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| suh | hello | 13:53 |
| zzxwill | Hi suh | 13:53 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, hello! I am about to go to the 1st floor in the hotel to take coffee. maybe I will be online again 5 mins later! | 13:54 |
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| zzxwill | Hi ianychoi | 13:54 |
| eumel8 | yeah, good morning, Atlanta :-) | 13:54 |
| zzxwill | Take your time~ | 13:54 |
| suh | Hi zzxwill, I am in Jakarta | 13:54 |
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| eumel8 | Hi suh | 13:56 |
| zzxwill | Hi suh, I am in Beijing. | 13:56 |
| zzxwill | Hi eumel8 | 13:56 |
| eumel8 | Hi zzxwill, something news about session votes? | 13:56 |
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| zzxwill | Now our presentations are on the desks of Track Chairs for their review. | 13:58 |
| eumel8 | ok | 13:58 |
| eumel8 | then we wait :) | 13:58 |
| zzxwill | Yeap and the final result will be out on Mar. 2. | 14:00 |
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| ianychoi | Hello all! | 14:00 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, zzxwill, suh HI:) | 14:01 |
| eumel8 | welcome back | 14:01 |
| suh | ok | 14:01 |
| eumel8 | Hi ianychoi, how is it there? | 14:01 |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, great :) | 14:02 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, I have just met OpenStackAnsible PTL & cloudnull | 14:02 |
| ianychoi | They will be happy to discuss with translation checksite | 14:02 |
| eumel8 | sounds good | 14:03 |
| zzxwill | Good news! | 14:03 |
| eumel8 | I feel some progress ;) | 14:03 |
| ianychoi | :) | 14:03 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, zzxwill, suh : please see https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/i18n-ptg-pike-topics | 14:03 |
| ianychoi | This is what I18n is on discussion during PTG | 14:03 |
| ianychoi | I arrived here on 23:30 Sunday... and | 14:04 |
| ianychoi | after then I meet katomo every breakfast time | 14:04 |
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| ianychoi | and I discuss a lot with katomo :) | 14:04 |
| zzxwill | In a same hotel? | 14:04 |
| jftalta | Hi | 14:04 |
| eumel8 | hahaha | 14:05 |
| zzxwill | Hi jftalta | 14:05 |
| ianychoi | Also, I see frequently amotoki - he is very busy with horizon and neutron but he is very happy to help i18n things and he comes to Docs+I18n session a lot | 14:05 |
| eumel8 | hi jftalta | 14:05 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, hi! | 14:05 |
| ianychoi | zzxwill, yep all are in the same hotel :) | 14:05 |
| jftalta | happy to hear from you :) | 14:05 |
| ianychoi | It would be much nice if all will be able to come to PTG - but... yes, I agree that coming here for all I18n contributors is so difficult for geographical reasons | 14:06 |
| ianychoi | + most people contribute translation during non-business time | 14:06 |
| jftalta | next one maybe | 14:07 |
| eumel8 | from cost perspective easier then Boston... | 14:07 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, yep it will be so great :) | 14:07 |
| jftalta | do you know where will the next PTG stand ? | 14:08 |
| ianychoi | I also met several Foundation members - Lauren, ttx, and so on and they mentioned some a kind of positive answers for I18n activities | 14:08 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, the date has not been finalized but currently AFAIK 1st or 2nd week of Sep are being in consideration | 14:08 |
| suh | this + make us happy | 14:08 |
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| jftalta | and what about the location ? | 14:09 |
| ianychoi | (I have seen somewhere - maybe dev mailing list) | 14:09 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, US or Canada (personal opinion)? I have not seen such information for location | 14:09 |
| eumel8 | btw: are ATC codes already sent out for Boston? | 14:09 |
| jftalta | ok. So wait and see | 14:09 |
| ianychoi | And thank you all to come here. It is the 1st time to participate in PTG so I originally decided to cancel today IRC meeting, but I have found that it was not a good idea | 14:10 |
| jftalta | ;) | 14:10 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, possibily? For this thing, we would like to discuss some more things | 14:10 |
| zzxwill | No ATC for Boston Summit. | 14:10 |
| jftalta | ianychoi: it's great that you met Lauren, ttx and other foundation people | 14:11 |
| eumel8 | jbryce mentioned 2 weeks ago, the next locations will be outside US due the travel issues | 14:12 |
| ianychoi | ATCs will not get free coupons. However, IMO top I18n contributors (or at least current online people - you all are active translators) will be able to get Summit codes | 14:12 |
| ianychoi | However, we need to define some a kind of criteria | 14:12 |
| ianychoi | e.g.) > 1000 words? Language coordinators? | 14:12 |
| ianychoi | So.. I would like all to think about this and let's discuss this criteria on the next IRC meeting | 14:13 |
| ianychoi | Then I will talk again with Foundation staff | 14:13 |
