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| ianychoi | amotoki, good morning! | 02:29 |
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| amotoki | ianychoi: hi | 02:29 |
| ianychoi | :) I have a question on release model & translation | 02:29 |
| ianychoi | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/i18n/release_management.html => This works so well IMO for Horizon | 02:29 |
| ianychoi | However, some Horizon plugin projects listed in https://translate.openstack.org/version-group/view/ocata-dashboard-translation do not still have stable/ocata branch | 02:30 |
| ianychoi | Recently, I have found that some projects follow cycle-with-intermediary release model and the teams said that they do not follow Soft & Hard Stringfreezes (FYI: https://releases.openstack.org/reference/release_models.html#cycle-with-intermediary ) | 02:31 |
| ianychoi | Then.. might we as I18n team needs to consider translation plan with horizon & horizon plugin projects which follow "cycle-with-milestones" models? | 02:32 |
| amotoki | I am looking for definitions of release models | 02:36 |
| amotoki | I thought it is found on governance.openstack.org, but .... | 02:36 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, aha might it be http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/releases/tree/deliverables/ocata/murano-dashboard.yaml ? | 02:36 |
| ianychoi | Release models are defined in: https://releases.openstack.org/reference/release_models.html | 02:36 |
| amotoki | ah... I wasn't aware that it was moved to releases.openstack.org | 02:37 |
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| ianychoi | amotoki, actually me too. I have heard it from another project team.... | 02:38 |
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| amotoki | I think projects with cycle-with-intermidiary model will have stable branches too | 02:39 |
| amotoki | but AFAIK we haven't discussed string freezes on release models other than cycle-with-milestones. | 02:40 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, yep and the project teams said that they usually create stable branches around R-1: https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 02:40 |
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| amotoki | so my idea is just to do similarly as we do for cycle-with-milestones | 02:41 |
| amotoki | perhaps projects with cycle-with-milestones and cycle-trailing models have this problem. | 02:42 |
| amotoki | we can translate these projects with best efforts. If a project team honors translations, they can decide release timing taking into account translations | 02:43 |
| amotoki | it depends on project teams and it is one of the roles of i18n liaisons I think. | 02:44 |
| ianychoi | One of possible idea I think is to create two groups: "Dashboard translation for Pike releases" & "Dashboard translation (master)" | 02:46 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, frankly speaking, I cannot find the advantages of considering translations using stable version in Zanata with stable branches for cycle-with-intermediary and cycle-trailing models. | 02:48 |
| ianychoi | I mean that tracking translation bugs might be useful but if the projects do not have the period for Soft & Hard StringFreezes, then IMO it would be nice for I18n team to take care of translations just for master branch for upstream translation contribution. | 02:50 |
| amotoki | I have to go. will response later | 02:51 |
| ianychoi | Then, would I need to say that "Soft & Hard StringFreezes" are needed for cycle-with-intermediary and cycle-trailing models to release management team? | 02:51 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, yep have a good lunch! | 02:51 |
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| amotoki | From translator perspective, if such projects have stable branches, how can we fix translations in stable branches? | 03:35 |
| amotoki | I think having string freeze and having stable versions in Zanata are different thing. | 03:35 |
| amotoki | stable branches tend to have less changes after releases, so I wonder it have merits of having stable versions. | 03:36 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, yep I mean no more advantages than translation bug fix for stable versions | 03:37 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: ah. i see | 03:38 |
| ianychoi | Then defining "Soft & Hard StringFreezes" for cycle-with-intermediary and cycle-trailing models would be useful? | 03:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | melissaml proposed openstack/i18n master: Use https instead of http for git.openstack.org https://review.openstack.org/430657 | 08:59 |
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| ianychoi | jpich, hi! By the way, would you become i18n & tripleo liaison? | 12:37 |
