| fungi | clarkb: breathe it in. last time you'll see it. new adventures ahead | 00:00 |
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| jeblair | fungi: 124181 failed with an interesting error | 00:01 |
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| jeblair | zuul has the wrong jobs for the config repo | 00:01 |
| fungi | do we still need to start puppet back up on the puppetmaster? is zuul missing an update? | 00:01 |
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| jeblair | fungi: i'm not sure; the current change in gate looks correct | 00:02 |
| fungi | yeah | 00:02 |
| jeblair | the config in project-config looks correct as well | 00:02 |
| clarkb | maybe jjb hasn't hit jenkins? | 00:02 |
| fungi | i think we had a registration race | 00:02 |
| fungi | or else the manual puppet runs didn't re-trigger jjb | 00:03 |
| jeblair | oh yeah, that's probably it | 00:03 |
| fungi | i'll check that zuul thinks those are now registered | 00:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Cleanup translation files https://review.openstack.org/124229 | 00:04 |
| fungi | must have been timing, both are registered on bare-precise and bare-trusty now | 00:04 |
| fungi | according to gearman status | 00:04 |
| fungi | i'll recheck it | 00:04 |
| jeblair | yeah, indeed the most recent change that merged still was using the old job set, so that explanation is likely | 00:05 |
| clarkb | we can fix that with more ordering in the ansible host lists | 00:06 |
| clarkb | do git, then gerrit, then jenkinses, then everything else | 00:06 |
| fungi | jjb is taking longer and longer to run, any more there winds up being a significant gap between zuul reloading for layout changes and corresponding jobs getting registered in gearman | 00:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Cleanup translation files https://review.openstack.org/124229 | 00:06 |
| fungi | wow, AJeager is not in here, but he's still improving our stuff | 00:07 |
| fungi | perhaps he does it in his sleep | 00:07 |
| jeblair | clarkb, fungi: yeah; also if we get around to writing the zuul worker that runs ansible, we can still have the system be fairly responsive even if jjb is slow | 00:07 |
| jeblair | clarkb: want to aprv 123846? | 00:08 |
| fungi | i'm inclined to say that's a problem which will be more easily solved once there's no jenkins for which to build crufty xml | 00:08 |
| jeblair | indeed | 00:08 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: /me looks | 00:09 |
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| clarkb | done | 00:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: heat-dsvm-functional INSTALL_TESTONLY=1 https://review.openstack.org/124233 | 00:28 |
| fungi | that reminds me... there's a new project i need to subscribe to in gertty ;) | 00:28 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 00:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/zuul: Add precedence to merge jobs https://review.openstack.org/123846 | 00:43 |
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| fungi | do we want to restart zuul this evening or save that for tomorrow?| | 00:43 |
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| jeblair | fungi: maybe go ahead and do it now? | 00:45 |
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| fungi | sounds good to me | 00:45 |
| jeblair | while the queue is not quite so large | 00:45 |
| anteaya | what is left before we use config and project-config? | 00:46 |
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| jeblair | fungi: shall you or i do the restart? | 00:46 |
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| jeblair | anteaya: i think we are in business | 00:46 |
| reed | congratulations all for the change! massive changelog | 00:47 |
| fungi | i can restart... is there anything special i should do to save pipelines, or just let it do a graceful one? | 00:47 |
| anteaya | jeblair: thanks | 00:47 |
| anteaya | sdague yolanda mtreinish we are good to go on project-config and config | 00:47 |
| fungi | i guess graceful restart with a 12-hour gate backlog is probably not great | 00:48 |
| anteaya | sorry taht was to sdake | 00:48 |
| fungi | do we have cheater notes on dumping the queue? if not i'll reread docs real quick... been a while | 00:48 |
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| clarkb | fungi: in ~root/ there should be a queue dump2 script or some such | 00:49 |
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| fungi | clarkb: thanks | 00:49 |
| clarkb | fungi: if you look at my history yuo should see invocations of it | 00:49 |
| clarkb | fungi: you run that and it spits out a bash script, running the bash script reenqueued | 00:50 |
| jeblair | python zuul-changes2.py http://zuul.openstack.org gate >gate.sh | 00:50 |
| jeblair | python zuul-changes2.py http://zuul.openstack.org check >check.sh | 00:50 |
| jeblair | stop; start; run both of those scripts | 00:50 |
| fungi | jeblair: thanks. just found the same in root's shell history ;) | 00:50 |
| fungi | looks like someone already uncommented the root crontab on the puppetmaster | 00:51 |
| jeblair | fungi: yes i did that and monitored the first auto run | 00:52 |
| arosen1 | Any ideas about this one : http://paste.openstack.org/show/115475/ :/ | 00:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/project-config: Add project-config to infra integration test https://review.openstack.org/124181 | 00:53 |
| fungi | confirmed the latest zuul commit is installed according to pip list, so restarting as soon as these impending changes in the gate post | 00:53 |
| anteaya | yay | 00:55 |
| anteaya | so I am going to go for a walk now | 00:55 |
| anteaya | and tomorrow is election stuff | 00:56 |
| anteaya | yay! | 00:56 |
| jeblair | i pushed a governance change for project-config and subunit2sql in https://review.openstack.org/124238 | 00:58 |
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| anteaya | jeblair: lgtm | 00:59 |
| anteaya | I can't vote and don't see the point of commenting +1 | 00:59 |
| anteaya | but +1 | 00:59 |
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| jeblair | i +1d for the team :) | 00:59 |
| fungi | i stand steadfastly behind jeblair's collective proxy +1 | 01:00 |
| anteaya | :D | 01:01 |
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| fungi | okay, gate is settled, so restarting zuul now | 01:08 |
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| jeblair | perhaps after the 300th change we should make a new point release of zuul. | 01:11 |
| fungi | heh | 01:11 |
| fungi | that's awesomely arbitrary | 01:11 |
| jeblair | better be a good one | 01:11 |
| fungi | we should actually just di it at the next prime-numbered change | 01:12 |
| fungi | er, do it | 01:12 |
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| fungi | wow... so much less tab-completion to edit files in the new repo ;) | 01:12 |
| dims_ | fungi: +1 :) | 01:12 |
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| fungi | do we already have a precedence: low addition for the merge-check pipeline waiting to approve, or should i send one up for review once i'm done queuing changes? | 01:13 |
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| fungi | in case it didn't exist yet ^ | 01:15 |
| jeblair | fungi: i think that's the first | 01:15 |
| fungi | pipelines are done being requeued | 01:16 |
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| jeffrey4l_ | jogo, are u Joe Gordon? | 02:55 |
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| dstufft | clarkb: mordred This is going to break on new pip too https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/master/global-requirements.txt#L115 | 02:57 |
| dstufft | recommnd switching to either >=2013.6 or jsut "pytz" | 02:59 |
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| clarkb | dstufft want to propose the change? | 03:07 |
| clarkb | I can review | 03:08 |
| clarkb | jeffrey4l_ yes jogo is joe gordon | 03:08 |
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| jeffrey4l_ | clarkb, I want to talk with him something. But it seem that he is not on line. | 03:09 |
| jeffrey4l_ | never mind. I leave some comment to him, already. | 03:09 |
| dstufft | clarkb: do I just make a change to the global requirements repo? | 03:10 |
| dstufft | to that one file? | 03:10 |
| Alex_Gaynor | dstufft: yes, then the system automatically sends CRs to all the downstreams | 03:11 |
| dstufft | ok | 03:11 |
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| clarkb | dstufft yup | 03:14 |
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| dstufft | lol | 03:15 |
| dstufft | pytz was changed from "pytz" to "pytz>=2010g" because of pip :V | 03:15 |
| dstufft | er 2010h | 03:15 |
| dstufft | now it's going back! | 03:15 |
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| clarkb | lgtm but we probably shouldnt merge until after RCs | 03:16 |
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| Alex_Gaynor | clarkb: I put a +2, won't +W | 03:19 |
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| dstufft | my only opinion on that is selfish so I'm ok with whatever :) | 03:19 |
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| yolanda | jeblair, anteaya, i was told to add debootstrap package to project-config, but i think it's not the case, right? what i see there for nodepool is the elements and scripts, but i need to add the package to the manifests, as we did for kpartx and qemu-utils | 08:32 |
| yolanda | am i ok to file a change against it? | 08:32 |
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| valhallasw`cloud | Hey, I'm trying to file a bug on Gertty, but I'm getting a HTTP/500 when I try to login at https://storyboard.openstack.org | 09:15 |
| valhallasw`cloud | (click login, get redirected to login.launchpad.net, click 'yes, log me in', https://storyboard.openstack.org/api/v1/openid/authorize_return?etc... HTTP/500's) | 09:16 |
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| AJaeger | valhallasw`cloud: is this your first login to any openstack system? | 09:23 |
| valhallasw`cloud | AJaeger: https://review.openstack.org works without any issues | 09:24 |
| AJaeger | so, you're logged in there? | 09:24 |
| * AJaeger just tries to reproduce... | 09:24 | |
| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Gate Gnocchi against py34-postgresql https://review.openstack.org/124340 | 09:25 |
| AJaeger | valhallasw`cloud: works for me | 09:25 |
| valhallasw`cloud | AJaeger: Yes. I have used Gerrit before (a year ago or so), but haven't used storyboard before. | 09:25 |
| AJaeger | valhallasw`cloud: in that case you have to wait for the experts from the US to wake up... | 09:27 |
| valhallasw`cloud | Sure, no problem. | 09:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ricardo Carrillo Cruz proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Add version-properties builder to macros.yaml https://review.openstack.org/124365 | 11:22 |
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| AJaeger | rcarrillocruz: ping | 11:36 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1357677 in nova "Instances failes to boot from volume" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1357677 | 11:49 |
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| rcarrillocruz | AJaeger: thx, i see what you mean now... | 12:25 |
| rcarrillocruz | i will revert the change on the jobs that won't work | 12:26 |
| rcarrillocruz | and push a new one | 12:26 |
| rcarrillocruz | and when/if it gets merged | 12:26 |
| AJaeger | rcarrillocruz: that's one way forward - thanks! | 12:26 |
| rcarrillocruz | i will refactor the other jobs that can't work by refactoring | 12:26 |
| AJaeger | Perhaps add a comment to the other places why you cannot use this. | 12:26 |
| rcarrillocruz | it's counterintuitive to have - version-properties | 12:26 |
| rcarrillocruz | - shell: | | 12:26 |
| rcarrillocruz | < actions till version-properties> | 12:27 |
| rcarrillocruz | - version-properties | 12:27 |
| rcarrillocruz | - shell: | | 12:27 |
| rcarrillocruz | <actions after version-properties> | 12:27 |
| rcarrillocruz | thus no point in using as is version-properties for shell blocks having that problem | 12:27 |
| rcarrillocruz | will refactor those afterwards | 12:27 |
| rcarrillocruz | thx again | 12:27 |
| AJaeger | I liked that you wanted to clean this up, thanks! | 12:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed a change to openstack-infra/zuul: add support for individual change status in webapp https://review.openstack.org/124390 | 12:50 |
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| ihrachyshka | how frequently is logstash populated? | 12:51 |
| sdague | continuously | 12:51 |
| sdague | however, there is a substantial backlog | 12:51 |
| sdague | notice the graph at the bottom of the zuul status page | 12:51 |
| ihrachyshka | aha. so how long does it generally take for events to reach it? | 12:52 |
| ihrachyshka | I don't see relevant events since 2014-09-24T23:31:03.000 which is quite old | 12:52 |
| sdague | so... under ideal circumstances it's measure in seconds or minutes | 12:53 |
| sdague | however, as I said, there is a substantial backlog | 12:53 |
| gilliard | That is 2 days ago though - I can see logs in logstash from the last hour. | 12:54 |
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| sdague | gilliard: no, you can't | 12:54 |
| sdague | you can see things that were time parsed incorrectly | 12:54 |
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| sdague | so it thinks they were in the last hour | 12:54 |
| gilliard | oh. I see. | 12:54 |
| sdague | NOT tags:_grokparsefailure AND NOT message:"%{logmessage}" AND (build_queue:gate OR build_queue:check) | 12:55 |
| sdague | will give you an idea of the last valid events in there | 12:56 |
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| sdague | 2014-09-25T01:41:56.401+00:00 seems to be the most recent valid event | 12:56 |
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| sdague | so, yeh, that's 30 hrs behind | 12:56 |
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| sdague | fungi: you up yet? | 12:59 |
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| fungi | yeop | 12:59 |
| fungi | er, yep | 12:59 |
| openstackgerrit | Nikolay Fedotov proposed a change to openstack-infra/nodepool: Remove hardcoded root path of a jenkins node https://review.openstack.org/121896 | 13:00 |
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| ihrachyshka | sdague: thanks, everything is clear now | 13:00 |
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| sdague | fungi: so I'm staring at zuul things again this morning | 13:00 |
| sdague | and I really think the merge-check is hurting us pretty bad, as you can see in the triangle shapes in zuul node use | 13:01 |
| fungi | sdague: https://review.openstack.org/124241 | 13:01 |
| sdague | fungi: ok, cool | 13:01 |
| sdague | how soon can we get that into live? | 13:01 |
| fungi | as soon as it merges and puppet applies it | 13:02 |
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| sdague | ok | 13:02 |
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| sdague | the zuul code is out there? | 13:02 |
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| AJaeger | good morning, fungi! | 13:02 |
| fungi | yeah, i restarted zuul last night before i uploaded the config change | 13:02 |
| sdague | fungi: great | 13:02 |
| * AJaeger needs a brown paper bag ;( Could you review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124329/ , please? | 13:02 | |
| sdague | so... the only issue there under current load is we're going to end up basically queuing these merge checks up | 13:03 |
| fungi | sdague: though as far as how it could potentially have been affecting throughput, i have doubts. keep in mind we're constrained by provider capacity, and since the check volume picked up a few hours ago there's been only one tiny little wedge in the otherwise flat-lined test nodes graph | 13:03 |
| sdague | and running them days after | 13:03 |
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| sdague | fungi: so look at things from yesterday | 13:04 |
| fungi | so really, we'd have just been waiting on nodes if we weren't waiting on merges to get done | 13:04 |
| sdague | we really aren't, because we cap the number of ready nodes | 13:04 |
| sdague | so yes, if this happens quick enough, we're getting ready | 13:04 |
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| sdague | but when we merge a couple of nova changes the merge-check backs up so far that we basically drive in use nodes to 0 | 13:05 |
| sdague | then you'll see the giant yellow wall once we release again | 13:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed a change to openstack-infra/git-review: Handle correctly http error raise in run_http_exc https://review.openstack.org/124396 | 13:05 |
| fungi | when nodepool can't get providers to boot new nodes fast enough or delete used nodes fast enough, or get jenkins masters to put ready nodes into service fast enough, the down-time from merge-check bursts is only creating marginal drops in our overall usage. otherwise we're still full-on at capacity during ~ american work hours | 13:06 |
| anteaya | morning | 13:07 |