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| jftalta | ok ! | 14:13 |
| zzxwill | +1 | 14:13 |
| ianychoi | One thing Lauren said to me that it would be great if translators will also translate user survey questions | 14:13 |
| ianychoi | User survey questions are important to more receive feedbacks and translated user survey would receive more quantitive & qualified answers | 14:14 |
| zzxwill | That can be on our list. | 14:14 |
| zzxwill | Agree. | 14:14 |
| jftalta | Nice idea. +1 | 14:15 |
| ianychoi | That is in current situation for Summit discount codes | 14:15 |
| eumel8 | +1, easy work | 14:15 |
| ianychoi | for I18n :) | 14:15 |
| jftalta | Yes. And great value | 14:15 |
| ianychoi | rsimai, hi are u online now? | 14:15 |
| ianychoi | Then, how long will it take to translate the questions? | 14:15 |
| ianychoi | katomo said that 1 week would be fine for Japanese | 14:16 |
| rsimai | Hi ianychoi. I am, but in a call (as so often)... | 14:16 |
| ianychoi | rsimai, yep fine feel free to join this meeting if you are free - thanks! | 14:16 |
| eumel8 | I think also one week for DE | 14:16 |
| rsimai | ianychoi: you mean the remaining strings in the glossary? | 14:16 |
| ianychoi | rsimai, user survey questions :) - Foundation usually asks may be once a year | 14:17 |
| rsimai | eumel8: you're a bit optimistic, I guess :-) | 14:17 |
| ianychoi | to receive feedback about OpenStack usage, deployment, development, and so on | 14:17 |
| zzxwill | One week would be enough for zh_CN. | 14:17 |
| ianychoi | For Korean, 1 week will be enough | 14:17 |
| jftalta | I don't know. How many questions are there in a survey ? | 14:17 |
| rsimai | ianychoi: ah, now I understand. Didn't see this request... | 14:17 |
| eumel8 | rsimai: for survey strings | 14:18 |
| zzxwill | One more thing, how about the answers in local languages? | 14:18 |
| zzxwill | We also need to translate those. | 14:18 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, hmm I forgot it but you may have already received user survey requests from Heidi or Foundation | 14:18 |
| zzxwill | I have finished the survey. | 14:18 |
| ianychoi | zzxwill, oh good point. But... at least combobox would work fine | 14:19 |
| ianychoi | zzxwill, I will ask this thing to Foundation later thanks you for this thing - which I missed | 14:19 |
| zzxwill | :) | 14:19 |
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| eumel8 | yes, the answers in Chinese could be a little bit of different for Heidi ;) | 14:20 |
| ianychoi | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/i18n-ptg-pike-topics | 14:20 |
| ianychoi | I am writing here as number 3 | 14:20 |
| ianychoi | zzxwill, eumel8 jftalta suh , you can fill out current discussion | 14:21 |
| zzxwill | Yes eumel8. | 14:21 |
| suh | no thank | 14:21 |
| ianychoi | And... as seen the Etherpad, yesterday, I have discussed with infrastructure things with infra team for an hour. | 14:21 |
| ianychoi | One important thing I would like to say that Zanata will be upgrade on the next week | 14:22 |
| ianychoi | Everybody will be fine with that? | 14:22 |
| ianychoi | Maybe there can be some disconnections from your side to Zanata during upgrade progress.. | 14:22 |
| zzxwill | I have been expecting the upgrade for long. | 14:23 |
| eumel8 | lots of stuff (discussion with infra) | 14:23 |
| jftalta | I think this is ok for the french team. | 14:23 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: you need some kind of support for the upgrade? | 14:24 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, maybe.. awareness? | 14:24 |
| ianychoi | In here, one difficult thing is that it is difficult to communicate with Zanata team online because of time difference | 14:25 |
| eumel8 | dunno | 14:25 |
| jftalta | Oh, yes. Brisbane is "down under" ;) | 14:25 |
| ianychoi | When I come back to my hotel room, I fell alseep | 14:25 |
| ianychoi | When I get up, it would be non-working hours in Brisbane | 14:26 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: please announce the timeslot for the maintenance if you know the time | 14:26 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: then wait when the summit is in Sydney ;) | 14:26 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, yep - it will be the entire next week but more details are: prep. for upgrade will be Mon-Tue and actual upgrade will be during Thu-Fri | 14:27 |
| ianychoi | on the next week | 14:27 |
| ianychoi | I will announce - maybe tomorrow | 14:27 |
| ianychoi | since I also need to discuss a lot today afternoon | 14:27 |
| jftalta | Do you know something about new features ? | 14:27 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, would you visit http://translate-dev.openstack.org ? | 14:27 |
| eumel8 | ok, then you can write this in Zanata dashboard: "maintenance the whole week" | 14:27 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, good catch - thanks a lot! | 14:28 |
| ianychoi | I have not checked all the things - actually I have just focused on whether the upgrade will have no problem or not | 14:28 |
| jftalta | ianychoi, well done ;) I will... | 14:28 |
