Monday, 2017-06-26

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asettleMorning o/09:02
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* smcginnis waves09:06
asettleHey pal :d09:06
asettleLD *09:06
asettleOh ffs09:06
asettleI give up09:06
asettleNo smiley for you09:06
smcginnisHah09:06
asettleMonday, amirtie?!09:09
asettleSigh09:09
smcginnisDon't worry, it just gets better from here. :)09:09
asettleThat's... ominous :P09:10
smcginnisOr it's all downhill from here? :D09:10
asettleDownhill I imagine. The coffee isn't quite kicking in as soon as I imagined and there's so much to dooooo09:11
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openstackgerritAlexandra Settle proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: group projects from the same team together in template data file  https://review.openstack.org/47724809:28
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asettledhellmann: so, when you come in, chason brought up a good point. I don't think we have a plan for the /doc/common dir09:54
asettlehttps://github.com/openstack/openstack-manuals/tree/master/doc/common09:54
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asettlesmcginnis: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/477489/10:57
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openstackgerritAlexandra Settle proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: remove additional resources from install-guide  https://review.openstack.org/47749111:00
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openstackgerritAlexandra Settle proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: remove additional resources from install-guide  https://review.openstack.org/47749112:28
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openstackgerritAlexandra Settle proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Creating new 'common' install file, 'verify deploy'  https://review.openstack.org/47751812:37
openstackgerritAlexandra Settle proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Creating new 'common' install file, 'verify deploy'  https://review.openstack.org/47751812:39
openstackgerritAlexandra Settle proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Creating new 'common' install file, 'verify deploy'  https://review.openstack.org/47751812:39
dhellmannasettle, chason : there's a mention of copying parts it into each tree, but I don't think we went into a lot of detail. what do you all think we should do?12:43
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asettledhellmann: been having a look this morning, I'll spend a bit more time looking at it this afternoon and get back to you12:44
asettleIt's a bit *everywhere* at the moment.12:44
dhellmannasettle : yeah. given the push-back on copying the glossary around, maybe we don't want that copied iter?12:44
dhellmann*either12:44
asettleThings like /common/conventions and /common/appendix can probably be deleted though.12:44
asettleYep. I don't think we should.12:44
* dhellmann has picked up asettle's monday-typos12:44
asettledhellmann: welcome!12:45
dhellmannare those sections useful for any of the other guides that are staying in place?12:45
dhellmanniirc, they were included in a couple of guides?12:45
asettledhellmann: that's what I'm going to investigate this afternoon :)12:45
dhellmannok12:45
asettleI don't want to duplicate too much info around12:45
dhellmann++12:46
dhellmannspeaking of deleting content, I'd like to schedule a time to land my series in openstack-manuals that starts with that patch12:46
asettleI moved the cinder stuff over this morning, got a bit of fiddling to do there12:46
asettledhellmann: yep I was going to mention that12:46
asettleI would like to start that ball rolling12:46
dhellmannhow long do you think we should wait?12:46
dhellmannprobably a few days at least, maybe a week?12:46
asettledhellmann: Hmmm for all the stuff to be moved?12:47
dhellmannyeah, I thought about that. I realized that we still have a lot of work to do within the docs team repo, and I don't want to put that off indefinitely.12:47
dhellmannso I was trying to balance giving everyone time to get their move started, with time for the docs team to do their work12:48
asettledhellmann: maybe we set a deadline on the docs repo stuff? Because the amount of internal work we're going to have to do is going to be fairly significant. We'll need time.12:48
dhellmanneven after the content is "deleted" it's still in the git history, so we can tell projects which SHA to check out to get it12:48
dhellmannright, that's what I'm thinking12:48
asettledhellmann: that's a good point, we're not losing it all regardless.12:48
asettleOkay, I'm with you. Let's give it ... a week?12:49
dhellmannso if we tell folks we're going to land that series on Thursday, say, then they have some motivation to get going?12:49
asettledhellmann: that works for me.12:49
