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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/glance-specs: Glare API https://review.openstack.org/283136 | 03:19 |
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| abhishekk | jokke_: hi you around? | 11:26 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: kind of | 11:43 |
| abhishekk | jokke_: no issues we will discuss during meeting | 11:44 |
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| jokke_ | ok | 11:57 |
| jokke_ | just finishing my lunch here so shoot if you have something | 11:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kairat Kushaev proposed openstack/glance: [WIP] [Glare] Fix blob validation in Glare https://review.openstack.org/342151 | 12:38 |
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| abhishekk | jokke_: just replied to your comment on patch, https://review.openstack.org/316052 | 13:51 |
| abhishekk | jokke_: please suggest | 13:51 |
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| jokke_ | will have a look | 13:54 |
| nikhil | Courtesy meeting reminder: ativelkov, cpallares, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishek, bunting, dshakhray, wxy, dhellmann, kairat | 13:56 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: I know I'm gonna be really rebel against the consensus here, but how about we take the first list request-id and use that for all the following pages. That way we actually return the req ID that provided the output | 13:57 |
| abhishekk | jokke_: yes this will be ok IMO | 13:58 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: and bu using it I don't mean we just return it, but we send it with the page request as req-id | 13:59 |
| jokke_ | so all the requests will be logged with that req-id on the server end as well | 14:00 |
| abhishekk | jokke_: ohh got it | 14:00 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: because the req-id middleware in glance actually supports that ;) | 14:00 |
| abhishekk | jokke_: I will check the physibility of it and will update on the patch | 14:01 |
| jokke_ | cool! | 14:01 |
| abhishekk | jokke_: thank you, I will ping you once done | 14:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Gábor Antal proposed openstack/glance: Correct exception catching in metadef_namespaces.py https://review.openstack.org/342189 | 14:03 |
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| bhagyashri | rosmaita: Hi, I have added comment on bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1585917 , please let me know your opinion when you get time, thank you. | 14:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1585917 in Glance "member-create will raise 500 error if member-id is greater than 255 characters" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Abhishek Kekane (abhishek-kekane) | 14:21 |
| rosmaita | bhagyashri: was just looking at that, thank you | 14:22 |
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| gabor_antal | Hey! Anyone has some free time now? | 14:34 |
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| abhishekk | gabor_antal: every one is attending weekly meeting on #openstack-meeting-4 | 14:37 |
| abhishekk | gabor_antal: ^^^ now | 14:38 |
| gabor_antal | Oh yeah, thanks. Maybe after the meeting you can check my code, or so. | 14:39 |
| gabor_antal | abhishekk, not a big thing. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342189/ | 14:39 |
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| abhishekk | sure | 14:39 |
| gabor_antal | As I think this is a bug, but maybe not, so please someone confirm me. | 14:39 |
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| kairat | gabor_antal, I think you can also log some info about exception | 14:55 |
| kairat | otherwise, it would be hard to analyze in logs | 14:56 |
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| gabor_antal | Before now, maybe never happened this as it would result in nameerror | 14:58 |
| kairat | abhishekk, Does openstackclient provide request-id correctly | 15:00 |
| kairat | just interesting | 15:00 |
| abhishekk | nikhil: I will update it asap | 15:00 |
| kairat | correctly for glance requests | 15:00 |
| abhishekk | kairat: I am working on it | 15:00 |
| kairat | So it does not | 15:01 |
| jokke_ | kairat: iiuc it still uses glanceclient so I'd assume not | 15:01 |
| abhishekk | kairat: yes | 15:01 |
| kairat | abhishekk, jokke_ ok, thanks | 15:01 |
| abhishekk | also, long term plan is to use openstacksdk, so I am also working on openstacksdk as well | 15:01 |
| kairat | \me hopes openstacksdk won't do that | 15:01 |
