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| setuid | asettle: Thanks. I'm patching up the manuals so they build cleanly, against static versions (vs. pulled branches) | 13:17 |
| setuid | That might help ease $CLIENT in the short term, while we talk about whether we can come up with a workable strategy and scrape up some resources who might be able to help | 13:18 |
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| sfinucan | asettle, dhellmann: So I restructuring the nova docs last night and found that I really didn't like the 'cli' and 'config' sections... 🤷 | 13:31 |
| sfinucan | *started restructuring | 13:31 |
| sfinucan | I also have mixed feeling on one or two of the other sections, and think we can definitely simplify things | 13:31 |
| sfinucan | Anywho - lots of comments left for y'all ;) | 13:31 |
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| dhellmann | sfinucan : hey, I just replied on the spec | 13:43 |
| dhellmann | let me know if you want to chat here; I would like to resolve this so we can move ahead | 13:43 |
| asettle | setuid: that sounds great :) tahnk you | 13:43 |
| asettle | sfinucan: grazie grazie | 13:43 |
| asettle | Will review | 13:43 |
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| asettle | sfinucan: comment inline, hopefully that makes sense. | 13:56 |
| sfinucan | jinx | 13:57 |
| sfinucan | Ah, so it's a matter of "let's just get this done asap". Makes sense (and why I didn't want to bikeshed) :) | 13:58 |
| sfinucan | I was thinking "well, we're already breaking all the URLs. Might as well shuffle things around" | 13:58 |
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| asettle | sfinucan: yeah makes sense. I do genuinely agree with the points you make. I guess my major concerns is A: major disruption (but then as you say, why not do it all at once?!) is something I'd like to avoid. Plus, extra redirects | 14:00 |
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| sfinucan | aye, and it's unlikely that we'd be able to get all projects on board like this again. Seemed like a "now or never" kind of opportunity | 14:03 |
| asettle | sfinucan: hmm I don't think it's a now or never, but then again, I'm very much thinking in the mindset that the 'docs team' would do this, as that's how we'd work. | 14:04 |
| asettle | This now isn't the docs team taking charge, this is how the devs would read into it. | 14:04 |
| asettle | I guess I am concerned that so much disruption to our content will cause issues with our users and readers. But I don't want to bikeshed over this forever. We do have a sense of urgency here. | 14:04 |
| sfinucan | asettle: Yeah, I'm not sure how "we now need every project to spend time reshuffling thing around again" would pan out. My guess would be it wouldn't happen | 14:05 |
| asettle | Yeah ^ that. | 14:05 |
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| sfinucan | Doing it as part of the copy-paste process, on the other hand, would make two jobs into one ("all config-reference docs _except_ the autogenerated one now go into 'admin'. That one goes into 'reference'") | 14:09 |
| sfinucan | But yeah, I get the urgency. I can disagree and commit, heh | 14:10 |
| asettle | Hmmm let me think some more, and I'll get back to you if that's okay. I want to make sure we're going down the right path fully. | 14:11 |
| sfinucan | asettle: Sure thing :) | 14:12 |
| sfinucan | I'm in the same boat. We've one chance to do this right, so it's worth doing well, heh | 14:12 |
| * sfinucan goes to draft things in nova and see how it works out | 14:12 | |
| sfinucan | ...while listening to James Blunts' (James Blunt!) kick-ass new album | 14:13 |
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| ianychoi | AJaeger, hello! Can I discuss some project-config structure regarding docs, checkbuild, and publishdocs jobs if you have time? Or if you share some documents then I would like to read it to grasp more details. | 14:50 |
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| AJaeger | ianychoi: checkbuild is the draft pbulishing, publishdocs only publishes. See how we use them for openstack-manuals or security-guide | 14:55 |
| AJaeger | I meant: publishdocs publishes to docs.o.o | 14:55 |
| AJaeger | So, checkbuild goes into check/gate queue, publishbuild only in post queue | 14:56 |
| AJaeger | Note that they invoke different tox targets | 14:56 |
| ianychoi | AJaeger, aha I see, then "docs" build intends for general documentation builds by calling a sphinx build script in project-config? | 14:58 |
| ianychoi | AJaeger, now I am a little bit confused with two things: One is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/471242/ - amotoki's suggestion is to support to use docs local tox.ini build script with publishdocs | 15:00 |
| ianychoi | AJaeger, and the other thing is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/475845/ - I previously assigned checkbuild just for checking pdf but it would be nice if openstackdocstheme makes use openstack-doc-tools to both have index.html to link html and pdf for checkbuilds and remove docs build? | 15:01 |
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| AJaeger | ianychoi: in a call now, will try to check later. | 15:02 |
| ianychoi | AJaeger, I see thanks a lot :) | 15:02 |