dhellmanna week seems good. When do we start counting, today? :-)12:49
asettleYep, today.12:49
asettleAw, well12:49
asettleYeha12:49
asettleLet's go today12:49
dhellmannk12:49
dhellmannnow, speaking of keeping people filled in on what's going on, what do you think about doing a weekly status update?12:50
dhellmannwe could announce the projects that have completed the migration, for example12:50
asettledhellmann: yes, so, normally I'd do a bi-weekly newsletter after having our team meetings - I haven't been doing a newsletter simply because there's been a lot of disruption in general. I could use that space?12:50
asettleI'd be sending out one this Friday12:50
dhellmannwhich ML did that go to?12:51
asettledev and doc12:51
dhellmannok, that's good coverage12:51
dhellmanndo you think bi-weekly is often enough?12:51
asettledhellmann: let's test it, i'll send one out this week, and if there's *so* much info to cover the following week, I'll update. If it's quiet, I'll leave it.12:52
dhellmannwfm12:52
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asettleEasy as.12:52
dhellmannmaybe add the [ptl] tag to the subject12:52
asettleYes, previously it's just been general, haven't been using the tags to the full potential12:53
asettleBut I wasn't doing a full migration project previously :p12:53
dhellmannhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:doc-migration+is:merged shows a couple of projects starting the work12:53
dhellmann:-)12:53
asettleI did notice, was having a stalk around this mroning.12:53
asettleI started the cinder patch too: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/477489/12:53
asettleI just have to obviously fiddle around with that to make it uh... not just a dump12:53
dhellmannnice12:54
asettleAlso, this is a fail because I haven't done it properly, but I admittedly couldn't quite remember what we had planned: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/477518/12:54
asettlehttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/doc-migration-tracking (lines 555 onwards)12:54
asettleWere we going to create a common dir called "Verifying your deployment" and plonk the pre-install in there?12:54
asettleOr am I confusing things now?12:55
* dhellmann thinks back12:55
dhellmannwe did say we'd change the "install guide" to something else12:55
asettleI wasn't too sure, so I figured I'd put it up, and then fix the break when we decided12:55
asettleYes, we did12:55
dhellmannwe have the actual setup instructions for things like rabbit, too12:55
dhellmanndid we say we would split that stuff into 2 guides, or just have the one ?12:56
asettleI thought it was just one?12:56
dhellmannhow do you feel about making the verify stuff a chapter of the install-guide that's already building?12:57
asettleCause there's a bit of overlap.12:57
asettledhellmann: yeah that works for me. Your patch?12:57
dhellmannyeah, let me find a good one for you to rebase against12:57
dhellmannprobably https://review.openstack.org/#/c/475408/712:58
dhellmannasettle, annegentle: if we can land https://review.openstack.org/477008 that will make migrating to the new theme simpler13:02
asettle*clicky clicky*13:02
asettleMergy mergy13:02
asettlebrb - on meeting :)13:02
dhellmannack, my morning meetings are going to start soon, too13:03
asettledhellmann: enjoy±13:05
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AJaegerasettle, dhellmann,  we first need https://review.openstack.org/#/c/476997 in before 477008 can go in13:38
csatariWhat do I need to check to see if I'm compliat with this: "Update the theme for the in-tree docs to use the openstackdocstheme instead of oslosphinx."? from http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/docs-specs/specs/pike/os-manuals-migration.html13:41
AJaegercsatari: check your *requirements.txt files whether it includes openstackdocstheme and not oslosphinx13:43
AJaegercsatari: and then check doc/source/conf.py on correct settings for openstackdocstheme13:44
csataritest-requireemnts.txt contains both.13:44
openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstackdocstheme master: switch release notes build to use openstackdocs instead of oslosphinx  https://review.openstack.org/47700813:45
AJaegercsatari: then remove oslosphinx13:45
csatarirequirements.txt none of them .13:45
AJaegercsatari: having them in test-requirements is fine13:45
csatariconf.py:13:45
AJaegercsatari: which repo?13:45
csatarihttps://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/igPpH5Jl/13:46
csatarivitrage13:46
csatarihttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/477509/13:46
AJaegercsatari: so, that is oslosphinx in vitrage13:46
AJaegercsatari: with 477509 you do not need the vitrage install guide patch for project-config anymore - abandon it13:47
csatariThe whole thing?13:47
AJaegercsatari: You will build the install-guide as part of your docs job, so no need for a separate job.13:49