| kairat | abhishekk, cool | 15:01 |
| jokke_ | kairat: not sure if you read the comments on that change, but we can't just dump thousands of req ID from image list ;) | 15:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Gábor Antal proposed openstack/glance: Fix NameError in metadef_namespaces.py https://review.openstack.org/342189 | 15:02 |
| abhishekk | right now I am ready with compute in openstacksdk | 15:02 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: so how compute does it with paginated lists? | 15:03 |
| kairat | rosmaita, have some time to discuss conceptual diff in glance/glare arc? | 15:03 |
| abhishekk | jokke_: same apprach as of now | 15:03 |
| abhishekk | *approach | 15:03 |
| kairat | jokke_, yep, I didn't read them, so will look later | 15:03 |
| rosmaita | kairat: in 2 meetings right now, mabye in an hour? | 15:03 |
| kairat | rosmaita, ok | 15:04 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: Do they have more sane page size or will they get thousands of req IDs if they have tens of thousands compute nodes for example that they list? | 15:04 |
| jokke_ | and how in earth someone approved that :P | 15:04 |
| jokke_ | if so | 15:04 |
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| abhishekk | jokke_: I need to check but I guess same as glance patch it is implemented in nova | 15:05 |
| kairat | I am not sure they do pagination in the way glance does | 15:05 |
| kairat | glance v2 particulary | 15:05 |
| abhishekk | jokke_: i will confirm soon | 15:05 |
| abhishekk | brb | 15:06 |
| jokke_ | kairat: I was thinking that as well ... or no-one really did not think of the consquences | 15:07 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: thnx ;) | 15:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kairat Kushaev proposed openstack/glance: [WIP][Glare] Rename config options for artifact types https://review.openstack.org/342232 | 15:32 |
| kairat | mfedosin, ^ interesting in your feedback before updating current patches | 15:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mike Fedosin proposed openstack/glance: [WIP] Add schemas for artifacts https://review.openstack.org/334404 | 15:40 |
| mfedosin | kairat: ^ I updated schema generation | 15:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dharini Chandrasekar proposed openstack/glance: Improving help text for glare loader opts. https://review.openstack.org/342254 | 15:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Itisha Dewan proposed openstack/glance_store: Improve help text of http driver opts https://review.openstack.org/341553 | 16:28 |
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| nikhil | hemanthm: any news on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313974/ ? | 16:54 |
| hemanthm | nikhil: we have the necessary change merged into oslo.config | 16:57 |
| nikhil | hemanthm: and it's released too I sup? then what would be our next steps? | 16:58 |
| hemanthm | I'll work on getting rid of the configs from the repo | 16:58 |
| hemanthm | nikhil: ^ that. To publish our sample configs to docs and get rid of them from the code tree. | 16:58 |
| hemanthm | then they'll be generated on everypatchset with the docs | 16:59 |
| nikhil | hemanthm: gotcha, I will continue to work on the config refresh stuff until your change is ready. just wanted to confirm. | 16:59 |
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| hemanthm | nikhil: yep, we'd have to refresh the configs manually for n-2 | 17:00 |
| hemanthm | dharinic ^ that's another work item for us | 17:00 |
| nikhil | hemanthm: n-2 is out, now this is for n-3 until things are ready | 17:01 |
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| hemanthm | nikhil: ack | 17:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Itisha Dewan proposed openstack/glance_store: Improve the help text for vmware datastore driver opts https://review.openstack.org/342286 | 17:03 |
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| dharinic | hemanthm: yes. | 17:05 |
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| kairat_ | rosmaita, around? | 17:14 |
| rosmaita | yep | 17:14 |
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| kairat_ | So could you please clarify your point | 17:14 |
| kairat_ | about conceptual diff | 17:15 |
| rosmaita | sure | 17:15 |
| rosmaita | i had been thinking of artifacts as just "images-plus" | 17:15 |
| rosmaita | basically, just like images but with a different payload | 17:15 |
| rosmaita | but, artifacts have gotten much more complicated | 17:16 |
| kairat_ | It depends what you mean images | 17:16 |
| kairat_ | images like catalog items | 17:16 |