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| amotoki | ianychoi: your understanding on my comment on using 'docs' target seems a bit incorrect. my point is just to avoid duplicate jobs since in your initial patch 'docs' and 'checkbuild' run exactly same things except copy the build to publish-docs dir. I did not see any value. | 15:03 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: on the other hand, AJaeger's point is valid to me. we are trying to test different things in check/gate and post. we need to cover what 'post' does in check/gate queues. | 15:04 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, then what is the purpose in line 5487 on patch set 6: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/471242/6/jenkins/jobs/projects.yaml ? | 15:05 |
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| ianychoi | I thought that with it, docs environment in tox.ini will be executed instead of a script in project-config for docs job | 15:06 |
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| amotoki | ianychoi: your understanding is correct. It assume https://review.openstack.org/#/c/471220/13/tox.ini (i18n repo) is merged. | 15:07 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: once it is merged, we will run the same build command in 'docs' and 'publishdocs' targets. | 15:07 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, and I have not seen the combination of docs + publishdocs - I previously saw just docs and [checkbuild+publishdocs]. | 15:07 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: i am okay with either name 'docs' or 'checkbuild', but they two are intended to do same thing in nature, so having both looks redundant to me. | 15:08 |
| asettle | sfinucan: sorry had meetings. | 15:09 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, I complete agree with you. I initially submitted to have three jobs: docs + checkbuild + publishdocs | 15:09 |
| asettle | Have you got a draft of how the nova stuff looks? I'd be interested in poking around | 15:09 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, now I am a little bit curious: when projects have just 'docs', or, ['checkbuild' + 'publishdocs'], or any other combination would be fine | 15:10 |
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| amotoki | ianychoi: hmm... I don't want to stick the combination of job names only because it is adopted in openstack-manuals or manual-related projects. | 15:12 |
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| amotoki | ianychoi: at least, 'checkbuild' only makes sense for docs project because other projects build other things as well. | 15:12 |
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| amotoki | ianychoi: what does 'checkbuld' actually build in non-docs project? | 15:13 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, haha Me also don't want to stick :) Just my initial understanding was that checkbuild in manuals built translated guides and I thought having checkbuild would be a way to support to build translated guides | 15:14 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: ah I see. | 15:15 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, but when I did further and further and translated guide support would be sufficient to have only publishdocs and my initial patch was somewhat messed | 15:16 |
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| amotoki | ianychoi: yeah, that is almost same. one point to be improved is that publishdocs build script is run only in 'post' job. we should detect failures eariler if any. that's the point of my version. | 15:17 |
| amotoki | s/almost same/almost true/ | 15:18 |
| -amotoki- is surprised why he used 'same' instead of 'true'.... | 15:18 | |
| ianychoi | amotoki, :) yep I got your point and agree with u! | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | asettle, sfinucan : I am less skeptical that we could get a "now let's reorg our docs" movement as a later phase, but if you want to do it in this one we just need someone to write down clear directions for deciding how to move what content to what directories. | 15:20 |
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| asettle | dhellmann: do you think we could leave it? I mean, I would be interested mostly to see what sfinucan is doing and trial it in practice before we commit it | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | asettle : I'm not sure what you mean by "leave it"? | 15:23 |
| asettle | Leave the spec as is for now | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | oh, yeah | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | that's what I'm saying: we could probably do some more work next cycle to merge the config guide and admin guide, if that's a thing we want to do | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | I thought we wanted them separate not because of where the content was managed but because sometimes people look specifically for how to configure and that's different from some of the other admin tasks | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | the taxonomy for all of this content can go a lot of different directions | 15:24 |
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| dhellmann | asettle, sfinucan : we left the release notes and api ref out of this phase, for example, so there's still going to be work to do | 15:29 |