AJaegercsatari: I commented on 47750913:49
csatariOkay13:49
csatariThanks13:49
csatariBack to the openstackdocstheme topic a bit.13:50
csatariIf I add itto conf.py I will have an error about a missing plugin. This is solved by adding it to requirements.txt?13:51
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csatariNope.13:55
AJaegerIf it's in test-requiremetns, then it's enough. Let me check13:55
AJaegercsatari: show me a change where you get the error and I can look at it...13:55
AJaegercsatari: It should work, just reviewed - how can I reproduce?13:57
csatariAJaeger: pushing13:57
csatarihttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/477509/313:58
csataritox -e docs results in13:59
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csatariTheme error:13:59
csatarino theme named 'openstackdocstheme' found (missing theme.conf?)13:59
AJaegercsatari: see README.rst from openstackdocstheme.14:00
AJaegercsatari: change  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/476997 will simplify it14:00
AJaegercsatari: you miss the three lines from http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/openstackdocstheme/tree/README.rst#n4014:00
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AJaegerasettle, pkovar, dhellmann Let's merge 476997 and then release a new openstackdocstheme version - what do you think?14:03
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dhellmannAJaeger : ++14:31
dhellmannI'd love to get that done today14:31
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amotokiasettle: ping14:40
csatariAJaeger: I have http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/openstackdocstheme/tree/README.rst#n40 in my conf.py, but I'm still not happy :)14:54
asettleamotoki: hello helloooo :)14:57
asettleSorry, was off in a meeting14:57
asettledhellmann: merged14:58
dhellmannasettle : excellent. do I have your permission to release a new version of the theme when that lands?14:58
dhellmannI can take care of it later today14:58
asettledhellmann: yes please :)14:59
dhellmannasettle : great, thanks14:59
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstackdocstheme master: automate some of the extension setup  https://review.openstack.org/47699715:03
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstackdocstheme master: switch release notes build to use openstackdocs instead of oslosphinx  https://review.openstack.org/47700815:04
openstackgerritPetr Kovar proposed openstack/openstack-manuals stable/ocata: [config-reference] Fix list value description  https://review.openstack.org/47757115:07
asettledhellmann and AJaeger - 476997 is merged15:12
asettledhellmann: already on it :P15:13
dhellmannasettle : I have set up the release and just need to wait for the jobs to pass before approving15:13
* asettle clicks +1 :p15:13
dhellmannty15:13
dhellmannasettle : release incoming15:16
* asettle holds onto her chair15:16
dhellmannI will propose the requirements update to set the minimum version when the release is available15:17
csatariI hitnk my probelm is with the theme itself15:17
csatariIt always complains about the missing openstackdocs theme in openstackdocstheme and refers to ../site-packages/openstackdocstheme/theme15:19
dhellmanncsatari : this release should fix that bug15:19
csatariOokay15:19
csatariWhat do I do? Hold my chair with asettle and use the released version?15:20
asettlecsatari: absolutely15:20
asettleHold on15:20
asettleDon't let go until dhellmann tells us to15:20
csatariOkay :)15:20
csatariI will start to fix my 33 warnings until then.15:21
asettleHhahahaha that's a lot of warnings15:21
asettleOh dear15:21
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asettlepkovar: oh yes! Thank you. I had completely forgotten what we discussed in the spec, as we hadn't quite updated: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/doc-migration-tracking (see line 555)15:25
amotokiasettle: hi. during doc-migration patches and reviews, one question hits me. I wonder what title should be used for a subdirectory index.rst.15:26
asettleamotoki: within the install file?15:26
asettleinstall dir*15:27
amotokiasettle: title of index.rst of subdirs.15:27
amotokiasettle: yeah. like install/index.rst15:27
asettleamotoki: to be honest, we've always kept them as index.rst  - there is no reason to change that, imho.15:27
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asettleIt is still an index file of a separate doc. It's something we've always done in manuals15:27
amotokiasettle: on the other hand, it will be linked from the top-level index.rst as well.15:27
asettleWell, it'd be linked in the index.rst as install/index.rst15:28
asettleI don't think there's anything particularly confusing about that. But do you think it would be?15:28
asettleWe haven't had any problems in manuals before.15:28
amotokii think <subdir>/index will be linked directly from somewhere in docs.o.o.15:29
