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| openstackgerrit | Niall Bunting proposed openstack/glance-specs: Introduce a policy to govern the deletion of deactivated images https://review.openstack.org/301015 | 14:28 |
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| rosmaita | flaper87: did you see the response to your registry email from sam morrison? he's the guy i mentioned in the glance meeting yesterday | 15:00 |
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| nikhil | rosmaita: tsymanczyk : you guys want to sync on community images stuff in 1:55 hours from now? | 15:05 |
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| nikhil | (just realized timothy wanted to sync and we were not available yday) | 15:05 |
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| tsymanczyk | 10am pst? yeah sure. | 15:07 |
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| hemanthm | nikhil: I +2d this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301015/ | 15:13 |
| hemanthm | not merging this yet since you said you want to review as well | 15:13 |
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| nikhil | hemanthm: ty | 15:33 |
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| tsymanczyk | hello? sorry. connectivity :/ | 17:07 |
| tsymanczyk | who would believe i work at a big company in the middle of silicon valley. | 17:07 |
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| nikhil | tsymanczyk: :) | 17:12 |
| nikhil | tsymanczyk: rosmaita: ping | 17:15 |
| nikhil | Community images time | 17:15 |
| tsymanczyk | awesome. | 17:16 |
| nikhil | I think we need to have this sync fridays, as rest of the days there's going to be other stuff | 17:16 |
| nikhil | hope that's okay? | 17:16 |
| tsymanczyk | if that's what is best it works for me. usually at this hour i have a meeting that happened to be cancelled today. 1600 utc fridays would be something i could reliably do? | 17:18 |
| nikhil | tsymanczyk: that works | 17:18 |
| nikhil | tsymanczyk: I see a ton of questions on the spec | 17:19 |
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| nikhil | tsymanczyk: did you want to sync anything specific today? | 17:20 |
| nikhil | tbh, I did not get a chance to look at those yet | 17:20 |
| tsymanczyk | my biggest concern is that i'm "missing" something that you or brian assume i know about. | 17:20 |
| tsymanczyk | right now to the best of my understanding, the task is to advance the spec. | 17:20 |
| tsymanczyk | if there's anything else i should be doing, i'm happy to tackle it if you'd kindly piont it out. | 17:21 |
| nikhil | tsymanczyk: I see, let me go through it real quick and may be we will be on the same page. | 17:22 |
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| nikhil | tsymanczyk: on the first question: visibility shared vs. private when members are added | 17:29 |
| nikhil | tsymanczyk: I think we are overlaping two different problems here | 17:29 |
| nikhil | tsymanczyk: why would we want to share an image which does not have a visibility shared? (I guess we need rosmaita for this ) | 17:30 |
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| nikhil | tsymanczyk: also, it seems like a very bad idea to have a switch that can be turned off for shared images that makes them private keeping the members. a private image must remain private!? the definition here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271019/17/specs/newton/approved/glance/community_visibility.rst@97 states that | 17:31 |
| nikhil | tsymanczyk: so, I guess we need to come to an understanding of the visibility definitions and then go forward | 17:32 |
| tsymanczyk | nikhil : in that case i think we need to revisit the wiki and transitions section. right now it's specified that any transition TO private should retain the member list, althogh the member list will have no effect. | 17:33 |
| tsymanczyk | the table in the spec was copied straight from here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Glance-v2-community-image-visibility-design | 17:34 |
| nikhil | tsymanczyk: good point! I mostly assumed we were only back referencing it for historical reasons, I did not consider it to be a source of proposal too. (Will pay attn) | 17:38 |
| nikhil | tsymanczyk: but that does fundamentally break the private clause as per the definition. so we need to update the wiki | 17:39 |
| nikhil | #action rosmaita: to comment on the spec to determine what the expected behavior of private image is. | 17:39 |
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| tsymanczyk | this connectivity is so frustrating. | 17:44 |
| tsymanczyk | if there's anything after my last question i don't have it. | 17:44 |
| nikhil | tsymanczyk: ah np: will paste here | 17:45 |
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| tsymanczyk | nikhil : what was the name fo that irc service you were trying out? | 17:46 |
| nikhil | tsymanczyk: you have chosen a good time to ask ;) it's called irccloud.com | 17:46 |
| nikhil | tsymanczyk: I like their mobile apps particularly but the wrapper on mac is decent enough | 17:47 |
| nikhil | tsymanczyk: good point! I mostly assumed we were only back referencing it for historical reasons, I did not consider it to be a source of proposal too. (Will pay attn) | 17:47 |