| ianychoi | For detail features, please look around and share with us | 14:29 |
| ianychoi | there is a release note for Zanata | 14:29 |
| jftalta | on line ? | 14:29 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, http://docs.zanata.org/en/latest/release-notes/#396 | 14:29 |
| ianychoi | 3.9.6 is the target to be upgrade | 14:29 |
| jftalta | ok, great ! | 14:29 |
| ianychoi | s/upgrade/upgraded | 14:29 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, :) | 14:29 |
| eumel8 | the new login mechanism is working for me. maybe this is an issue for other users | 14:30 |
| ianychoi | Note that translate-dev.o.o will not be available from next week to for several weeks - for openstackid developers to test the authentication with Zanata | 14:30 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, new login mechanism? | 14:31 |
| eumel8 | openstackid | 14:31 |
| jpich | Good to know about the maintenance. It might be a bit awkward for cycle-trailing projects, we haven't released yet so we could still have gotten new translations for the last RC... but we can do the import after the release too if needed I suppose | 14:31 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, and.. database backup will be surely considered for production upgrade | 14:31 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, current translate-dev.o.o is based on openstackid , not openstackid-dev | 14:32 |
| ianychoi | it means that there will be no problem for production :) | 14:32 |
| jpich | to double-confirm, there won't be any way for translators to provide new translations next week, is that correct? | 14:32 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: change of login provider. this was in discussion in the past | 14:32 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, but.. from next week, translate-dev.o.o will use openstackid-dev not openstackid | 14:32 |
| jftalta | new login mechanism works for me to | 14:32 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, yep but delayed because Zanata upgrade test has been more priority after the discussion with infra team | 14:33 |
| eumel8 | ah, then it's the same and we can avoid login issues | 14:34 |
| ianychoi | jpich, it will be correct - actually, I admit that cycle-trailing release model has not being considered in I18n team. In I18n team, Zanata upgrade has the top most priority for many reasons.. sorry about that. I will announce it also in openstack-dev mailing list | 14:34 |
| jftalta | New feature Zanata 3.9 : "Language coordinator can contact team members" :-) | 14:35 |
| ianychoi | For detail test things, please see: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/i18n-zanata-test-for-translate-dev | 14:35 |
| ianychoi | This is what I have tested | 14:35 |
| jpich | ianychoi: Thanks. I think Japanese and Chinese translators were planning to provide the last translations next week, I'll forward them your email once it is posted | 14:35 |
| ianychoi | + jftalta helped :) | 14:35 |
| ianychoi | jpich, thanks a lot. I will more describe through mailing list as much as possible | 14:36 |
| jpich | ianychoi: Thanks! Also, about creating the stable/ocata branch for tripleo-ui, do you think you will wait until after the migration as well or do it before? | 14:37 |
| ianychoi | And.. list of contributors will be retrived using new Zanata version | 14:37 |
| zzxwill | Nice. | 14:38 |
| ianychoi | jpich, good question. If a project will create a stable branch by next Monday, I will be able to manage it. If a project will create a stable branch after next Monday, I would like to postpone to after March 5 | 14:38 |
| jpich | ianychoi: It is created now :) | 14:38 |
| ianychoi | jpich, great. I will take care of it - maybe tomorrow with our meeting? :) | 14:38 |
| jpich | ianychoi: Sounds awesome, thank you! | 14:39 |
| ianychoi | jpich, you're welcome. :) | 14:39 |
| ianychoi | The API for list of contributors mean that ATC status will be able to be automated | 14:39 |
| ianychoi | suh, the reason I think | 14:39 |
| suh | ok | 14:39 |
| ianychoi | suh, why there is no name in www.openstack.org for Ocata release would be because of that I think | 14:39 |
| ianychoi | We propose ATC status as extra-ATC status currently | 14:40 |
| ianychoi | Although I have not investigated it too much, it may be because of this thing | 14:40 |
| ianychoi | Today morning, I talked with katomo to decide the priority: Stackalytics enhancement vs. automate ATC status | 14:41 |
| suh | sound good | 14:41 |
| ianychoi | katomo suggested me to give more priority to automate ATC status | 14:41 |
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| ianychoi | suh, zzxwill, eumel8, jftalta how do you think so? | 14:42 |
| jftalta | +1 | 14:42 |
| zzxwill | +1 | 14:42 |
| ianychoi | I will consider thing thing as one of goals during Pike cycle | 14:42 |
| ianychoi | s/thing thing/this thing/ | 14:42 |
| eumel8 | we still need the old script from Daisy? Or how it's calculated? | 14:42 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, yep I use Daisy's script very well to propose extra-ATC status | 14:43 |
| zzxwill | Old script? | 14:43 |