| ianychoi | I would like to also ask for johnsom for i18n & Octavia liaison. | 12:38 |
| jpich | ianychoi: Sure! What do I need to do to be a good liaison? :) | 12:38 |
| ianychoi | More information on i18n liaison is: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#I18n | 12:38 |
| jpich | Perfect, haha | 12:38 |
| ianychoi | Wow thanks a lot, jpich! Then I think I need to talk with your team PTL? | 12:39 |
| jpich | ianychoi: I am not actually core on the tripleo-ui though... only on other tripleo projects (which are not i18n) | 12:39 |
| jpich | I can annoy tripleo-ui cores to merge translations patches quickly though, I know them well :) | 12:39 |
| ianychoi | jpich, haha IMO your current role really deserves i18n-tripleo liaison! | 12:40 |
| jpich | ianychoi: If you're happy with that, then so am I :) | 12:40 |
| ianychoi | The criteria for i18n cross project liaison was made about one year ago so I do not remember all the things | 12:41 |
| ianychoi | But I think it would be fine if me will discuss with tripleo team PTL | 12:41 |
| jpich | ianychoi: Ok! TripleO PTL is EmilienM, his tz is Eastern Canada though he often logs in early | 12:42 |
| ianychoi | Aha I see :) Please just ping me if you find his online status in #tripleo channel | 12:44 |
| ianychoi | It seems that he is AFK now | 12:44 |
| ianychoi | (gray color for his nickname) | 12:44 |
| jpich | ianychoi: Indeed. He usually says "hello" when he comes online, I will let you know | 12:44 |
| ianychoi | jpich, thanks :) | 12:44 |
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| jpich | ianychoi: Looks like he's online :) | 13:20 |
| jpich | Also I was thinking even if I'm not an official core on tripleo-ui I still have +2 so I can help translations move forward if needed anyway | 13:21 |
| jpich | ianychoi: \o/ | 13:34 |
| ianychoi | jpich, FYI: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/I18nTeamMeeting#Next_meeting_:_UTC_0700.2C_Feb_9 | 13:35 |
| jpich | ianychoi: Thanks! I've set my alarm clock :) | 13:36 |
| ianychoi | jpich, and congrats for becoming tripleo-ui core! | 13:36 |
| jpich | partial-core :P TripleO is a bit special :) | 13:37 |
| jpich | Thank you!! | 13:37 |
| ianychoi | It's my pleasure! | 13:37 |
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| jftalta | ianychoi: still awake ?... | 15:11 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, yep | 15:11 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, hi! | 15:11 |
| jftalta | Hi ! | 15:11 |
| ianychoi | :) What's up? | 15:11 |
| jftalta | A simple question : on Zanata, which branch must the translators use ? stable-ocata or master ? | 15:12 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, yep simple but difficult.. actually I am getting a little bit headache because of that | 15:13 |
| jftalta | One of them just asked me this question and I've got a doubt... | 15:13 |
| jftalta | Ok,I understand :( | 15:13 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, now I can tell that the versions listed in https://translate.openstack.org/version-group/view/ocata-dashboard-translation are the target to be translated & reviewed | 15:13 |
| ianychoi | Last weekend, I created stable versions but at that time three projects did not have stable branches | 15:14 |
| ianychoi | Two project teams said that they would create stable branches on Monday (yesterday) and one project created the stable branch | 15:15 |
| jftalta | My question was about Horizon. So the right branch to use is stable-ocata. | 15:15 |
| ianychoi | Another project said that they would find out the plan but I have not received further response | 15:15 |
| ianychoi | This is current status.. and yep for Horizon stable-ocata should be the target now! | 15:16 |
| ianychoi | adiantum, if you are online and able to follow my conversation now, it would be great | 15:16 |
| robcresswell | ianychoi: Yeah, I approved a stable/ocata translation patch a moment ago :) | 15:16 |
| ianychoi | robcresswell, wow for horizon? Thanks a lot! | 15:17 |
| robcresswell | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430936/ Yup. Thought it mainly seems to have just deleted release note translations :/ | 15:18 |
| ianychoi | robcresswell, I am trying to follow how horizon & plugin projects are interacting each other and just note that magnum-ui does not have stable/ocata branch (i.e., no RC1 nor RC2) - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429753 but it is rather minor point | 15:19 |
| ianychoi | Aha I see :) | 15:19 |
| jftalta | ianychoi: thanks for answering, it's clear now :) | 15:20 |
| ianychoi | About 14 hours ago, I talked with adiren - Magnum PTL and he said that he would create stable/ocata branch soon | 15:21 |