| nikhil | tsymanczyk: but that does fundamentally break the private clause as per the definition. so we need to update the wiki | 17:47 |
| nikhil | #action rosmaita: to comment on the spec to determine what the expected behavior of private image is. | 17:47 |
| nikhil | (the above 3 lines are repeat) | 17:47 |
| tsymanczyk | perfect, thank you. | 17:48 |
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| nikhil | tsymanczyk: usually, you can go read up on http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-glance/%23openstack-glance.2016-05-13.log.html | 17:48 |
| nikhil | tsymanczyk: logs are mostly real time with sometimes hick ups! | 17:48 |
| tsymanczyk | oh perfect. | 17:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/glance: Clarify language used in glanceapi future section https://review.openstack.org/314785 | 17:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/glance: Correct some misspelt words in glance https://review.openstack.org/314851 | 17:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/glance: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/314351 | 18:01 |
| nikhil | tsymancz1k: in all the confusion, we missed this question (I typed it but you went offline so I took it back): | 18:02 |
| nikhil | tsymancz1k: can you please clarify: | 18:02 |
| nikhil | "If we can expect most users to qualify the show-all by specifying an owner, then we may be able to open up communitize_images to owners without unreasonably exposing users to spammed images." | 18:02 |
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| nikhil | what is the meaning of specifying an owner? | 18:03 |
| tsymanczyk | by specifying an owner, i meant "show me all community images owned by BOB". if that's the nominal expected usage, then i wouldn't have much hesitation as to opening up "communitize_images" to owners by default. as compared to just "show me ALL community images" -- if THAT is the nominal expected usage, then as you pointed out originally we really need to be | 18:05 |
| tsymanczyk | concerned about the level of spam. | 18:05 |
| tsymanczyk | if a specific owner is a spammer, then either 1) stop looking at their list, or 2) accept that they are a spammer and look anyways. | 18:06 |
| nikhil | umm .. | 18:06 |
| nikhil | (please continue) | 18:06 |
| nikhil | (I will ask hard question afterward) | 18:07 |
| tsymanczyk | not sure there is more to say? | 18:07 |
| tsymanczyk | i mean in general, i still find the operation "show me ALL community images" to be of questionable value. on a large enough cloud with active enough users, even without spammers the list will not be useful. | 18:09 |
| tsymanczyk | but i can easily see wanting to see all of INTEL'S images, for example. | 18:09 |
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| nikhil | tsymancz1k: hmm, so do we want to assume how community images will be exposes | 18:15 |
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| nikhil | exposed* | 18:15 |
| nikhil | tsymancz1k: do we want to think that the dashboard would be a right place for it? | 18:16 |
| tsymanczyk | i think we have to assume at least a few things? the reason that i chose to propose that communitize_images is admin-only by default is because (as you pointed out) it has tremendous opportunity for abuse by a bad actor. but brian also raised the good point that (at least part of) the original intention of community images was for it to be a self-service | 18:18 |
| tsymanczyk | kind of thing. | 18:18 |
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| tsymanczyk | so, from where i can see, the way to find the right balance between freedom and abuse-protection is by assuming or predicting how "most" people will want to use it. | 18:19 |
| tsymanczyk | if everyone wants to see ALL the images, then i think we need to lock it down. | 18:19 |
| tsymanczyk | if not, then i think we can be free to let people be stupid. | 18:19 |
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| tsymanczyk | but with that said, i'm leaning towards the freedom option. because even without spammers, with a big enough cloud with enough users, that "show me ALL the images" result list is eventually going to grow too large to be useful. | 18:22 |
| * nikhil thinking | 18:22 | |
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| tsymanczyk | just for reference here is the horizon spec for supporting glance community images https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/glance-community-images | 18:28 |
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| tsymanczyk | it seems to propose only displaying accepted images through horizon | 18:29 |
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| nikhil | looking | 18:31 |
| tsymanczyk | conveniently the gentleman in charge of that is a coworker and a good guy, so working with him to ensure we share a vision going forward will be easy. | 18:32 |
| nikhil | tsymanczyk: yes, that;s a good point | 18:35 |
| nikhil | tsymanczyk: I meant for freedom balance with restriction | 18:35 |
| nikhil | just not sure how we want to do that though | 18:38 |
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| tsymanczyk | what is the worst case scenario if we go to the extreme of freedom? | 18:42 |