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| asettle | dhellmann: that's true | 15:31 |
| asettle | We can have a 'phase two' | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | at least | 15:31 |
| sfinucan | dhellmann: I'm not so concerned about release notes or api ref though, and moving those likely won't breaks links | 15:31 |
| sfinucan | What I'm trying to avoid is codifying what might be a slightly "off" way of doing things | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | well, they will, since they will be published to completely different locations after the move | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | I'm trusting that the information architecture work that has already been done to decide to put config in its own guide is based on something other than conway's law. Maybe that's a bad assumption to be making. | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | I really don't know the right answer. Like I said, this could all go in lots of different directions. | 15:33 |
| sfinucan | Good point. I do consider those as separate things though :) | 15:35 |
| sfinucan | Conway's law - that's exactly what I should have said. I do think it's a combo of people and tooling differences | 15:36 |
| dhellmann | I also wanted to avoid specifying anything below those top level directories, since even specifying *those* got some pushback. So if we're going to have a landing page to let people find all of the configuration information for a project, the link needs to point to a top level directory, not something under the admin directory. That's just my own rule, though, so maybe we want to amend that. | 15:36 |
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| sfinucan | Hmm, maybe we could encourage folks to only include the auto-generated stuff in 'cli'/'configuration' | 15:37 |
| sfinucan | and put the actual usage in usage section | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | will readers make that distinction? | 15:39 |
| asettle | I think that'd be confusing | 15:39 |
| asettle | Sorry I'm half in, half out | 15:40 |
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| sfinucan | It's how we do it already, I think | 15:41 |
| sfinucan | I mean - here's the autogenerated stuff https://docs.openstack.org/newton/config-reference/compute/config-options.html | 15:41 |
| sfinucan | and then there's the rest of the guide | 15:41 |
| sfinucan | Docs like this [1], for example, are really usage docs in disguise [1] https://docs.openstack.org/newton/config-reference/compute/cells.html | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | sfinucan : some projects have a mix of hand-written content in the config guide: https://docs.openstack.org/ocata/config-reference/shared-file-systems/drivers.html | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | I really saw /user as end-user or consumer-of-cloud and not admin or deployer. | 15:44 |
| dhellmann | I agree the cells stuff could go in either /admin or /configuration | 15:44 |
| sfinucan | i.e. "How does one setup cells". If I want to do anything with nova itself, it's likely I'd need to configure stuff. However, the configuration steps are merely artifacts of doing said thing | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | maybe you're right, and /configuration should just be the auto-generated stuff | 15:45 |
| sfinucan | Yeah, maybe I just have too much of a nova hat on | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | from what I can tell, coverage in projects varies pretty widely | 15:45 |
| sfinucan | It should be much easier soon though | 15:45 |
| sfinucan | they can all use oslo.config's Sphinx extension | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | sure, for the reference stuff | 15:46 |
| dhellmann | there's still a need to write step-by-step guides like that cells page | 15:46 |
| sfinucan | true | 15:46 |
| dhellmann | I'm ok with saying we put that in /admin | 15:46 |
| sfinucan | but would any of those step-by-step guides fall under anything but "how do I administer my cloud"? | 15:46 |
| sfinucan | gotcha | 15:47 |
| dhellmann | let me rephrase: I'm ok with saying the /configuration section is only for auto-generated reference | 15:47 |
| dhellmann | the install and admin sections should have the step-by-step stuff | 15:47 |
| dhellmann | we can clarify that | 15:47 |
| sfinucan | yup, that would be a-ok by me | 15:47 |
| sfinucan | a big improvement, in fact | 15:48 |
| dhellmann | the reason for separating cli from user and reference is that there's a separate landing page that lists the command line reference guides | 15:48 |
| * sfinucan is really looking forward to being able to cross-reference config options in the admin guides | 15:48 | |
| dhellmann | so merging cli with user, while it makes sense, would make that page harder | 15:49 |
| * asettle thinks sfinucan looks forward to strange things | 15:49 | |
| sfinucan | :) | 15:49 |
| asettle | :p | 15:49 |
| asettle | Sorry, I'm catching up and reading back | 15:49 |
| sfinucan | dhellmann: Yeah, I'm also fine with keeping /cli | 15:49 |
| sfinucan | though again, I'd argue autogenerated stuff only (basically man pages) | 15:49 |
| dhellmann | that makes sense | 15:50 |