| suh | +1 for stackalytics | 14:43 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, it works very well - not be an old script | 14:43 |
| eumel8 | haha, ok :) | 14:43 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: what do you think how to automate this? | 14:44 |
| zzxwill | First time to hear the magic script | 14:44 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, would you see Zanata API part in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/i18n-ptg-pike-topics ? | 14:44 |
| ianychoi | There are five different Zanata APIs which can be used to automate this | 14:45 |
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| ianychoi | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/system-config/tree/tools/owners.py | 14:45 |
| ianychoi | This is current infra script I have heard yesterday to receive the list of committers for ATC status | 14:45 |
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| ianychoi | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/i18n/tree/tools/zanata/zanata_stats.py | 14:45 |
| ianychoi | Daisy wrote this script | 14:46 |
| eumel8 | zzxwill: something there: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/i18n/tree/tools/zanata | 14:46 |
| ianychoi | Then I will merge: Daisy script + using five Zanata APIs into the infra script | 14:46 |
| ianychoi | This is current my idea | 14:46 |
| zzxwill | You told me that before but I failed to retrieve contributors status for i18n. Thanks. | 14:47 |
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| eumel8 | ok | 14:47 |
| ianychoi | zzxwill, haha I have no problem :) Maybe we need to discuss in details | 14:47 |
| zzxwill | I will try it again tonight. | 14:48 |
| ianychoi | zzxwill, sure if you have some problems, please copy & paste all the results including command & results into paste.openstack.org and share to me | 14:48 |
| zzxwill | Will reach you if I failed it again. I modified some code as I only need the status for i18n. | 14:49 |
| zzxwill | SURE. | 14:49 |
| ianychoi | zzxwill, okay. It will be nice if you also share your modification. | 14:49 |
| ianychoi | And.. for translation checksite, I discussed this idea first with Docs team | 14:49 |
| ianychoi | and Docs team said that Docs team has less interest... it means that for Docs team perspective, a kind of stable (static) DevStack instance would be sufficient to write documentation. | 14:50 |
| ianychoi | But for I18n team, we need a sort of dynamic instance - which is difficult to be managed by infra team | 14:51 |
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| eumel8 | but Docs team want's a doc check site, isn't it? | 14:51 |
| ianychoi | And.. when I attend to upstram training discussion yesterday lunch time, I have found that upstream training team wants to have a sort of DevStack instance - which can be exported to .ova format and will be used for training purposes | 14:52 |
| katomo | yeah | 14:52 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, docs team said that Docs team did not have such check site | 14:52 |
| eumel8 | regarding the user stats script: I've wrote this on ptg etherpad. It seems that's a kind of programming work. | 14:52 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, Docs team now has two approaches - one is to implement static DevStack instance and the next is to automate to take screenshots in Horizon :) | 14:52 |
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| eumel8 | screenshots??? | 14:53 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, yep I will do that but it will be also great if someone will apply as an volunteer | 14:53 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, incorportating screenshots into user-guide for different releases - for Docs team perspective | 14:53 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: I have a Python training next month ;-) | 14:54 |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, nice :) I have developed Django applications last year. Hope that my experience will be helpful to implemment such thing | 14:54 |
| eumel8 | ah, ok, understood | 14:54 |
| katomo | #link https://docs.openstack.org/user-guide/dashboard-log-in.html | 14:55 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, actually I do not have too much time, but.. what is the last status for DevStack vs. OpenStackAnsible-based method? | 14:55 |
| katomo | screenshots are needed for the guides | 14:55 |
| ianychoi | It is difficult for me now to find the latest discussion | 14:55 |
| ianychoi | katomo, thanks :) | 14:56 |
| ianychoi | For translation checksite, my current idea is to just consider "cycie-with-milestones release model" not make DevStack installation to much be failed | 14:57 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: regarding the Doc team, my understanding was also they haven't a doc test server and it would be nice to have it. Maybe rsimai can say something to this topic | 14:57 |
| eumel8 | Hi katomo | 14:57 |
| katomo | Hi eumel8 | 14:57 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, rsimai - yep one thing for I18n team is.. that it would be much better if translated screenshots will be also considered for translated guides :) | 14:58 |