| rosmaita | well, i'm not so sure | 17:16 |
| rosmaita | it's both record + data | 17:16 |
| kairat_ | or some bytes that can boot vi | 17:17 |
| rosmaita | sure | 17:17 |
| kairat_ | where they seems more complicated for you? | 17:18 |
| kairat_ | do they seem*, sorry for grammar | 17:18 |
| rosmaita | well, multiple payloads, versioning, plugin controls for different types | 17:18 |
| rosmaita | i'm not saying it's bad | 17:18 |
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| kairat_ | Can I share my vision of all that to you? | 17:19 |
| rosmaita | i think artifacts are going the direction they need to in order to address the use cases of the app catalog and heat and murano, etc | 17:19 |
| kairat_ | it is only my personal opinion that I realized today | 17:19 |
| rosmaita | yes, please do ... i jsut have a suspicion, not a good argument for the divergence | 17:19 |
| rosmaita | so i'm really interested in what you are thinking | 17:19 |
| kairat_ | for me, glance is not so successful because it is trying to satisfy 2 goals | 17:20 |
| kairat_ | be a catalog of some immutable data + metadata | 17:20 |
| kairat_ | be an image service | 17:20 |
| kairat_ | that's why we often have a lot of additional features | 17:21 |
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| kairat_ | not directly related to images | 17:21 |
| kairat_ | so glare goal is to extend the first goal | 17:21 |
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| kairat_ | be a catalog of immutable data in Openstack (not only Glance) | 17:22 |
| kairat_ | It requires some additional features because Glance as a catalog is too specialized | 17:22 |
| kairat_ | so it simply cannot serve as a catalog (or repository) for different project | 17:23 |
| kairat_ | So in that sense Glare conceptually is the same as Glance IMO | 17:23 |
| kairat_ | except some features that useful catalog required | 17:24 |
| kairat_ | for example, versioning | 17:24 |
| kairat_ | I have heard from ops complaints about glance public images | 17:24 |
| rosmaita | what kind of complaints? | 17:25 |
| kairat_ | each time they publish new version of image they have to ensure that latest version is used for launching | 17:25 |
| rosmaita | gotcha | 17:25 |
| kairat_ | So to me it is consequences of not clear mission of our service | 17:26 |
| kairat_ | I mean Glance | 17:26 |
| kairat_ | we are Image specific service and catalog for bytes at the same time | 17:26 |
| kairat_ | first requires image specific features (like convert images) | 17:27 |
| kairat_ | second (versioning, not hard-coded data structure and so on) | 17:27 |
| kairat_ | but | 17:27 |
| kairat_ | Glate is still storage for immutable data | 17:27 |
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| rosmaita | did you mean Glance or Glare there? | 17:28 |
| kairat_ | Glare | 17:28 |
| rosmaita | ok | 17:28 |
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| kairat_ | I am not sure what will be in future | 17:29 |
| kairat_ | but today I just thinking | 17:29 |
| kairat_ | what if glance concentrate on image features in far far future and let glare do all immutability and versioning staff for him | 17:30 |
| rosmaita | that's sort of what i was thinking too | 17:31 |
| rosmaita | glare can track the images without actually storing them | 17:31 |
| rosmaita | so it really could be an independent service | 17:31 |
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| rosmaita | and if it *could be* independent, maybe it *should be* | 17:32 |
| kairat_ | That's my personal opinion | 17:33 |
| kairat_ | but I think it is too early for that | 17:33 |
| kairat_ | unless Glance is serving as catalog | 17:33 |
| kairat_ | for me, we have an intersection here | 17:33 |
| kairat_ | because image is an artifact, we just did a lot of customization for that | 17:34 |
| kairat_ | but this is my personal opinion=) | 17:35 |
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| kairat_ | BTW, we improved several flaws we had in Glance | 17:36 |
| kairat_ | maybe you can get feedback about that | 17:36 |
| rosmaita | yes, and we should probably incorporate the improvements into glance | 17:36 |
| kairat_ | for example, for external urls we are calculating checksum and potentially can doi signing | 17:37 |
| kairat_ | yep, this also would very good | 17:37 |
| rosmaita | i need to go back and look at nikhil and mike's comments on the glare api spec | 17:38 |
| rosmaita | when i was reading them this morning, it just struck me that things were headed in different directions | 17:38 |
| rosmaita | but i can't recall right now what gave me that impression | 17:38 |
