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openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/gertty: Rename gerrit-gertty.yaml to googlesource-gertty.yaml https://review.openstack.org/123650 | 00:10 |
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openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/gertty: Fix help string for --version https://review.openstack.org/124220 | 00:11 |
openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/gertty: Unify small vs. capital letters in help output for consistency https://review.openstack.org/124221 | 00:12 |
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openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed a change to openstack-infra/storyboard: Filter tasks by project, project_group, and various other fields https://review.openstack.org/127389 | 00:15 |
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openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Add ansible node launching https://review.openstack.org/111596 | 00:19 |
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ianw | fungi / clarkb : ok, one other issue fixed in https://review.openstack.org/127371, should be ok ... similar to the RELEASE var thing, if it turns out to be unstable maybe we should pin to a version and update asynchronously | 00:26 |
jeblair | ianw: yeah, i think it's worth trying it out and seeing how much of a problem it is; and if it is a big problem, pin. | 00:28 |
jeblair | ianw: but i think dib wants to be continuously deployable, so i think it should be safe | 00:28 |
jeblair | ianw: and i'm okay with helping find out if it isn't safe in the (hopefully rare) cases something slips through | 00:28 |
fungi | worst case, we'll "fail safe" (e.g. keep using old images while we can't build a replacement) | 00:29 |
jeblair | ya | 00:29 |
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openstackgerrit | K Jonathan Harker proposed a change to openstack-infra/nodepool: Add missing dependencies to README.rst https://review.openstack.org/127394 | 00:38 |
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ianw | fungi: more worried about little things that don't fail the build, but build a broken image | 00:55 |
ianw | fungi: anyway, i'm in contact with the centos image people; one thing on the todo list is to incorporate diskimage-builder into the pre-release checks before they publish new .qcows | 00:56 |
fungi | yeah, we could eventually consider acceptance tests for images i guess | 00:56 |
ianw | (have to get it working here first :) | 00:56 |
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openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/gertty: Remove call of 'python setup.py testr' in tox.ini https://review.openstack.org/126504 | 01:16 |
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openstackgerrit | Steve Martinelli proposed a change to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Add query for bug 1379201 https://review.openstack.org/127346 | 02:38 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1379201 in openvswitch "openvswitch-datapath-dkms 1.4.6-0ubuntu1.12.04.3: openvswitch kernel module failed to build [error: too many arguments to function ‘ip_select_ident’]" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1379201 | 02:38 |
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openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Add query for bug 1379201 https://review.openstack.org/127346 | 02:44 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1379201 in openvswitch "openvswitch-datapath-dkms 1.4.6-0ubuntu1.12.04.3: openvswitch kernel module failed to build [error: too many arguments to function ‘ip_select_ident’]" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1379201 | 02:44 |
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anteaya | openstackgerrit has left us | 03:00 |
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arosen1 | Everyone and then I see this weird issue with my jenkins/zuul. I have a pre_test_hook that does: | 03:07 |
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arosen1 | git clone $ZUUL_URL/$ZUUL_PROJECT; cd congress git fetch $ZUUL_URL/$ZUUL_PROJECT $ZUUL_REF | 03:08 |
arosen1 | which ends up doing a: git fetch http://10.37.2.108/p//stackforge/congress refs/zuul/master/Zd93ec7e072684cef86f12cecb3b2396f | 03:08 |
arosen1 | though from time to time that doesn't match up with the patch that triggered the build. | 03:09 |
arosen1 | have you guys seen this occur before? | 03:09 |
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anteaya | arosen1: not ignoring you, I don't know the answer | 03:25 |
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anteaya | http://lolmythesis.com/post/70582641731/you-can-figure-out-why-something-went-wrong-by-looking | 03:34 |
tchaypo | anteaya: it's unforunate that the URL trims that quote in a way that makes it seem to mean something quite different | 03:37 |
tchaypo | stevenk points out that it's also unfortunate that my unfortunate lacks a t | 03:38 |
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arosen1 | anteaya: no worries i know it's late :P | 03:50 |
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anteaya | tchaypo: yes very unfortunate | 05:46 |
* anteaya confirms jgriffith | 05:47 | |
anteaya | perfect | 05:48 |
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anteaya | openstack.org has been rearranged | 05:48 |
anteaya | lovely timing | 05:48 |
anteaya | anyone with a link to the foundation gui of profiles | 05:48 |
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anteaya | http://www.openstack.org/foundation | 05:50 |
anteaya | yeah so maybe a link to the foundation on the home page? | 05:50 |
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anteaya | jgriffith: one of your responses has a > at the front, intentional? | 05:57 |
* anteaya leaves it in for now | 05:57 | |
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* anteaya notices David Lyle's candidacy announcement that made it in before the deadline and that nominations are now closed | 06:06 | |
anteaya | will confirm david-lyle in a minute | 06:06 |
StevenK | anteaya: How much before the deadline, out of interest? | 06:13 |
anteaya | deadline for nominations has past | 06:14 |
anteaya | so -15 minutes | 06:14 |
StevenK | anteaya: Sorry, I was unclear. I meant how long before the deadline did David Lyle post his in | 06:14 |
StevenK | Heh, eight minutes. Nice. | 06:16 |
anteaya | look at the archives: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-October/048210.html | 06:16 |
anteaya | yeah about that | 06:17 |
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StevenK | anteaya: I figured I could stop being lazy and look in Thunderbird :-) | 06:17 |
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anteaya | hey that works too | 06:18 |
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anteaya | confirmed that all tc candidates have been confirmed | 06:24 |
anteaya | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-October/thread.html | 06:24 |
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andreaf | "Toggle CI" in gerrit stopped working when using the new screen - it seems I'll have to go back to the old one :( | 06:34 |
anteaya | andreaf: can you file a bug please? | 06:35 |
andreaf | anteaya: ok | 06:35 |
anteaya | thanks | 06:36 |
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andreaf | anteaya: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ci/+bug/1379659 - it's not very detailed but I don't know what more to say, it should be fairly easy to reproduce | 06:39 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1379659 in openstack-ci ""Toggle CI" in gerrit UI does not work when using the new screen" [Undecided,New] | 06:39 |
anteaya | the title is very descriptive, thank you | 06:41 |
anteaya | thanks for adding the browser information, what version of chrome? | 06:41 |
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anteaya | and we're off: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-October/048216.html | 07:16 |
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anteaya | vote vote vote | 07:16 |
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anteaya | tired now, I think I will go to sleep | 07:24 |
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reed | anteaya, wow, still up? I'm in Europe, what's your excuse? :) thank you for your work, amazing | 07:34 |
hogepodge | reed o/ | 07:35 |
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reed | hogepodge, you too? an epidemic on sleep deprivation on the west coast? | 07:36 |
reed | ;) | 07:36 |
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jedimike | so I saw that https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openvswitch/+bug/1379201 is causing neutron gate job fails on openstack.org too | 08:08 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1379201 in openvswitch "openvswitch-datapath-dkms 1.4.6-0ubuntu1.12.04.3: openvswitch kernel module failed to build [error: too many arguments to function ‘ip_select_ident’]" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 08:08 |
jedimike | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107685/ shows all the dsvm-neutron jobs failing with that error | 08:09 |
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* dstufft finds it humerous that after he was asked to vote for the TC, the website then suggested he vote on his favorite breaking bad character | 08:13 | |
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jpich | Any idea what could be preventing a job from creating a directory in the devstack tree? http://logs.openstack.org/74/102274/5/experimental/gate-horizon-dsvm-integration/8706f19/console.html#_2014-10-09_17_14_24_757 . This from a new job definition so I may well have missed something in the set up | 08:37 |
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HeOS | Hi everyone! Who can tell me about your workflow in gerrit? In particular I want to know all about procedure submit/merge after review received the necessary scores (CR,V,W). | 09:06 |
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jedimike | HeOS, hi! If the review received 2+2's, and a core reviewer Approved it, then zuul should automatically merge the change, and you're done! | 09:07 |
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HeOS | jedimike, thanks. | 09:09 |
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AJaeger | HeOS: for all the glory details, read https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gerrit_Workflow | 09:13 |
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pblaho | hi all... can someone clarify for me what NOT_REGISTERED as results for jenkins job means? see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122674/6 | 09:32 |
tchaypo | (and if pblaho is asking in the wrong place, it's my fault for sending him here, so please direct flames at me) | 09:33 |
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pblaho | tchaypo: there will be no flames here I hope... people are nice and will point me in another channel if necessary :-) | 09:38 |
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parimala_ | Hi All, I am a newbie, | 09:44 |
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tchaypo | parimala_: Welcome :) | 09:45 |
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parimala_ | Need help in assessing bugs which a newcomer can fix? any help? | 09:45 |
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parimala_ | I looked at the "low-hanging-fruit" bugs , but they are quite confusing (for a newbie) | 09:47 |
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parimala_ | hmm, | 10:00 |
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AJaeger | pblaho: NOT_REGISTERED means that there was basically no server to run the job - so something wrong in the configuration files. | 10:07 |
AJaeger | Thanks for reporting, pblaho. Let me check quickly.. | 10:07 |
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AJaeger | pblaho: there's a small window when a new job is added for the first time where this might happen. I rechecked the patch and will look closer. | 10:09 |
AJaeger | pblaho: this happened on the 7th of October just 15 mins after we merged the patch for the jobs in, so it should be fine now. | 10:10 |
AJaeger | Hi parimala_ ! | 10:10 |
AJaeger | parimala_: Do you want to help with infrastructure or with a specific project? | 10:10 |
parimala_ | Hi AJaeger : | 10:11 |
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parimala_ | Ajaeger, anything is OK | 10:12 |
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AJaeger | Sorry, can't point you quickly to something but if you have a specific question, just ask. | 10:14 |
AJaeger | And it's lunch time now - I'll be back soon. | 10:15 |
parimala_ | ok | 10:15 |
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pblaho | AJaeger: thanks.... so simple recheck should be fine I suppose | 10:17 |
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AJaeger | parimala_: I'm back... | 10:41 |
parimala_ | Ajaeger, Hi | 10:42 |
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AJaeger | parimala_: looking at the infra bugs: yeah, those are not as trivial | 10:43 |
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parimala_ | Ajaeger : how do i choose bugs for fixing as a newbie | 10:44 |
AJaeger | parimala_: just grab one that is not assigned. | 10:45 |
AJaeger | The low-hanging-fruit is normally an indicator that a newbie can do it. | 10:45 |
parimala_ | Ajaeger : I have no knowledge of openstack, openstack-infra, so how will I choose any bug | 10:46 |
AJaeger | which Linux distro do you know best? | 10:46 |
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parimala_ | Ajaeger : Centos | 10:47 |
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AJaeger | Then I suggest something completely different: We release next week the OpenStack Juno release and the documentation team is busy double checking that the Installatoin Guide works. | 10:48 |
AJaeger | Go to http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/install-guide/install/yum/content/ and install from scratch your first OpenStack cloud. | 10:48 |
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AJaeger | Report anything that does not work as bug (there's a bug icon on each page, just click it) and if you can fix it, even better... | 10:49 |