| fungi | so while yes the ratio of in use vs booting flip-flops briefly in a spike, remember we can't go overall any faster that the total quota capacity | 13:07 |
| sdague | fungi: sure | 13:07 |
| sdague | but the whitespace is lost capacity | 13:07 |
| sdague | and, honestly, every bit helps | 13:07 |
| valhallasw`cloud | AJaeger: ah, seems to be working again. It now also asked me to send my nickname to Storyboard, which was not asked this morning, so that might be related. | 13:07 |
| sdague | when we are at capacity | 13:07 |
| fungi | it is, yes. there's a fair amount of it overnight american timezones, but during the day much less so as an overall area on te graph | 13:07 |
| sdague | all the whitespace in the current zuul is not actually idle time | 13:08 |
| sdague | as far as I can tell | 13:09 |
| sdague | as in, we had work to do | 13:09 |
| anteaya | yolanda: you can file changes to project-config and config again, yes. Who told you to file debootstrap to project-config? | 13:09 |
| sdague | otherwise it would not immediately go back to full capacity | 13:09 |
| sdague | if it drifted back up, I'd believe that it was related to people being asleep | 13:10 |
| AJaeger | good morning, anteaya ! Thanks for driving the project-config work! | 13:10 |
| fungi | anyway, i don't think the precedence change is actually going to cause merge checks to run much later, because in theory there is plenty of down-time for the merge workers when they're not prepping merges for other higher-priority pipelines. it's just that they run full-bore when there's merge-check work to do so having it operate at highest priority was causing delays for other pipelines | 13:10 |
| sdague | fungi: ok | 13:10 |
| anteaya | morning AJaeger I was just noisy and did the easy stuff, jeblair fungi and clarkb did the hard stuff | 13:10 |
| anteaya | and i am glad it is finished | 13:10 |
| yolanda | anteaya, i got the impression yesterday when you told me to abandon my change, that now it had to be on project-config | 13:10 |
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| sdague | fungi: though we've not dropped to 0 waiting workers for as long as I can see either, it will be interesting | 13:10 |
| anteaya | except for the stuff we don't know about and have to fix | 13:11 |
| yolanda | but i see it's for scripts and configuration, mine is for config i guess | 13:11 |
| fungi | sdague: but i'm eager to see how it plays out once that config change lands | 13:11 |
| AJaeger | anteaya: then let's say: Great team work of the infra team! | 13:11 |
| yolanda | anteaya, so it's ok to file it again, right? | 13:11 |
| anteaya | yolanda: can you show me your change again? | 13:11 |
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| sdague | fungi: yep :) | 13:11 |
| anteaya | yolanda: the one I had talked to you about | 13:11 |
| anteaya | AJaeger: yay infra team \o/ | 13:11 |
| sdague | because it also means things like ER changes take an hour to get in, even though they should be about 10 minutes | 13:12 |
| anteaya | AJaeger: which includes you and your great reviews | 13:12 |
| yolanda | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124077/ | 13:12 |
| yolanda | anteaya ^ | 13:12 |
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| anteaya | yolanda: yes the nodepool manifests are still in config | 13:12 |
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| anteaya | try unabandoning it | 13:12 |
| fungi | sdague: yeah, it may cause slow accumulation in the merge-check pipeline when other activity is higher and then catch up overnight when the check pipeline falls back. if we don't already dequeue from merge-check when there are new merge-check pseudo-jobs requested for the same changes, we'll want to look into that | 13:12 |
| yolanda | ok | 13:12 |
| anteaya | and recheck it | 13:12 |
| AJaeger | anteaya: you're too kind - thanks | 13:12 |
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| anteaya | if it passes jenkins then it will still work on config | 13:13 |
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| anteaya | AJaeger: just being honest, you do great reviews, I count on them | 13:13 |
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| yolanda | ok done it | 13:13 |
| anteaya | cool | 13:13 |
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| yolanda | thx | 13:14 |
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| * AJaeger counts on anteaya's reviews ;) | 13:15 | |
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| AJaeger | anteaya: see above for my brown paper bag bug - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124329/ | 13:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: remove old queries with no hits that reference closed bugs. https://review.openstack.org/124379 | 13:20 |
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| anteaya | I'm looking, what is the definition of a brown paper bag bug? I don't know. | 13:23 |
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| anteaya | fungi: we don't rename stackforge projects, do we? There is an item on the agenda where someone wants to change to projects from stackforge/name to stackforge/other-name | 13:26 |
| AJaeger | anteaya: an embarrassing bug ;( | 13:26 |
| anteaya | AJaeger: ah, okay | 13:26 |
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| anteaya | well considering all the negatives in that commit message I don't think it is that easy to keep straight | 13:27 |
| fungi | anteaya: we rename them batched with official projects that want to rename, but we don't schedule separate maintenance activity just to cater to stackforge renames | 13:27 |
| anteaya | kk | 13:27 |
| anteaya | so it is possible but they wait for another scheduled downtime | 13:27 |
| fungi | so it's a legitimate enough request, but it likely won't happen right away | 13:27 |
| AJaeger | fungi, so my advise to put it on the agenda was correct, wasn't it? | 13:27 |
| fungi | AJaeger: yeah | 13:27 |
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| anteaya | fungi: so elections, it would be good to tag the governance repo, I do believe | 13:29 |
| anteaya | ttx are you about? | 13:29 |
| ttx | anteaya: I am | 13:29 |
| anteaya | ttx for a discussion on tagging the governance repo? | 13:29 |
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| ttx | anteaya: sure i can do that | 13:29 |
| anteaya | we did last time for clarity on state | 13:29 |
| anteaya | thanks | 13:29 |
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| anteaya | I think now is the right time | 13:29 |
| anteaya | any objections to now? | 13:30 |
| AJaeger | anteaya: "The current kernel release is 2.2.1. This is the "brown paper bag" release, so named by Linus since it did have a problem or two sufficiently embarrassing to make him want to wear a bag over his head in public for a while." | 13:30 |
| ttx | nope, on it | 13:30 |
| fungi | nope, that's good. i'm about to get started generating electorate rolls | 13:30 |
| anteaya | ttx: thanks | 13:30 |
| anteaya | fungi: thanks | 13:30 |
| anteaya | ttx did we manage to get that last docs contributor into extra-atcs? | 13:30 |
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| anteaya | AJaeger: ah | 13:30 |
| fungi | anteaya: what's the official list of programs with elections? there only ended up being one or two in contest right | 13:30 |
| fungi | ? | 13:31 |
| fungi | anteaya: yeah, it merged | 13:31 |
| anteaya | fungi: thanks | 13:31 |
| anteaya | just double checking emails again | 13:31 |
| anteaya | right now tripleo and cinder | 13:31 |
| anteaya | so those for sure | 13:31 |
| ttx | one of them could not make it, but the patch with docs contributors did | 13:31 |
| anteaya | let me confirm others | 13:31 |
| fungi | i believe all the programs with extra atcs are uncontested anyway, right? | 13:31 |
| anteaya | ttx :( on that contributor but glad the others went in | 13:31 |
| ttx | tag pushed | 13:32 |
| anteaya | well just one docs person didn't join the foundation in time | 13:32 |
| fungi | thanks! | 13:32 |
| anteaya | ttx: thanks | 13:32 |
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| anteaya | yeah I don't see any recent emails | 13:34 |
| anteaya | all the ones I see were confirmed | 13:34 |
| anteaya | to tripleo and cinder please | 13:35 |
| anteaya | s/to/so | 13:35 |
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| fungi | that sounds like what i recalled. will get it to you and tristanC asap | 13:36 |
| anteaya | thanks | 13:36 |
| anteaya | tristanC is here too | 13:36 |
| fungi | yep ;) | 13:36 |
| tristanC | Hello | 13:36 |
| anteaya | oh and yes all the programs with extra atcs are uncontested | 13:37 |
| anteaya | for those following along at home: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/reference/extra-atcs | 13:39 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/project-config: Perform merge-check jobs at low precedence https://review.openstack.org/124241 | 13:39 |
| fungi | i just confirmed the same. there are 5 programs with extra-atcs specified, but none for deployment or block storage | 13:39 |
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| annegentle | ttx: thanks for representing docs' issues with the layers, I just haven't jumped on the thread but you're spot on with "it's not just release management" | 13:42 |
| annegentle | I do appreciate the discussion just haven't jumped in | 13:42 |
| sdague | fungi: what's the ER code update timing window again? | 13:42 |
| ttx | annegentle: right, horizontal efforts go beyond "the gate and thierry" | 13:42 |
| fungi | sdague: i don't know what those words mean in that combination... try another? | 13:42 |
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| sdague | how long after ER code merge until that's the live code on the system | 13:43 |
| fungi | sdague: oh, good question... when you say er code merge you do mean changes to the source code for the elastic-recheck services, not changes to the dataset right? | 13:43 |
| ttx | annegentle: btw I had one question -- which is the set of projects (if any) which you directly produce docs for ? IIRC it's a subset of the current "integrated" release | 13:43 |
| sdague | fungi: yep | 13:44 |
| sdague | though they are one in the same, I believe | 13:44 |
| ttx | annegentle: want to see how far it is from layer #1 as proposed | 13:44 |
| fungi | sdague: it's deployed via puppet from git, so should happen within ~15 minutes normally | 13:44 |
| sdague | awesome, thanks :) | 13:44 |
| fungi | sdague: however, depending on how it's versioned and installed, could get stuck... i'll take a look for a better confirmation | 13:44 |
| anteaya | I just updated the two election wikipages with the tag ttx just pushed | 13:45 |
| sdague | I think given that, there is nothing to worry about, if what I don't expect to be there isn't there in an hour, I'll ask | 13:45 |
| fungi | sdague: yeah, last update was merged 25 minutes ago and pip list says that's the version which is currently installed on status.openstack.org | 13:46 |
| fungi | sdague: also the process start time for /usr/local/bin/elastic-recheck is 13:34 utc, so should be running the latest commit | 13:47 |
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| AJaeger | ttx documentation is trying (!) to handle all incubated projects but the level of coverage is different... | 13:48 |
| AJaeger | s/incubated/integrated/ | 13:48 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: heh was just going to say... :) | 13:48 |
| AJaeger | the newer ones have less documentation... | 13:48 |
| fungi | sdague: also, i noticed that the openstackrecheck irc bot fell off freenode a couple months ago and never came back after some adjustments were made to how its channels list was configured... is it intended to eventually get resurrected? | 13:48 |
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| AJaeger | annegentle: I'm not good at multi-tasking ;( | 13:48 |
| annegentle | ttx: yes there's gradual integration | 13:48 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: you seem to do just fine from my view! :) | 13:48 |
| annegentle | ttx: for example ceilometer has slightly more than trove | 13:49 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: that's accurate, right? ^^ | 13:49 |
| fungi | AJaeger: not sure you you can be the #1 reviewer (according to stackalytics) and not be good at multitasking | 13:49 |
| AJaeger | annegentle: yeah... | 13:49 |
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| AJaeger | fungi: I'll slow down a bit now to give SergeyLukjanov a chance to be number 1 again ;) | 13:49 |
| fungi | heh | 13:50 |
| sdague | fungi: ... I thought so | 13:50 |
| sdague | though, honestly, it's kind of useless at the moment as we're 30 hrs behind on indexing | 13:50 |
| AJaeger | annegentle: ceilomter is making a good push right now, heat and trove are slowly catching up as well... | 13:50 |
| fungi | sdague: okay, cool. i was just worried when i had to go reset nickserv passwords for all our bots and that was the only one i was unable to test continued working, since it was already too broken to connect | 13:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Stop using deprecated TESTR_FULL option https://review.openstack.org/124404 | 13:51 |
| mtreinish | anteaya: ^^^ ok, moved to project-config | 13:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed a change to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Add query for encrypted volume delete race bug 1374458 https://review.openstack.org/124407 | 13:57 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1374458 in cinder "Race to delete volume in test_encrypted_cinder_volumes_luks" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1374458 | 13:57 |
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| anteaya | mtreinish: thank you | 13:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed a change to openstack-infra/git-review: Handle correctly http error raise in run_http_exc https://review.openstack.org/124396 | 14:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed a change to openstack-infra/git-review: Support authentication in run_http_exc https://review.openstack.org/124410 | 14:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nikolay Fedotov proposed a change to openstack-infra/nodepool: Remove hardcoded root path of a jenkins node https://review.openstack.org/121896 | 14:12 |
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| sdague | fungi: when you have a second, I'd be curious on your thoughts on - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124390/ | 14:17 |
| sdague | which is exposing X,Y.json in the zuul webapp for individual changes | 14:17 |
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| fungi | huh... odd that the ci parsing table isn't finding those job results | 14:19 |
| fungi | sdague: the change sounds good to me in principle (i haven't looked at the implementation yet) | 14:20 |
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| sdague | it's in a recheck | 14:21 |
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| fungi | yeah, but rechecking a change doesn't generally hide the previous test results | 14:22 |
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| fungi | from a quick stare at the implementation, it doesn't strike me as a security risk since the user-supplied data is put through a strict match on having only integer values there | 14:24 |
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| fungi | so even if it gets reused in a later patch, the \d+,\d+ string can't really pose much of a threat no matter what's done with it | 14:26 |
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| sdague | fungi: yeh | 14:38 |
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| sdague | I tried to make it a pretty narrow bit, plus it's only used in compares anyway | 14:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ken Giusti proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Add packages necessary for AMQP 1.0 support in olso.messaging https://review.openstack.org/124422 | 14:43 |
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| clarkb | sdague 124250 is a fun reqs change | 14:43 |
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| sdague | hmmm... | 14:44 |
| sdague | I don't like dropping the minimum | 14:45 |
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| clarkb | the minimum wont work though | 14:45 |
| clarkb | maybe we bump it to a version that will work? | 14:46 |
| sdague | yes | 14:46 |
| sdague | I'd rather do that | 14:46 |
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| sdague | >= 2014 should be valid, right? | 14:46 |
| anteaya | AJaeger: you had asked for my filter branch commands: http://paste.openstack.org/show/115627/ | 14:46 |
| sdague | actually >= 2013 | 14:46 |
| anteaya | AJaeger: I know you had requested a blog post but I just don't have the energy right now to compose it | 14:47 |
| sdague | based on what I see here - https://pypi.python.org/packages/source/p/pytz/ | 14:47 |
| clarkb | sdague yes I think so. dstufft will know for sure though | 14:47 |
| anteaya | so rather than make you wait, there are the commands, ugly and effective | 14:47 |