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| kairat_ | ok, thanks for discussion | 17:39 |
| rosmaita | thank you | 17:39 |
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| nikhil | rosmaita: I share all the same opinions with kairat_ on what flaws exists in glance today and that's why I have inclined myself towards a generic catalog of artifacts. but thinking of something in a snapshot of time is rather too convenient for open source model where the adoption and stable usage of API is very important. basically like th LTS versions of | 17:53 |
| nikhil | ubuntu except that we need to support for 10 years not 2. | 17:53 |
| nikhil | the fundamental problem is that all the glare development has happened in a non-community based model where only a subset of use cases have been considered for development of design and architecture. | 17:54 |
| nikhil | so the pace at which glare team is developing and expecting reviews on features is nontrivial from a community standpoint. the evolution process is much slower than the expectations and communication. this is where the real divergence shows up. | 17:55 |
| kairat_ | nikhil, we have a spec where me and Mike described all use cases | 17:55 |
| kairat_ | and we would like to follow the spec in code | 17:55 |
| nikhil | kairat_: you described your use cases but haven't taken the time to get feedback from other companies/glancers on whether they think there are more use cases or not, whether they think those use cases are complete or not, what are the tradeoffs, what are the potential blockers in the future, etc. | 17:56 |
| nikhil | like I said, development is being done based on snapshot in time, which is corporate model. community model is collaborative, inclusive and involves establishing right tradeoffs. | 17:57 |
| nikhil | I have taken only a few rather obvious things as a part of comment to describe how glare will soon start diverging from glance. | 17:57 |
| nikhil | to tell you the truth, I can chat whole day on what's wrong. | 17:58 |
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| kairat_ | nikhil, sorry I am kind of disagree here | 17:59 |
| kairat_ | because we submitted a spec 4 month ago | 17:59 |
| nikhil | you are welcome to disagree | 17:59 |
| nikhil | truth is independent of opinions which reveals in time | 17:59 |
| kairat_ | yep | 17:59 |
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| nikhil | submitting a spec and collaborating on an idea are very different things | 18:00 |
| nikhil | that's exactly the point I am making | 18:00 |
| nikhil | you cannot expect to submit a piece of text in the community and oblidge people from other teams and companies to review it | 18:00 |
| nikhil | people don't work for glance, people work with glancers | 18:01 |
| nikhil | it's the shift in the mindset that needs to happen | 18:01 |
| kairat_ | Sorry, I think we pushed people to review spec almost each meeting, don't we? | 18:01 |
| kairat_ | I mean glancers | 18:01 |
| nikhil | developing code and waiting for reviews isn't what openstack is about. | 18:01 |
| nikhil | heh, if that's the approach you want to take, you are welcome to try and see for yourself. | 18:02 |
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| nikhil | I can share some of the glare meetings where people have sent me furious chat messages after. | 18:02 |
| kairat_ | so why they can't contact with others about that? | 18:03 |
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| kairat_ | Ok, sorry, need to go | 18:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/glance_store: Add bandit to pep8 and bandit testenv https://review.openstack.org/310803 | 19:00 |
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| Daviey | Hi, On Newton with a Glance rbd backend.. When taking a snapshot i keep seeing 403's in a response to PATCH. Is this a bug or a config issue? | 21:09 |
| Daviey | Nova is handling the PATCH response of 403 here, https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Daviey/7677319ac7486bc4880b477fdbbbaf74/raw/a8dc5ce5ec9c4e2fdc74c8e3bccb9972390551a6/snapshot%2520error | 21:09 |
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| nikhil | jokke_: flaper87 kairat : any clue why ^ ? or do we need to ask Daviey to reach out to the maint for rbd store? | 21:26 |
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| cfriesen | in a devstack environment the glance metadata catalog gets filled in with some default values...who/what would normally do that in a production environment? | 22:40 |
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