setuid: we ditched maven a couple of releases ago - but one document after the other | 18:28 |
| AJaeger | So, if there's no pom file, don't use maven ;) | 18:28 |
| setuid | AJaeger: Hrm, the README specifically says to use maven to build the docs | 18:28 |
| AJaeger | setuid: the contributor guide expalins how to build | 18:28 |
| AJaeger | setuid: not the current version | 18:28 |
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