| ianychoi | I think he will react after he is awake :) | 15:21 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, it's my pleasure. Will you come to tomorrow IRC meeting? | 15:22 |
| ianychoi | robcresswell, oh he is online now :) | 15:22 |
| jftalta | Yes I will. And I'll be riding the train like every morning ;) | 15:23 |
| ianychoi | Thanks a lot. I would like to more discuss on this thing tomorrow | 15:24 |
| jftalta | Yep. It's a real issue. | 15:26 |
| jftalta | See you tomorrow on irc | 15:27 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, yep have a good afternoon & evening! | 15:28 |
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| jftalta | ianychoi, thanks. Have a good night ! | 15:29 |
| ianychoi | :) | 15:30 |
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| johnsom | ianychoi I will bring up the liaison at our weekly meeting today. | 16:25 |
| ianychoi | johnsom, thanks! I think your role will make better & nice communication between Octavia with I18n issues | 16:27 |
| ianychoi | johnsom, by the way, the description in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#I18n is just for release-with-milestone models. I will discuss more with i18n members | 16:28 |
| johnsom | Yeah. As we previously discussed, I will be moving at least our dashboard to milestones. Maybe the main octavia project as well | 16:29 |
| ianychoi | Yep :) +1 | 16:29 |
| rsimai | Hi ianychoi | 16:31 |
| ianychoi | rsimai, hi! | 16:31 |
| rsimai | have a quick question, need another brain ... | 16:31 |
| rsimai | we've just released the German translations for the Install Guides for Mitaka | 16:32 |
| ianychoi | Haha yep let's use both your and my brain :) | 16:32 |
| ianychoi | Yep which is sehr gut! | 16:32 |
| rsimai | but: the Mitaka file is not 100%. Newton and Master are 100%. Did we do this wrongly? | 16:32 |
| rsimai | or is there something wrong in my thinking? :-) | 16:33 |
| ianychoi | Let me check on translate.o.o.. | 16:33 |
| ianychoi | rsimai, yep your right! | 16:34 |
| rsimai | then we messed it up :-( | 16:34 |
| ianychoi | But IMO it is not fully messed it up | 16:35 |
| rsimai | yeah, but we really should complete Mitaka and publich Newton | 16:35 |
| rsimai | ... if Newton is ready. Do you know if it is? | 16:36 |
| ianychoi | My concern now is that some translators do translations on newer branches rather than older branches. | 16:36 |
| ianychoi | But... merge functionality is currently valid for all the languages in one project.. as far as i know | 16:37 |
| ianychoi | So it is difficult to backport translated strings from Newton & master to Mitaka | 16:37 |
| ianychoi | for German | 16:37 |
| ianychoi | http://docs.openstack.org/newton/de/install-guide-obs/ | 16:37 |
| ianychoi | I have just seen that it is published! | 16:38 |
| rsimai | it's magic :-) | 16:38 |
| ianychoi | Haha but not full magic.. it can be possible I think. | 16:39 |
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| ianychoi | For example, some countries might get more attention of translation activities just from six months ago | 16:39 |
| rsimai | but very nice. I'll have a look at the Mitaka file the next days and see if I can complete it. Also I'll make another change to the http://docs.openstack.org/de/ page | 16:40 |
| rsimai | to include Newton | 16:40 |
| rsimai | fine with that? | 16:40 |
| ianychoi | rsimai, great! Frankly speaking, it is hard for me to judge whether newer translated documents is good to be include or not | 16:41 |
| ianychoi | since some language coordinators might think that the document translation quality is not good | 16:41 |
| ianychoi | If you are fine with publishing, I would like to fully support your direction | 16:42 |
| ianychoi | By the way, it seems that German landing page uses the old theme: see the diff. http://docs.openstack.org/de/ & http://docs.openstack.org/fr/ | 16:43 |
| ianychoi | About one month ago, I collaborated with jftalta to apply theme on French landing page after the discussion on IRC meeting. | 16:44 |
| rsimai | yes, noticed the difference. I'll try to address that too so we get the More Releases button | 16:44 |
| ianychoi | Do you also want to apply a new theme to German landing page? | 16:44 |
| ianychoi | I don't know German too much (but I know: ein, zwei, drei, ...) but I can help you like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/420102/ or you can propose a patch similar to that patch | 16:45 |
| rsimai | looks good to me | 16:45 |
| rsimai | but: again, time for me to sign off. I'll work on that the next days. Will eventually ping you :-) | 16:46 |
| ianychoi | rsimai, I see. Have a good dinner! | 16:46 |
| rsimai | thanks! and thanks for your support | 16:46 |
| ianychoi | It's my great pleasure :) | 16:46 |
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