AJaeger | After that you should have a much better overview on what OpenStack is, how it works and helped testing... | 10:49 |
parimala_ | Reporting bug is different, bug I need to fix a bug for OPW | 10:49 |
parimala_ | but I will look at the doc URL which u have given, | 10:50 |
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AJaeger | parimala_: so you're participating in OPW and have the task to fix a bug? | 10:51 |
parimala_ | yes | 10:52 |
AJaeger | parimala_: take this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1344295 and see https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HowTo/FirstTimers | 10:52 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1344295 in openstack-manuals "Security Guide - Chapter 43. Trusted Images Intro" [Low,Confirmed] | 10:52 |
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AJaeger | If you need help, ask on #openstack-doc | 10:52 |
AJaeger | The repository is security-doc | 10:52 |
parimala_ | AJaeger: but this bug is already assigned | 10:54 |
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AJaeger | parimala_: but no work done for 2 months, I'll delete the assignement... | 10:56 |
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parimala_ | Ajaeger: I will look at both the Centos part and 1344295 | 10:57 |
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AJaeger | thanks, parimala_ ! Both are doc tasks - so ask on #openstack-doc if you need any help | 10:58 |
parimala_ | Ajaeger, Thanks a ton, it really helped, I will ping in #openstack-doc and to you if any help is needed, | 10:59 |
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AJaeger | parimala_: If I'm around, I'm in #openstack-doc as well ;) | 11:05 |
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parimala_ | Ok, thanks | 11:06 |
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AJaeger | fungi, we've lost again the openstackgerrit IRC bot | 12:24 |
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jedimike | I wish zuul had a "fail fast" feature. Like, if my change fails pep8 or the commit message is bad, I don't want zuul to waste an hour running tempest tests. Notify me immediately, let me fix the trivial stuff, then spend the hour running tempest tests | 12:46 |
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mpaolino | hello folks, I'm experiencing some problems while "git cloning" some of the OpenStack components (I'm using devstack) | 12:48 |
mpaolino | is that happening also to someone else? | 12:48 |
mpaolino | in particular, cinder and nova are failing | 12:49 |
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jedimike | mpaolino, I'm not seeing any issues here, what errors are you getting? | 12:55 |
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mpaolino | jedimike, ok thanks I'll recheck the connectivity of my machines | 12:56 |
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mpaolino | I'm getting a git error, I can't be more specific now (I just rerun ./stack to see if now it works) | 12:56 |
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jedimike | ok | 12:56 |
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anteaya | so I am here for about 10 minutes and then not here for most of today, Tristan is here today if there are any questions about the election | 14:02 |
anteaya | and of course you can email us | 14:03 |
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anteaya | reed: thanks, had to get the election started since I am going to be offline a good chunk of today | 14:03 |
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AJaeger | anteaya: you were up late last night - and I voted already ;) Thanks for running this so smoothly! | 14:05 |
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anteaya | yay voted!! | 14:06 |
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anteaya | thank you | 14:06 |
anteaya | so far so good | 14:06 |
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cpowell | Good morning everyone. I have recently put in a request for a CI account on third-party-requests, but it has been quite a while and I have not received a response. Is there some way I can follow up on its status? | 14:07 |
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anteaya | SergeyLukjanov: ^^ | 14:08 |
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fungi | ugh... just a heads up... internet access is basically out across the whole island again. i'm connected via a (laggy, low-bandwidth) wireless modem but don't expect much | 14:13 |
jgriffith | anteaya: Nope, not intentional (> in front of reponse) :( | 14:13 |
fungi | restarting the gerritbot now | 14:13 |
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anteaya | jgriffith: thanks, I will remove | 14:22 |
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fungi | cpowell: normally one of the infrastructure root admins gets around to batching up all new service account requests every week or two. we tend to be very, very busy | 14:23 |
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mtreinish | fungi: is there anything we can do about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openvswitch/+bug/1379201 it's blocking the tempest queue | 14:23 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1379201 in openvswitch "openvswitch-datapath-dkms 1.4.6-0ubuntu1.12.04.3: openvswitch kernel module failed to build [error: too many arguments to function ‘ip_select_ident’]" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 14:23 |
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mtreinish | it looks like there was a new precise kernel which breaks openvswitch | 14:23 |
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fungi | mtreinish: i talked with clarkb about either rolling back our nodepool images or trying to pin them to an older kernel, but i think we hoped ubuntu would fix this already | 14:24 |
jedimike | mtreinish, yeah, i emailed the mailing list about it this morning | 14:24 |
cpowell | @fungi thank you for the response. I just want make sure there isn't something blocking the account. | 14:24 |
anteaya | jgriffith: removed | 14:25 |
anteaya | cpowell: just our lack of time | 14:25 |
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fungi | right, jedimike was jedi-on-the-spot with a heads up to us for that bug. he had tracked it down before the rest of us even knew it was happening | 14:25 |
fungi | much appreciated | 14:26 |
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jedimike | fungi, no problem :) | 14:26 |
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clarkb | fungi or implement a pin and rebuild | 14:28 |
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mtreinish | fungi: ok, yeah I'm thinking we should just rollback the image, who knows when ubuntu will push a fix it... | 14:28 |
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clarkb | I just didnt like the idea of perpetual image deletes | 14:28 |
anteaya | cpowell: just checked your email, you have all the information we require thank you | 14:28 |
clarkb | because it prevents us from fixing newer issues | 14:29 |
fungi | clarkb: "pin" suggests the older kernel is still in their index | 14:29 |
cpowell | @anteaya thank you very much, I appreciate the help | 14:29 |
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clarkb | jedimike: is your pin change pushed upstream? | 14:29 |
clarkb | jedimike: I thinj we would take it if pushed | 14:29 |
fungi | if it is, then awesome. let's do that | 14:30 |
jedimike | clarkb, no, but I can start a review for it - it's a little hacky due to the hp core team needing to get patches in today, but it's a start | 14:30 |
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anteaya | cpowell: yeah, hopefully next gerrit upgrade we will have what we need so I can have permissions to create accounts, I don't right now | 14:31 |
jedimike | clarkb, fungi, where does openstack_project/files/nodepool/scripts live now? | 14:32 |
anteaya | my taxi is here, see you later this afternoon | 14:32 |
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clarkb | in the project-config repo | 14:32 |
jedimike | cheers | 14:33 |
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openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Import openstack-monitoring https://review.openstack.org/125082 | 14:37 |
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openstackgerrit | Mike Heald proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Insist on kernel 3.2.0-69 for precise https://review.openstack.org/127545 | 14:39 |
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clarkb | jedimike the list of packages in the else block is different | 14:41 |
clarkb | ignoring versions that is | 14:42 |
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jedimike | clarkb, ah, I didn't notice that. Fixing now. | 14:42 |
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clarkb | jedimike we will want to be as close to the old list as possible | 14:43 |
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jedimike | clarkb, yes, the only difference I'm seeing is the precise specific was missing python-software-properties, which was missing from our config | 14:43 |
jedimike | clarkb, the reason I explicitly reinstall linux-image is so the grub trigger happens | 14:44 |
clarkb | ya reinstall is fine just wanted packages to line up | 14:44 |
openstackgerrit | Mike Heald proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Insist on kernel 3.2.0-69 for precise https://review.openstack.org/127545 | 14:45 |
jedimike | clarkb, new change pushed up for review | 14:45 |
jedimike | thanks openstackgerrit :) | 14:45 |
clarkb | thanks | 14:45 |
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clarkb | +2 | 14:46 |
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ska | We're setting up a dev environment for Openstack. I have a server that runs KVM instances already, and another that is just Debian running nothing special yet. Can I use those to form a dev env without destroying existing KVM instances? | 14:48 |
ska | If there is a more appropriate channel for this, please redirect me. | 14:49 |
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fungi | ska: probably #openstack-dev... we mostly manage the community services in here | 14:51 |
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ska | ok..Thanks. | 14:52 |
ttx | paste.openstack.org seems unable to accept new pastes. Getting 500 | 14:52 |
ttx | fungi: ^ | 14:52 |
fungi | ska: #openstack-infra are the people keeping up the code review system, mailing lists, wiki, etherpad, continuous integration machines | 14:52 |
fungi | oh, and paste | 14:52 |
ska | Thanks again.. | 14:52 |
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openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Import openstack-monitoring https://review.openstack.org/125082 | 14:53 |
fungi | ttx: go to http://paste.openstack.org/ and then try force-reloading the paste you're getting a 500 on | 14:53 |
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fungi | ttx: for some reason lodgeit seems to fail to store session cookies in the trove backend it's using, and that causes your browser to cache an invalid cookie | 14:53 |
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fungi | from what we've been able to tell | 14:54 |
ttx | fungi: I was trying to paste a new thing though | 14:54 |
fungi | ttx: ahh, yeah, go back in your browser and submit again. that's tended to work for me | 14:54 |
fungi | (back button, then the submit button again, presumably your browser has kept the freeform text input field with your previous content) | 14:55 |
fungi | clarkb: didn't you have a theory that was rate limiting/throttling in rackspace's mysql configuration? | 14:55 |
ttx | fungi: I just switched to another paste :P | 14:56 |
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ttx | the one that pastebinit uses by default | 14:56 |
fungi | ttx: yeah. sorry about that. it's been a hard issue to diagnose | 14:56 |
clarkb | fungi in the logs were lodgeit connectiin dying | 14:56 |
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clarkb | so ya I think one idea was we needed to tweak mysql connection settings | 14:57 |
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fungi | ttx: also, is my last comment about tc jurisdiction on bug 1372635 accurate? | 14:57 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1372635 in ossa "MITM vulnerability with EMC VMAX driver" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1372635 | 14:57 |
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* ttx looks | 14:58 | |
ttx | fungi: yeah, mostly | 14:59 |
ttx | will comment | 14:59 |
fungi | appreciated! just trying to make sure the ossg doesn't think the vmt is giving them the blow-off | 14:59 |
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timrc | jedimike, Thanks for the workaround! As your reward, you can have the weekend off. | 15:01 |
fungi | shhh... don't tell him that! | 15:02 |
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jedimike | can I just have a day where a failing dsvm-neutron job doesn't block me? :D | 15:03 |
ttx | fungi: commented | 15:03 |
fungi | thanks | 15:03 |
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openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Import openstack-monitoring https://review.openstack.org/125082 | 15:17 |
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jeblair | jedimike: approved, thanks! | 15:17 |
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jedimike | :D | 15:18 |
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jeblair | zul: are you aware of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openvswitch/+bug/1379201 ? | 15:20 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1379201 in openvswitch "openvswitch-datapath-dkms 1.4.6-0ubuntu1.12.04.3: openvswitch kernel module failed to build [error: too many arguments to function ‘ip_select_ident’]" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 15:20 |
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zul | jeblair: nope i was not | 15:22 |
jeblair | zul: we've just pinned our precise builds to the older -69 kernel because of it | 15:22 |
zul | jeblair: ok ill have a look | 15:23 |
fungi | once that patch merges, i'll get the precise images rebuilding | 15:23 |
openstackgerrit | Evgeniy L proposed a change to openstack-infra/project-config: Fuel-plugins repository for Fuel https://review.openstack.org/127552 | 15:23 |