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| AJaeger | anteaya: WOW! that's a long filter command... | 14:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed a change to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Add query for scheduling race bug 1372093 https://review.openstack.org/124428 | 14:54 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1372093 in tempest "QuotaClassesAdminTestJSON.test_update_default_quota() cause other tests to fail" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1372093 | 14:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Ignore extra-atcs lines which look like comments https://review.openstack.org/124429 | 14:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Allow a git ref to pin the governance repo https://review.openstack.org/124430 | 14:54 |
| jeblair | sdague, fungi: a good portion of the whitespace on the graph is actual less-than-full-bore time from us-overnight. the largest two build spikes are from the periodic jobs. the two recent smaller spikes with whitespace are probably from merge-check. | 14:55 |
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| jeblair | sdague, fungi: so some substantial noticable effect for certain, but it's not the sole (or largest) cause of whitespace. | 14:55 |
| mordred | sdague: yah - I believe >= 2013 is supported by pip mainly because of pytz | 14:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ken Giusti proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Add tests to verify oslo.messaging's use of the Apache QPID broker https://review.openstack.org/124433 | 14:57 |
| fungi | jeblair: agreed. that was my take from it as well | 14:57 |
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| jeblair | sdague, fungi: as for the queue -- only unique entries are added to it, and the usual dequeue on new patchset behavior is used | 14:57 |
| sdague | jeblair: ok, cool | 14:58 |
| sdague | jeblair: I wasn't sure how thoat worked here | 14:58 |
| fungi | jeblair: cool. i've been keeping an eye on it since the precedence config change went into effect, and so far it seems to be doing what i'd expect | 14:58 |
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| jeblair | sdague, fungi: and as for timeliness of results -- the only thing it does is internal merges, which is the very thing where zuul selects a repo state for testing; before that happens, zuul has no idea of the repo state. so.... | 14:58 |
| jeblair | sdague, fungi: in other words, when a check finally runs, it is guaranteed to be current | 14:59 |
| fungi | got it. the result is whatever the result would be at the time it was attempted, not having anything necessarily to do with the change which merged to trigger it | 14:59 |
| jeblair | sdague, fungi: so if it sits in there for 2 hours, when it finally runs, it's tested the immediate mergability of that change | 14:59 |
| openstackgerrit | Ken Giusti proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Add packages necessary for AMQP 1.0 support in olso.messaging https://review.openstack.org/124422 | 14:59 |
| sdague | hmmm... looks like internal mirror issues - https://jenkins03.openstack.org/job/gate-nova-pep8/7982/console | 14:59 |
| sdague | jeblair: gotcha, ok, so nothing to worry about | 14:59 |
| jeblair | fungi: yep. not related to change that triggered it, or time enqueued or anything like that | 15:00 |
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| fungi | sdague: yes, we've observed that hpcloud has trouble talking to itself from time to time | 15:00 |
| sdague | jeblair: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124390/ - here's an idea, if we did that in zuul, I think it would give us the infrastructure to pull those results over to the toggle ci code | 15:00 |
| anteaya | fungi: I'm going with the changes you offered patches for are working? | 15:00 |
| anteaya | fungi: or still testing | 15:00 |
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| fungi | anteaya: still testing. those are work in progress until i'm done validating the results--i'll mark them as such | 15:01 |
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| anteaya | kk | 15:01 |
| anteaya | well I am +1 on both | 15:01 |
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| jeblair | sdague: jhesketh has been working on that actually; that's what has been driving the status page refactor (i don't want us to have _three_ copies of the zuul status code) | 15:01 |
| jeblair | sdague: i think he may have a similar change in 122036 | 15:02 |
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| sdague | jeblair: so it's related but not similar | 15:03 |
| sdague | jhesketh's applying a filter to generate a different cache | 15:03 |
| sdague | this is just returning a subset of the existing cache | 15:04 |
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| jeblair | sdague: actually jhesketh's looks like it does not use caching at all if the filter is supplied | 15:06 |
| sdague | so I thought about going that deep to do this, but given how much needs that main cache anyway, just plucking out of the cache seemed like it would put less load on the system | 15:06 |
| sdague | oh, I must have misread that | 15:06 |
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| sdague | no, I think that if the cache is old, and you have a filter, you still get to self.cache = status_json | 15:07 |
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| sdague | which might be unintended | 15:07 |
| jeblair | sdague: i think you are right on both counts | 15:08 |
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| sdague | so, my change is solely in webapp and just plucks things out of existing cache, so you can just take advantage of all the computation that happened for the full list | 15:09 |
| sdague | ok, I put my observation in jhesketh' | 15:10 |
| sdague | s patch | 15:10 |
| jeblair | sdague: that sounds like a good approach. what do you think about using a query string like in jhesketh's change? | 15:10 |
| sdague | jeblair: I can go either way | 15:11 |
| sdague | I'm typically more of a pathinfo person for resources like this | 15:11 |
| sdague | but if you want it as a query string, I can change it | 15:11 |
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| jeblair | oh, his let's you filter by project too | 15:11 |
| sdague | yep | 15:12 |
| sdague | his is definitely doing more | 15:12 |
| sdague | my use case was thinking about exposing this into gerrit | 15:12 |
| jeblair | his too -- he has been working for months on that :) | 15:12 |
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| sdague | ok | 15:14 |
| jeblair | and i'm still keen on the original plan of finishing up the status page refactor so we can re-use the same code in all three places | 15:14 |
| sdague | sure | 15:14 |
| jeblair | i think it's pretty close actually, it's just not our highest review priority :/ | 15:14 |
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| jeblair | of course it's his saturday, so the 3 of us can't get together and chat about this before i leave tomorrow :( | 15:15 |
| sdague | right | 15:15 |
| sdague | jeblair: how long you gone for? | 15:15 |
| jeblair | but maybe next week you and he can bash out a single solution for the change filtering. i'll try to leave comments on both reviews | 15:16 |
| sdague | ok | 15:16 |
| jeblair | sdague: till oct 8 | 15:16 |
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| mordred | jeblair: you know we all become terrified when you go away for periods of time, right? | 15:16 |
| sdague | honestly, I was going to do some changes to the toggle ci parts to try to make it a little clearer about what's going on some times | 15:17 |
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| sdague | jeblair: so we *might* cross paths again before paris, or might not | 15:17 |
| jeblair | sdague: that would be very welcome! as long as you don't actually implement the status page in toggleci we'll be fine :) i imagine that would be very upsetting to jhesketh | 15:18 |
| jeblair | sdague: you're taking pre-paris time off? | 15:18 |
| sdague | I'm taking time off when the baby comes | 15:18 |
| jeblair | right, and you haven't set a date for that yet. ;) | 15:19 |
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| sdague | right :) | 15:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Add query for encrypted volume delete race bug 1374458 https://review.openstack.org/124407 | 15:19 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1374458 in nova "test_encrypted_cinder_volumes_luks fails to detach encrypted volume" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1374458 | 15:19 |
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| sdague | yeh, well honestly my bigger concerns with toggle ci right now are making it easy to understand how old the test results are, and making it have a big red button if it's in merge conflict - which isn't always super clear | 15:22 |
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| jeblair | sdague: ya. i _think_ it knows when something is in merge conflict, and, iirc, it just does not display the results. i can agree that's not the best ui choice. :) | 15:23 |
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| sdague | yeh | 15:23 |
| jeblair | sdague: fortunately, that data should already be there to work with. | 15:23 |
| sdague | yep | 15:23 |
| sdague | I figured it would be my friday afternoon hacking on something different :) | 15:23 |
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| sdake | hey guys question re kolla - and the need for separate repos | 15:28 |
| sdake | we think we need separate repos for each container we produce | 15:28 |
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| sdake | so docker.io can automate the build of the containers and put them in their registry | 15:29 |
| sdake | I thought having 20-30 repos for 1 project might be irritating | 15:29 |
| sdake | would that be, or would nobody care? | 15:29 |
| sdake | jeblair thoughts? | 15:29 |
| mordred | sdake: I do not think you need sepearate repos | 15:29 |
| fungi | sdake: what does "each container" mean in this context? one per target platform per server project? | 15:29 |
| larsks | mordred: docker hub's automatied build process needs a single dockerfile at the root of a repository. | 15:29 |
| sdake | larsks can you answer what you mean? | 15:29 |
| mordred | sdake: in dox, we've been working on the idea of having a directory tree that contains multiple container descriptions | 15:30 |
| jeblair | fungi: i think it's more like one per openstack project; so they'll build a "nova" container... right? | 15:30 |
| larsks | mordred: It's designed for one-repo-per-iamge that your're building. | 15:30 |
| mordred | larsks: I understand the tools there | 15:30 |
| larsks | mordred: Okay. That's what we want to use. | 15:30 |
| mordred | larsks: well, let's come back to that - why do you want to use dockerhub to build the containers? | 15:30 |
| fungi | jeblair: except not sure how that translates to 20-30 repos per project, unless i misinterpreted | 15:30 |
| larsks | mordred: I would say for two reasons: | 15:30 |
| sdake | 20-30 repos total fungi | 15:30 |
| sdake | I think I mispoke ;-) | 15:30 |
| jeblair | fungi: 20-30 for the singlo kolla project | 15:30 |
| fungi | sdake: oh, gotcha | 15:30 |
| larsks | (a) the convenience of having an automatic build-image-from-git-push mechanism, and | 15:31 |
| * mordred does not think more than one git repo is needed - but he'll get to that | 15:31 | |
| fungi | sdake: so fewer than horizon's xstatic repos then ;) | 15:31 |
| mordred | a) infra exists | 15:31 |
| larsks | (b) having a clear link on docker hub between the images and source repositories that matches community expectations. | 15:31 |
| clarkb | I think it was murano thst decided this was an anti pattern | 15:31 |
| mordred | b) makes sense | 15:31 |
| clarkb | you group code logically | 15:31 |
| larsks | If (a) exists, I guess I would live with that. | 15:31 |
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| clarkb | not based on specific "packaging" needs | 15:31 |
| mordred | larsks: you don't need a non-infra build service for anything ... :) | 15:31 |
| mordred | HOWEVER | 15:31 |
| anita-anteaya | so yeah, my server died apparently | 15:32 |
| mordred | there is a thing from the docker folks which is how they make the official containers | 15:32 |
| anita-anteaya | woo for timing | 15:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Martinelli proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Run a shell script instead of tox for osc functional https://review.openstack.org/124276 | 15:32 |
| mordred | which completely has the ability to do multi-container per git repo | 15:32 |
| mordred | one sec so I can get the link .... | 15:32 |
| larsks | this is the stackbrew stuff, yeah? | 15:32 |
| mordred | yeah | 15:32 |
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| larsks | I thought they were trying to move away from that in favor of the automated builds (<-- not based on anything authoritative) | 15:33 |
| clarkb | (it is possible the the two overlap and you do 30 repos, but I think you have to attack it from the what makes logical sense perspective first) | 15:33 |
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| mordred | gotcha. well, having repo-per-container is a model I'm _actively_ working on not doing in infra as it relates to dox | 15:33 |
| larsks | Part of my concern is that mixing up all the dockerfiles in a single repository will lead to a messy change history. But I guess that is a maintenance issue rather than an operational one. | 15:33 |
| mordred | so I'd love to put our heads together and figure out a solution | 15:33 |
| mordred | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/dox/tree/dockerfiles for instance | 15:34 |
| larsks | Sure. | 15:35 |
| jeblair | [otoh, 30 repos might totally help us break the 500 project mark before paris and that'll look really good on jbryce's slides. but we probably don't need to make technical decisions based on jbryce's slides.] ;) | 15:35 |
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| larsks | mordred: So, the infra stuff builds and pushes to docker hub? Or builds and pushes to some infra-maintained registry? | 15:36 |
| mordred | yes. I would suggest pushign to dockerhub | 15:36 |
| sdake | our code base now builds and pushes to dockerhub | 15:36 |
| sdake | in one repo | 15:36 |
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| larsks | mordred: wait, I was asking if that process *already* exists in an automated fashion, not if that is something that *we* should do...I am now slightly confused. | 15:37 |
| jeblair | sdake: how do the credentials work for dockerhub? | 15:37 |
| mordred | no - it does not - but it's the thing we will want to do | 15:37 |
| mordred | because dockerhub autobuild is not an option | 15:37 |
| sdake | jeblair previously I was typing in a password | 15:37 |
| leakypipes | jeblair: +1 from me on andreas, anteaya and sdague :) | 15:37 |
| sdake | but now I created an organization -= not sure how that works :) | 15:37 |
| mordred | since it requires github linking | 15:37 |
| jeblair | leakypipes: yay! i'm so excited about this :) | 15:37 |
| * fungi would love to see us eventually ditch github entirely | 15:37 | |
| larsks | mordred: okay, so "we will want to do" but that service is not yet available? | 15:38 |
| leakypipes | jeblair: indeed, me too. and BTW, awesome work to the infra team for the breakout of that config code. | 15:38 |
| mordred | larsks: right. that will be a patch someone will need to write to infra - of course, it's a job that does "docker push" - and a puppet change to get the credentials onto the publication hosts ... | 15:38 |
| mordred | so it sholdn't be terribly hard | 15:38 |
| larsks | jeblair: credentials are acquired via something oauth like, I think...you run "docker login" and provide a username and password and you can a .dockercfg file with a token. | 15:38 |
| * mordred needs to think about the local build publication ... | 15:39 | |
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| mordred | larsks: let me take an action to think about the mechanics of that - it's been on my TDL for a bit, but I can bump it up higher | 15:39 |
| larsks | mordred: thanks. | 15:39 |
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| * mordred needs to learn about how docker push works as it relates to our trusted and untrusted slaves | 15:40 | |
| larsks | sdake: It seems pretty clear that if we're going to work in the #openstack-infra framework then we're going to need to stick with a single git repository for everything. So, onwards, I guess... | 15:40 |
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| larsks | sdake: But will have to manually build and push things for now. | 15:40 |
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| mordred | larsks: yah- if you guys can just do that for now, I'll work out the auto bit | 15:40 |
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| mordred | sdake, larsks: where is your current repo? | 15:41 |
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| jeblair | mordred: i imagine docker push will happen from a trusted slave. let's set it up like pypi. | 15:41 |
| mordred | jeblair: yes, I agree | 15:42 |