asettleamotoki: what do you mean?15:29
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amotokilet me like some example. assume we have user/index.rst and its title is 'OpenStack Dashboard User documentation'.15:30
amotokiit makes sense when it is a part of the single user guide.15:30
csatariAnyone have any hint how to draw boxes and lines type of diagrams?15:30
amotokibut it is tricky if user/index is linked from the horizon top-level index.rst.15:30
amotokiasettle: this is my point.15:30
amotokithe same thing will happen for neutron too.15:31
asettlecsatari: you can use draw.io15:32
asettleamotoki: hmmm15:32
amotokiin general, 'User documentation' look better for the title from the perspecitve of a project documentation. on the other hand, if it will linked directly from docs.o.o, 'OpenStack Dashboard User documentation' totally makes sense.15:32
amotokior 'OpenStack Dashboard' might be better as a title.15:32
amotokiI am in a dillemma.15:33
asettleamotoki: oh! I misunderstood you at first. I see what you mean.15:33
asettleI think keep it simple and descriptive. "OpenStack Dashboard User documentation" is perfect15:33
asettleMaybe even just "Dashboard User documentation"15:34
amotokiasettle: another way is to use "User documentation <user/index>" in the toctree of the top-level index.rst.15:34
asettleamotoki: how would that work, exactly?15:35
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amotokiasettle: for example, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/474794/2/doc/source/index.rst and http://docs-draft.openstack.org/94/474794/2/check/gate-horizon-docs-ubuntu-xenial/ad34e18//doc/build/html/15:37
amotokithe label is used in the toctree.15:37
asettleamotoki: I see! I admit, I didn't even know you could do that15:38
amotokiwithout a label, we will get http://docs-draft.openstack.org/94/474794/1/check/gate-horizon-docs-ubuntu-xenial/25dc634//doc/build/html/ for example. 'OpenStack Dashboard User Documentation' in "OpenStack Dashboard' toctree sounds odd to me.15:38
asettleamotoki: hmmm you're right, that is a bit odd15:38
asettleit looked better in my head15:39
amotokiwe actually solve this problem in a project side, but I think every project hits this problem. this is my reason I'd like to talk this with you.15:39
asettleamotoki: yes, that's fair enough, thank you for bringing it up15:39
asettleI think encouraging projects to use User Documentation <user/index> makes sense15:40
asettleBut I do not want to make every team do the same thing15:40
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amotokiyes, we need some consistency15:41
amotokisome guideline is needed. what I have at now is to use 'User Documentation <user/index>' (or similar things)15:42
amotokiasettle: it is not an easy thing and I am not wanting the answer for now. if it is better to be discussed in the ML, I can bring it up.15:45
asettleamotoki: absolutely, you are right. Consistency is key. I would appreciate you bringing that up on the ML :)15:46
amotokiasettle: sure. will write some mail tomorrow.15:48
asettleamotoki: thank you for bringing it up :) i'll let you know if I think of anything else15:49
asettleI think the <user/index> optino is best for now15:49
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dhellmannasettle, csatari : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/477596/15:50
openstackgerritAnne Gentle proposed openstack/openstackdocstheme master: Working on integrating options from oslosphinx theme  https://review.openstack.org/46802115:52
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openstackgerritAnne Gentle proposed openstack/openstackdocstheme master: Working on integrating options from oslosphinx theme  https://review.openstack.org/46802116:04
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openstackgerritAnne Gentle proposed openstack/openstackdocstheme master: Working on integrating options from oslosphinx theme  https://review.openstack.org/46802116:17
openstackgerritAnne Gentle proposed openstack/openstackdocstheme master: Working on integrating options from oslosphinx theme  https://review.openstack.org/46802116:23
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dhellmannannegentle : how much do you think you can split https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468021/ into separate patches? some of the changes seem quite small and easy to land (the link name in the nav) while others are going to need more review (the search stuff)16:25
annegentledhellmann was just thinking that myself16:26
annegentledhellmann shall I abandon and start smaller16:26
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dhellmannannegentle : if you make a series and give the first patch in the series the same commit-id you can just replace that existing patch16:27
annegentledhellmann I'm out Wed. and off next week, but should be able to get at least one small one done16:27