jeblair | zul: thanks! | 15:23 |
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openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/project-config: Insist on kernel 3.2.0-69 for precise https://review.openstack.org/127545 | 15:31 |
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fungi | getting going on the image updates for that ^ now | 15:33 |
clarkb | fungi make sure puppet updates first | 15:34 |
clarkb | as the nodepool scripts are copied from nodepool.o.o iirc | 15:34 |
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fungi | clarkb: yep, hovering on that now | 15:35 |
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openstackgerrit | David Kranz proposed a change to openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Pass args to stress tox call https://review.openstack.org/127561 | 15:43 |
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zaro | morning | 15:51 |
pleia2 | good morning | 15:51 |
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jedimike | hi pleia2 | 15:51 |
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pleia2 | jedimike: ugh re: -70 kernel issue | 15:53 |
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mfisch | Can someone point me in the right direction to get a Stackalytics error corrected? | 16:02 |
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fungi | mfisch: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/stackalytics/ | 16:03 |
fungi | mfisch: you propose a change to that for review and the stackalytics core reviewers review and approve it | 16:03 |
mfisch | yeah this is beyond that | 16:03 |
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mfisch | some random person showing up as working for my company, maybe they have a LP bug tracker | 16:04 |
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mfisch | bug filed as an obvious way to request help.. thx | 16:04 |
fungi | mfisch: yeah, in that case, probably you want to reach out to https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/183,members or https://bugs.launchpad.net/stackalytics | 16:04 |
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mfisch | done and thanks fungi | 16:06 |
fungi | yw | 16:06 |
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fungi | grr... this wireless modem wants to time out idle ssh sessions very, very quickly | 16:06 |
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jeblair | mfisch: i think there's a data file that you may be able to update | 16:08 |
mfisch | there's nothing in the datafile that should cause this | 16:08 |
mfisch | I added twcable.com myself | 16:08 |
pleia2 | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Stackalytics#Company_affiliation explains rationale for how afflilations are determined, if that helps | 16:09 |
jeblair | mfisch: "domains": ["rr.com"], | 16:09 |
mfisch | wait I see it | 16:09 |
jeblair | mfisch: | 16:09 |
jeblair | "company_name": "Time Warner Cable" | 16:09 |
jeblair | mfisch: could that be it? | 16:09 |
mfisch | not sure how I missed that | 16:09 |
mfisch | yeah thats it | 16:09 |
mfisch | she has rr.com for her home cable provider | 16:09 |
fungi | heh. and is using the isp-provided e-mail address | 16:10 |
fungi | and they mapped it up based on that | 16:10 |
fungi | amusing | 16:10 |
jeblair | :) | 16:10 |
pleia2 | hah | 16:10 |
mordred | ISPs give out email? | 16:10 |
mfisch | so the annoying thing will be if you work here and have that for your home email | 16:10 |
mfisch | but I think we can drop it | 16:10 |
mordred | mfisch: yah - those folks will just have to list themselves individually in the mapping file | 16:10 |
mfisch | agree | 16:10 |
fungi | mordred: there are probably isps that still have nntp servers too | 16:10 |
mfisch | diane is making us all look bad anyway so we need to remove her ;) | 16:11 |
mordred | mfisch: fwiw, 85% of the people who work for me have to manually add themselves to that file because they don't use hp.com emails for openstack | 16:11 |
mordred | fungi: _crazy_ | 16:11 |
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mfisch | okay fix in review | 16:12 |
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mfisch | see asking people always helps | 16:12 |
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fungi | wow! | 16:13 |
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fungi | clarkb: devstack-precise-dib came ready before the devstack-precise image in the same privider | 16:14 |
fungi | provider | 16:14 |
jeblair | huh, the data file is not parsable by python-yaml | 16:14 |
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clarkb | fungi: nice! though the -dib image is without jedimike's fix right? not a big deal as I don't quite have tests going there yet | 16:19 |
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fungi | clarkb: yeah | 16:19 |
clarkb | fungi: I think the caching of data on nodepool.o.o really helps the build times | 16:20 |
clarkb | fungi: its like 15 minutes per devstack image | 16:20 |
clarkb | then upload time | 16:20 |
ekarlso | phschwartz: you up dude ? | 16:20 |
fungi | well, it was more like 45 minutes start to finish | 16:20 |
fungi | er, no, 25 | 16:20 |
clarkb | also I am mostly properly awake now. I was going to look at centos7-dib really quickly to catch up from yesterday then look at zaro's gearman-plugin patch | 16:20 |
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pleia2 | mostly properly awake \o/ | 16:22 |
clarkb | jeblair: 127371 is the consume dib from master change. I seem to recall you were ok with that yesterday? | 16:23 |
clarkb | fungi: that is quick :) | 16:23 |
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fungi | yep! | 16:25 |
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sacharya | Hi, I am trying to use the upload logs to swift feature in zuul (on a 3 party CI I am working on)… anyone around to answer a couple of questions? | 16:27 |
clarkb | sacharya: yup. | 16:28 |
fungi | it's even mostly working now | 16:28 |
sacharya | clarkb: I am getting " Environment variable 'SWIFT_logs_LOGSERVER_PREFIX' not found" while its trying to run "/usr/local/jenkins/slave_scripts/zuul_swift_upload.py --name logs /tmp/console.txt" | 16:29 |
sacharya | how is the env variables passed to the node? | 16:29 |
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clarkb | sacharya: you have to configure the zuul server with swift credentials and info. When you do that, and zuul successfully auths against swift then zuul will provide those env variables to the job runs | 16:30 |
clarkb | sacharya: http://ci.openstack.org/zuul/zuul.html#swift is the documentation for that | 16:31 |
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sacharya | clarkb: This is whats in my zuul.conf http://paste.openstack.org/show/120196/ | 16:32 |
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clarkb | https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/config/tree/modules/zuul/templates/zuul.conf.erb#n37 ok that looks a lot like ours. | 16:33 |
clarkb | sacharya: make sure you have python-swiftclient installed and that you can auth using the data you provided. note that rackspace uses a funny tenant id for its swift service | 16:34 |
clarkb | sacharya: you can double check that value by dumping the keystone catalog for your account | 16:34 |
sacharya | clarkb: I dont think I'm even that far.. Right now zuul_swift_upload.py says "Environment variable 'SWIFT_logs_LOGSERVER_PREFIX' not found" | 16:35 |
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clarkb | sacharya: yes, because zuul has not provided that info to your job. For zuul to provide that info to your job the swift stuff has to be tested by zuul as working | 16:36 |
clarkb | sacharya: so I think we should start with double checking that it is working | 16:37 |
clarkb | once we have checked that we also need to check that the individual jobs are specified to use swift in the layou.taml | 16:37 |
sacharya | clarkb: gotcha… | 16:37 |
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ekarlso | is it possible to disable the gerrit integration if one is using github as atrigger? | 16:37 |
clarkb | https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/zuul/layout.yaml#n470 is where we setup swift log data for all of our jobs | 16:37 |
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clarkb | sacharya: the swift: line there is the important bit | 16:38 |
clarkb | er s/line/section/ | 16:38 |
clarkb | ekarlso: I don't understand the question | 16:38 |
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clarkb | ekarlso: can you elaborate on the scope of the question? | 16:38 |
clarkb | ekarlso: eg what project (or is this third party) and is that a jenkins trigger? | 16:38 |
ekarlso | clarkb: atm when using zuul-server it tries to connect to gerrit, though if you dont wanna use gerrit aka just using zuul to provide pipelines using github as a trigger it dont need to be triggered ? | 16:39 |
ekarlso | ehm, s/triggered/started | 16:39 |
clarkb | ekarlso: just remove the gerrit trigger? | 16:39 |
ekarlso | clarkb: still when you try to start zuul-server it will start to stream from gerrit (ssh connection) | 16:40 |
ekarlso | doesn't it ? ;) | 16:40 |
clarkb | ekarlso: it might, but I would hope it doesn't if it isn't configured to use gerrit. If it does that is probably a bug that needs fixing | 16:41 |
mordred | when did we get a github trigger added to zuul? | 16:41 |
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clarkb | mordred: I don't think we have | 16:41 |
mordred | ekarlso: how are you using zuul with github? | 16:41 |
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ekarlso | mordred: idea is to start using it soon just by exposing a api endpoint.. | 16:42 |
* fungi gets the impression this is a question about a hypothetical bug in a hypothetical patch to zuul | 16:42 | |
mordred | ekarlso: indeed. so I can expect a patch from you then? :) | 16:42 |
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fungi | i recommend, when you implement that feature in zuul, don't include the bug you're predicting | 16:42 |
* mordred looks forward to this | 16:43 | |
ekarlso | mordred: guess so .. :p | 16:43 |
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ekarlso | why a cat ? :p | 16:43 |
ekarlso | coding cat ? p | 16:43 |
mordred | :) | 16:44 |
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fungi | mordred: seems to prefer cat-hurling as an alternative to fish-slapping | 16:44 |
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clarkb | mordred: thoughts on 127371? | 16:46 |
clarkb | I want to approve but missed much of yesterday and don't want to step on any decisions made yesterday around this | 16:46 |
mordred | I did not make any decisions yesterday | 16:47 |
mordred | uhm - wait a sec | 16:47 |
mordred | why are we installing from git? | 16:47 |
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mordred | SpamapS: ^^ is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127371 a safe thing to do? | 16:48 |
clarkb | mordred: because old pip cannot centos7 | 16:49 |
clarkb | er not old pip | 16:49 |
clarkb | old dib | 16:49 |
mordred | then what we need is for SpamapS to make a dib release? | 16:49 |
fungi | rereading that change, ianw could have included a bit more detail on his reasons in the commit message | 16:49 |
mordred | yes. I have no idea why we want to do that | 16:49 |
mordred | I'm -1 pending follow up questions | 16:50 |
fungi | mordred: ianw: clarkb: 0.1.33 seems to have been tagged just yesterday | 16:51 |
clarkb | without my dib change in it :( | 16:52 |
fungi | gah | 16:52 |
* clarkb wonders what the point of a release is if you don't flush the review queue first | 16:52 | |
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mordred | maybe I should be poking greghaynes instead of SpamapS ... | 16:53 |
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mordred | greghaynes: we need things. please fix. kthxbai | 16:53 |
greghaynes | orly | 16:53 |
fungi | "now the shoe is on the other foot," he says | 16:54 |
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greghaynes | You just need a dib release cut? | 16:55 |
clarkb | no, my dib change isn't merged yet | 16:55 |
fungi | a proposed bugfix approved, merged, then a release cut | 16:55 |
mordred | then we'll let you live | 16:55 |
clarkb | so I think we can switch to consuming releases of dib via pip | 16:56 |
clarkb | using ensure => latest | 16:56 |
clarkb | fungi: mordred: is that what you had in mind? | 16:56 |
fungi | i agree that would be reasonable | 16:56 |
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fungi | instead of ensure=>present | 16:56 |
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greghaynes | got a review link for bugfix? | 16:57 |
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clarkb | fungi: is bugfix related to centos thing? | 16:57 |
clarkb | my change is a new feature not bug | 16:57 |
fungi | it fixes our bug ;) | 16:57 |
greghaynes | oh | 16:57 |
fungi | but yes, new feature really | 16:57 |
greghaynes | well, I am the only +2 on that patch so I cant really help :( | 16:58 |
clarkb | right. my gripe was tagging a release on a project with open reviews that are primed to merge | 16:58 |
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greghaynes | There are lots of open reviews, we tag releases this time of week-ish | 16:59 |
greghaynes | or whenever someone asks nicely | 16:59 |
fungi | but yeah, it's arguably a bug in glance which needs to be worked around in dib | 17:00 |
fungi | that can go onto hogepodge's interop wishlist | 17:00 |
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clarkb | fungi: mordred: if I update ianw's change will you be around to rereview in the near future? | 17:13 |
fungi | clarkb: yes, i'm around all day, modulo heading to lunch in a little while and dealing with flaking wireless modem connection since my broadband isp still hasn't gotten their act together today | 17:14 |
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openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Install latest diskimage-builder on nodepool https://review.openstack.org/127371 | 17:17 |
clarkb | mordred: fungi ^ how about that? | 17:17 |
fungi | glad we no longer have to care about pointless rocketship alignment | 17:18 |
mordred | clarkb: +2 | 17:18 |
clarkb | oh wait | 17:19 |