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| tsymanczyk | people add and communitize harmful images up to their quota. | 18:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/glance: Give helpful error in tests if strace is missing https://review.openstack.org/306073 | 18:43 |
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| nikhil | tsymanczyk: yeah, almost feels we will end up having harmful images and operators either need to pick and choose | 18:44 |
| nikhil | tsymanczyk: I do not think we have a way in our policy where we can "blacklist" spammer | 18:45 |
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| nikhil | tsymanczyk: the or option is revoking access for a tenant to share that image -- a improbable operation per say | 18:45 |
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| nikhil | tsymanczyk: my thought was: | 18:46 |
| nikhil | i) community image experience will be rather bad if not done via the portal/dashboard | 18:46 |
| nikhil | ii) we will have pagination support so that people (portal) can browse through | 18:47 |
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| nikhil | iii) almost feels like we need a rating mechanism that will improve the "relevance" experience (like best-sellers or best reviewed) | 18:47 |
| nikhil | iv) we would need a review option (but currently only have to rely on the image properties) | 18:47 |
| nikhil | Making it admin only by default looses the purpose of communizing though. | 18:48 |
| nikhil | but the ramifications are probably bad (in some cases) but if that happens I think operators will just switch off this feature | 18:49 |
| tsymanczyk | i'm assuming that if a bad actor ever gets identified, that an admin will delete their images and perhaps ban the account? | 18:49 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/glance: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/314351 | 18:51 |
| tsymanczyk | but i'm still wondering if the worst case is "really so bad"? so we have a spammer with 100 malware images that are all community. the two ways for them to get out are somebody finding them via "list all" and running it. or the spammer targeting a person and sending them the uuid. the latter can already happen via sharing. but under what circumstace would a | 18:52 |
| tsymanczyk | person ever just run an image they found by listing all of the community images? like what motivation would cause a person do even consider this a good option? it's like going out of your way to run a random unknown email attachment. | 18:52 |
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| tsymanczyk | a far more likely use case (to me) seems to be that i happen to know that you publish good whatever-distro images, so i would have no qualms about browsing YOUR images or just spinning them up. in which case it wouldn't matter what other users/spammers communitize. i'll never see them. | 18:55 |
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| nikhil | tsymanczyk: those are some good points. | 19:00 |
| nikhil | on "i'm assuming that if a bad actor ever gets identified, that an admin will delete their images and perhaps ban the account?" -> :) (oh yes) | 19:03 |
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| nikhil | tsymanczyk: I think we are leaning towards freedom option then? | 19:03 |
| tsymanczyk | i think that's my position at least, yes. | 19:04 |
| nikhil | tsymanczyk: perfect, then let me link this conversation on the spec and the 3 of us can converge there. | 19:06 |
| tsymanczyk | perfect. | 19:06 |
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| tsymanczyk | shall i update the spec to reflect this, or would it be better to wait until brian has a chance to chime in? | 19:08 |
| nikhil | tsymanczyk: I think we can wait, I think we still need to vet more on this idea. | 19:09 |
| tsymanczyk | ok | 19:10 |
| nikhil | tsymanczyk: btw, not sure about your plans. glance does recommend people to work on code even before spec is approved (to speed things up) but upto you. we only have spec freezes the code freeze is newton-3 | 19:10 |
| * nikhil still working on the documentation for the process | 19:11 | |
| tsymanczyk | sounds good to me. even with some details up in the air, there should be plenty to write right now. | 19:12 |
| tsymanczyk | thank you for explicitly stating that. | 19:12 |
| nikhil | tsymanczyk: :) | 19:15 |
| nikhil | tsymanczyk: comments posted https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271019/ | 19:19 |
| nikhil | tsymanczyk: please feel free to ping me whenever there're more questions or discussion items. There is a tiny possibility that I will not get to the spec on will before our next friday sync at 1600UTC. | 19:21 |
| nikhil | at will* | 19:21 |
| tsymanczyk | i will. sounds good, thanks! | 19:21 |
| nikhil | (may be on will is correct) :) | 19:21 |
| nikhil | cool | 19:22 |
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| flaper87 | rosmaita: I did and I just replied | 19:50 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: I'm honestly failing to see how the registry helps with rolling upgrades | 19:50 |
| flaper87 | but that might just be me | 19:50 |
| nikhil | flaper87: I replied with a microscopic feedback from summit | 19:57 |
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| flaper87 | nikhil: danke, will read (and likely reply) soon :P | 20:04 |