| sfinucan | The actual use of those applications would be incidental | 15:50 |
| dhellmann | that at least gives us clear directions for telling people how to move things around | 15:50 |
| sfinucan | You just happen need to use them to administer a cloud | 15:50 |
| sfinucan | Sweet | 15:50 |
| sfinucan | last one - user | 15:50 |
| * sfinucan reads back up for your comments on that one | 15:51 | |
| dhellmann | nova needs an admin guide and a guide explaining to someone who is not an admin how to use nova | 15:51 |
| dhellmann | where does that go? | 15:51 |
| asettle | *raises hand* in what scenario is someone trying to use nova that isn't an admin? (Genuinely, I don't know) | 15:52 |
| sfinucan | how would someone that isn't an admin use a cloud? | 15:52 |
| sfinucan | jinx :) | 15:52 |
| dhellmann | asettle : any API user | 15:52 |
| asettle | Snap | 15:52 |
| dhellmann | no, like LITERALLY 95% of our users are not admins | 15:52 |
| asettle | dhellmann: but that doesn't differentiate what is 'administration' on a product. | 15:52 |
| sfinucan | sorry - I mean use a cloud in any way except the API | 15:52 |
| dhellmann | what content is in the admin guide today? it's how to do things that a deployer can do but that a normal user cannot do, right? | 15:52 |
| asettle | You can be a administrator of a product, and you can perform administration. | 15:53 |
| asettle | dhellmann: actually I'd say those lines are a bit blurry | 15:53 |
| asettle | Based on my above statement | 15:53 |
| dhellmann | how do you decide whether something goes in the admin guide or the ops guide today? | 15:53 |
| asettle | The nature of the 'administration' guide was varied. | 15:53 |
| asettle | dhellmann: based off practical or theoretical application, mostly | 15:53 |
| asettle | Although, the debate of the closeness of the two guides is never ending | 15:53 |
| dhellmann | this section talks about config files: https://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide/identity-certificates-for-pki.html | 15:53 |
| asettle | That's why we had that session at the summit | 15:53 |
| dhellmann | that's not something an API user can deal with | 15:54 |
| asettle | And decided to get rid of the ops guide into a wiki | 15:54 |
| dhellmann | we have a problem with the term "admin" | 15:54 |
| asettle | No kidding | 15:54 |
| dhellmann | because to some people it's a verb and to some people it's a noun | 15:54 |
| dhellmann | and even then the scope varies | 15:54 |
| asettle | In fairness, I wasn't around when that scope was defined, so I could be massively assuming. But that's how it looks to me. | 15:54 |
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| dhellmann | I envisioned that section containing info you need to run the software, not use it. | 15:55 |
| asettle | I don't think, in this context, that there's anything wrong with a varied scope. Provided it targets a similar minded audience. | 15:55 |
| asettle | dhellmann: it's... both? Because then we even have the End User Guide | 15:55 |
| asettle | Which uh, also does both, more or less. | 15:55 |
| dhellmann | and I called it "admin" because that's where I said the stuff from https://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide/ should move | 15:55 |
| asettle | MOre user than running it, but yeah | 15:55 |
| sfinucan | I was guessing admin would contain anything that you needed to be in a datacenter to do | 15:55 |
| asettle | Which would made sense. | 15:56 |
| dhellmann | sfinucan : in spirit, if not in body, sure | 15:56 |
| sfinucan | and I figured the API and client docs would contain references to how I, end-user X, would talk to any given cloud | 15:56 |
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| sfinucan | However, thinking on it more, the API is a very rough tool | 15:56 |
| dhellmann | right. there's a lot of concept information that is not evident just from the api reference | 15:56 |
| sfinucan | and we'd probably still want some kind of guide that put things altogether | 15:57 |
| sfinucan | like "how do I boot a VM with a PCI device" | 15:57 |
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| sfinucan | yeah, hadn't thought of that | 15:57 |
| dhellmann | right, tutorials like that need a home | 15:57 |
| sfinucan | agreed | 15:57 |
| dhellmann | ok, so let me try to summarize | 15:57 |
| dhellmann | well, do we like contributor still? | 15:57 |
| dhellmann | or should that be internals? | 15:58 |
| asettle | I like contributor, mostly because it's consistent across the board. We talk about 'onboarding new contributors' not 'onboarding new internals' | 15:58 |
| asettle | The language there is important. | 15:58 |
| dhellmann | well, it would be "internals of this thing" | 15:58 |
| asettle | I don't think that improves clarity. | 15:58 |
| dhellmann | ok | 15:59 |
| dhellmann | so keep that as is | 15:59 |
| asettle | *slams gavel* | 15:59 |
| dhellmann | configuration changes to only include the auto-generated content, with any long-form content such as the cells thing in the admin or install guide (whichever makes sense for each page) | 15:59 |
| dhellmann | right? | 15:59 |
| asettle | Yep, I can agree with that one. | 15:59 |
| dhellmann | sfinucan has gone quiet | 15:59 |
| asettle | You scared him dhellmann :P | 16:00 |
| sfinucan | sorry - in three conversations at once :) | 16:00 |