clarkb | fungi: will that fail? should I fix it? | 17:19 |
fungi | clarkb: i think we ditched the lint job months ago | 17:19 |
clarkb | gah let me fix it, that way this code doens't need fixing later if we go back to enforcing that check | 17:19 |
clarkb | fungi: ya you are right | 17:19 |
openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Install latest diskimage-builder on nodepool https://review.openstack.org/127371 | 17:20 |
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fungi | did we stop including the template vm name for the image used in job logs? for examplehttp://logs.openstack.org/60/127560/2/check/check-tempest-dsvm-neutron-icehouse/7a52d38/console.html | 17:24 |
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clarkb | fungi: I don't think so, maybe we only did it for non d-g jobs? | 17:25 |
fungi | ohh... i think you're right | 17:25 |
fungi | yeah, it's in the slave scripts | 17:25 |
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fungi | maybe echoing that should become a builder | 17:25 |
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stevemar | ho boy, that one bug sure exploded in rechecks since last night | 17:26 |
fungi | stevemar: yeah | 17:26 |
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fungi | stevemar: we're hoping https://review.openstack.org/127545 has fixed it, but not all images are done updating yet | 17:26 |
stevemar | fungi, ah that explains why my latest recheck still came back with the same error | 17:27 |
fungi | stevemar: yeah, i'm hanging my hopes on https://jenkins05.openstack.org/job/check-tempest-dsvm-full-icehouse/2337/console since the provider it's running in has had an updated devstack-precise image for half an hour now | 17:29 |
fungi | er, not that one... needs to be neutron | 17:29 |
stevemar | fungi, hehe, yeah not that one, it's well into the tempest job now, the bug fails on devstack setup | 17:30 |
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mordred | Ok. My friend's band just released a video of their new Star Trek based love song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5MkHQxRGDY | 17:30 |
fungi | grr, the neutron version for that change is running in a provider which only got an updated image a few minutes ago, so still too soon | 17:30 |
mordred | you're welcome | 17:30 |
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clarkb | nibalizer: you should watch ^ | 17:33 |
fungi | mordred: that is _sick_ | 17:33 |
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fungi | we're holding off rewatching season 7 until they get the blu-ray set out for it (soon!) | 17:34 |
fungi | making do with ds9 in the meantime | 17:34 |
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nibalizer | oooo | 17:35 |
mordred | they were one of my favorite bands anyway - but that just takes the cake | 17:35 |
fungi | indeed | 17:36 |
clarkb | not sure that watching ds9 instead of TNG is making do | 17:36 |
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clarkb | mordred: 127371 please :) | 17:37 |
fungi | well, we went through all of tos on blu-ray and got about halfway through tng before we started having to wait for them to release new seasons | 17:37 |
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clarkb | it was approved nevermind. I gues sfungi decided that your previous +2 was sufficient | 17:37 |
adam_g | is there something that pegs stable/icehouse neutron jobs to precise nodes? | 17:37 |
clarkb | adam_g: yes, all icehouse jobs run on precise | 17:37 |
clarkb | (excluding python2.6 jobs which run on centos6) | 17:38 |
fungi | clarkb: yes, that was indeed my reasoning. no need to waste a perfectly good existing +2 on whitespace | 17:38 |
fungi | adam_g: it's done in a zuul parameter function called from the layout.yaml | 17:38 |
clarkb | fungi: I tried rewatching TNG recently started with season one. promptly gave up | 17:38 |
mordred | don't watch season one | 17:39 |
clarkb | mordred: yes I know | 17:39 |
mordred | MAYBE the last episode | 17:39 |
clarkb | but I am OCD and must start at the beginning! | 17:39 |
adam_g | clarkb, i guess thats intentional, huh? new kernel update to precise introduced a nice bug that breaks OVS module builds, http://goo.gl/XmGZeL | 17:39 |
fungi | adam_g: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/zuul/openstack_functions.py#n39 | 17:39 |
fungi | clarkb: yes, it takes some stomach to get through the first couple seasons | 17:39 |
clarkb | adam_g: yes and we are currently working to pin the kernel to older version | 17:39 |
adam_g | fungi, thanks! | 17:39 |
adam_g | clarkb, oh, me too slow | 17:40 |
fungi | adam_g: i think it's probably already fixed in some of our providers, just looking for confirmation so we can be sure. if so, the rest are also minuts from being fixed | 17:40 |
fungi | minutes too | 17:41 |
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fungi | clarkb: i can't get my wife to watch babylon 5 with me because i made the mistake of trying to get her to start at season 1. after about two episodes she patently refused to watch any more. at least with st:tng she had seen enough of later seasons in the past to know it would get better without having to take my word for it | 17:42 |
adam_g | fungi, cool. for my own edification, where does packaging version pinning happen? puppet? | 17:42 |
fungi | adam_g: in this case, nodepool prep scripts | 17:42 |
fungi | adam_g: https://review.openstack.org/127545 | 17:43 |
adam_g | fungi, thanks | 17:43 |
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jedimike | fungi, my wife insists on watching everything from the beginning. I told her we could skip the first star trek movie and go straight to Khan... but nooooo... so I made her sit through the directors cut, with the 16 minute starfield credits sequence at the start :) | 17:43 |
fungi | jedimike: _so_ _much_ _nebula_ _footage_ | 17:44 |
jedimike | she kept on "can we skip this bit?" "No! You must watch it ALL" | 17:44 |
openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/config: Install latest diskimage-builder on nodepool https://review.openstack.org/127371 | 17:45 |
jedimike | fungi, yeah... more like "the slow motion picture" | 17:45 |
fungi | adam_g: i was about to suggest that you prod any old friends you might have to pick up bug 1379201, but looks like zul assigned it to himself a couple hours ago | 17:45 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1379201 in openvswitch "openvswitch-datapath-dkms 1.4.6-0ubuntu1.12.04.3: openvswitch kernel module failed to build [error: too many arguments to function ‘ip_select_ident’]" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1379201 | 17:45 |
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adam_g | fungi, that looks like the type of bug that will move slow. its going to probably require an SRU to precise which, at best, takes a couple of weeks | 17:47 |
clarkb | adam_g: thats ... unfortunate | 17:48 |
fungi | adam_g: ick! | 17:48 |
fungi | adam_g: let's just hope nobody uses ubuntu precise to run neutron (or anything else) with openvswitch | 17:48 |
clarkb | zaro: I have reviewed the gearman-plugin change | 17:48 |
adam_g | actually maybe not, it may be addressed with new kernel | 17:49 |
fungi | two-week sru to fix a serious regression introduced by a stable update seems slow | 17:49 |
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clarkb | waking up early feels so productive. It isn't lunch time and the two things I needed to get done this morning are both happening what is with that | 17:50 |
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clarkb | in other news if a horseback rider raises their arm it means something important that you will have to answer a question on your drivers test about. But I have already forgotten what the answer was | 17:51 |
jedimike | if they're wearing chain mail, that means you have been challenged to a duel, I think | 17:52 |
adam_g | clarkb, haha i failed the same question when i transferred my license to OR | 17:53 |
fungi | clarkb: it means lower your lance and charge? | 17:53 |
clarkb | I think the real answer was something like stop beause the horse is spooked | 17:53 |
adam_g | clarkb, yeah | 17:54 |
clarkb | I wanted it to be a turn signal | 17:54 |
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fungi | clarkb: no, they mount blinkers on the horses for that | 17:54 |
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fungi | also halogen headlamps for night-time riding | 17:54 |
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openstackgerrit | David Kranz proposed a change to openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Pass args to stress tox call https://review.openstack.org/127561 | 17:56 |
clarkb | I am glad I didn't hit the downtown DMV too because we had to deq for vehicle registration | 17:56 |
clarkb | it is times like this that I remember the states were basically little countries that pretended to get along | 17:57 |
mordred | clarkb, fungi, jeblair: so - you may be interested in knowing about SpamapS's recently released tool flamel (pip install flamel) | 17:57 |
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mordred | I just added a patch to preserve order - but it's a yaml|json|yaml converter - which also can be used to easily reformat json or yaml cleanly | 17:58 |
fungi | that does look hella useful | 17:58 |
* clarkb remembers a thing about rails derping that so hard | 17:59 | |
fungi | also makes me think of nicolas flamel | 17:59 |
SpamapS | fungi: that is intentional :) | 17:59 |
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fungi | SpamapS: knowing you, i figured it probably was | 17:59 |
SpamapS | well | 17:59 |
SpamapS | it was supposed to be yaml2json | 17:59 |
clarkb | oh cool you can netflix on linux now if you intsall the chromes | 17:59 |
SpamapS | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/yaml2json <-- but it got squatted | 18:00 |
pleia2 | clarkb: yeah, it even works :) | 18:00 |
clarkb | pleia2: without user agent switching now too | 18:00 |
fungi | SpamapS: you could ask r1chardj0n3s_afk for special dispensation | 18:00 |
pleia2 | clarkb: yep! | 18:00 |
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SpamapS | Good job Netflix, just in time for me to never try to watch netflix on anything other than chromecast or roku .. ;) | 18:00 |
SpamapS | fungi: no, now I want it to be flamel :) | 18:00 |
pleia2 | heh, yeah tbh I just use my android tablet | 18:00 |
pleia2 | and my tv | 18:00 |
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SpamapS | because its an awesome name. :) | 18:00 |
fungi | SpamapS: oh, looks like yaml2json has an actual upload anyway | 18:01 |
clarkb | SpamapS: I mostly roku myself, but there are so many things that work better with a real computer so I will gladly switch when I can | 18:01 |
SpamapS | fungi: contents are nothing | 18:01 |
clarkb | amazon video is pretty derpy still | 18:01 |
fungi | nice! | 18:01 |
clarkb | ok we should have new dib on nodepool real soon now | 18:01 |
SpamapS | clarkb: netflix doesn't strike me as one of the things that I want to use a computer for. | 18:01 |
clarkb | going to kick off centos7 build when that updates | 18:01 |
fungi | SpamapS: but yes, flamel is way better. the whole alchemy theme and making json lead into yaml gold ;) | 18:01 |
SpamapS | fungi: haha I was going to say the same thing. Glad I'm not the only one who goes cross eyed when somebody says "edit this json" | 18:02 |
clarkb | SpamapS: there is a computer under my television. It runs VMs during the work day and hulu/netflix/hbogo/et al in the evening | 18:02 |
fungi | SpamapS: i want it to be a c program. it doesn't look like data to me | 18:02 |
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clarkb | at some point it will likely become a steam box | 18:03 |
clarkb | then I can stream to it from desktop | 18:03 |
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fungi | clarkb: yep, i too have a beefy debian machine in a home theater looking atx case so it blends in with the rest of my a/v components. hdmi to the teevee and optical spdif to the surround receiver | 18:04 |
fungi | works out great | 18:04 |
SpamapS | I did that so long ago .. like.. first version of mythtv long ago.. | 18:04 |
mtreinish | fungi: heh, ditto | 18:04 |
SpamapS | and then it broke | 18:04 |
SpamapS | and I was like oh.. I can buy a roku and never care about this again. :) | 18:04 |
mtreinish | fungi: although s/debian/archlinux | 18:05 |
clarkb | except my roku doesn't do subtitles or hbogo | 18:05 |
fungi | got an awesome rechargeable wireless bluetooth keyboard sitting on a charger on the end table next to the sofa. very convenient | 18:05 |
clarkb | it is a bit annoying that upstream basically killed all updates to my roku | 18:05 |
clarkb | \o/ throw away consumer devices that I cannot haxor | 18:06 |
fungi | well, i _mostly_ have it so that i can play linux-based games on the hdtv as if it were a game console | 18:06 |
jeblair | fungi: this is what i use: https://www.tivo.com/shop/detail/tivoslidepro | 18:06 |
jeblair | fungi: (i do not have a tivo; i use it with my myth box) | 18:06 |
fungi | jeblair: neat-o | 18:07 |
jeblair | the 'premiere or mini' version comes with a usb dongle receiver that is a standard usb hid input dev | 18:07 |
fungi | that's conveniently flexible | 18:08 |
clarkb | centos7 dib image rebuilding now | 18:08 |
mtreinish | jeblair, fungi: I use this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ENZRP0G | 18:08 |
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fungi | rax-iad still hasn't gotten a devstack-precise update to "stick" | 18:08 |
jeblair | mtreinish: i mostly use it as a remote; it's just nice to have a keyboard pop out for searching for titles, etc | 18:09 |
jeblair | (i use it with my roku too via the roko http api) | 18:09 |
clarkb | I have first gen of http://www.everythingusb.com/lenovo-enhanced-backlit-remote-keyboard-21358.html | 18:10 |
mtreinish | jeblair: well I've mostly stopped using the keyboard, I use an android xbmc remote which works well | 18:10 |
adam_g | mtreinish, same here | 18:10 |
clarkb | its terrible. So I have a first gen HHKB too that I hook up for real keybaording :) | 18:10 |
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clarkb | tar: unrecognized option '--xattrs' | 18:12 |
clarkb | going to guess that is a peril of consuming newer dib | 18:12 |