| nikhil | flaper87: yeah, I may be done for the week in an hour. too tired :/ | 20:05 |
| nikhil | and you're welcome | 20:05 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: no worries, I just want to get the convo doing and provide more context for others to reply | 20:06 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: wish you an awesome weekend and lots of rest | 20:06 |
| nikhil | flaper87: thanks :) looking to see if I can get tickets to 3d jungle book movie :D | 20:07 |
| nikhil | oh the cpt. america released too | 20:09 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: curious to know your thoughts about jungle book. I haven't seen it but I'm a bit skeptical | 20:10 |
| flaper87 | if you think it's worth it, I might give it a go | 20:10 |
| flaper87 | I just found out DJ Tiesto is playing tonight here | 20:11 |
| * flaper87 is trying to get tickets to that concert | 20:11 | |
| rosmaita | flaper87: where are you these days? | 20:11 |
| nikhil | oh wow | 20:11 |
| rosmaita | nikhil: didn't realize jungle book was 3d ... i have been living in a cave | 20:12 |
| nikhil | someone's been AWOL | 20:12 |
| nikhil | :) | 20:12 |
| flaper87 | rosmaita: Panamá City | 20:12 |
| nikhil | flaper87: wat!!!! | 20:12 |
| flaper87 | :P | 20:12 |
| nikhil | awesome! | 20:12 |
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| flaper87 | yeah, had to run away from MIA... It dried my credit card | 20:13 |
| flaper87 | Although, I don't think my credit cards are any safer here | 20:13 |
| flaper87 | :P | 20:13 |
| nikhil | :D | 20:13 |
| flaper87 | Except for the fact I literally have nothing else to buy after MIA | 20:13 |
| nikhil | you've been living ont he edge (from the looks of it) | 20:13 |
| nikhil | rosmaita: flaper87: I heard they pushed back the jungle book 2 by one year just to get the expressions right from all the animals | 20:14 |
| nikhil | so curious to see how is the first part | 20:15 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: yeah, pretty much my entire life, TBH... | 20:15 |
| flaper87 | this is me settling down, basically | 20:15 |
| flaper87 | :P | 20:15 |
| nikhil | flaper87: LD | 20:15 |
| nikhil | :D | 20:15 |
| nikhil | Living Dangerously (in a good way) | 20:15 |
| flaper87 | yeah, same here (re jungle book) | 20:15 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: do let me know your thoughts | 20:16 |
| flaper87 | a tweet would be lovely so I can make plans for the weekend | 20:16 |
| nikhil | flaper87: oh I see. you mean after I see it? | 20:16 |
| nikhil | gotcha | 20:16 |
| nikhil | will do | 20:16 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: before and after works | 20:16 |
| flaper87 | but if you go in there and it's pure crap, I want to know | 20:16 |
| flaper87 | :P | 20:16 |
| flaper87 | like: "STAY AWAY FROM THIS DANGEROUS CRAP" | 20:16 |
| flaper87 | or "TOTALLY WORHT IT" | 20:16 |
| flaper87 | or "MEH" | 20:17 |
| flaper87 | anything that doesn't spoil the movie | 20:17 |
| flaper87 | :P | 20:17 |
| nikhil | flaper87: :) in that case, you prolly don't want to rely on my review. I watch a movie once every 6months. I am going to like it no matter how it is :D | 20:17 |
| flaper87 | LOOOOOL | 20:18 |
| flaper87 | that's fun | 20:18 |
| flaper87 | the "i'm going to like it no matter how it is" part | 20:18 |
| flaper87 | :P | 20:18 |
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| * flaper87 rofl | 20:18 | |
| flaper87 | still laughing | 20:18 |
| nikhil | flaper87: spend a few months away from something and you start missing/liking it . it's really rofl when you don't experience it first hand | 20:19 |
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| nikhil | I'm adding icing to the cake | 20:19 |
| nikhil | I realize that | 20:19 |
| nikhil | rosmaita: the 3d version is gone | 20:21 |
| nikhil | rosmaita: captain america has released so, I am assuming they want to make the most out of all the 3d screens | 20:22 |
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| rosmaita | nikhil: bummer | 20:22 |
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| nikhil | idnk if I want to see cpt. america this time, I hear they have spiderman there | 20:23 |
| nikhil | flaper87: I know now that you did not read my priorities and processes email | 20:24 |
| nikhil | re: the reviewers section | 20:24 |
| nikhil | I am working on something that will enforce it (and not remove it) | 20:24 |
| flaper87 | nikhil: I'm actually replying to it now and adding that link in my reply | 20:24 |
| flaper87 | :P | 20:24 |
| flaper87 | just ignore it, enjoy your weekend and we'll talk again on monday. I don't want to ruin your weekend | 20:25 |
| nikhil | cool | 20:26 |
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| flaper87 | nikhil: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270980/ <- your last comment here will take me ages to read | 20:36 |
| flaper87 | :P | 20:36 |
| nikhil | flaper87: :) (that's been a reason for a few emails this week) | 20:37 |
| flaper87 | hahaha, gotcha. I'll have to go through that patch slowly | 20:38 |
| flaper87 | I was pointed to it yday but I haven't read it | 20:38 |
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| nikhil | gotcha | 20:55 |
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