| larsks | mordred: no where useful right now :). What spawned this discussion was me wanting to move it somewhere more useful. | 15:42 |
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| mordred | larsks: gotcha :) | 15:42 |
| jeblair | mordred: i have an idea about how to make that happen from an untrusted slave, but it will have to wait 2 weeks ;) | 15:42 |
| mordred | jeblair: the thing I don't know is a) how I get the built containers to the trusted slave b) what ramifications there are in pushing that container to the trusted slave | 15:42 |
| clarkb | mordred can you do like glance and point dockerhub at a url? | 15:43 |
| mordred | jeblair: I'm assuming I can find a way to copy the untrusted - publish to tarballs - trusted - fetch from tarballs model | 15:43 |
| jeblair | mordred: why not just like pypi? | 15:43 |
| jeblair | yeah | 15:43 |
| mordred | jeblair: I just don't actually know the physical mechanics of that at this moment | 15:43 |
| clarkb | if so just swift/tarballs it and say go get image over there please | 15:43 |
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| larsks | mordred: does the infra stuff support submodules in git repositories? | 15:43 |
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| zaro | morning | 15:44 |
| mordred | larsks: we highly recommend against them - I'm honestly not sure if the zuul merger does the right thing with them | 15:45 |
| larsks | mordred: Okay, thanks. | 15:45 |
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| clarkb | mordred zuul should (its just merges no need to init or update submodules) | 15:45 |
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| clarkb | the cloning stuff though will likely fail | 15:46 |
| clarkb | in the jobs themselves | 15:46 |
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| jeblair | so... | 15:47 |
| jeblair | who owns the 'openstack' organization on hub.docker.com? | 15:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Add query for scheduling race bug 1372093 https://review.openstack.org/124428 | 15:48 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1372093 in tempest "QuotaClassesAdminTestJSON.test_update_default_quota() cause other tests to fail" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1372093 | 15:48 |
| jeblair | larsks: yeah, it's less of a technical decision and more of a workflow one. submodules are _really_ hard for a lot of developers to reason about and work with. | 15:48 |
| mordred | jeblair: that's an excellent question | 15:48 |
| jeblair | i just registered stackforge, but openstack is taken. | 15:49 |
| larsks | jeblair: Yeah, i've seen that. They make sense to me :). No worries, though; I think we will avoid the submodule solution. | 15:49 |
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| mordred | jeblair: I don't see it anywhere | 15:50 |
| jeblair | mordred: https://hub.docker.com/u/openstack/ | 15:50 |
| mordred | jeblair: oh - that's a user named openstack I think | 15:51 |
| zaro | clarkb: you have some time today? | 15:51 |
| jeblair | mordred: oh yep | 15:51 |
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| jeblair | https://registry.hub.docker.com/repos/openstack/ | 15:51 |
| jeblair | that's where it would be if it were an org | 15:51 |
| clarkb | zaro probably. whats up? | 15:52 |
| mordred | jeblair: you wanna contact the docker folks or want me to ? | 15:52 |
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| jeblair | but they share a namespace, so since there's an openstack user, no go. | 15:52 |
| zaro | clarkb: want to make jenkins-plugin release, but would like this change to go in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116347 | 15:52 |
| jeblair | mordred: it's not clear which method of contact should be used... :/ | 15:53 |
| zaro | clarkb: opps meant python-jenkins | 15:53 |
| mordred | jeblair: me either - I was thinking about info@docker.com ... or we could go poke eric windisch | 15:53 |
| clarkb | zaro is the version on http://docs-draft.openstack.org/47/116347/2/check/gate-python-jenkins-docs/d442d5b/doc/build/html/ correct? | 15:53 |
| jeblair | ya | 15:54 |
| clarkb | zaro I rechecked so that we could see ^ | 15:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Move notifications for pycadf from oslo to keystone https://review.openstack.org/124449 | 15:54 |
| jeblair | mordred: how about i email info and cc you and eric? | 15:54 |
| pleia2 | good morning | 15:54 |
| mordred | jeblair: sounds great | 15:54 |
| zaro | clarkb: i believe it is. | 15:54 |
| jeblair | mordred: what's your docker username? | 15:55 |
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| jeblair | erw: oh! you're here :) | 15:55 |
| clarkb | zaro 0.3.1 was the last tag? | 15:55 |
| mordred | jeblair: mordred@inaugust.com | 15:55 |
| zaro | clarkb: it was the last tag on master. | 15:55 |
| jeblair | mordred: username not email | 15:55 |
| clarkb | zaro perfect I think the version is correct then | 15:55 |
| zaro | clarkb: 0.3.4 is the last release but it was tagged on 3.0-fixes branch. | 15:56 |
| sdague | leakypipes: what did you +1 me on? :) | 15:56 |
| mordred | jeblair: ah, seems to be emonty | 15:56 |
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| jeblair | erw: we would like to have an 'openstack' organization on hub.docker.com, but that name seems to be taken by a user (with no repos). how can we have that transferred? | 15:57 |
| clarkb | zaro last question is pbr in requirements.txt? that change makes pbr a runtime requirement | 15:57 |
| leakypipes | sdague: you were nominated for project-config-core. | 15:57 |
| sdake | is openstack-infra/config available for changes now or is the repo frozen? | 15:57 |
| zaro | clarkb: yes it is. | 15:57 |
| mordred | sdake: you want openstack-infra/project-config now | 15:57 |
| sdake | mordred thanks | 15:58 |
| erw | jeblair: I’ll inquire. | 15:58 |
| zaro | clarkb: pbr>=0.8.2,<1.0 | 15:58 |
| jeblair | erw: awesome, thanks! | 15:58 |
| jeblair | mordred: i added you as an owner of the stackforge and openstackinfra orgs on hub. | 15:58 |
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| jeblair | mordred: hyphens are apparently not permitted | 15:58 |
| sdague | anyone know what you have to do to a python datetime to make it json serializable? | 15:59 |
| clarkb | zaro I dont see it http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/python-jenkins/tree/requirements.txt | 15:59 |
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| clarkb | sdague: convert to epoch time * 1000 | 16:00 |
| clarkb | ? | 16:00 |
| sdague | clarkb: maybe | 16:00 |
| jeblair | sdague: zuul does that | 16:01 |
| jeblair | int(self.enqueue_time * 1000) | 16:01 |
| jeblair | ha :) | 16:02 |
| zaro | clarkb: ohh your right. ugh! I was looking at jjb requirements. | 16:03 |
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| sdague | jeblair: nice | 16:04 |
| sdague | yeh, er does as well | 16:04 |
| zaro | clarkb: not sure how that works, but i do see pbr in http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/python-jenkins/tree/setup.py | 16:04 |
| sdague | I just had to realize where I went goofy | 16:04 |
| jeblair | we all need to realize that at some point | 16:04 |
| clarkb | zaro: it needs to be in requirements.txt if it is a runtime requirement | 16:05 |
| dimsum_ | sdague: jsonutils serializes it using timeutils.strtime(value) | 16:05 |
| clarkb | zaro so that packagers know they need it | 16:05 |
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| sdague | there has been so much confusion around people thinking that bugs are fixed when it's just that ES is very behind, that I'm trying to put data about current indexing delay on the recheck pages | 16:05 |
| sdague | so people don't read the flatlines as fixes | 16:06 |
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| zaro | clarkb: ok. i'll upload a new patch. | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | sdague: hey... wanted to bounce some ideas off of you if you have a few minutes? | 16:07 |
| sdague | jgriffith: sure | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | sdague: so on that LVM lockup issue | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | sdague: there's a couple of things I've been looking at | 16:08 |
| sdague | we should jump to -qa | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | sdague: good idea | 16:08 |
| sdague | mriedem was looking at it this morning as well | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | moving | 16:08 |
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| fungi | sdague: maybe tweak the graph generation so that the x axis maximum is that freshness value you're generating rather than now()? | 16:10 |
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| sdague | fungi: yeh, possibly, right now I just need to get my query for last indexed working right | 16:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Khai Do proposed a change to stackforge/python-jenkins: Setup pbr versioning for docs https://review.openstack.org/116347 | 16:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Dake proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Add Kolla Project https://review.openstack.org/124453 | 16:13 |
| zaro | clarkb: done ^ | 16:13 |
| clarkb | zaro thanks I think that should do it | 16:13 |
| clarkb | +1 | 16:14 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1317298 in tempest "timeout in wait_for_resource_deletion in tempest teardown" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1317298 | 16:16 |
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| flashgordon | the docs job at the top of the gate is taking over 1:45 hours | 16:31 |
| flashgordon | https://jenkins06.openstack.org/job/gate-nova-docs/6952/ | 16:31 |
| flashgordon | it looks like the upload file section is super duper slow | 16:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Specify ATC contribution start/end in seconds https://review.openstack.org/124459 | 16:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Ignore extra-atcs lines which look like comments https://review.openstack.org/124429 | 16:32 |
| flashgordon | clarkb: ^ | 16:33 |
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| reed | hi guys | 16:36 |
| pleia2 | morning reed | 16:37 |
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| reed | I have a patch for bug #1254911 : what's the best way to test it? should I just run it locally and see if it works, propose upstream? I don't think we have a wiki-dev machine, do we? | 16:38 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1254911 in openstack-ci "UniversalLanguageSelector breaks wiki skin" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1254911 | 16:38 |
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| pleia2 | reed: yeah, that's the best way, we don't have a wiki-dev machine, can nudge RyanLane when he's around too since he's our wiki guru | 16:40 |
| reed | cool, thanks pleia2 | 16:41 |
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| anteaya | woo I'm me again | 16:54 |
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| jeblair | courtesy of systemd, my laptop screen unlock procedure is: open lid; type in password; close lid; open lid. | 17:01 |
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| jeblair | oh. i should have kept that secret. it would have been more secure. | 17:01 |
| anteaya | jeblair: you get air circulation that way | 17:02 |
| valhallasw`cloud | jeblair: at least it's not open lid, close lid, repeat until the screensaver crashes ;-) | 17:02 |
| pleia2 | jeblair: I hope you enjoy your vacation :) | 17:02 |
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| mordred | jeblair: wow. | 17:03 |
| nibalizer | jeblair: that hillarious | 17:05 |
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| fungi | jeblair: at least it doesn't expect you to type your password with the lid closed... yet | 17:07 |
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| pleia2 | haha | 17:07 |
| pleia2 | that makes it extra secure | 17:08 |
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| AJaeger | jeblair: regarding openstack name on docker - let's ask berendt | 17:08 |
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| jeblair | AJaeger: do you think he may have registered it? | 17:08 |
| AJaeger | jeblair: berendt have been asking on openstack-infra a couple of weeks ago for registration but nobody replied, perhaps he then did it himself | 17:08 |
| fungi | the procedure will be: open lid, close lid, attach usb keyboard, type password, open lid, curse loudly, throw laptop at wall, eat lunch | 17:09 |
| AJaeger | jeblair: berendt is in the channel, I hope he reads this and answers - and I hope I did not mix anything up ;) | 17:09 |
| jeblair | AJaeger: i can't find anything in my email about it :/ | 17:10 |
| * AJaeger searches... | 17:10 | |
| jeblair | AJaeger: oh, it was vagrant: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2014-May/001244.html | 17:12 |
| jeblair | and oops. i think we may have all been distracted by summit around that time | 17:12 |
| fungi | and if he was asking in here, i don't find it in my channel logs | 17:13 |
| AJaeger | jeblair: so I mixed it up... | 17:13 |
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| fungi | at least not a couple weeks ago | 17:13 |
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| AJaeger | jeblair, fungi: Send an email to openstack-dev? | 17:16 |
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| AJaeger | fungi, jeblair, mordred: Could you review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124329/ , please? I missed to add a "not" ;( | 17:19 |
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| notmyname | where do stackforge projects do bug tracking? is there a common location? | 17:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed a change to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: add verbose mode to graph cmd https://review.openstack.org/124471 | 17:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed a change to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: update web pages to support additional date info https://review.openstack.org/124472 | 17:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed a change to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: add support for computing relevant dates https://review.openstack.org/124473 | 17:21 |
| fungi | notmyname: most of them use lp i think | 17:21 |
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| notmyname | fungi: ok, thanks | 17:21 |
| * AJaeger just reads openstack-dev - jeblair thanks for the kind invitation - and I'm glad to see anteaya been invited as well! | 17:22 | |
| AJaeger | ok, invitiation is not the right word... | 17:22 |
| anteaya | nomination | 17:23 |
| anteaya | and yes, brought tears to my eyes, thanks jeblair | 17:23 |
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| anteaya | and glad to see AJaeger and sdague nominated too | 17:23 |
| anteaya | :D | 17:23 |
| AJaeger | anteaya: thanks for helping me out. | 17:23 |
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| AJaeger | I agree with sdague as well! | 17:23 |
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| anteaya | AJaeger: :D we work well together | 17:24 |
| AJaeger | ++ | 17:25 |
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| anteaya | jeblair: yes, enjoy vacation! | 17:28 |
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| anteaya | okay so I really wanted tristanC to get some experience starting polls, but he seems to be afk | 17:30 |
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| anteaya | and I have the rolls now and feel the polls should be started | 17:30 |
| anteaya | harumph | 17:30 |
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| anteaya | I'll wait another 30 minutes, sorry to those waiting to vote, and then start them if tristanC isn't back around again | 17:30 |
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| anteaya | hope you can appreciate my wanting to let him have the experience | 17:31 |
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| notmyname | anteaya: it's interesting to me that there are only 2 ptl positions with more than one candidate | 17:32 |
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| sdague | what did we have last time? 5? neutron, cinder, nova, heat ... (I feel like there was another) | 17:33 |
| david-lyle | ceilometer | 17:34 |
| sdague | oh right | 17:34 |
| david-lyle | and tripleO I guess | 17:34 |
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| david-lyle | didn't remember that | 17:35 |
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| anteaya | notmyname: yes, I put it down to the big shake up at the tc level | 17:35 |
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| anteaya | I think programs are wanting to stay the course since it is anybody's guess what will be the structure coming out of paris | 17:36 |
| anteaya | and the only two programs with elections are the ones with ptls who stepped down | 17:36 |
| dhellmann_ | I think people are starting to see how much work and how little glory comes with the title. :-) | 17:36 |
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| anteaya | dhellmann: that too | 17:36 |
| fungi | indeed. note i didn't run ;) | 17:37 |