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boris-42 | jeblair hi there | 18:13 |
boris-42 | jeblair I have some idea maybe crazy=) | 18:13 |
clarkb | SpamapS: ^ | 18:13 |
jeblair | mtreinish: i'm a fan of buttons i can find in the dark for tv watching. i have an android app for most of this stuff but i rarely use it because of the time it takes to unlock/find correct buttons | 18:13 |
clarkb | SpamapS: does this mean you don't intend on supporting debian or precise? | 18:13 |
fungi | currently using http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000J43HJ8 as the keyboard for my htpc, and then an irda interface (the htpc case i'm using had one built in) to interface from a normal universal remote (phillips pronto touchscreen) | 18:13 |
boris-42 | jeblair we have issue with gerrit that we are not able to have cores in some subset of repo | 18:13 |
jeblair | boris-42: who is "we"? | 18:14 |
boris-42 | jeblair I think every project =) | 18:14 |
boris-42 | jeblair in openstack,stackforge | 18:14 |
boris-42 | jeblair like it was discussion before about nova virt drivers splitting | 18:14 |
jeblair | boris-42: are you a nova core? | 18:14 |
boris-42 | jeblair nope =) | 18:14 |
boris-42 | jeblair I am just saying sample* | 18:15 |
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mtreinish | fungi: damn, that's a shiny looking keyboard | 18:15 |
clarkb | oh fun this is a rhel7 thing | 18:15 |
boris-42 | jeblair like one of reason why splitting of repo is required is to scale review process | 18:15 |
fungi | mtreinish: it's nice for computer games which work better from a full keyboard rather than a game pad | 18:15 |
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clarkb | mordred: we should just run nixos | 18:16 |
boris-42 | jeblair and the reason is that it's not possible to allow people to be core in part of repo* | 18:16 |
mordred | clarkb: ++ | 18:16 |
clarkb | seriously this is ridiculous | 18:16 |
jeblair | boris-42: it is not required. i think you misunderstand the issues. anyway, it may be faster for you to simply state your crazy idea. | 18:16 |
clarkb | if we want centos7 dib images we need a super new version of tar to support their selinux crap which we don't need on slaves | 18:16 |
boris-42 | jeblair yep sure, just to have people that has ability to +2 but not to merge stuff | 18:16 |
boris-42 | jeblair I mean another acl group | 18:16 |
mordred | oh - like a set of people with +2 but not +A ? | 18:17 |
boris-42 | mordred ya | 18:17 |
jeblair | i believe that has been suggested previously | 18:17 |
boris-42 | mordred so they can review their parts | 18:17 |
fungi | that's what openstack/governance does currently | 18:17 |
boris-42 | mordred and if real core found +2 | 18:17 |
mordred | fungi: not really - we have a set of people who only have +1 and one person with +2/+A | 18:17 |
boris-42 | mordred from that reviewer it can just workflow +1 it | 18:17 |
fungi | er, i guess they do +1 restricted instead, yeah | 18:17 |
boris-42 | mordred so this can help to scale process | 18:17 |
boris-42 | mordred like in rally we have benchmarks for different projects (that can be maintained by different people) | 18:18 |
boris-42 | mordred so and we will have scale issues with that | 18:18 |
boris-42 | mordred I believe tempest guys have the same issue (but already) | 18:18 |
boris-42 | mtreinish ^ | 18:18 |
fungi | oh, i know what i was remembering... one of the programs was talking about doing that for their specs repo so that they could have a subset of approvers smaller than the set of core reviewers | 18:18 |
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jeblair | boris-42: here's an alternative suggestion: give people +2 with the understanding that they should only review relevant work, and if they violate the trust, kick them out. | 18:19 |
jeblair | fungi: that makes sense for specs | 18:19 |
mtreinish | boris-42: not really, if we need subject matter experts on a specific project api we just get a core from the project to review it | 18:19 |
boris-42 | jeblair that can work, but for some reason doesn't work=) | 18:19 |
mtreinish | before we approve a patch | 18:20 |
boris-42 | mtreinish so you have core from project + one tempest core? | 18:20 |
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boris-42 | mtreinish I mean no need in 2 cores from project? | 18:20 |
mtreinish | no still needs 2 tempest cores to +2 it | 18:20 |
jeblair | boris-42: afaik it's never been tried :) | 18:20 |
fungi | boris-42: why do you say that doesn't work? | 18:20 |
boris-42 | mtreinish ah | 18:20 |
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boris-42 | fungi I didn't see that | 18:20 |
mtreinish | boris-42: but if there is a question about an api intricacy we just ask someone from that project to review it | 18:21 |
boris-42 | mtreinish ya sure, I was thinking about landing faster patches in master | 18:21 |
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jeblair | boris-42: we can also scale out projects by adopting the kernel subsystem model using branches in gerrit | 18:21 |
boris-42 | mtreinish and approaches to scale team by reducing amount of work of core team | 18:21 |
jeblair | boris-42: however, i believe nova has chosen to split out modules because it makes sense technically | 18:21 |
notmyname | are core team so big that they don't regularly communicate or know what each are good at? | 18:22 |
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boris-42 | notmyname it's not about what I am saying, it's about making from regular developers halfcores | 18:22 |
fungi | that sounds like a good reason to start breaking components out into separate projects anyway | 18:22 |
SpamapS | clarkb: No, it means we don't _test_ on debian or precise. ;) | 18:23 |
fungi | having lots of people hacking independently on different parts of one piece of software is a recipe for bugs | 18:23 |
boris-42 | jeblair heh it's becomes hard for end user to use end product | 18:23 |
clarkb | mordred: so this is a flavor of the systemd and kernel thing I was worried about | 18:23 |
clarkb | mordred: you cannot build centos7 images on precise or wheezy | 18:23 |
boris-42 | jeblair like if it was one repo for project + one repo for client -> simple | 18:23 |
boris-42 | jeblair over 9k repos -> hard= | 18:24 |
SpamapS | clarkb: you can't? | 18:24 |
SpamapS | clarkb: we've been doing fedora images for quite a while... | 18:24 |
clarkb | SpamapS: nope, you need tar --xattrs | 18:24 |
SpamapS | Oh that | 18:24 |
clarkb | SpamapS: other wise selinux breaks simple things like ping | 18:24 |
clarkb | because broken secure linux is better than useable linux | 18:24 |
SpamapS | clarkb: isn't that only for -t ? | 18:24 |
boris-42 | jeblair and in any case big duplication of code=) | 18:25 |
boris-42 | jeblair even with libs=) | 18:25 |
mordred | clarkb: gross | 18:25 |
clarkb | SpamapS: I am reading edd74778912db5d4ae261f17d2ea8695d9e9ee0a in dib | 18:25 |
SpamapS | clarkb: anyway, sounds like we can't support -t on old versions of tar | 18:25 |
mordred | clarkb: will my docker-dib patch help this problem? | 18:25 |
mordred | SpamapS: who cares about old versions of tar? | 18:25 |
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clarkb | mordred: I do | 18:25 |
mordred | really? | 18:25 |
SpamapS | mordred: philistines | 18:25 |
clarkb | yes I cannot build iamges right now | 18:26 |
SpamapS | case in point.. | 18:26 |
mordred | clarkb: I'm not trolling - why? | 18:26 |
SpamapS | :) | 18:26 |
boris-42 | jeblair but it's another big topic=) | 18:26 |
clarkb | mordred: because nodepool runs on precise | 18:26 |
mordred | OH. and precise has an old tar | 18:26 |
mordred | gotcha | 18:26 |
clarkb | dib is now broken | 18:26 |
SpamapS | honestly, there's nothing you can do about it | 18:26 |
clarkb | completel | 18:26 |
clarkb | *completely | 18:26 |
SpamapS | centos7 is now broken you mean. ;) | 18:26 |
SpamapS | actually | 18:26 |
clarkb | SpamapS: no I think everything | 18:26 |
SpamapS | we could try to use tar from inside the chroot. | 18:26 |
clarkb | its a common extraction function | 18:26 |
clarkb | oh its a common redhat function nevermind just centos7 is broken | 18:27 |
fungi | we could, in theory, install a trusty chroot on nodepool.o.o and then run dib from that... another turtle on the pile | 18:27 |
clarkb | and potentially fedora | 18:27 |
SpamapS | no Ubuntu wants the xattrs to | 18:27 |
SpamapS | we just worked around it | 18:27 |
SpamapS | mmmm turtlepile | 18:27 |
fungi | or we could work on upgrading nodepool.o.o to trusty | 18:27 |
fungi | which needs to eventually happen anyway | 18:28 |
jesusaurus | is it not possible to backport new tar to precise? has that not already been done by someone? | 18:28 |
clarkb | most of my frustration is that this is specifically a thing I was told not to worry aout | 18:28 |
clarkb | and its happening | 18:28 |
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greghaynes | does the selinux attrs issue matter if you run in permissive? I think we currently require that right now... | 18:28 |
greghaynes | er, run selinux in permissive | 18:28 |
clarkb | greghaynes: looks like other xattrs are at play too | 18:29 |
jeblair | clarkb: the problem is you are worrying about it, contrary to the instructions you were given! | 18:29 |
greghaynes | :( | 18:29 |
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clarkb | dib is not a sufficient abstraction to ensure builds work cross distro | 18:29 |
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clarkb | or across releases of a distro | 18:29 |
clarkb | if you are homogenous its fine | 18:29 |
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openstackgerrit | Christian Fetzer proposed a change to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Add support for the Jenkins Clang Scan-Build publisher plugin. https://review.openstack.org/117958 | 18:31 |
fungi | though as a future design idea, building on the idea to farm out dib tasks to separate workers, we could in theory have nodepool use base images of various platforms to run native dib builds | 18:31 |
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SpamapS | clarkb: honestly, we can revert it | 18:32 |
clarkb | I don't think a revert is the right answer. THis is just a limitation of dib | 18:32 |
clarkb | its one that most people are happ with because they deploy a homogenous environment | 18:32 |
mordred | clarkb: to be fair - it's actually a limitation of dib on precise | 18:32 |
SpamapS | clarkb: or provide a flag to disable it. | 18:33 |
SpamapS | clarkb: but it would still break centos7 | 18:33 |
mordred | clarkb: at this point, there are plenty of things that dont' work well on precise | 18:33 |
SpamapS | The only want to make centos7 builds work is to do them from an OS that has a working tar. | 18:33 |
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clarkb | mordred: it is a specific manifestation of a generic bug | 18:33 |
arosen | fungi: I think you were maybe mentioning in issue around using git fetch from zuul directly a while back? I'm seeing this weird issue in our ci that it doesn't seem to get the right patch using: $ZUUL_URL/$ZUUL_PROJECT $ZUUL_REF in jenkins_jobs/config | 18:33 |
mordred | we could change dib to use libguestfs, for instance, which uses kvm vms to do its work | 18:33 |
clarkb | s/bug/limitation/ whatever term is appropriate | 18:34 |
mordred | but you'd STILL need a modern host os to do that | 18:34 |
SpamapS | dib isn't going to spin up an os, just to build a chroot for another OS. | 18:34 |
arosen | fungi: is this a thing? | 18:34 |
fungi | arosen: i don't specifically _remember_ saying something about that | 18:34 |
SpamapS | libguestfs has come up multiple times. | 18:34 |
SpamapS | probably worth looking into it for the next backward incompatible breakage OS vendors embrace. ;) | 18:35 |
fungi | arosen: do you have apache configured on the machine where your merger is running so that it serves those repositories? | 18:35 |
mordred | SpamapS: I actually like the docker patch better, tbh | 18:35 |
mordred | SpamapS: and then just using libguestfs to do the tarball-to-image conversion | 18:35 |
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SpamapS | yeah docker wouldn't solve this though, would it? We still do root.d from outside the docker or chroot. | 18:35 |
mordred | SpamapS: what do you think happens in root.d in the docker patch? | 18:36 |
arosen | fungi: i do. let me show make a quick paste with the snips: | 18:36 |
mordred | SpamapS: because let me tell you, extracting a cloud tarball is not one of the things | 18:36 |
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SpamapS | I haven't looked closely at what root.d changes there are. | 18:36 |
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mordred | SpamapS: in the docker patch, images start from the docker base images | 18:37 |
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fungi | stevemar: this succeeded... http://logs.openstack.org/28/127528/4/check/check-tempest-dsvm-neutron-heat-slow-icehouse/25fae7b/console.html | 18:37 |
openstackgerrit | Khai Do proposed a change to openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: fix delete job command and add tests https://review.openstack.org/127370 | 18:38 |
fungi | stevemar: check-tempest-dsvm-neutron-heat-slow-icehouse was one of the affected jobs, right? | 18:38 |
SpamapS | mordred: so side-steps the issue. And would also not work on precise most likely. ;) | 18:38 |
mordred | SpamapS: I do not care about supporting running on precise | 18:38 |
clarkb | arosen: we would be very surprised if the zuul ref did not point to the right patch | 18:38 |
mordred | this is new software | 18:38 |
clarkb | arosen: how are you checking that? | 18:38 |
SpamapS | mordred: nor I, but I do care about not breaking backward compatibility without good reason. | 18:38 |
mordred | sure | 18:38 |
arosen | fungi: http://paste.openstack.org/show/120199/ | 18:39 |
arosen | clarkb: ^ | 18:39 |
SpamapS | having docker == good reason for dib 2.0 ;) | 18:39 |
nkinder | fungi: I was seeing it in check-tempest-dsvm-neutron-icehouse | 18:39 |
mordred | SpamapS: it would be ENTIRELY possible to write a root.d that pulled a cloud image, extracted it and imported it as a docker base image | 18:39 |
nkinder | fungi: I'm not sure if check-tempest-dsvm-neutron-heat-slow was affected | 18:39 |
mordred | I just think that would be a giant waste of time and be much less pleasant for everyone | 18:39 |