| rsimai | eumel8, ianychoi: I can easily agree, it would be (more than) nice to have it | 14:58 |
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| ianychoi | For translate checksite, another idea would be to only update Horizon & Horizon translated strings | 14:59 |
| jftalta | hi katomo | 14:59 |
| katomo | hi fjtalta | 14:59 |
| rsimai | ianychoi: it's a bit of a chicken an egg problem, isn't it? | 14:59 |
| katomo | ianychoi: yes | 14:59 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, for your unofficial translation checksite, you redeploy all the components? | 14:59 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: Devstack core is stable (more or less). Problems starting if we enable additional plugins. At the moment LBaaS and VPNaaS will not work (for example) | 15:00 |
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| eumel8 | so we have to define, which plugins are important for us | 15:00 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, thanks. Your feedback running with the unofficial checksite is very helpful I think | 15:00 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, then it re-deploys all the DevStack components? | 15:01 |
| eumel8 | ok, on the other hand: LBaaS is important, but it will not work with DevStack | 15:01 |
| katomo | T_T | 15:01 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: a broken plugin will break the whole installation | 15:02 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, maybe amotoki will help because he is also neutron-i18n crossproject liaison? Or.. maybe discussing with the developers for LBaaS would be needed I think. I do not have any more idea for such failure.. | 15:03 |
| jftalta | and what do you think of a all-in-one OSA method ?... | 15:03 |
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| ianychoi | jftalta, infra team is worried about such situation so there will be discussion with I18n-OSA-Infra cross session today | 15:03 |
| ianychoi | after 6 hours later | 15:03 |
| jftalta | ok, cool | 15:04 |
| amotoki | eumel8: ianychoi: what happens? | 15:04 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, it would be nice if you share error logs to me and amotoki :) | 15:06 |
| katomo | Hi amo | 15:06 |
| eumel8 | that's the status from last year: Infra team is a little bit fearful with containers | 15:06 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, actually still but yesterday, infra team proposed OSA-based idea | 15:06 |
| ianychoi | This is why I am proposing I18n-OSA-Infra cross session today | 15:06 |
| eumel8 | Hi amatoki. Discussion about stable installation of devstack with additional neutron plugins | 15:06 |
| ianychoi | And.. more things I would like to say now is... that after about 5 hrs, I will discuss with Horizon-release mgmt team | 15:08 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: really??? interesting growth... | 15:08 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, yep! It is in our reality :) | 15:08 |
| ianychoi | to how to define criteria for Horizon string changes after soft and/or hard stringfreezes | 15:09 |
| ianychoi | + how to take actions from different release models in Horizon plugin projects | 15:09 |
| eumel8 | my words from last year: it's an openstack project, they must support this | 15:09 |
| katomo | yeah | 15:10 |
| katomo | a days ago, infra team dont use ansible | 15:10 |
| ianychoi | Actually, frankly speaking, it was very difficult during Ocata cycle for me to identify all different relese cycle models for different projects, idenify when each project will have stable branch, when I should create Zanata versions and when I will create infra sync jobs for stable branch & stable Zanata version | 15:10 |
| ianychoi | I spent lots of time during Ocata cycle.. | 15:11 |
| ianychoi | IMO more clear understanding of release models and discussion for diferent horizon plugin projects would be better | 15:12 |
| ianychoi | Another idea would be that... | 15:12 |
| ianychoi | Personally, I want to reduce translation priority for the Horizon plugin projects which do not have any I18n cross-project liaison. | 15:13 |
| ianychoi | I expect that this kind of policy will make more communication between I18n team and Horizon & Horizon plugin projects | 15:14 |
| jftalta | ianychoi, I understand. But you did not waste your time, let's see that as an investment | 15:14 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, yep :) | 15:14 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: sounds good. more stabilization | 15:14 |
| eumel8 | or more standards | 15:14 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, +1 :) | 15:15 |
| ianychoi | And.. today morning, katomo suggested me to define some policy for language coordinators | 15:15 |
| ianychoi | katomo said that since I18n team is an official team, being a language coordinator without no activitiy (e.g., >1yr) might not be appropriate to stay language coordinator status | 15:16 |
| jftalta | +1 | 15:17 |
| eumel8 | +1 | 15:18 |