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| anteaya | yes, I noted that | 17:37 |
| dhellmann | it's not all early morning IRC meetings with ttx, you know | 17:37 |
| fungi | running for ptl comes with the (however slight) chance i might get stuck with the job | 17:37 |
| anteaya | fungi: I think you already have enough work with little glory as it is | 17:37 |
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| anteaya | dhellmann: those are the highlights are they not? | 17:38 |
| anteaya | fungi: yes, there is that | 17:38 |
| dhellmann | anteaya: you know it | 17:38 |
| anteaya | dhellmann: :D | 17:38 |
| dhellmann | anteaya: do you think you'll have time early next week to help review changes to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo/CreatingANewLibrary with the new repo layout changes? | 17:39 |
| anteaya | yes, early next week is good timing for me | 17:40 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'll try to put together a change | 17:40 |
| anteaya | after I do election starting (hopefully with tristanC) and david waiting for me in dev, I think I'm done for the day | 17:40 |
| anteaya | except for answering small questions | 17:40 |
| anteaya | dhellmann: thanks | 17:40 |
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| AJaeger | yeah, that page needs some revising - not only for the project-config stuff but also some conventions have changed. | 17:41 |
| AJaeger | I wonder whether we need the duplication of some parts or can point to other content instead | 17:42 |
| anteaya | AJaeger: would be awesome to have your input there too | 17:42 |
| AJaeger | anteaya: shall I give it a first go over and update the page now - and you fix everything I missed? | 17:43 |
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| AJaeger | or how do you want to review it? Are you doing this off-wiki? | 17:45 |
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| anteaya | AJaeger: oh that is a great idea | 17:46 |
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| anteaya | AJaeger: no idea, you go ahead and tell me what needs doing when you are finished | 17:46 |
| anteaya | don't wait for me | 17:46 |
| anteaya | and thanks | 17:46 |
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| fungi | i'm gonna step away to grab a late lunch, back as soon as i'm able | 17:48 |
| anteaya | kk | 17:49 |
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| AJaeger | dhellmann, anteaya: I changed everything to the best of my knowledge - now your turn to double check ;) | 17:58 |
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| anteaya | AJaeger: thanks | 17:59 |
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| anteaya | and tristanC is back now and we are setting up the polls, thanks for your patience | 18:03 |
| * AJaeger waves good-bye for now... | 18:03 | |
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| arosen | hi fungi i registered the python-congressclient on pypi and uploaded an initial version via; python setup.py sdist upload | 18:06 |
| arosen | ; though when i try to pip install python-congressclient on a clean machine i get: http://paste.openstack.org/show/115670/ any idea off hand what's wrong? | 18:06 |
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| arosen | fungi: sorry nvm the problem was that the version is a pre-release and i needed --pre | 18:13 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1317298 in tempest "timeout in wait_for_resource_deletion in tempest teardown" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1317298 | 18:27 |
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| hashar | hi! does anyone whether an Individual CLA is always required to send patches ? | 18:29 |
| hashar | I can't remember whether some repositories might not be subject to CLA | 18:29 |
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| anteaya | some repos don't need a cla | 18:30 |
| anteaya | however I do believe that gerrit will expect both a foundation membership and cla on first commit | 18:31 |
| anteaya | I don't know though | 18:31 |
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| anteaya | I guess if someone hasn't signed the cla they can try to submit a patch | 18:31 |
| anteaya | and if they get an error message, they should have details in the message | 18:32 |
| hashar | anteaya: ah I found out the per project Gerrit setting to require CLA or not: requireContributorAgreement :-) | 18:32 |
| anteaya | yes | 18:32 |
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| hashar | anteaya: thanks for the hint! | 18:32 |
| anteaya | np | 18:32 |
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| arosen | clarkb: i need to fill in %{DOCUMENT_ROOT HERE } here? What should %{REQUEST_FILENAME} be? | 18:54 |
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| clarkb | arosen: sorry ENOCONTEXT | 18:55 |
| arosen | ah sorry i meant to past this: https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/config/tree/modules/openstack_project/templates/logs.vhost.erb#n71 | 18:56 |
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| clarkb | arosen: no you don't need to fill that in. those are modrewrite variables | 18:57 |
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| leifmadsen | for gerritbot, can you specify a wildcard in the branches list? e.g. release/* | 19:28 |
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| anteaya | leifmadsen: I don't see a wildcard used in this gerritbot config file: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/gerritbot/channels.yaml | 19:35 |
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| anteaya | which isn't a no, it is I don't know | 19:35 |
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| leifmadsen | anteaya: cool thanks... I suspect it doesn't accept a wildcard, but we'll see. It definitely at least accepts it and doesn't freak out yet. | 19:36 |
| anteaya | or doesn't freakout in ways you can see | 19:36 |
| anteaya | let me know what you find | 19:36 |
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| pleia2 | I think I dropped "fix committed" from our bug days, so I think this one got lost, change to "fix released"? https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ci/+bug/1281319 | 19:37 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1281319 in openstack-ci "nodepool fails to startup when a cloud endpoint is offline" [High,Fix committed] | 19:37 |
| fungi | leifmadsen: it needs a good rewrite. at the moment it's a hard match on branch name. have a look at http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/gerritbot/tree/ and see if you spot an easy solution... patches welcome (and that's not a blow-off) | 19:37 |
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| leifmadsen | fungi: no that's fine. I've provided a patch here and there. It's not too big of a deal. If I find any free time (lol) then I'll take a stab at it :) | 19:38 |
| fungi | leifmadsen: also it should be easy to clone and test yourself if you want to hack on it | 19:38 |
| leifmadsen | for now I'll just know I need to specify the branches. Kind of doesn't match up with all our workflows, but it is what it is :) | 19:38 |
| zaro | hashar: one more time please? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104004 | 19:38 |
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| anteaya | pleia2: ah I don't know, what state is the fix in? | 19:39 |
| fungi | pleia2: yes, i think lifeless or one of the other tripleo-ers patched that for us | 19:39 |
| anteaya | do we do releases of nodepool? | 19:39 |
| fungi | anteaya: oh, good point | 19:39 |
| pleia2 | the patch is "fix committed" back in February | 19:39 |
| pleia2 | so I want to assume it's gone in | 19:39 |
| fungi | anteaya: we definitely should anyway | 19:39 |
| pleia2 | we actually have a fair number of "fix committed" bugs that should be looked at, I'll modify my lp script real quick to get a full list | 19:40 |
| fungi | anteaya: pleia2: yeah technically no nodepool bugs are fix-released unless we consider it a direct-release cd model (because at least so far it has no tags) | 19:40 |
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| pleia2 | yeah | 19:40 |
| pleia2 | but if it's in production..? | 19:41 |
| fungi | every commit is a release! | 19:41 |
| pleia2 | :) | 19:41 |
| anteaya | :D | 19:41 |
| fungi | and yeah, stick it on a future infra team meeting agenda so we can discuss the possibility that it's due to get actual versions and releases once jeblair is back from vacationland | 19:41 |
| anteaya | that makes it easy | 19:41 |
| pleia2 | ok | 19:42 |
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| anteaya | are we having a bug day? did I miss an announcement? | 19:43 |
| hashar | zaro: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104004 is a storyboard change :] | 19:43 |
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| hashar | zaro: sorry I have been quite busy with children instance #2 and zuul cloner (it is in prod for us now \O/) | 19:44 |
| anteaya | hashar: how is child instance #2 doing? | 19:44 |
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| anteaya | ensuring noone sleeps? | 19:44 |
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| hashar | anteaya: she is very quiet! and already sleeping 8-9 hours straight :] | 19:45 |
| anteaya | you lucky father you | 19:45 |
| anteaya | \o/ | 19:45 |
| anteaya | wow | 19:45 |
| anteaya | what 2 weeks old? | 19:45 |
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| pleia2 | if anyone wants a fun friday afternoon task ;) https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cibugreview-fix-committed-sept25 | 19:46 |
| fungi | anteaya: tristanC: i voted--thank you for being election officials! | 19:46 |
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| zaro | hashar: sorry about that. this is quick one, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116347/ | 19:47 |
| fungi | pleia2: i recently ranked a list of ways i like to spend my friday afternoons and somehow completely forgot to put that on the list | 19:47 |
| pleia2 | imagine that! | 19:48 |
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| zaro | hashar: i know how children instances are, don't worry about it if you can't get to it. | 19:48 |
| hashar | zaro: that one is quite easy :] | 19:49 |
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| zaro | hashar: good sleeper? nice! | 19:49 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/subunit2sql: Add subunit2sql-db-manage utility https://review.openstack.org/118418 | 19:49 |
| hashar | zaro: while you are around, I noticed a blueprint or spec that propose repositories to have a 'docs' tox env. Might want to update jjb / jenkins | 19:49 |
| fungi | zaro: hashar: it would be so much easier if they were just subthreads instead of independent child processes? | 19:49 |
| hashar | fungi: the advantage of child processes, is that they can detach :) | 19:50 |
| fungi | ooh, point for hashar | 19:50 |
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| zaro | hashar: i think mordred already has a change for that. | 19:51 |
| hashar | zaro: yeah Zuul got it | 19:51 |
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| anteaya | fungi: yay | 19:51 |
| * zaro dreams of detaching processes.. | 19:52 | |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 19:52 |
| fungi | zaro: </dev/null >/dev/null 2>&1 & | 19:52 |
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| zaro | .. back to the real world | 19:53 |
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| hashar | zaro: I remember dealing once with pbr version system, but can't remember wich repo / patch :-( | 19:55 |
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| anteaya | pleia2: sorry and don't take this the wrong way, but not today | 19:56 |
| anteaya | I'll add it to Monday's list | 19:56 |
| anteaya | and what is with that aweful yellow | 19:56 |
| anteaya | how can etherpad even offer that as a colour option | 19:56 |
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| pleia2 | haha, it's just what it gave me | 19:57 |
| anteaya | well give it back | 19:57 |
| anteaya | ewww | 19:57 |
| anteaya | please | 19:57 |
| pleia2 | there, green | 19:57 |
| anteaya | ah pretty | 19:57 |
| anteaya | thank you | 19:57 |
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| anteaya | I don't think I have ever met a green or blue I didnt' like | 19:57 |
| pleia2 | and no rush really, it's just some cleanup, I was going through some bugs and kept finding "hey, that one is fixed!" and it was annoying :) | 19:57 |
| anteaya | good idea | 19:58 |
| anteaya | glad you are doing it | 19:58 |
| anteaya | but cleanup is good | 19:58 |
| hashar | zaro: ah a patch to Zuul https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87948/ which make sure the sha1 is in ( zuul_version_info.release_string ) | 19:58 |
| anteaya | and bug cleanup is good too | 19:58 |
| fungi | annoyance is the cause of many a good accomplishment | 19:58 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 19:58 |
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| zaro | hashar: is that a question? | 20:02 |
| hashar | zaro: I am mumbling sorry. Seems pbr version_info provides a bunch of different version strings | 20:03 |
| zaro | hashar: i think i will release python-jenkins today and just wanted that change to be included. | 20:03 |
| hashar | yeah | 20:03 |
| pleia2 | so, do jjb and jeepyb also not have releases? | 20:03 |
| hashar | canonical_version_string 0.3.1.9 | 20:03 |
| hashar | version_string_with_vcs 0.3.1.9.g21d604c | 20:03 |
| hashar | release_string 0.3.1.9.g21d604c | 20:03 |
| anteaya | pleia2: I think jjb does | 20:04 |
| zaro | pleia2: jjb does | 20:04 |
| anteaya | pleia2: I do not think jeepyb does | 20:04 |
| pleia2 | ah good, looks like just some dangling jjb bugs then | 20:04 |
| pleia2 | thanks :) | 20:04 |
| anteaya | zaro: someone was asking when to expect a new jjb release | 20:04 |
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| zaro | yes, i told mika i would do one next week. | 20:06 |
| anteaya | awesome | 20:06 |
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| hashar | zaro: lame nitpick at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116347/3/doc/source/conf.py,unified i.e. which string to use :] | 20:07 |
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| hashar | zaro: release_string and canonical_version_string are essentially the same, though the later strip alpha/beta tags (which we don't use for python-jenkins anyway) | 20:08 |
| zaro | hashar: i believe i got that from jjb | 20:08 |
| tristanC | Hello folks, so the PTL elections for Cinder and TripleO are now open, see: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/047286.html | 20:08 |
| zaro | hashar: so it will look like jjb | 20:08 |
| tristanC | Many thanks to anteaya for guiding me through the steps to run these elections :) | 20:09 |
| zaro | hashar: Jenkins Job Builder 0.8.1.99.g686265a documentation | 20:09 |
| pleia2 | thanks tristanC \o/ and anteaya :) | 20:09 |
| hashar | zaro: yeah I think it is fine. I am just not sure what is the recommended one to use :] | 20:09 |
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| hashar | zaro: last , it adds pbr as a dependency. I am fine with it myself since it is well packaged nowadays | 20:10 |
| anteaya | tristanC: good work, I appreciate your attention to detail | 20:10 |
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| hashar | zaro: +2ed! | 20:11 |
| zaro | hashar: thanks. | 20:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/python-jenkins: Setup pbr versioning for docs https://review.openstack.org/116347 | 20:18 |
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| flashgordon | fungi: we are hitting a gate reset and mriedem has two nova gate bug fix patches that could help | 20:21 |
| flashgordon | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124418 | 20:21 |
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| flashgordon | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123510 | 20:21 |
| mriedem | flashgordon: wouldn't mind getting this logging help in too https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124448/ | 20:23 |
| flashgordon | hmm the window is closing, clarkb ^ | 20:23 |
| mriedem | that's fine | 20:23 |
| mriedem | just promote all my stuff :) | 20:23 |
| flashgordon | mriedem: yeah I am noticing a trend | 20:24 |
| mriedem | those 3 are related to gate bugs at least | 20:24 |
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| jeblair | flashgordon: what's the 'window'? | 20:24 |
| flashgordon | jeblair: window where the reset is still happening before the gate settles down and new jobs are run | 20:25 |
| fungi | flashgordon: mriedem: happy to help | 20:25 |
| jeblair | flashgordon: flashgordon can you provide 'change,patchset' for each of those? | 20:25 |
| flashgordon | jeblair: window where least amount of lost gate time is incurred | 20:25 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124418/1 | 20:26 |
| fungi | and yeah, what jeblair said. making sure you mention the change and patchset number and whether it's already approved and in the gate helps | 20:26 |
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| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124448/2 | 20:26 |