mordred | since the cloud images are all bloated and large and contain tons of stuff that people may not actually want | 18:40 |
SpamapS | mordred: it's necessary to support other people whose root.d elements are not in-tree and who may not ship docker images *cough*hlinux*cough* | 18:40 |
mordred | imho | 18:40 |
mordred | SpamapS: I do not care | 18:40 |
clarkb | arosen: did you check out fetch_head? | 18:40 |
mordred | SpamapS: they can ship a docker image | 18:40 |
mordred | it's REALLY easy to do | 18:40 |
clarkb | arosen: it looks like you haven't checked out the code you fetched | 18:40 |
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mordred | SpamapS: I do not believe tools need to take in to account the random workflows of people who chose to not engage or participate in the process | 18:41 |
SpamapS | mordred: what you're describing is a complete backward compatibility break. I am sure when you're on the other side of those, you get all Naruto-ragey on the perpetrator. :) | 18:41 |
arosen | clarkb: i did: git fetch is that not right? | 18:41 |
clarkb | mordred: so my gripe with just saying "upgrade" is this process has been 6 months in the making and it should've been a couple weeks of work. | 18:41 |
mordred | SpamapS: I would be suggesting the patch be a 2.0 | 18:41 |
clarkb | arosen: no git fetch only retrives the refs, it does not check them out | 18:41 |
fungi | arosen: right, git checkout FETCH_HEAD | 18:41 |
mordred | clarkb: I agree. I'm not saying I don't think that this is annoying | 18:42 |
clarkb | mordred: so something is clearly broken | 18:42 |
clarkb | it may not be dib | 18:42 |
mordred | clarkb: only that, for a dib 2.0 I don't particulary think that supporting precise needs to be a goal | 18:42 |
clarkb | we are talking about 1.33 though | 18:42 |
fungi | nkinder: ahh, i thought it was all neutron-based tempest jobs on icehouse (because of trying to use ovswitch on ubuntu precise) | 18:43 |
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arosen | should FETCH_HEAD be some combination of $ZUUL_URL/$ZUUL_PROJECT $ZUUL_REF? | 18:43 |
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clarkb | arosen: no FETCH_HEAD is the last ref that you fetched | 18:43 |
clarkb | so `git fetch something && git checkout FETCH_HEAD` checks out whatever something was | 18:43 |
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SpamapS | clarkb: I'm pretty sure dib is failing fast, where it used to fail slow by booting centos7 without a working ping. :-P | 18:44 |
nkinder | fungi: it's consistently failed in just the one job for stevemar and I - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126475/ | 18:44 |
clarkb | SpamapS: it didn't even boot centos7 before | 18:44 |
clarkb | SpamapS: but that is apparently because the base image was broken | 18:44 |
jeblair | mordred, clarkb: there are some folks (including inside of hp) that would like to have windows nodes with nodepool; that may be possible using windows-diskimage-builder, but that needs to run on a windows host | 18:44 |
arosen | clarkb: ah okay I see I need to add && git checkout FETCH_HEAD exactly what you were saying | 18:44 |
arosen | thanks guys! | 18:45 |
fungi | nkinder: okay, so in theory this one is running with the kernel downgrade applied... https://jenkins03.openstack.org/job/check-tempest-dsvm-neutron-icehouse/2240/console | 18:45 |
jeblair | mordred, clarkb: the suggestion from clarkb of farming out image creation may solve both our current problem and the windows problem | 18:45 |
SpamapS | right the waters are murky. My point is, the xattrs stuff is isolated to the bits that it fixes from what I can tell | 18:45 |
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SpamapS | mmm API for dib | 18:45 |
clarkb | jeblair: yes I think that is the correct long term thing to do | 18:46 |
nkinder | fungi: cool, I'll keep an eye on it and cross my fingers | 18:46 |
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clarkb | jeblair: but it is hard for me as the person doing a bunch of the work to keep tripping over all these things and not want to go back to what we currently have | 18:46 |
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clarkb | it works, reliably, with minimal fuss beyond publication of images | 18:46 |
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jeblair | publication of images is not the primary reason we're doing this, it's just a nice side benefit | 18:47 |
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jeblair | consistency and efficiency are i think the primary drivers | 18:47 |
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jeblair | (rax != hp) | 18:47 |
clarkb | we can get that too with the current system | 18:47 |
jeblair | clarkb: we can get consistency? | 18:47 |
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clarkb | we could build a single snapshot image, download it, convert it to whatever other formats we need then upload it to all of the others | 18:48 |
clarkb | that snapshot image could be based on base images we control not images provided by the cloud providers | 18:48 |
clarkb | and we would have consistent images across all providers | 18:48 |
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jesusaurus | why does openstackgerrit timeout so often? | 18:51 |
clarkb | (if we don't want nodepool to be growing features like this packer does support most of that workflow) | 18:51 |
mordred | ugh | 18:52 |
mordred | no | 18:52 |
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jeblair | jesusaurus: because it doesn't actively ping the server and reconnect on ping timeouts like uvirtbot | 18:52 |
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jeblair | mordred: ? | 18:52 |
jesusaurus | jeblair: ahh | 18:52 |
mordred | everything about how packer works grinds my brain like broken glass | 18:53 |
mordred | I want no part in use touching it | 18:53 |
mordred | su | 18:53 |
mordred | us | 18:53 |
clarkb | mordred: it basically does what nodepool does today | 18:53 |
clarkb | they work almost identically | 18:53 |
mordred | it just does it obtusely and completely unintelligently | 18:53 |
mordred | unintelligibly | 18:53 |
fungi | restarted the gerritbot just now | 18:54 |
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fungi | and it's back | 18:55 |
mrmartin | re | 18:55 |
fungi | out to grab a late lunch, then back as soon as i can be | 18:56 |
mordred | clarkb: ranting aside, can you point me towards an example of a packer config file that does something? | 18:56 |
mordred | clarkb: because every time I've tried to read their docs, their examples are so mind-bendingly stupid that I cannot tell how I'd actually perform a real task | 18:57 |
mordred | clarkb: this may come from the fact that something about the way the packer/vagrant world thinks of things and the way I think of them are at odds | 18:57 |
mordred | considering I find vagrant useless as well | 18:57 |
clarkb | https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-and-get-started-with-packer-on-an-ubuntu-12-04-vps#provisioning | 18:57 |
clarkb | you have a builder section and shell provisioners | 18:58 |
clarkb | its almost identical to what nodepool config looks like | 18:58 |
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mordred | clarkb: what would we gain from doing that? | 18:58 |
clarkb | mordred: nodepool wouldn't need to have the code in it | 18:59 |
clarkb | we get image built in similar way that should always work because it runs on the resulting platform | 18:59 |
clarkb | then nodepool can copy resulting image to all the other regions | 18:59 |
clarkb | or just have nodepool do it | 18:59 |
clarkb | it already does most of it | 18:59 |
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mordred | I don't think we gain anything by adding packer to the mix | 19:00 |
mordred | being able to build locally without needing a cloud is one of the nice things about dib, as is the local caching of objects and the fact that the tool is easy to set up and reproduce locally | 19:00 |
clarkb | mordred: except we have just said that we cannot do it without a cloud | 19:00 |
mordred | if we stay with using cloud instances to do things, then I think just adding features to nodepool is fine | 19:00 |
mordred | clarkb: that is a thing that has been said | 19:01 |
mordred | I believe that there is currentlya bug in dib | 19:01 |
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mordred | since being able to do this is a core feature of the tool | 19:01 |
mordred | and I dont think that ditching because we've uncovered a bug is the right choice | 19:01 |
clarkb | mordred: I am more worried that we are ditching a known good for a new thing that has known bads | 19:02 |
mordred | we are ditching a thing with some known good and some known bad for a new thing with some known good and some known bad | 19:03 |
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mordred | this is always the case in a tech switch | 19:03 |
clarkb | (and I have been happy to patch both nodepool and dib to accomodate this, but the idea that we need a new server farm just to build images with dib which is already a thing we can do without dib seems silly) | 19:04 |
mordred | I do not think we need a new server farm | 19:04 |
jeblair | i think we should consider a new server farm :) | 19:05 |
jeblair | so how about this: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Wl3SlDweHu | 19:05 |
jeblair | i'm attempting to solve the current problem, the windows problem, and just plain make the system more flexible | 19:05 |
mordred | jeblair: on 5 - what do you mean by providers? | 19:06 |
jeblair | i'm thinking split things out via gearman workers like we do with zuul | 19:06 |
jeblair | mordred: cloud providers: hp/rax | 19:06 |
mordred | jeblair: k. I think I might want to suggest a slightly different thing then ... | 19:06 |
jeblair | clarkb, mordred: if we decide we don't want any new servers for this, we can still run it all on one host | 19:07 |
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jeblair | clarkb, mordred: if we decide we want to split nodepool from the image builder (2 servers) we can do that | 19:07 |
jeblair | clarkb, mordred: if we decide we need to build centos7 images on a separate host (3 servers) we can do that | 19:07 |
mordred | hrm. wait - let me float the idea here first | 19:07 |
jeblair | clarkb, mordred: and the windows folks can run windows-dib on a separate server | 19:08 |
mordred | jeblair: I think having a content producer job and an uploader job would be helpful | 19:08 |
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mordred | jeblair: because the content producer can produce a base thing like a raw or a tar.gz | 19:08 |
jeblair | clarkb, mordred: and we can swap out builders if we decide we want to use dib/docker/packer/whatever | 19:08 |
mordred | jeblair: and different providers need that in different formats | 19:08 |
jeblair | mordred: i was thinking the upload should be part of the build job so that it's guaranteed to run on the same host and the resulting image does not need to be copied around | 19:09 |
mordred | you know - if we start with your thing, we can always split it in twain later if need be | 19:10 |
mordred | I think in the docker case there is an optimization that can be gained by splitting - but we're so many steps away from that ... | 19:10 |
mordred | so I'll drop it for now | 19:10 |
jeblair | yeah; i mean those are solvable problems (we can include routing information so the job goes to the right worker; we do that with zuul today) | 19:10 |
jeblair | (i do think copying the image around is silly though) | 19:11 |
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mordred | totally | 19:12 |
jeblair | mordred: i sketched out how do do a two-phase thing | 19:13 |
mordred | yah. I like that as a possible-step-2 | 19:13 |
mordred | but not needed right now | 19:13 |
jeblair | i guess that gets us a separation of the "convert image to format needed by provider and upload" bit from the "know how to build an image" bit. that makes sense for more plugability/flexibility. | 19:14 |
mordred | and like zuul, if you want a single-node thing, the workers can just co-locate | 19:14 |
jeblair | yup | 19:14 |
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stevemar2 | fungi, do you think it's worth setting the neutron-icehouse job as non-voting? cc nkinder i'm wondering how long it'll take that bug to be fixed | 19:23 |
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openstackgerrit | Edward Raigosa (wenlock) proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: provide an option in plugin to pre-update a plugin with puppet https://review.openstack.org/104652 | 19:29 |
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clarkb | stevemar2 didnt we just fix the kernel thing? | 19:29 |
stevemar2 | clarkb, let me do a recheck... last i tried it wasn't | 19:30 |
clarkb | I dont want to make something like that nonvoting when we have a fix | 19:30 |
stevemar2 | clarkb, of course not | 19:31 |
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nkinder | fungi: looks like that neutron-icehouse job succeeded! | 19:59 |
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clarkb | SpamapS: mordred because I just noticed after tests on my dib change failed. we do test dib on precise... | 19:59 |
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nkinder | fungi: I'll kick one of the failing reviews in a bit and see if it makes it through | 20:00 |
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ZZelle_ | Hi everyone! | 20:04 |
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openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/requirements: Add tempest-lib as a global requirement and a tracked project https://review.openstack.org/122478 | 20:06 |
ZZelle_ | Does someone know how many times it takes to ubuntu to publish as packages OpenStack last release? | 20:06 |
ZZelle_ | (typically 2014.1.3 :)) | 20:07 |
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fungi | nkinder: thanks--excellent news! | 20:17 |
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fungi | i should have gone to lunch sooner. broadband was back in service when i returned home | 20:21 |
pleia2 | fungi: ssshhh, don't say that outloud, it might go away again | 20:22 |
pleia2 | lunch is a good idea | 20:22 |