| * dhellmann is as gentle as a kitten with tiny knife-like claws | 16:00 | |
| sfinucan | Fine with all the above so far | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | woot | 16:00 |
| asettle | dhellmann: yeah precisely :P | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | ok, cli is similarly restricted to auto-generated reference docs with tutorials and whatnot going into the user section | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | yes? | 16:00 |
| asettle | Yep, also agree | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | then we clarify admin to mean stuff answering the question "how do you run this software?" | 16:01 |
| sfinucan | yup | 16:01 |
| asettle | Yeah, fair enough | 16:01 |
| sfinucan | yup | 16:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstackdocstheme master: Update Site Search https://review.openstack.org/475845 | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | the user section stays for end user content, like tutorials. we expect it to link heavily to the cli section or api section, depending on whether the repo is a service or a client | 16:02 |
| asettle | Yep | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | what did we say about the reference section, is that name ok? | 16:02 |
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| asettle | Uhhh I think we agreed to keep it. | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | k | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | let me spin a new patch quickly | 16:03 |
| sfinucan | one last one, would s/usage/howto/ make more sense? | 16:04 |
| asettle | Veto 'usage' but I Could go with 'how to' that's pretty common terminology | 16:04 |
| asettle | But could be confused with things like 'tutorials 'etc | 16:04 |
| sfinucan | sorry - I meant s/users/howto/ | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | there is no usage | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | ok | 16:05 |
| asettle | Ah | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | users | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | hmm | 16:05 |
| sfinucan | it makes that section more specific | 16:05 |
| sfinucan | and stops it becoming a dumping ground | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | I guess we have a mix of "audience" and "content type" names | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | maybe we should be consistent about that | 16:05 |
| sfinucan | ah yes, don't want admins making a bee-line for usage | 16:06 |
| sfinucan | *howtos | 16:06 |
| sfinucan | dammit | 16:06 |
| sfinucan | OK, cool cool. Once the intent of the directory is clear in the spec I guess we're good | 16:06 |
| asettle | OKay. | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | so keeping user is ok? | 16:07 |
| sfinucan | yup, fine by me | 16:07 |
| asettle | I'm in favour provided, as sfinucan says, that the intent is clear | 16:07 |
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| dhellmann | asettle , sfinucan : can we wordsmith on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SmdLiZJl5t instead of a bunch of little revs of the spec? | 16:11 |
| sfinucan | (y) | 16:11 |
| asettle | dhellmann: can do. I'm about to scoot home to catch the train, but I"ll be able to review once I'm back | 16:11 |
| asettle | That okay? | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | asettle : sure | 16:11 |
| asettle | Grazie grazie | 16:12 |
| asettle | Okay | 16:12 |
| asettle | o/ | 16:12 |
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| sfinucan | dhellmann: Would a "how do I boot a VM with PCI device" go into nova or python-novaclient? | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | sfinucan : do you want to do it from the command line or from the api directly? | 16:19 |
| sfinucan | lets say both | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | if you're talking directly to the API, that would go in the nova docs. If you're using the command line that would either go in python-novaclient or python-openstackclient | 16:20 |
| sfinucan | actually, weren't we going to get rid of the direct API call docs? | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | "how do I use the tool in this repository to do X" | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | were we? | 16:20 |
| sfinucan | All the curl stuff, anyway | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | I don't know what's in the api-guides right now, because we said we'd move those later | 16:21 |
| sfinucan | Unless you mean using the client libraries in a scripting fashion | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | no, I meant curl | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | or whatever | 16:21 |
| sfinucan | yeah, I think that was mentioned at the summit | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | hand wavy instructions like "POST this JSON document to $url" | 16:21 |
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| dhellmann | https://developer.openstack.org/api-guide/compute/ will move to openstack/nova somewhere | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | I guess that's probably where it already is, isn't it | 16:22 |
| sfinucan | It is, yes | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | so that's probably nova's user/ stuff | 16:23 |
