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| pleia2 | Daisy: mind joining #openstack-infra ? | 01:20 |
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| Daisy | ok. | 01:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Daisy: hi, I got those string freeze guidlines written up | 08:50 |
| Daisy | Hi, johnthetubaguy | 08:50 |
| Daisy | Great. When are they ? | 08:50 |
| Daisy | Where is it ? | 08:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, so talking in the cross project meeting | 08:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | turns out the wiki got changed in an odd way in 2014 | 08:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I half reverted that, and we get this: | 08:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StringFreeze | 08:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | does that look OK? | 08:51 |
| Daisy | reading it | 08:51 |
| Daisy | It looks great. I'm deep thinking about some details. Give me a little more time. | 08:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | Daisy: no problem | 08:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | Daisy: I have posted a more detailed version for Nova here, but I found some old wording that simplified it, hence the other page: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Liberty_Release_Schedule#String_Freeze | 08:55 |
| Daisy | johnthetubaguy: I'm thinking about the OK actions and NOT OK actions after soft freeze. Under what situation, you will add new log message strings ? | 08:59 |
| Daisy | According to the first wiki page you mentioned, Adding strings are allowed after soft freeze, changing strings are not allowed. I want to understand, from a developer perspective, after string freeze, you will only work on bug fixing ? | 09:04 |
| Daisy | "Changing a user-visible API error message is not allowed. Changing existing log messages is not allowed unless you really need to do." Does it mean bad log messages are more serious than bad API error message ? | 09:07 |
| Daisy | I don't know if it is able to describe the OK actions and NOT OK actions from a perspective of importance, other than simply "Adding is OK, changing is not OK". It's just my first feeling. | 09:11 |
| Daisy | In my mind, bad strings/missing strings which will hurt OpenStack functions should be allowed to change or add. | 09:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Daisy: ah, sorry, I missed you, will send an email | 09:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Daisy: hi, sorry, didn't noticed your mention above | 09:29 |
| Daisy | It's ok. | 09:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | Daisy: we are just doing bug fixes, so I think I get what you mean | 09:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | the API bit, is just that we don't want to change the API, its more a feature freeze thing I guess | 09:30 |
| Daisy | johnthetubaguy: I read two wiki pages. I like them very much. It helps me to clear my mind. | 09:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, happy to help the discussion here | 09:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | So I updated this a little: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StringFreeze | 09:30 |
| Daisy | I don't understand this: should stop the need to rework bug fixes to remove useful log messages | 09:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | so currently we add a TODO in the code to change a log message after string freeze | 09:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | its currently debug, but should be error, for example | 09:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | then once Mitaka opens we have to go and find those and change them back | 09:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | which is a pain | 09:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | and kinda hurts the users too | 09:32 |
| Daisy | So there is no such pain now ? | 09:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | so thats what currently happens | 09:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | because the old wiki page baiscally said, No new strings and no change to existing strings | 09:33 |
| Daisy | So if we use the late strict freeze, there will be no such pain in the future ? | 09:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, it should avoid all that | 09:33 |
| Daisy | nice. | 09:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | certainly avoids 99% of the pain | 09:33 |
| Daisy | johnthetubaguy: let's try it in Liberty. | 09:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | (user pain and developer pain!) | 09:33 |
| Daisy | What's your email ? | 09:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | john at johngarbutt.com | 09:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | I will email your list | 09:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | one sec | 09:34 |
| Daisy | ok. Do you want to be the I18n liasion for Nova project ? | 09:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | Who is currently down for that? | 09:34 |
| Daisy | I need your close work while we starts that. | 09:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | (i really should know that... looks) | 09:34 |
| Daisy | I think nobody. | 09:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, so then its me I guess, oops | 09:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | using the fallback to PTL thing | 09:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | certainly reach out to me if we start to seen any problems | 09:36 |
| Daisy | Are you the nova PTL now ? Sorry, I didn't notice. | 09:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, no worries | 09:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | I like to be more of a joint worker bee kind of a leader | 09:36 |
| Daisy | OK. We could review the release issues after Liberty translation in Tokyo summit. | 09:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | that sounds good | 09:37 |
| Daisy | Thank you very much ! | 09:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | no worries, happy to move things forward :) | 09:37 |
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| Nikolay_St | hey | 11:45 |
| Nikolay_St | is anybody here? | 11:45 |
| Nikolay_St | I still have question about translation tools and pep3101 | 11:47 |
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