| ianychoi | I think it is fine, but I do not want to just change the priviledge to a translator role. Maybe - contacting to the language coordinator via e-mail, if there is response, we can re-consider. If there is no response for some period (e.g., one month), then PTL can change coordinator status for the language team | 15:18 |
| ianychoi | katomo agreed that one month would be fine | 15:19 |
| eumel8 | +1 | 15:20 |
| jftalta | sounds good | 15:20 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, jftalta thank you for opinions | 15:21 |
| ianychoi | And.. the final thing (maybe?).. for today meeting would be that we need to discuss translation priority | 15:21 |
| ianychoi | I initially thought that Forum would be nice since Design Summit is replaced with Forum at the same period. | 15:22 |
| ianychoi | However, on the last IRC meeting | 15:22 |
| ianychoi | most translators perferred to decide during PTG season | 15:22 |
| openstackgerrit | KATO Tomoyuki proposed openstack/i18n master: Use the official project name for the team name https://review.openstack.org/437184 | 15:22 |
| katomo | :( | 15:23 |
| ianychoi | + katomo today also preferred PTG sescion - katomo's idea is that deciding something for the next cycle needs to be discussed during PTG, not Forum - since I18n team is an official team. | 15:23 |
| zzxwill_ | +1 | 15:23 |
| jftalta | it seems obvious | 15:24 |
| katomo | To be exact, not only at the PTG, just at a beginning of the release cycle. | 15:24 |
| katomo | I know many translators cannot join the PTG. | 15:25 |
| ianychoi | So I would like to reconsider my original idea.. but I am worried two things: 1) how many language coordinators will participate in such decision during PTG season via online and 2) then which things are to be discussed in I18n team on Forum? | 15:25 |
| ianychoi | katomo, yep katomo is right - beginning of the release cycle (from PTG period to for 2-3 weeks) | 15:25 |
| katomo | So, I think we can discuss at IRC meeting | 15:25 |
| ianychoi | Yep I am saying now because.. please think, consider, and tell your opinions on that :) | 15:26 |
| ianychoi | Today is just for sharing what I18n team is doing during PTG | 15:26 |
| ianychoi | not to finally decide something | 15:26 |
| ianychoi | suh, by the way, a commit in openstack/i18n repository will make you easily be listed in www.openstack.org for the next release | 15:28 |
| suh | OK thank, and good luck at the PTG | 15:28 |
| katomo | 1: as same as our regular meetings, I think | 15:28 |
| ianychoi | Yep.. this is what I mainly would like to share and also listen to yours | 15:29 |
| ianychoi | Sorry for canceling today IRC meeting - it was 2:00 am here | 15:29 |
| ianychoi | and now I am still occurring jet lag - I always have woken up before 5 am - it is impossible in my Korean life | 15:29 |
| katomo | 2: for the PTG, mainly cross project discussion. for the Forum, feedback from users. | 15:30 |
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| jftalta | sorry but I have to leave you. Goodbye everybody. See you on next meeting. And by email. | 15:32 |
| zzxwill_ | Bye jftalta | 15:32 |
| eumel8 | cu jftalta | 15:32 |
| katomo | see you jftalta | 15:34 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, cu! | 15:34 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, zzxwill_, suh, rsimai : other questions? anything for PTG would be fine now :) | 15:35 |
| zzxwill_ | No from me. | 15:36 |
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| ianychoi | zzxwill_, ah one thing for Chinese team :) | 15:36 |
| zzxwill_ | yes | 15:36 |
| ianychoi | On Tuesday, I have met a Huawei guy and she wants to contact with Chinese language team coordinator | 15:37 |
| eumel8 | not from me. I collected some information on the etherpad but nothing from the last point | 15:37 |
| rsimai | ianychoi: idea for improvement, in particular for guides where it's important to watch the meaning ... | 15:38 |
| rsimai | ianychoi: what about a "context preview" page for guides, where all strings are assembled but hyperlinked to Zanata, for easy corrections. | 15:38 |
| ianychoi | zzxwill_, also, ChangBo Guo - who is one of board of directors is interested in you - maybe can I initiate e-mail conversation with them and you? | 15:39 |
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| ianychoi | rsimai, "context preview" means a kind of more draft pages in documentation, or some a kind of previews in Zanata? | 15:39 |
| zzxwill_ | I know Guo, but how can the Huawei guy contact me? | 15:40 |
| ianychoi | zzxwill_, I will initiate an e-mail including her tomorrow or next week. Would it be fine? | 15:40 |
| zzxwill_ | Yes, thanks. Take your time. | 15:41 |
| rsimai | ianychoi: I don't mind. Easier probably is to just create a preview outside Zanata but hyperlink each string back to Zanata. | 15:41 |
| rsimai | ianychoi: for the Zanata search, you just append a ";search:$my_term" to the URL. I use this from a shellscript to quickly open my browser | 15:43 |
| ianychoi | rsimai, the link from Zanata to draft page? Or the link from draft page to Zanata? | 15:43 |