| flashgordon | 124418,1 123510,1 124448,1 | 20:26 |
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| flashgordon | 124418,1 123510,1 124448,2 | 20:26 |
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| mriedem | yeah those | 20:26 |
| fungi | ...is that your final answer? | 20:26 |
| mriedem | they are all approved | 20:26 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 20:26 |
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| jeblair | Exception: Unable to find 124448,2 in queue <ChangeQueue gate: integrated> | 20:26 |
| mriedem | select * where owner==mriedem | 20:27 |
| mriedem | 124448 was just approved | 20:27 |
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| fungi | sounds like that one hasn't made it out of the check pipeline yet | 20:27 |
| mriedem | leave it | 20:27 |
| mriedem | not as critical | 20:27 |
| flashgordon | fungi: ahh you are correct, the last one hasn't passed check | 20:27 |
| mriedem | just trying ot get more logging when a gate failures happens | 20:27 |
| mriedem | but it's not a top gate bug | 20:27 |
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| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124418/1 is the money patch :) | 20:28 |
| jeblair | i can enqueue it (since it's involved in gate debugging), but you have to promise it totally will pass :) | 20:28 |
| jeblair | or i can drop it | 20:28 |
| flashgordon | my vote is let it pass check first | 20:28 |
| mriedem | it's just logging an exception, should be pretty safe | 20:28 |
| mriedem | but yeah doesn't matter to me | 20:28 |
| jeblair | okay i just did the 1st 2 | 20:28 |
| flashgordon | jeblair: thanks | 20:29 |
| mriedem | thanks guys | 20:29 |
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| lifeless | mordred: ping | 20:41 |
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| dstufft | sdague: fwiw the minimum was only ever added to pytz because pytz's versions were not PEP 440 compliant | 21:02 |
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| dstufft | and adding an "invalid" minimum versino triggered pip to install them | 21:02 |
| dstufft | the commit messge from mordred refrenced the fact that he just looked for the oldest version of pytz in the Distros | 21:03 |
| dstufft | but idc which way it goes | 21:03 |
| sdague | dstufft: so ... in general, we want a defined minimum, because we've gotten boned on that before | 21:04 |
| sdague | of "it's not possible someone has something from the stone ages" | 21:04 |
| sdague | totally possible | 21:04 |
| dstufft | that's fine with me | 21:04 |
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| sdague | and it looks like 2013 would be a 440 compliant minimum, and shouldn't be disruptive to people | 21:04 |
| dstufft | I jsut dropped the constraint since the history had indicated that the only reason the constraint had been added was to work around their invalid versions | 21:05 |
| dstufft | but I can switch it to 2013 | 21:05 |
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| sdague | dstufft: awesome | 21:05 |
| sdague | can you also push a backport to the stable/icehouse & stable/havana requirements for that | 21:05 |
| fungi | don't bother with stable/havana if you don't have to... i expect to delete it ~tuesday | 21:06 |
| sdague | fungi: the final release is done? | 21:06 |
| sdague | fungi: if there are no more releases, then sure | 21:06 |
| fungi | sdague: 2013.2.4 was the final havana point release, and was announced for all havana integrated projects on tuesday of this week (three days ago) | 21:07 |
| sdague | if there is going to be another release, we should change it | 21:07 |
| sdague | fungi: oh, I missed that | 21:07 |
| sdague | ok, ignore havana | 21:07 |
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| fungi | so, yeah, it's buhbye as soon as i find free cycles to make it so | 21:07 |
| sdague | fungi: do you have the test job deletes proposed? | 21:07 |
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| fungi | technically we said we were only going to support it through the j-3 milestone, but kept the shingle hanging out for a few extra weeks since the point release was scheduled a little beyond that | 21:08 |
| fungi | sdague: not yet. tonight or monday depending on what my weekend looks like | 21:08 |
| sdague | ok | 21:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Donald Stufft proposed a change to openstack/requirements: Switch to using pytz>2013 https://review.openstack.org/124250 | 21:08 |
| fungi | i won't delete the branches until the grenade jobs for icehouse are disabled, at a minimum | 21:08 |
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| sdague | dstufft: how long until everything is "the screwed" by pip on that? | 21:09 |
| fungi | since otherwise it would break icehouse jobs | 21:09 |
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| dstufft | sdague: dunno, sometime | 21:11 |
| dstufft | next version of pip | 21:11 |
| sdague | dstufft: do you have a less timey-wimey wibbly-wobbly date? | 21:11 |
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| sdague | ok, is that in a week, a month, a few months? | 21:12 |
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| dstufft | probably more than a month, less than a few months | 21:12 |
| sdague | ok | 21:12 |
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| sdague | we should make the stable-maint team aware so that there is another icehouse release before then | 21:12 |
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| sdague | with the updated requirement | 21:12 |
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| flashgordon | mordred: what happened to your investigation on using rebuild in nodepool? | 21:13 |
| mordred | flashgordon: never got around to it | 21:13 |
| flashgordon | mordred: oh :/ I am still interested in hearing your findings there | 21:13 |
| mordred | flashgordon: it will require reworking nodepool's scheduler | 21:14 |
| mordred | in that it will need to decide when it deletes something if it needs more of those things and therefore should rebuild | 21:14 |
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| flashgordon | mordred: right, do you have any preliminary results of how fast rebuild is versus delete and boot | 21:15 |
| fungi | i'd bet there are a lot of environmental factors involved | 21:16 |
| fungi | for example, a big delay in the rax delete-and-boot cycle is waiting for them to recycle and reassogn ipv4 addresses | 21:17 |
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| flashgordon | fungi: yeah I think your right, that is why I was wondering if there were real world results versus devstack comparisions | 21:18 |
| sdague | honestly, because it's snapshots, I think a big piece of it is transfering the glance image | 21:19 |
| sdague | because you are very unlikely to have a warm cache | 21:19 |
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| dhellmann | does anyone know why the specs repositories run the py27 check and gate jobs? | 21:22 |
| flashgordon | dhellmann: nova-specs? | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | flashgordon: well, specifically oslo-specs but we probably just copied what nova-specs was doing | 21:23 |
| dhellmann | do you guys have code in your specs repo? | 21:23 |
| sdague | there are validators for nova-specs | 21:23 |
| sdague | which are done as unit tests | 21:23 |
| dhellmann | ah | 21:23 |
| flashgordon | dhellmann: yeah we do things like make sure they follow the outline, 80 line limit etc | 21:24 |
| flashgordon | dhellmann: as people in the past would delete sections | 21:24 |
| flashgordon | and its hard to look at a doc and figure out what section is missing | 21:24 |
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| sdague | reusing the unit test framework was more straight forward than making something that fit in hacking / pep8 space | 21:24 |
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| dhellmann | sure, that makes sense, it just wasn't obvious that's what was going on since we don't have that for oslo-specs | 21:25 |
| dhellmann | I had to wait for a test node to merge some changes that should have gone right through :-) | 21:25 |
| lifeless | sdague: +1 on using unittest for source checks | 21:25 |
| lifeless | sdague: one qa entry point to rule them all | 21:25 |
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| dhellmann | oh, hmm, we have different templates for different uses, so I'm not sure this would adapt directly | 21:25 |
| sdague | dhellmann: well, you could write different tests for different templates | 21:26 |
| sdague | also, you may have better proposers | 21:26 |
| dhellmann | I guess we could read a comment to figure out which template to check against | 21:26 |
| dhellmann | certainly fewer | 21:26 |
| sdague | let's say some of the nova proposers.... created very weird things | 21:27 |
| dhellmann | I think I'm going to punt on this for now and just ask to have the job turned off to cut down on waste | 21:27 |
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| dhellmann | we'll figure something out if it becomes necessary, but most of our specs are submitted by cores so we can tease them if they mess up | 21:27 |
| flashgordon | I think the nova-specs tests read the template from the file | 21:27 |
| dhellmann | sdague: if you're interested, we could do all of these checks with a sphinx extension, too, I'm sure. Cut down on the number of jobs being run. | 21:29 |
| dhellmann | flashgordon: yeah, it reads the file, but we would need to know for each spec which file to read -- we have different templates for features and graduation work | 21:29 |
| dhellmann | or we could combine them, but having separate templates felt like the right solution to that problem | 21:29 |
| mordred | lifeless: sup? | 21:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Do not run unit test jobs for oslo-specs https://review.openstack.org/124517 | 21:30 |
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| flashgordon | I have two more gate bug fixing patches for when there is another gate reset | 21:32 |
| * flashgordon watches the gate | 21:32 | |
| flashgordon | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122291/ | 21:32 |
| fungi | mordred: while you're about and sentient, do you recall the process for adding a stable branch in the openstack/openstack repo? | 21:32 |
| flashgordon | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123023 | 21:32 |
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| sdague | flashgordon: as soon as the next patch merges, I'd say it's safe | 21:33 |
| flashgordon | sdague: so the second patch in the gate hit the but that one of the patches above will fix | 21:33 |
| mordred | fungi: I believe it's "cry a lot, then get drunk" | 21:33 |
| flashgordon | and the other patch fixes the bug that that patch hit and got bounced out of the gate | 21:33 |
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| flashgordon | fungi mordred: shouldn't it be the same as create a branch for any repo? | 21:34 |
| fungi | mordred: okay, great--i'm already halfway there | 21:34 |
| sdague | the in-use nodes are grinding down over time as well | 21:34 |
| mordred | flashgordon: nope. submoduels | 21:34 |
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| fungi | flashgordon: the trick is finding the git sha for the "commit" you want to branch in it | 21:34 |
| flashgordon | mordred: ohh right that would be the second step | 21:34 |
| sdague | yeh, I think tears | 21:34 |
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| mordred | fungi: you need to do the thing to make a commit that makes each submodule point to the right thing | 21:34 |
| fungi | mordred: oh... got it | 21:34 |
| mordred | fungi: except that involves editing .gitmodules I THINK to refernce the appropriate gerrit branch as well | 21:34 |
| sdague | flashgordon: also if you took a look at - https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/elastic-recheck+branch:master+topic:delay,n,z - that would give us the ES delay on the page | 21:34 |
| sdague | and solve a lot of confusion | 21:35 |
| mordred | fungi: so that they track the right thing | 21:35 |
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| flashgordon | sdague: yeah will look at that when I get home and have a faster connection so I can run it locally first | 21:35 |
| sdague | cool | 21:35 |
| mordred | fungi: I've also been meaning to figure out a nice way to do a tag on openstack/openstack that has all of the submodules at the appropriate tag | 21:35 |
| flashgordon | sdague: I agree landing that will be super helpful | 21:35 |
| fungi | mordred: i forgot that the project actually had file contents besides the submodules themselves. that gives me a new avenue to pursure... thanks | 21:36 |
| lifeless | mordred: still blocked on pbr release on agreeing on the semver alteration which I want your input on as you did the semver 'spec' that my work riffed on | 21:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Khai Do proposed a change to stackforge/python-jenkins: Add a get_plugin_info method https://review.openstack.org/123932 | 21:39 |
| mordred | lifeless: okie | 21:39 |
| mordred | lifeless: where is it? I don't see any patches from you in pbr ... | 21:40 |
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| lifeless | mordred: no, its called a discussion :) | 21:41 |
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| lifeless | mordred: in the semver.rst inthe pbr tree it says that dev and prerelease versions are not comparable | 21:41 |
| lifeless | mordred: this is what gives us 1.2.3.dev *or 1.2.3.0a1 | 21:42 |
| lifeless | mordred: but see https://bugs.launchpad.net/pbr/+bug/1370608 | 21:42 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1370608 in pbr "pbr mishandling alpha tags" [Critical,Fix committed] | 21:42 |
| lifeless | mordred: when we pip install an alpha | 21:42 |
| lifeless | erm | 21:43 |
| lifeless | pip install a dev version | 21:43 |
| lifeless | and there is an alpha of the same thing on pypi | 21:43 |
| lifeless | the pip install of the next thing that *depends on $project-in-question* will 'upgrade' to the alpha | 21:43 |
| lifeless | [if the alpha is in requirements] | 21:43 |
| lifeless | it does this because the alpha isn't lower than the dev version | 21:43 |
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| mordred | yah | 21:44 |
| lifeless | one way to fix this is to not ever depend on rc versions | 21:44 |
| lifeless | some folk would argue this is the only sane way | 21:44 |
| mordred | sure. but sanity doesn't always prevail | 21:44 |
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| lifeless | another way to fix this is to shove the dev version to be a suffix after either full releases *or* rc's | 21:45 |
| lifeless | the only reason I had for not doing that is that you'd written this fork of semver and I was following it | 21:45 |
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| lifeless | so dev versions would have a defined precedence with respect to any non-dev version | 21:45 |
| mordred | yah. and I think the motivation for that was the bit in pep440 that strongly discouraged doing such a thing | 21:45 |
| lifeless | pep440 is now the union of all possible version schemes anywhere | 21:46 |
| mordred | and it seemed like if we were writing a spec, we should adopt the strong recommendations ... but we may have found a place where it's the 'right' thing | 21:46 |
| mordred | or the less hard thing | 21:46 |
| lifeless | so we don't need to care about pep440 | 21:46 |
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| lifeless | we need to care about semver, since pep440 will deal | 21:46 |
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| lifeless | we can also re-evaluate the 0a1 thing, if we want to. | 21:46 |
| mordred | lifeless: well, we DO need to care about the restrictions pep440 has that pip will enforce | 21:47 |
| lifeless | mordred: you don't understand | 21:47 |
| mordred | I may not | 21:47 |
| lifeless | mordred: pep440 no longer has any menaingful restrictions | 21:47 |
| mordred | what? | 21:47 |
| lifeless | mordred: its now defined as 'any version uploaded to pypi ever' | 21:47 |
| mordred | really? | 21:47 |
| lifeless | mordred: to all intents and purposes | 21:47 |
| mordred | dstufft: ^^ aroo? | 21:48 |
| lifeless | anyhow, leave pep-440 mangling to me | 21:48 |
| lifeless | pbr is our local policy | 21:48 |
| mordred | ok. so let's step away from syntax for just a sec | 21:48 |
| lifeless | you wrote the semver bit, focus on that | 21:48 |
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| mordred | and talk intent for a second | 21:48 |
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| mordred | in the case where we are producing generated versions that indicate additional patches past a declared version, I kinda think we want to always base that on the most recent declared version | 21:49 |
| mordred | "this is X revisions away from the last thing I know about" | 21:50 |
| lifeless | yeah | 21:50 |
| mordred | (at least - ignoring better version calc math) | 21:50 |
| lifeless | this is expressly prohibited by the current semver prose in the pbr tree | 21:50 |