| sfinucan | I'm guessing a lot of it is, tbh | 16:23 |
| sfinucan | It's very hard to restrict yourself to one service for anything non-trivial | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I mean, when it moves into the unified build it would go under user/ and stay in nova | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 16:24 |
| sfinucan | booting a VM with an SR-IOV NIC needs at least nova and neutron, and likely others beside | 16:24 |
| sfinucan | so it probably doesn't make sense in python-novaclient | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | there's still room in the world for a "how to do something useful with openstack" guide, we just don't have a maintainer for it | 16:25 |
| sfinucan | True. Had the same issue with OVS, fwiw | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | that specific example could live in either nova or neutron, with a reference from the guide for the other project to help with finding | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | maybe that's the solution? the author picks, and we add hyperlinks | 16:26 |
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| dhellmann | I would guess a bunch of the stuff in the nova guide would include steps to talk to glance, cinder, etc. so I don't think that's a big deal. | 16:26 |
| sfinucan | I would suggest keeping 'user' in python-*client to the bare minimum "how do I execute/get help for this" docs | 16:27 |
| sfinucan | Yeah, nova will likely inherit a lot of the guides. Lucky us, heh | 16:27 |
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| sfinucan | nova and neutron (the networking guide is not small) | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | the networking guide is staying in openstack-manuals for now | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | oh, the spec still says it moves to neutron | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | asettle, what did we decide about the networking guide again? | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | I thought we changed our minds on that. We'll sort that out. | 16:28 |
| sfinucan | I brought all that up because I guess usage will be rather small for the clients | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | sfinucan : are you happy with the current text for these directories? | 16:29 |
| sfinucan | one last one | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | it might. it might also include docs for how to use the client libraries, not the cli | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | sfinucan : the user guide for clients needs to explain how to translate the API calls to CLI statements | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | so there may be a bunch of examples there, too | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | for example, I don't think we want a tutorial that shows how to use the openstack command line tool to do something to nova in nova's repo. | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | we would want a tutorial in nova's repo to use the API directly. | 16:32 |
| sfinucan | You sure? | 16:32 |
| sfinucan | I'd imagine most users are using the clients | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | that way as the API changes, the nova devs can update those docs and as OSC changes its devs can change its docs | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | I would too. We will certainly cross-link them. | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | but not all users are, and not all API users are using python. | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | we have a growing number of users talking to openstack from other languages | 16:33 |
| sfinucan | very true | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | the authors of gophercloud need docs, for example, and don't want to have to dig through cli code to translate examples that use the cli into API calls | 16:34 |
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| dhellmann | I keep coming back to describing this as "put the docs in the repo with the thing they are documenting" | 16:34 |
| sfinucan | Yup, but the line between what thing you're talking about is blurry | 16:35 |
| sfinucan | boot w/ SR-IOV for example | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 16:35 |
| sfinucan | We don't want 'boot a VM w/ SR-IOV' in nova, and 'boot a VM' in novaclient | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | I don't know, maybe we shouldn't be too specific about that and let people figure it out for themselves | 16:36 |
| sfinucan | Yeah, let's do that | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | I don't want to discourage someone from writing a bunch of how-to guides for the client libraries | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | shall I put this into the doc now? | 16:37 |
| sfinucan | I'm not looking forward to translating the likes of [1] to use REST calls instead of client calls though, heh [1] https://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide/compute-pci-passthrough.html | 16:38 |
| sfinucan | dhellmann: Sure, go for it | 16:38 |
| dhellmann | ok. I'll post this, and watch for asettle to review it when she's done with her commute | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | sfinucan : yeah, maybe that distinction I was trying to draw goes too far | 16:39 |