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dhellmannbut whatever is easier for you to do (sometimes splitting css changes is a nightmare)16:27
annegentledhellmann ok,that works. What should I do first, the link name in nav?16:27
annegentledhellmann that CSS is giving me fits16:27
dhellmannsure16:27
annegentledhellmann I sent out a lifeline16:27
dhellmannyeah, I wish I could help :/16:28
annegentledhellmann no worries16:28
dhellmannthat's part of why I was suggesting breaking it up though, so you can get some of the bits that do work out of the way16:28
dhellmannthat tox.ini change looks doable, too16:29
dhellmannand maybe the version stuff is another patch?16:29
annegentledhellmann yeah I need to study the version context more16:31
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openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: update contributor guide based on changes after migration project  https://review.openstack.org/47762418:18
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openstackgerritAnne Gentle proposed openstack/openstackdocstheme master: Working on integrating options from oslosphinx theme  https://review.openstack.org/46802118:47
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annegentledhellmann hm, I might not understand "in series" -- I pushed up tox.ini-only changes to https://review.openstack.org/468021. Then I thought I stay on that branch and do git checkout -b next-change18:59
annegentlebut that seemed to go from HEAD > new gitlog ID.19:00
annegentlehm19:00
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annegentledhellmann see if you see anything amiss in http://paste.openstack.org/show/613747/19:03
annegentledhellmann perhaps in series means with the same topic19:03
annegentledhellmann since these don't need to be dependent19:04
dhellmannI did mean in the same branch, but you're right they don't have to be19:04
openstackgerritAnne Gentle proposed openstack/openstackdocstheme master: Updates "Contents" to "Project home page" to better match existing  https://review.openstack.org/47763519:05
annegentledhellmann ok, but not dependent?19:06
openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Update requirements  https://review.openstack.org/47763619:06
dhellmannannegentle : I'm not sure what you mean. if you commit, then edit, then commit you'll have a series of 2 changes on the same branch with the second depending on the first. You could do that here. You don't need to, though, if the changes don't actually depend on each other.19:07
openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals master: Build tr_TR image guide  https://review.openstack.org/47711119:07
annegentledhellmann the paste above shows me doing what I think is that...19:07
* dhellmann looks19:07
annegentledhellmann but I think then the checkout -b was incorrect19:07
dhellmannyeah, you didn't need to create the new branch19:08
annegentleand you mean that there are multiple commits on the same branch, ok.19:08
annegentledhellmann meh, I'll do that when necessary19:08
annegentledhellmann for now, these do not depend on each other.19:08
annegentledhellmann ok19:08
dhellmannyeah, don't make it more complicated than you need to :-)19:08
annegentledhellmann thanks, thought I was crazy for a minute :)19:08
dhellmannif you don't want them on the same branch, check out master before making a new branch19:08
dhellmannannegentle : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468021/17 has replaced your other patch but only includes the tox.ini and .gitignore changes. Is that what you intended?19:09
annegentledhellmann yes19:09
dhellmannok19:10
annegentledhellmann I can go from there now that I see where dependencies may be warranted19:10
* dhellmann nods19:10
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openstackgerritAnne Gentle proposed openstack/openstackdocstheme master: Adds list of versions in the "Updated" bar  https://review.openstack.org/47763919:18
openstackgerritAnne Gentle proposed openstack/openstackdocstheme master: Adds list of versions in the "Updated" bar  https://review.openstack.org/47763919:25
openstackgerritAnne Gentle proposed openstack/openstackdocstheme master: Adds list of versions in the "Updated" bar  https://review.openstack.org/47763919:29
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openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Simplify conf.py for openstackdocstheme 1.11.0  https://review.openstack.org/47764619:30
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openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: add a link to the shared install guide  https://review.openstack.org/47765219:39
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openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Simplify conf.py for openstackdocstheme 1.11.0  https://review.openstack.org/47764620:29
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