| mordred | k. sure. forget all of that for a sec | 21:50 |
| lifeless | k | 21:51 |
| mordred | in the case where we are producing versions that lead up to a declared version that is not yet tagged | 21:51 |
| mordred | I believe this exercise has led me to believe that we should stop trying to calculate "this is leading up to a version" as soon as someone declares a version that leads up to a version | 21:51 |
| lifeless | oh | 21:51 |
| lifeless | so no I don't agree with your first statement | 21:52 |
| lifeless | about basing on a declared version | 21:52 |
| mordred | ok | 21:52 |
| mordred | why not? | 21:52 |
| lifeless | we now always know the next declarable version | 21:52 |
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| lifeless | e.g. 1.2.3.0a2 we know that the next version can be 1.2.3.0a3 | 21:52 |
| lifeless | this has harmonised the codepaths for preversioning and postversioning | 21:53 |
| mordred | ok | 21:53 |
| dhellmann | lifeless, mordred : you've seen the thread sdague started about not using alphas any more, right? | 21:53 |
| lifeless | now preversioning is a different hint for the next declarable version | 21:53 |
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| mordred | dhellmann: no. should I go read it before finishing this conversation? | 21:53 |
| lifeless | and a policy check that that hint is greater than the inferred minimum | 21:53 |
| lifeless | dhellmann: we need to fix this anyway | 21:53 |
| dhellmann | mordred: no new info, just less resistance from me | 21:53 |
| lifeless | dhellmann: so I think its irrelevant | 21:53 |
| lifeless | dhellmann: this was a non trivial wart during implementation | 21:54 |
| dhellmann | lifeless: ok, I just wanted to make sure | 21:54 |
| mordred | kk | 21:54 |
| dhellmann | if we don't care about alphas, then what we have today generates the right values | 21:54 |
| fungi | ...for us | 21:54 |
| dhellmann | yes | 21:55 |
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| mordred | I think we still have to solve it | 21:55 |
| dhellmann | ok | 21:55 |
| mordred | so that tagging a repo doesn't screw someone doing CD from git master unwittingly | 21:55 |
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| fungi | agreed. even if it ends up no longer being of direct benefit to our use case, i do think it's reasonably worth solving | 21:55 |
| dhellmann | here's the thread, for when you have time: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/047280.html | 21:55 |
| dhellmann | certainly | 21:56 |
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| mordred | lifeless: ok. so I think I'm up to speed in my brain hole on the premise and issues again | 21:56 |
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| mordred | lifeless: do you have a suggestion as to a path forward or a way you think is better? | 21:56 |
| mordred | assuming that perhaps the semver spec could be wrong | 21:56 |
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| lifeless | mordred: so, I'd like to do two changes to the semver spec | 21:58 |
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| lifeless | mordred: I'd like to define a precedence between dev versions and any non-dev version | 21:58 |
| lifeless | by saying that its a suffix that sorts before | 21:59 |
| dhellmann | anteaya: I believe that, with some significant help from andreas, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo/CreatingANewLibrary is now up to date. Would you please review it at your convenience? | 21:59 |
| mordred | lifeless: will pip honor that? | 21:59 |
| lifeless | so 1.2.3.0a1.dev5 is < 1.2.3.0a1 | 21:59 |
| mordred | k. | 21:59 |
| dhellmann | wait, before? | 21:59 |
| dhellmann | I thought that's what we effectively have now? | 21:59 |
| lifeless | mordred: yes, it does | 22:00 |
| lifeless | X.YaN.devM # Developmental release of an alpha release | 22:00 |
| fungi | if you've tagged 1.2.3.0a1 and then added 5 commits on top of it, i would want that to be considered newer than the tag | 22:00 |
| dhellmann | fungi: ++ | 22:00 |
| lifeless | fungi: that would get version 1.2.3.0a2.dev5 | 22:00 |
| fungi | ohh... got it | 22:00 |
| lifeless | fungi: or 1.2.4.dev5 | 22:00 |
| fungi | so devN is also pre-versioning to the next tag | 22:00 |
| dhellmann | oh, ew, ok | 22:01 |
| lifeless | we can't base a dev version on the prior tag | 22:01 |
| lifeless | because its sort before | 22:01 |
| lifeless | quoting pep 440 | 22:01 |
| lifeless | "The developmental release segment consists of the string .dev, followed by a non-negative integer value. Developmental releases are ordered by their numerical component, immediately before the corresponding release (and before any pre-releases with the same release segment), and following any ..." | 22:01 |
| mordred | yah | 22:01 |
| mordred | so I agree with the words you've said so far | 22:01 |
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| lifeless | our requirement is that a local dev version with a last release the same as whats on pypi, whether alpha or not, be a higher version than that thing on pypi | 22:02 |
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| fungi | i can see that working, just have to reverse my brain from my earlier expectations about post-versioning from any tag which is working toward the next declared release | 22:02 |
| lifeless | our current code doesn't honour that | 22:02 |
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| mordred | yup. I think it's important to honor that | 22:03 |
| lifeless | alhthough | 22:03 |
| lifeless | I think I need to do some experiments | 22:03 |
| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/pbr/+bug/1370608 may be measurement error from the failure to honour the tag | 22:03 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1370608 in pbr "pbr mishandling alpha tags" [Critical,Fix committed] | 22:03 |
| fungi | the added testsuite is awesome though. makes experiments much easier ;) | 22:03 |
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| lifeless | indeed, is how I roll :) | 22:07 |
| dstufft | lifeless: mordred PEP 440 isn't "any version ever uploaded to PyPI" but we did attempt to maintain compatability where we could and it made sense through a normalization scheme (where something like 1.0-1 normalizes to 1.0.post1 etc) | 22:08 |
| dstufft | fwiw tooling will perform the normalization for you | 22:09 |
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| lifeless | dstufft: to all intents an purposes :) | 22:10 |
| dstufft | so unless you want your tags to be different than what/s on PyPI you'll want to make sure that what you generate is the "normal" form | 22:10 |
| dstufft | but that's all just syntax really | 22:10 |
| lifeless | mordred: dhellmann: so, I'm going to do some experiments | 22:12 |
| lifeless | I think we maybe we're ok but if not I'll propose a doc change to semver.rst and fro there code | 22:12 |
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| dhellmann | lifeless: ok | 22:13 |
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| lifeless | mordred: also, 1.2.3.0a1 - nick tells me that 1.2.3.a1 is now pep440 comaptible, we might want to consider dropping the 0 - again you had that in there, my understanding last time we spoke was that it was semver upstream aesthetic, but I'm less convinced of the need there as time goes y | 22:14 |
| lifeless | by | 22:14 |
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| dstufft | lifeless: fwiw tooling will normalize 1.2.3.a1 to 1.2.3a1 | 22:16 |
| dstufft | if you care | 22:16 |
| lifeless | mm, we might | 22:16 |
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| lifeless | because a major/minor/patch analyss then has to parse out 3a1 | 22:16 |
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| mordred | lifeless: I'm fine either way | 22:17 |
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| dstufft | lifeless: there's also a lib which will parse PEP 440 versions for you fwiw | 22:20 |
| lifeless | dstufft: yes but we don't want pbr to have deps | 22:20 |
| lifeless | dstufft: and I'm allergic to vendoring | 22:21 |
| dstufft | reimplementing it is inferior to vendoring imo | 22:21 |
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| fungi | i'm not convinced that multiple implementations of a standardized specification is inferior to a single implementation of a specification | 22:22 |
| fungi | it could be argued that unless there are at least two implementations, the spec is not a standard ;) | 22:22 |
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| dstufft | multiple implementations with different properties is useful, if for example you dislike the API or whatever | 22:23 |
| dstufft | multiple implementions because you dislike vendoring is pointless imo | 22:23 |
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| dstufft | (besides there's already two implementations of PEP 440 anyways) | 22:24 |
| fungi | and anyway, the no-dependencies-nothing-vendored requirement is a pretty solid necessity | 22:24 |
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| dhellmann | what is the difference between building our own and vendoring another version? | 22:25 |
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| fungi | since we're not going to be able to make pbr work effectively if it needs to depend on other libraries (so as to avoid circular dependencies on itself) but there are multiple distros who will refuse to carry any code we vendor in the library, which would effectively break concern #1 on those platforms | 22:25 |
| lifeless | dstufft: but we don't hav the sameusecase; we don't need to support all of pep440 | 22:26 |
| lifeless | dstufft: so I'm shrug on this | 22:26 |
| dhellmann | fungi: that feels a bit circular, but ok. | 22:26 |
| lifeless | dstufft: we're not implementing pep-440 | 22:26 |
| fungi | dhellmann: the point being that pbr needs to have no library outside dependencies, and one possible solution to that is to embed those outside libraries in pbr instead, but there are distros who would require that be stripped back out, leaving it potentially broken | 22:27 |
| dstufft | fungi: I get pretty angry at distros, they can go unvendor shit if they want, I don't care but I don't let them dictate my application design :) | 22:28 |
| dstufft | they whine about pip having requests too, which I think is really stupid, because the alternative is we reimplement TLS verification which is incredibly dumb | 22:28 |
| dhellmann | fungi: yeah, I got that, but functionally there's no difference between copying something and writing a different version | 22:28 |
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| fungi | dstufft: i personally understand the needs there, and would not want to relive the zlib fiasco | 22:28 |
| dhellmann | fungi: except, I guess, different sets of bugs :-) | 22:29 |
| dstufft | fungi: yea but if you're in a case where a dependency is absolutely not alright, you either vendor or reinvent | 22:29 |
| dstufft | it would be lots of fun if instead of the zlib fiasco we had similar bugs across half a dozen different implementations | 22:29 |
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| dstufft | the answer is invent better tooling to work with vendoring for when it makes sense, not stick your head in the sand and pretend one size fits all | 22:30 |
| fungi | dstufft: well, the problem is software which doesn't have a technical need to embed third-party libs doing so anyway out of convenience, which leads to proliferation of slightly different versions of the same code | 22:30 |
| dstufft | fungi: sure, software shouldn't do that, but techincal need is hard to define | 22:30 |
| fungi | and also hard to judge | 22:30 |
| * mordred thinks that distros should do a better job of allowing multipe versions of libraries | 22:31 | |
| * mordred is not popular with distros for the most part | 22:31 | |
| fungi | some distros do/did | 22:31 |
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| mordred | because if pip could declare a depends on == requests AND the world didn't break by them doing so, I'd feel I had more standing to say that vendoring requests is a bad choice | 22:31 |
| fungi | sco osr did... rpath did (via conary)... mac os in its various incarnations did as well... most of them did it by avoiding shared libraries, but they also usually significantly limited what they were willing to provide security support on | 22:32 |
| mordred | but since the tooling actually does not support that very well, I think that yelling at them for vendoring is poor form | 22:32 |
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| jeblair | man it's really friday in here isn't it? | 22:33 |
| mordred | jeblair: :) | 22:33 |
| dstufft | mordred: yea me and distros butt heads a lot | 22:33 |
| mordred | jeblair: friday means /me disses distros, I think | 22:33 |
| mordred | dstufft: you and a ton of other people coding in a non-C language it seems | 22:33 |
| fungi | most of the prior implementations which strove for parallel versions of everything sandboxed each application in a chroot/namespace. so i can see the current container trend possibly making that a more viable opportunity to revisit | 22:34 |
| mordred | dstufft: I mean, they mostly like you - be glad you don't hack in go or javascript or java or ruby where you're doing _Everything_ wrong | 22:34 |
| mordred | fungi: ++ | 22:34 |
| mordred | fungi: I'm interested to see what the next gen after docker does there | 22:34 |
| dstufft | setuptools has stuff for that | 22:34 |
| dstufft | for multi version | 22:34 |
| dstufft | but like most setuptools features it's poorly implemented | 22:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Khai Do proposed a change to stackforge/python-jenkins: Add a get_plugin_info method https://review.openstack.org/123932 | 22:35 |
| dstufft | mordred: PEP 453 / ensurepip burned a lot of good will I think | 22:35 |
| mordred | fungi: beause docker is close, but doesn't actually go far enough to remove the need for someone to care about the matric | 22:35 |
| dstufft | with some of them | 22:35 |
| mordred | dstufft: REALLY? | 22:35 |
| mordred | jeez | 22:35 |
| dstufft | I had people calling for removing pip from the repos all together because of it | 22:35 |
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| mordred | dstufft: sigh | 22:36 |
| mordred | that's quite possibly a perfect microcosm of the problem | 22:36 |
| mordred | dstufft: were they angry because you wanted to back port it ? | 22:36 |
| dstufft | because of the bundled copy of pip | 22:37 |
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| dstufft | and because the first draft had it installing pip from the network instead of the local copy | 22:37 |
| zaro | fungi: should i even bother moving this to project-config? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/47937 | 22:37 |
| fungi | well, distros for the most part feel that the *right* way to install software is to use one and only one package manager, even if that means converting packages from one form to another so they can be integrated locally into your package management. things like cpan and pear always begat wrappers which would repackage things prior to installation so you didn't end up with conflicts | 22:37 |
| dstufft | mordred: btw I don't know if you saw but PEP 453 is approved for backport into 2.7 | 22:38 |
| mordred | dstufft: awesome | 22:38 |
| dstufft | slightly different | 22:38 |
| mordred | dstufft: thank you for providing one shred of sanity to my day | 22:38 |
| dstufft | in that we explicitly allow distros to modify it to print an error instead of doing something since we don't need it for venv | 22:38 |
| dstufft | to say | 22:38 |
| fungi | zaro: i do still want it, but maybe just leave it and when i have time to test it the onus will be on me to refactor it as needed | 22:38 |
| dstufft | "go apt-get install pip" | 22:38 |
| dstufft | or whatever | 22:39 |
| dstufft | but for OS X / Windows | 22:39 |
| dstufft | it'll be there for sure | 22:39 |
| zaro | fungi: cool | 22:39 |
| dstufft | and if the distros listen there will be a singular command people can type that'll either ensure pip is installed, or will tell them how, on their platform, to install it | 22:39 |
| fungi | zaro: i feel bad that i keep not finding time to test it out, and don't want you wasting time on it with me ending up as a blocker | 22:40 |
| dstufft | fungi: the distros are wrong, because virtual envs are awesome :D | 22:40 |
| dstufft | (don't pip install into the system though, that's asking for trouble unless you know what you're doing) | 22:40 |
| fungi | dstufft: i love virtualenvs for throwaway work. i'm less keen on finding ways to audit and confirm security updates for the venvs on long-term server applications | 22:40 |
| * anteaya reviews the wikipage dhellmann linked | 22:41 | |
| mordred | ok. me running out | 22:41 |
| dstufft | fungi: I've been thinking about that recently | 22:41 |
| dstufft | how to handle it | 22:41 |
| mordred | lifeless: you have what you need from me, right? | 22:41 |
| dstufft | mostly I want to ship virtual envs with the OS package manager | 22:41 |
| fungi | dstufft: if there were a brilliant solution to keeping that model safe, i'd be keen | 22:41 |
| dhellmann | anteaya: thanks, no rush to do it tonight | 22:41 |