fungi | i'm just glad to not be forwarding all my packets through cell towers again | 20:24 |
fungi | such is island life | 20:24 |
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fungi | mrmartin: if you're still around, when do you think would be a good time for me to rebuild/replace groups.openstack.org with a 4gb server? | 20:26 |
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fungi | mrmartin: judging from http://cacti.openstack.org/cacti/graph.php?action=view&local_graph_id=2091&rra_id=all it very quickly spiked back up to using all its memory after i restarted apache | 20:27 |
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fungi | mrmartin: by comparison, groups-dev seems to use right at 1.5gb of ram so maybe this is a tuning choice? http://cacti.openstack.org/cacti/graph.php?action=view&local_graph_id=2115&rra_id=all | 20:29 |
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fungi | i would hate for us to throw extra capacity at a system just because we hadn't bothered to adjust it from its default settings | 20:30 |
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mrmartin | fungi, I'm here now | 20:39 |
mrmartin | if you don't want to recreate the instance now, what you think about adding an 1GB of swap? | 20:40 |
fungi | mrmartin: it already has 1gb of swap, but rackspace seems to freak out when an instance starts swapping heavily. apparently their storage backend can't set quotas around i/o ops | 20:41 |
fungi | so heavy swap usage creates a denial-of-service situation for other instances sharing the same backend | 20:41 |
mrmartin | ok. I also want to add a varnish to this stack, and it needs at least 1G memory | 20:42 |
fungi | mrmartin: no problem. i'm happy to upgrade us to a bigger instance if we actually need it, just curious when you think would be good timing | 20:43 |
mrmartin | could we recreate this instance with 4G? Yesterday I asked a guy who is running a larger Drupal 7 site, and they have servers with 12G and 20G of memory. | 20:43 |
fungi | mrmartin: i can easily build a 4g replacement for it | 20:43 |
mrmartin | could this survive until monday, or we need to do it now? | 20:43 |
fungi | mrmartin: it can wait to next week, no problem | 20:43 |
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fungi | mrmartin: my biggest concern is whether bringing up a replacement in parallel with the running instance will create database locking issues since they would attempt to share the same database server | 20:44 |
fungi | mrmartin: which determines whether we need to shut down the current machine when bringing up the replacement, or can do a faster dns cut-over with both of them up and running in parallel | 20:45 |
mrmartin | you are right, if you bring up a new instance, it will kill the db :) | 20:45 |
mrmartin | the actual drupal puppet was not planned as a cluster solution | 20:45 |
fungi | mrmartin: we can also mitigate that in a few different ways, but just want to figure out if it's worth the effort, or if taking it down for an hour on a weekend is acceptable | 20:46 |
fungi | no point in making things hard for ourselves for minimal gain, after all | 20:46 |
mrmartin | I think it is, we don't have an SLA | 20:46 |
mrmartin | do we have db backups for this database? | 20:47 |
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mrmartin | anyway I think, if you recreate the instance, we won't lost any data, because now everything comes from third party data sources. | 20:48 |
fungi | mrmartin: doesn't look like we have automated backups of it, though we can create on-demand backups fairly easily | 20:48 |
jeblair | we should use the typical local backup -> backup server pattern | 20:49 |
fungi | mrmartin: and if we want, we can set up automated backups, yes | 20:49 |
jeblair | the mysql_backups puppet module | 20:49 |
mrmartin | so don't even need to do a backup now. but this will change if we can finish this openstackid integration and end users and the users will produce content. | 20:49 |
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fungi | jeblair: yeah, that's what i was checking for. we can add it fairly easily though | 20:50 |
mrmartin | in the future it is easy to setup at least a 2 node cluster, so it can survive this type of upgrade. the only criteria is that it requires a shared fs for user content files. | 20:51 |
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fungi | mrmartin: right, the shared fs might be hard to come by unless we provide some sort of virtual shared filesystem... (there's one in particular which comes to mind) | 20:52 |
mrmartin | ok, so now, you can even recreate the instance, we won't lost any data. | 20:52 |
clarkb | zaro: are you around? would really like to see the comments on gearman-plugin change addressed so that we can update that plugin in the near future | 20:53 |
mrmartin | fungi, we used nfs in a production system before, but I can imagine better solutions now. | 20:53 |
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mrmartin | if the varnish is caching up the static assets it can be right. | 20:53 |
fungi | yep | 20:54 |
mordred | shared filesystem is easy | 20:54 |
mordred | it's in our plans already | 20:54 |
fungi | mordred: swift fuse plugin? cinder mount with takeover signaling? | 20:54 |
fungi | mordred: ohhhh | 20:54 |
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fungi | (i think you mean the same one i meant in my "can think of one" offhand comment) | 20:55 |
mordred | jeblair: ^^ another use case / need for our next project | 20:55 |
mrmartin | so, what's plan with this rebuild? Postpone to monday? | 20:55 |
clarkb | should we remove the centos7-dib image from nodepool until we are able to build it reliably? otherwise we will continue to boot broken nodes | 20:55 |
mordred | clarkb: yes. I think that's probably very right | 20:55 |
fungi | mrmartin: yeah, it's fine for the weekend. i just wanted to find out what sort of process i should plan to follow | 20:55 |
fungi | mrmartin: we can revisit on minday | 20:56 |
fungi | monday even | 20:56 |
mrmartin | ok, write on me on monday. | 20:56 |
fungi | will do | 20:56 |
fungi | thanks and have a great evening! | 20:56 |
mrmartin | one more thing | 20:56 |
* fungi nods | 20:56 | |
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mrmartin | I had a discussion with Stefano today about this openstackid, and we have two options here, a, put cloudflare in front the service | 20:57 |
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mrmartin | or b, add the mod_security plugin to apache. | 20:57 |
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jeblair | mrmartin: why? | 20:57 |
mrmartin | we are a waiting for a decision in this topic also. | 20:57 |
mrmartin | jeblair: because this app is handling the authentication, and have access to user accounts. | 20:58 |
mrmartin | it is also a decision, to not do anything :) | 20:58 |
fungi | i gather there are concerns with unknown vulnerabilities lingering in the php code which is the openstackid service | 20:58 |
openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed a change to openstack-infra/config: Set devstack-centos7-dib min ready to 0 https://review.openstack.org/127652 | 20:58 |
mrmartin | but I sleep better if I know we did everything reasonable. | 20:59 |
fungi | in the interim, i built the server but disabled http/https access from the internet via iptables until we have the all-clear to make it reachable | 20:59 |
fungi | i've whitelisted my own ip address and performed some rudimentary tests against the interface which show it seems to be working as designed, at least | 21:00 |
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mrmartin | allright, I need to go now, let's do this upgrade on Monday. | 21:01 |
jeblair | mod_security is reasonable, if quite a bit of work to set up correctly, and really only blocks the most basic of attacks (eg, sql injection through URLs) | 21:01 |
fungi | i have a suspicion cloudflare doesn't block much more than that, but is also not free software | 21:01 |
mrmartin | jeblair: in both case we need to retest the application again, because mod_security also can brake things :) | 21:01 |
mordred | what's a cloud flare? | 21:01 |
clarkb | CDN | 21:01 |
nibalizer | mordred: its like if you took a plane to the clouds and told them to be faster | 21:02 |
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jeblair | tbh, if we're so afraid that the app has that kind of vulnerability, perhaps we should use a different app. | 21:02 |
mordred | why do we need a CDN for security? | 21:02 |
nibalizer | jeblair: ++ for that philosophy | 21:02 |
fungi | mordred: the non-free caching proxy service in front of the www.openstack.org site which likes to periodically break fro anyone connecting from the summit conference network | 21:02 |
mordred | oh. so, I'll say | 21:02 |
mordred | NO | 21:02 |
mordred | that's done | 21:02 |
mordred | next question? | 21:02 |
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openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed a change to openstack-infra/storyboard: Filter stories by project_id, status, project_group_id, more. https://review.openstack.org/127653 | 21:02 |
mrmartin | so which one is tho no, the cloudflare? | 21:03 |
mordred | yes | 21:03 |
mordred | no to cloudflare | 21:03 |
mordred | not an optino | 21:03 |
jeblair | yes: no. :) | 21:03 |
mrmartin | ok, I'll prepare a patch for mod_security on monday | 21:03 |
fungi | i'd like to say they're both no and we should just make sure we have confidence in the security of the software we're running instead | 21:03 |
* krotscheck finally figured out SQLAlchemy magic. | 21:03 | |
mordred | tahnks! | 21:03 |
mrmartin | and try to do some app level test, also. | 21:03 |
krotscheck | But he’s NOT happy with the size of the join that the search story by project group is creating. | 21:04 |
krotscheck | aaaanyway | 21:04 |
jeblair | fungi: mod_false_sense_of_security | 21:04 |
mordred | krotscheck: woot! | 21:04 |
fungi | the one thing mod_security *does* have going for it is that it's moderately easier to add your own patterns to block if you end up under an active attack and can capture a sample of the payload | 21:04 |
mordred | that's a nice feature | 21:04 |
mrmartin | last time I deployed mod_security, half of the app was broken due some rules. | 21:04 |
fungi | but that's a bit of a corner case | 21:04 |
fungi | and really, you *can* do the same thing directly in your apache config | 21:05 |
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krotscheck | mordred: You know SQL things, mind looking through this review chain? I promise it won’t take more than a day. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126428/ | 21:05 |
fungi | mod_rewrite to the bitbucket | 21:05 |
mrmartin | ok, guys, have a nice day there, really going now. | 21:06 |
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fungi | having managed my share of different network intrusion detection services, some free software, some commercial, some hardware-based devices, the one thing they all have in common is that they break you at random for no good reason | 21:06 |
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mordred | ++ | 21:07 |
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fungi | because, really, the line between unusual but legitimate traffic vs unknown new malicious attack is basically indistinguishable | 21:07 |
clarkb | the one feature that I Have used in the past that workedreliably was not returning 500 responses to clients because security | 21:08 |
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clarkb | it just confused people but it did so reliably | 21:08 |
fungi | and i can say i never recommended one to anybody, but managed plenty because a customer (or more often their $tandard$ compliance auditors) insisted they had to have one even if we couldn't guarantee against it causing random breakage in the middle of their black friday gonzo sale spectacular | 21:10 |
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krotscheck | It’s not like our code isn’t visible to the world. Anyone who cares can pull our server profiles from puppetboard, the code that’s being run from git, and look for intrusion measures to their eharts content. | 21:12 |
clarkb | SpamapS: so why is tar involved at all? are distros not handing out qcows that can be mounted direclty? | 21:13 |
flashgordon | mordred: do you know why nova has this http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/python-novaclient/tree/novaclient/auth_plugin.py | 21:14 |
flashgordon | auth plugins in the client | 21:15 |
flashgordon | I think RAX uses it | 21:15 |
mordred | clarkb: because it needs to be in a chroot | 21:15 |
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mordred | clarkb: most of dib does chroot, not nbd-bind-mount | 21:15 |
clarkb | mordred: but you could mount and chroot into the mount right? | 21:16 |
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mordred | clarkb: this is why this particularly thing is fixed by the docker-dib patch, because that just pulls base images from docker | 21:16 |
mordred | clarkb: maybe so? dunno, I haven't tried that | 21:16 |
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clarkb | apparentl my dib patch is now broken too but I can't reproduce locally | 21:17 |
openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed a change to openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient: Subscription events now appear in UI https://review.openstack.org/114404 | 21:18 |
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mordred | clarkb: ok. I've just officially done something on reddit | 21:30 |
mordred | clarkb: does that mean either I or reddit are so last year? | 21:31 |
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clarkb | mordred: reddit is last year. they are going to start paying users and charging people to link to their own stuff | 21:31 |
clarkb | which is probably a great thing for some people | 21:31 |
mordred | clarkb: ewww | 21:33 |
clarkb | I am running a centos7 build on trusty rael quick to see if that works | 21:34 |
clarkb | mordred: SpamapS: so I think "Repacking base image as tarball." is a really weird step | 21:35 |
clarkb | its slow | 21:35 |
clarkb | and breaks builds | 21:35 |
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clarkb | regardless of xattr and tar and any other potential issues. I am still having a hard time understanding why that step is necessary | 21:36 |