| rsimai | ianychoi: translators should see the generated text. Then they will see if translations need to be improved and should have a way to quickly access the editor for corrections | 15:44 |
| eumel8 | how to locate a string in horizon | 15:45 |
| rsimai | eumel8: is that on my topic? | 15:45 |
| eumel8 | maybe a question for the horizon team | 15:45 |
| rsimai | eumel8: if yes, I'm not talking about Horizon but the guides | 15:45 |
| robcresswell | grep. or github search. | 15:45 |
| ianychoi | rsimai, then you mean the link from Zanata to the target documentation? | 15:46 |
| eumel8 | rsimai: only the guides? I understood you're looking for a solution to link zanata translation string to horizon. | 15:47 |
| rsimai | eumel8: not sure how to do this in Horizon and don't find it too trick there. | 15:48 |
| rsimai | ianychoi: no, the other way. I want to see a draft of the ready guide, read through it to see if it has meaning and eventually make corrections. | 15:48 |
| rsimai | ianychoi: for the corrections I need to get back into Zanata, to the specific string and that takes time | 15:49 |
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| eumel8 | rsimai: for horizon I think it's not possible. I.e. you translated an error message - how to show this currently on the page? | 15:50 |
| ianychoi | rsimai, maybe I need to discuss with Zanata development team - AFAIK the precise link for the exact target of a translated string for a project & a version would be impossible | 15:50 |
| rsimai | eumel8: agree, focus would be the guides | 15:50 |
| eumel8 | the only connection is the message number of the string | 15:51 |
| ianychoi | rsimai, my understanding is the link from a draft guide to Zanata - for example, a Zanata link in https://docs.openstack.org/draft/de/install-guide-obs/keystone.html - Am I understanding correctly? | 15:51 |
| zzxwill_ | I want the function:) | 15:52 |
| rsimai | ianychoi: every string that has been used to create this page should be hyperlinked to Zanata | 15:52 |
| rsimai | ianychoi: here's an example: https://translate.openstack.org/webtrans/translate?project=openstack-manuals&iteration=stable-newton&localeId=de&locale=en%20#view:doc;doc:doc/common/source/locale/common;search:this%20is%20my%20string | 15:53 |
| rsimai | ianychoi: that wouldn't work but will if you adapt the "search:this%20is%20my%20string" to the actual string you're looking for | 15:54 |
| ianychoi | rsimai, no result on my side | 15:54 |
| ianychoi | rsimai, do you have some result on your side for the URL? | 15:54 |
| rsimai | ianychoi: https://translate.openstack.org/webtrans/translate?project=openstack-manuals&iteration=stable-newton&localeId=de&locale=en%20#view:doc;doc:doc/common/source/locale/common;search:OpenStack%20Mailinglisten | 15:55 |
| rsimai | ianychoi: this is a valid string | 15:55 |
| rsimai | opens the editor for you, in the right project and version and string. Edit, save, go on reading. | 15:56 |
| ianychoi | rsimai so interesting, since I failed to connect the exact side | 15:57 |
| ianychoi | maybe because of one more step - "Allow once" after openstackid auth or... I did not try "search" thing | 15:57 |
| rsimai | ianychoi: ? | 15:57 |
| ianychoi | Previously, I wanted to share to other Korean translator to exact point out the exact string location in Zanata but it failed | 15:58 |
| rsimai | should work this way | 15:58 |
| ianychoi | rsimai, IMO it can be implemented but needs programmable work | 15:58 |
| eumel8 | rsimai: I think you need a new service like elasticsearch. Make an index of d.o.o. parse the string from Zanata to elasticsearch and you have the right place found on the target document. | 15:59 |
| ianychoi | rsimai, also, searching means that there would be multiple results | 15:59 |
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| rsimai | ianychoi: probably but unlikely, since you'd usually search for the whole string. | 16:00 |
| ianychoi | rsimai, yep I agree that usual cases would be fine, but for implementation perspective, exceptions should be considered :) | 16:01 |
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| eumel8 | search results can minimized with search on target document, like install-guide | 16:01 |
| rsimai | eumel8: right, you'd only search one document. I guess that can be determined easily. | 16:03 |
| eumel8 | for some strings it's true: there are multiple results | 16:03 |
| ianychoi | rsimai, eumel8 anyway, IMO, we need a cool volunteer who is an expert on for example javascript side - maybe dragging in draft guide will give some clickable links | 16:03 |
| ianychoi | rsimai, eumel8 another approach would be to develop a kind Chrome web browser plugin - but I have no experience on such development | 16:04 |
| rsimai | ianychoi: however, just wanted to share with you it's something that helps, at least me. | 16:06 |
| rsimai | ianychoi: I use this from a shell script, easier would be to just click in the browser :-) | 16:06 |
| eumel8 | it seems message number and resource-id are only in Zanata and not in git | 16:07 |
| ianychoi | rsimai, yep feedback is so helpful! LoL - using a shell script? I wanna see your method how to find the link | 16:07 |