| dstufft | I love seperation of OS and apps | 22:42 |
| fungi | and package-managed venvs may very well be a good fit for that--you've mentioned it before | 22:42 |
| anteaya | eh, I have dinner cooking I can give it a look | 22:42 |
| fungi | dstufft: i have a bit of a hard time with the idea of separating "operating system" and "applications" though. to me an operating system *is* a collection of applications | 22:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Khai Do proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: add a turbo hipster worker for testing https://review.openstack.org/107331 | 22:42 |
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| dstufft | fungi: let me tell you abour how I had to upgrade my OS X box because of a bug in Mail.app | 22:43 |
| * fungi hopes you upgraded to another os ;) | 22:43 | |
| dstufft | heh, no :) | 22:43 |
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| dstufft | to a beta OS! | 22:43 |
| jeblair | if i want to run an apache server, i "apt-get install apache", and i have confidence that the distro will take care of security support for that app | 22:44 |
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| jeblair | i think for anyone who isn't focused on running a single production application, that kind of broad support from the distro is wonderful | 22:44 |
| fungi | i can't remember the last time i "upgraded my operating system" i merely continuously upgrade various components of that operating system which are tested to work together | 22:44 |
| anteaya | oh and if anyone cares I have yet to meet an existing neighbour that has a kind word to say about the new people | 22:44 |
| dstufft | if you run apt-get install python-pip you're insecure on most distros so there's that :) | 22:44 |
| anteaya | so it isn't just me | 22:44 |
| jeblair | dstufft: what you mean by that? | 22:45 |
| fungi | dstufft: well, i would hope that the python-pip package has a cryptographic trust chain back to a keyring used by the package manager, installed at some point via another trusted channel | 22:45 |
| dstufft | jeblair: afaik Ubuntu 14.04 is the only LTS distro of any Linux that doesn't ship a version of pip that is insecure | 22:45 |
| jeblair | dstufft: in what way is it insecure? | 22:46 |
| fungi | dstufft: oh, you mean if you *use* the pip provided by that python-pip package to install things form pypi | 22:46 |
| dstufft | jeblair: downloads packages over HTTP with zero attempt at authenticity | 22:46 |
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| dstufft | e.g. uses an ancient version of pip without any backporting of the things that made pip secure | 22:46 |
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| dstufft | The point isn't really exactly specific to pip, just that "I can apt-get install foo and have confidence that the distro will take care ofthe security support" isn't always true :( | 22:47 |
| jeblair | dstufft: that's not the kind of security support i expect from a distro; that's the application as written. i'm glad it has improved, but that was the deal at the time. | 22:48 |
| mordred | but thank god they back ported ordereddict | 22:48 |
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| dstufft | jeblair: I don't think people who haven't integrated the distro mindset view that as a useful distinction | 22:48 |
| dstufft | I don't view it as a useful distinction | 22:48 |
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| dstufft | either I can trust the thing to be safe, or I have to audit it myself | 22:49 |
| Alex_Gaynor | `The application as written had a security vulnerability. It was patched. My distro didn't give me tha tpatch. | 22:49 |
| fungi | dstufft: also keep in mind that you're saying that it's odd that distro stable trains which released more than two years ago haven't replaced the version of pip which was available at the time with a newer version against their stable change policies | 22:49 |
| Alex_Gaynor | Seems bad. | 22:49 |
| jeblair | dstufft: i would not expect a distro to prevent me from doing anything that might possibly be insecure. i'm just saying that distro support for security updates is a massive win for sysadmins, and the idea of throwing that away without consideration is not appealing to me. | 22:49 |
| dstufft | fungi: No, I'm saying they didn't backport that particular thing | 22:50 |
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| * fungi wonders how big of a patch the ssl cert verification in 1.3 would have been if ported to 1.0 | 22:50 | |
| jeblair | dstufft, Alex_Gaynor: i know right now that as soon as i use pip to install something, i'm signing up for an immense workload of auditing and monitoring. | 22:51 |
| jeblair | dstufft, Alex_Gaynor: i also know that most people who do so aren't doing that work. i may not even be to my own satisfaction. | 22:51 |
| dstufft | jeblair: I think there's a world of difference between "prevent me from doing anything that might possibly be insecure" and "offers me things which are known insecure and part of the value add of a distro is they backport security patches to stable releases that authors are no longer maintaining" | 22:51 |
| fungi | Alex_Gaynor: i never saw the patch. i just saw new versions with distinct behavior changes. that's not the same thing as a security fix | 22:51 |
| jeblair | dstufft: we all knew at the time that pip installed random things from random hosts with no validation. that was the way it was. i'm _very_ happy it's changed, but it's sort of revisionist to suggest that it was a 'bug' that needed fixing. that was the design of the system at the time. | 22:52 |
| dstufft | jeblair: "we all knew" is patently false fwiw | 22:52 |
| fungi | Alex_Gaynor: arguably ubuntu and other distros would have benefitted from collaborating on a stable version od pip with security features backported if it wouldn't break established use cases substantially | 22:53 |
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| dstufft | I talk to people surprised that ``apt-get install python-pip`` gives them something that allows RCEs in every possible confifuration | 22:53 |
| dstufft | quite regularly | 22:53 |
| dstufft | because "I thought the OS handled security updates for me" | 22:53 |
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| * fungi wonders when and how cpan and pear solved these issues | 22:54 | |
| cody-somerville | I love this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-pip/+bug/1306991 | 22:54 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1306991 in python-pip "pip stops with ImportError for request-Modul" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 22:54 |
| dstufft | cody-somerville: yea distros de-vendoring stuff in pip has been a big headache for us | 22:55 |
| dstufft | at least we convinced them not to de-vendoring inside of a virtual env | 22:55 |
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| cody-somerville | You literally have to apt-get remove python-pip and manually download and install or use virtualenv in Ubuntu 14.04 for pip to work. | 22:56 |
| dstufft | not always | 22:57 |
| dstufft | it depends on the order you do stuff in | 22:57 |
| dstufft | luckily the distros are there to protect people and unvendor stuff | 22:57 |
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| jeblair | dstufft: i'll grant that of course there are all kinds of users, and many don't understand what's going on. i'm glad you've added cert validation, but of course even the new, more secure pip, will not handle security updates for them. | 22:57 |
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| jeblair | dstufft: i'm just trying to point out that as a sysadmin, i think distro security support is wonderful, and i'd prefer to run applications from the distro or using libraries from the distro when able because of it. | 22:58 |
| fungi | i honestly think it would make more sense for distros to package get-pip.py, given the fact that it's going to install things unknown to the distro package manager anyway, and its pace of development moves much faster than linux distros/bsd variants would be able to sanely keep up with for the moment | 22:58 |
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| mordred | fungi: ++ | 22:59 |
| mordred | I think distro packaged pip is insane | 23:00 |
| fungi | or to just leave the newly backported get-pip builtin in python stdlib and drop any separate python-pip package | 23:00 |
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| jeblair | yep | 23:00 |
| jeblair | i can get behind that. i also don't think distros should un-vendor, and i don't think apps should vendor, and i think distros are hugely beneficial in general. | 23:01 |
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| fungi | i do feel like a lot of the problem around this in community-oriented distros is that the volunteer packagers are under pressure to manage too many packages, and so in some cases they're disinclined to help their upstreams stop creating unnecessary complication, but rather only have just enough time to (often uselessly) dictate to them instead | 23:03 |
| jeblair | that seems like a good summary | 23:04 |
| fungi | so to some extent it's a problem they create for themselves, by choosing "more packaging work" over "packaging fewer things but working more closely with the upstreams they package" | 23:04 |
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| fungi | i suspect that if the unnecessarily-vendored dependencies in some applications were solved upstream with help and gentle education, then the handful of remaining _necessarily_ vendored dependencies would present less of a support burden on the distro as a whole, and lead to fewer draconian zero-tolernace policies on it | 23:06 |
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| clarkb | I missed the fun conversation :( | 23:10 |
| fungi | but i'm also personally thrilled that, e.g., debian gives me pre-baked packages of python libraries with a vetted source, signed chain of custody, and a sane dependency solver for them (which are problem spaces pip does not yet cover, not to mention a dedicated security team) | 23:11 |
| fungi | clarkb: we'll be sure to host another exciting beat-the-dead-horse friday next week just for you ;) | 23:13 |
| anteaya | clarkb: how is packing coming along? | 23:17 |
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| clarkb | fungi perfect! | 23:20 |
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| clarkb | anteaya: pretty well. most of the hard stuff other than the two large pieces of furniture are basically done | 23:20 |
| clarkb | should be in good shape for tomorrow when we get the truck | 23:21 |
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| anteaya | clarkb: awesome | 23:34 |
| anteaya | you have some help lined up for the furniture? | 23:34 |
| anteaya | I remember carrying a matress up a flight of stairs by myself once | 23:34 |
| anteaya | not so much fun | 23:34 |
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| flashgordon | fungi: I have another round of gate fixing bugs | 23:37 |
| flashgordon | gate bug fixing patches | 23:37 |
| flashgordon | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123023 | 23:37 |
| flashgordon | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122291/\ | 23:37 |
| flashgordon | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122291/ | 23:37 |
| flashgordon | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123510/ again | 23:37 |
| fungi | flashgordon: can i get those in chgnum,psnum format? | 23:37 |
| flashgordon | the top of the gate just reset | 23:37 |
| flashgordon | 123023,1 | 23:37 |
| flashgordon | 122291,6 | 23:38 |
| flashgordon | 123510,1 | 23:38 |
| fungi | and they're all approved and in the gate pipeline? | 23:38 |
| flashgordon | yup | 23:38 |
| fungi | Exception: Unable to find 122291,6 in queue <ChangeQueue gate: integrated> | 23:39 |
| flashgordon | the last one was bounced out of the gate because it hit the bug in the second one | 23:39 |
| fungi | huh | 23:39 |
| fungi | oh, is it still in check and not back in the gate yet? | 23:39 |
| flashgordon | fungi: woops, yeah but it does have a check job that passed on it | 23:39 |
| fungi | and is it for nova or something else? | 23:39 |
| fungi | flashgordon: ^ ? | 23:40 |
| flashgordon | its a nova patch that fixes a bug triggered in heat-slow | 23:40 |
| fungi | k | 23:40 |
| fungi | Exception: Unable to find 123510,1 in queue <ChangeQueue gate: integrated> | 23:41 |
| fungi | not having a good day here | 23:41 |
| flashgordon | derp that *was* in the gate | 23:41 |
| flashgordon | you promoted it once before :/ | 23:42 |
| fungi | looks like it just now got rechecked | 23:42 |
| lifeless | mordred: I do for now | 23:42 |
| fungi | and it's tempest | 23:42 |
| lifeless | mordred: I wil experiment and come back next week | 23:42 |
| flashgordon | but it hit the bug that is fixed in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122291/ | 23:42 |
| fungi | flashgordon: okay, i've reenqueued that one into the gate as well, and promoted the three you requested to the front | 23:43 |
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| flashgordon | and that one failed because it hit the bug fixed by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123023 | 23:43 |
| flashgordon | fungi: thank you | 23:43 |
| fungi | heh | 23:43 |
| flashgordon | hopefully we can get them in without them all hitting the other ones this time | 23:43 |
| fungi | three patches each with a gun pointed at the other | 23:43 |
| flashgordon | yup, the good the bad and the ugly | 23:43 |
| flashgordon | fungi: this is one of the issues with fixing gate related bugs when we are in a bad place | 23:44 |
| fungi | though we're still merged changes at a surprisingly fast clip | 23:45 |
| fungi | i suppose that means we're merging new bugs more quickly along with them ;) | 23:45 |
| flashgordon | fungi: https://github.com/openstack/openstack/graphs/commit-activity isn't so hot today | 23:45 |
| flashgordon | so integrated gate | 23:45 |
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| flashgordon | btw silly question, I assume merge-checks get invalidated if another patch to that repo lands before the merge-check happens? | 23:46 |
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| fungi | i got set straight on that earlier | 23:46 |
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| fungi | there's no need to do so... those are independent of the changes which merged to trigger them | 23:46 |
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| fungi | they're basically just pending requests for zuul to try merging each open change against whatever the state of the branch tip is at the time the request runs | 23:47 |
| flashgordon | fungi: ahh so if merge-check patch 12345 is in the queue it won't go in twice | 23:47 |
| fungi | so if an additional request to do that is already queued, it just doesn't add a second one | 23:47 |
| flashgordon | makes sense | 23:47 |
| fungi | think of it as a queue of "these are changes which might now conflict with their branches, so test find out when you get a moment" | 23:48 |
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| fungi | and as of the precedence change which went in this morning, "when you get a moment" is now "whenever you're not calculating merges in normal or high precedence pipelines" | 23:49 |
| fungi | andf it' | 23:49 |
| fungi | and it's working out awesomely well | 23:49 |
| flashgordon | awesome | 23:49 |
| flashgordon | I was just a little surprised by how big that queue got but it makes sense we do have a lot of patches in review | 23:50 |
| fungi | you can see where the gaps in the top of the test nodes graph stop cropping up... that's roughly just prior to that change taking effect | 23:50 |
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| flashgordon | ahhhh | 23:50 |
| flashgordon | wow that made a huge difference | 23:51 |
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| fungi | er, it made some difference. i think the impact to overall throughput is probably not enormous, though the impact to timeliness of results is pretty nice | 23:51 |
| flashgordon | fungi: heh I meant the impact on that graph | 23:52 |
| fungi | ahh, got it | 23:52 |
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| fungi | anyway, zuul's still been doing a pretty good job of keeping up with the merge-check tasks, even though they're now low priority for it | 23:54 |
| fungi | it's the most backed-up i've seen it all day in that pipeline right now, and it's only about an hour for the oldest changes in it | 23:54 |
| flashgordon | not bad | 23:54 |
| jeblair | ooh, the sparkline is drawing half-dome | 23:55 |
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| jeblair | and if we want it to go faster, it's really easy to throw more cloud at that problem (zuul mergers are very light weight) | 23:55 |
| jeblair | (we probably should, but we also should probably scale down the ones we have) | 23:56 |
| fungi | 'zactly | 23:56 |
| anteaya | dhellmann_: done my pass, had dinner in the middle, just a few changes most was in place | 23:56 |
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