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| sfinucan | It's a tough line to draw | 16:41 |
| sfinucan | but we've got to start somewhere :) | 16:41 |
| sfinucan | dhellmann: I'll review that first thing in the morning, but I'm guessing it's all good now | 16:41 |
| sfinucan | Thanks for working through it :) | 16:42 |
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| dhellmann | sfinucan : great, thanks for working through the details, I know it's late in the day for you | 16:42 |
| sfinucan | ditto. Happy to help | 16:42 |
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| asettle | sfinucan and dhellmann - will look through a bit later | 17:32 |
| asettle | Just got home | 17:32 |
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| dhellmann | asettle : slacker | 17:42 |
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| asettle | I know, I know | 17:42 |
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| asettle | dhellmann: sitemap is generated by running scrapy | 19:03 |
| asettle | And that's a bloody pita | 19:03 |
| dhellmann | I can imagine | 19:04 |
| asettle | Also, comments inline on the etherpad | 19:06 |
| asettle | Yes, it's not fun. But that's how we do it. Usually our release liaisons handle that | 19:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: add a global project list file for main site templates https://review.openstack.org/476247 | 19:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: templatize the language-bindings page https://review.openstack.org/476248 | 19:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: templatize more of openstack-projects list https://review.openstack.org/476249 | 19:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: stop generating content if a template can't be parsed or rendered https://review.openstack.org/476250 | 19:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: add jsonschema validation to the start of the template rendering https://review.openstack.org/476251 | 19:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: move library data from openstack-projects.html to projects.yaml https://review.openstack.org/476252 | 19:34 |
| dhellmann | asettle : what do you think about using a periodic job to just build that file on the site? | 19:37 |
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| asettle | dhellmann: no qualms | 19:39 |
| dhellmann | asettle : I don't want to keep you online late. The question on line 6 confused me though | 19:40 |
| asettle | dhellmann: no problem, I'm online anyway :) let me check | 19:40 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: do you want to merge the changes above now? I do not see a reason to have them stacked together on top of the others | 19:41 |
| asettle | Ah, well, your explanation makes more sense. But then it definitely needs to be reworded. I read your explanation on lines 5/6 as something completely different. | 19:41 |
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| asettle | “however not all contributors are developers and "developer" can be interpreted as "contributor" and "user of this library”” | 19:41 |
| dhellmann | AJaeger : at this point I've sort of lost track of what depends on what else, so I figured I'd just keep making that chain longer | 19:41 |
| asettle | Doesn't really say to me "we are changing from dev to contrib for these reasons" | 19:41 |
| dhellmann | oh, and these do depend on the earlier patch to move some of those templates around | 19:41 |
| AJaeger | dhellmann: if you're happy with the chain, fine ;) | 19:41 |
| dhellmann | asettle : how's that? | 19:42 |
| dhellmann | AJaeger : yeah, thanks, though | 19:42 |
| asettle | dhellmann: I don't think I can explain how it doesn't make sense, it just doesn't say what you think it says to me :P | 19:42 |
| asettle | I think you might want to rephrase to something likeeeeee | 19:42 |
| dhellmann | asettle : that? | 19:42 |
| asettle | "For the context of this section, not all contributors are "developers". Contributors can refer to users, administrators, writers, operators... etc etc | 19:43 |
| dhellmann | you do realize the previous wording has been in there since the beginning? | 19:44 |
| dhellmann | I really think people understand what contributors are | 19:44 |
| asettle | Yeah, hahaha | 19:44 |
| asettle | I do. | 19:44 |
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| dhellmann | ok, I'll spin a new version of the spec with these changes | 19:45 |
| asettle | Yeah what you got there is good *thumbs up* | 19:45 |
| dhellmann | and then I'm done making changes to this :-) | 19:46 |
| dhellmann | it's either approvable, or we just delete all the docs! | 19:46 |
| dhellmann | :-) | 19:46 |
| asettle | I completely agree, considering you've done all the iterations | 19:46 |
| asettle | Thank you :) | 19:46 |
| asettle | Hahahahhaa | 19:46 |
| asettle | Did oyu write that in the spec?! :p | 19:46 |
| asettle | I appreciate that you kept "Do nothing, and watch the world burn." | 19:46 |
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| dhellmann | sometimes stark honesty is necessary | 19:48 |
| asettle | :p | 19:50 |
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