| ianychoi | rsimai, at least, saving your shell script into openstack/i18n would make more translators helpful | 16:07 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, agreed, I do not know how to access such data | 16:08 |
| eumel8 | in Horizon is a connection to the source code but not in the guides: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-manuals/blob/master/doc/common/source/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/common.po | 16:10 |
| rsimai | ianychoi: it's pretty easy, see https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/rsimai_share | 16:10 |
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| rsimai | ianychoi: note it's just masking spaces, needs proper encoding if anything else appears. But as a showcase | 16:11 |
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| ianychoi | rsimai, cool! Would you upload this script to tools/ directory in openstack/i18n repository? | 16:12 |
| ianychoi | Then I can add more comments and/or other people would enhance the script :) | 16:12 |
| rsimai | ianychoi: if you find it useful, sure. But I probably need to improve that a bit :-) | 16:13 |
| ianychoi | rsimai, there is "Workflow -1" option in Gerrit :) For example, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/436681/ -> I set Workflow -1 | 16:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/i18n master: Use the official project name for the team name https://review.openstack.org/437184 | 16:14 |
| eumel8 | haha :) | 16:15 |
| eumel8 | the sun goes down... | 16:16 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, rsimai thanks a lot for today discussion here! | 16:17 |
| eumel8 | thx ianychoi, enjoy the time in Atlanta :) | 16:18 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, have a nice dinner and good evening! | 16:18 |
| eumel8 | cool, send pix ;) | 16:18 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, https://twitter.com/ianychoi/status/834368763717881856 | 16:19 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, https://twitter.com/ianychoi/status/834363298111950848 | 16:20 |
| ianychoi | I have not seen downtown side yet unfortunately :( | 16:20 |
| eumel8 | there are some nice parks. And Coca Cola building, of course | 16:21 |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, thanks! (I wanna go there but not sure.. lots of things to be discussed with contributors here) | 16:27 |
| eumel8 | http://www.worldofcoca-cola.com/ | 16:27 |
| eumel8 | but it's also enough to see this from outside | 16:27 |
| rsimai | ianychoi, eumel8: indeed, thanks for the discussions | 16:29 |
| ianychoi | rsimai, you're welcome. Have a good evening! | 16:30 |
| ianychoi | Wow looks nice haha | 16:30 |
| rsimai | ianychoi: thanks, nice day to you! | 16:30 |
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| ianychoi | Yep I would like to take a walk tomorrow then wow | 16:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Robert Simai proposed openstack/i18n master: added helper script https://review.openstack.org/437520 | 16:46 |
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| amotoki | ianychoi: there are several places worth visited at ATL | 17:59 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: the world of coca cola, the Georgia aquarium, CNN studio tour.. | 18:00 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: enjoy your stay :) | 18:00 |
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| ianychoi | amotoki, wow did u already go there? Thanks a lot for good info :) | 18:15 |
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| amotoki | ianychoi: i went to the aquarium Sunday :) | 18:28 |
| ianychoi | haha I should have come earlier | 18:29 |
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| jpich | ianychoi: UI session ended up moved early, I'll come up for the session with the release management team in 15mn :) | 19:46 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | eumel8 / ianychoi: just woke up, do you have Horizon questions? | 20:48 |
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| robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: I'm here in the session :) | 20:53 |
| robcresswell | as is david-lyle | 20:53 |
| * david-lyle is a huge help | 20:53 | |
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| eumel8 | thx r1chardj0n3s. we had this topic, indeed, but I think the solution is outside from horizon code. | 21:07 |
| r1chardj0n3s | ok, glad some competent folks are helping out :-) | 21:09 |
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| ianychoi | jpich, thanks a lot for coming & staying also in translate checksite discussion. Can I ask a few things more (e.g., how many translators in tripleo-ui)? | 21:53 |
| jpich | ianychoi: Sure! Do you want to meet somewhere now, or after the feedback session? | 21:54 |
| ianychoi | jpich, I am now in feedback session and waiting for start | 21:55 |
| jpich | Ok, I'm on my way there too | 21:55 |
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| ianychoi | jpich, may be after would be a good idea? Good :) | 21:55 |
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