fungi | mordred: reddit is the new 4chan | 21:37 |
JayF | fungi: HN is the new reddit? | 21:37 |
fungi | JayF: usenet is the new hn | 21:37 |
JayF | fungi: and nobody will tell us where the new HN is because when it gets popular everyone gets pushed a step down the line? | 21:38 |
mordred | fungi: yes! | 21:38 |
* fungi blows your mind | 21:38 | |
JayF | hiding in plain sight. I like it. | 21:38 |
openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed a change to openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient: New search parameters. https://review.openstack.org/127660 | 21:39 |
openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed a change to openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient: New search parameters. https://review.openstack.org/127660 | 21:40 |
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mordred | flashgordon: it was an old thing | 21:40 |
flashgordon | mordred: I think its a case of special code for racksapce | 21:40 |
flashgordon | which you should submit a patch to remove | 21:41 |
mordred | right. well, it was added when we originally removed direct support for rax auth in python-novaclient | 21:41 |
mordred | flashgordon: I think we should not bother until novaclient is using keystoneclient | 21:42 |
mordred | because keystoneclient does have an auth plugin system that is for things other than vendor compat | 21:42 |
mordred | (oauth comes to mind) | 21:42 |
mordred | and any monkeying around with novaclient auth support that isn't porting to keystoneclient is a waste of time, imho | 21:42 |
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flashgordon | mordred: we are close to using keystone client for everything | 21:45 |
flashgordon | oh I didn't realize keystoneclient has what we need already | 21:45 |
flashgordon | I suspected that was the case though | 21:45 |
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mordred | flashgordon: well, you'll LOVE the thing deva and I just leaned about tenant_name vs. tenant_id | 21:50 |
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mmedvede | Hi there, I am having issues with nodepoold startng up. It runs for 10 seconds, and dies. Logs are empty. Anybody has an advise to diagnose the issue? | 21:51 |
* fungi is afraid to find out | 21:51 | |
flashgordon | mordred: oh do tell | 21:51 |
fungi | mmedvede: check that there isn't a stale pidfile in /var/run/nodepool, and that nodepool has appropriate permissions to create a pidfile there | 21:52 |
mordred | flashgordon: well, against hp and rackspace public cloud, project_id and project_name are interchangable, it does not matter which one you use | 21:52 |
mordred | flashgordon: but against devstack, it does matter | 21:52 |
mmedvede | fungi, I made sure that the pidfile is empty and is ownded by nodepool user | 21:52 |
flashgordon | mordred: guh | 21:52 |
flashgordon | mordred: well project_id and project_name are different things right? | 21:53 |
fungi | mmedvede: it has permission to write its logfiles too? | 21:53 |
mordred | flashgordon: yes - except unless you're talking to rax or hp public cloud | 21:53 |
flashgordon | and is that all with keystone v2 or v3? | 21:53 |
flashgordon | so rax and HP both have the same hack? | 21:53 |
mordred | flashgordon: you can pass a tenant name in as project_id against those and it works | 21:53 |
fungi | mmedvede: you might have more luck using su to switch to your nodepool user and trying to start nodepoold interactively without disassociating from the controlling terminal | 21:53 |
mmedvede | fungi, yes, nodepool user is 666 on the logs, double checking to make sure... | 21:54 |
mordred | flashgordon: also, news flash - as a user, I do not know or care if I'm using keystone v2 or v3 - I just want to authenticate | 21:54 |
mtreinish | mordred: sure you do, on one you have to worry about a domain and what that means | 21:54 |
mmedvede | fungi, I think the interactive node is what I am looking for | 21:54 |
mtreinish | and the other works the way you know | 21:54 |
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devananda | flashgordon: http://paste.openstack.org/show/4v5JtwbGNu6QhQ3K5oQ1/ | 21:55 |
mordred | mtreinish: let me rephrase that for you: | 21:55 |
fungi | mmedvede: nodepoold -d | 21:55 |
fungi | mmedvede: nodepoold --help tells you what command-line options it accepts too | 21:55 |
mtreinish | mordred: I'm not saying it should be that way | 21:55 |
mordred | mtreinish: def get_keystone_token(auth_url, username, password, tenant_name, region=None, domain=none): | 21:56 |
flashgordon | devananda: lolz | 21:56 |
mordred | now, as a user, I do not have to care ^^ | 21:56 |
mmedvede | fungi, great! thanks for advise, I should be good from here | 21:56 |
mordred | because if I provide a domain, something will happen, and if I don't, a different thing will happen | 21:56 |
mtreinish | mordred: fair enough, is it that way now? | 21:56 |
mordred | no | 21:57 |
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fungi | mmedvede: well, if you can't diagnose it from that, i still have other possible suggestions (depending on what you end up seeing) | 21:57 |
mordred | I mean, it almost is | 21:57 |
mordred | except when it's not | 21:57 |
mtreinish | heh, well that's always how it seems to be | 21:58 |
mmedvede | fungi, your suggestion about the log permissions was correct. I just missed one log file | 21:58 |
fungi | mmedvede: also, i highly recommend reading the friendly documentation at http://ci.openstack.org/nodepool.html | 21:59 |
fungi | mmedvede: er, i meant http://ci.openstack.org/nodepool/ | 21:59 |
fungi | (though that other link is potentially useful for examples of how we use it) | 21:59 |
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mmedvede | fungi, I have skimmed through the docs earlier, and there is actually no pointers to the nodepoold options. | 22:02 |
mmedvede | There is a good reference for nodepool cli, not the daemon | 22:03 |
fungi | mmedvede: oh, indeed, skimming it now i see that | 22:03 |
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fungi | mmedvede: care to file a very quick bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/nodepool requesting that? i might make a good low-hanging-fruit task for someone | 22:04 |
fungi | er, it might | 22:04 |
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mmedvede | fungi, sure, can do. Thanks again for the help, you saved me some friday night time :) | 22:05 |
fungi | any time, and have a great weekend! | 22:05 |
mmedvede | tks, you too | 22:05 |
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ianw | clarkb / mordred : yeah, hindsight is 20/20 but my testing till now has been done on RH platforms | 22:08 |
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pleia2 | clarkb: can you have a look at the Pootle server? It's gone sideways :\ | 22:11 |
pleia2 | or anyone with access to translate-dev | 22:11 |
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clarkb | I am currently transitingto meet hogepodge | 22:13 |
fungi | pleia2: i'll take a peek | 22:13 |
clarkb | fungi it should be running out of screen :/ | 22:13 |
pleia2 | clarkb: have fun, tell him I put a debian pin on my red hat :D | 22:13 |
hogepodge | pleia2 \o/ | 22:13 |
pleia2 | hey hogepodge! | 22:13 |
fungi | pleia2: server's up 12 days since last restart... when did you last see it work? | 22:13 |
hogepodge | I'll ask here in infra | 22:13 |
pleia2 | fungi: I have been working on the zanata server lately, so I don't remember | 22:14 |
clarkb | oh it would have died in the restarts | 22:14 |
fungi | clarkb: definitely no screen session | 22:14 |
hogepodge | If anyone has a base trove guest image for me, I'd love to have a link to it. | 22:14 |
fungi | clarkb: quick hints on restarting it then? | 22:14 |
clarkb | fungi ya so it will need a new screen as pootle user then run the service | 22:14 |
hogepodge | One that I can pry open, change for my server, then start demoing against. | 22:14 |
fungi | clarkb: bash history in a pootle user account maybe? | 22:14 |
clarkb | the command should be in bash history | 22:14 |
clarkb | ya | 22:14 |
fungi | k | 22:14 |
hogepodge | clarkb there's a contingent from eugene going to baileys | 22:15 |
clarkb | is this a good thing ;) | 22:16 |
hogepodge | yup, I'm going to start heading that way | 22:16 |
clarkb | awesome. my eta is about 30 minutes | 22:16 |
fungi | pleia2: any better? | 22:17 |
fungi | clarkb: there is no pootle user, only root | 22:17 |
clarkb | hrm | 22:18 |
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clarkb | oh we have two servers because I didnt want to kill jeblairs | 22:18 |
pleia2 | that's the old one | 22:18 |
clarkb | and the second is not in dns | 22:18 |
fungi | ahh | 22:18 |
clarkb | :/ I should probably kill old one and fix dns | 22:18 |
fungi | i should pull the not-dns-one out of nova list? | 22:19 |
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fungi | and start it on there? | 22:19 |
clarkb | ya | 22:19 |
mordred | devananda: https://review.openstack.org/127664 | 22:19 |
pleia2 | oh, right 23.253.231.198 is the new one | 22:20 |
pleia2 | forgot that we never switched dns over | 22:20 |
fungi | pleia2: thanks, confirmed | 22:20 |
pleia2 | that one is down too :) | 22:20 |
fungi | pleia2: figures... fixing tho | 22:20 |
pleia2 | heh, my email | 22:20 |
pleia2 | "http://23.253.231.198/ (we'll be updating the DNS over from the old | 22:20 |
pleia2 | translate-dev.openstack.org server momentarily, but I wanted to make | 22:20 |
pleia2 | sure you got to the right server)" | 22:20 |
pleia2 | "momentarily" | 22:20 |
pleia2 | "or, you know, never" :) | 22:21 |
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clarkb | that is my fault | 22:21 |
pleia2 | nah, I should have followed up | 22:21 |
fungi | wow, there is no ~pootle/.bash_history either | 22:21 |
fungi | oic, pootle account has no shell | 22:22 |
pleia2 | fungi: this should help: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pootle-250-upgrade | 22:22 |
clarkb | oh yes try root again probably has sudo -u commands | 22:22 |
clarkb | it does run as pootle but like a system user | 22:22 |
pleia2 | should just need: sudo -H -u pootle /home/pootle/venv/bin/pootle start | 22:23 |
pleia2 | I hope :) | 22:23 |
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pleia2 | (in screen) | 22:24 |
fungi | it wants a subcommand | 22:25 |
fungi | Usage: pootle subcommand [options] [args] | 22:25 |
pleia2 | that would be "start" | 22:25 |
fungi | aha, yup. just found it in the etherpad | 22:25 |
fungi | i see, your command wrapped and i missed the word start on the next line | 22:26 |
fungi | derp | 22:26 |
fungi | running nopw | 22:26 |
fungi | er, now | 22:26 |
pleia2 | \o/ | 22:27 |
pleia2 | thanks fungi | 22:27 |
fungi | np | 22:27 |
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mordred | fungi, clarkb: did you see tchaypo's email to the list about "prep-source-repos" | 22:44 |
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clarkb | no | 22:47 |
mtreinish | is there a delay for bandersnatch to pick up new projects from pypi? | 22:49 |
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fungi | mtreinish: ~5 minutes normally | 22:50 |
fungi | mtreinish: what are you seeing? | 22:50 |
mtreinish | the tempest python unit tests are failing trying to pip install tempest-lib | 22:50 |
mtreinish | but I pushed the release yesterday | 22:50 |
mtreinish | https://jenkins07.openstack.org/job/gate-tempest-python27/2469/console | 22:51 |
mtreinish | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/tempest-lib/0.0.1 | 22:51 |
fungi | 2014-10-09 21:15:02,342 INFO: Downloading: https://pypi.python.org/packages/source/t/tempest-lib/tempest-lib-0.0.1.tar.gz | 22:51 |
fungi | so at least on pypi.dfw.openstack.org it's fine | 22:52 |
mtreinish | 2014-10-10 22:37:34.989 | Could not find any downloads that satisfy the requirement tempest-lib (from tempest==2.dev1241.ge8fb428) | 22:52 |
mtreinish | http://pypi.region-b.geo-1.openstack.org/simple/tempest-lib/ | 22:52 |
fungi | checking that one | 22:52 |
fungi | looks like it hasn't run bandersnatch on that mirror since 2014-10-09 14:35 utc | 22:53 |
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fungi | the logs just end there | 22:53 |
mtreinish | ok, that would explain it | 22:53 |
clarkb | hogepodge I am here. dont see you | 22:54 |
fungi | aha, stray lockfile | 22:54 |
hogepodge | clarkb I haven't left my apt yet | 22:54 |
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clarkb | boo :P | 22:54 |
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hogepodge | I'm on my way. Been struggling with this stupid trove image problem, plus no help from anyone on the openstack-trove room | 22:54 |
hogepodge | sorry I'm late | 22:55 |
clarkb | np | 22:55 |
jeblair | clarkb, fungi, mordred: https://review.openstack.org/127673 | 22:55 |
fungi | mtreinish: it's updating on that mirror now. i think maybe i wrapped timeout around lockfile when i should have wrapped lockfile around timeout | 22:55 |
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jeblair | that's a spec for nodepool image build workers | 22:55 |
fungi | er, no it's flock calling timeout | 22:55 |
mtreinish | fungi: heh ok, thanks | 22:55 |
fungi | not sure how it left a stale lockfile there in that case | 22:55 |
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clarkb | jeblair reading now | 22:56 |
clarkb | jeblair I prefer having a tool like dib do the image conversion | 22:59 |
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clarkb | I dont think nodepool builders should need to grok qemu-img or other tools | 22:59 |
jeblair | clarkb: how does that work? | 22:59 |
jeblair | clarkb: how do we convert image formats now? | 23:00 |
mordred | jeblair: you can give dib a list of formats to produce | 23:00 |
clarkb | jeblair no current conversions so I wrote https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125475/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126747/ | 23:01 |
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mtreinish | fungi: hmm, I'm seeing the tempest jobs hit the same mirror too, but devstack should be installing it from source already... | 23:01 |
mtreinish | yet another thing to dig into | 23:01 |
clarkb | apparently I broke ramdisk builds which do a save_image in the elements which should be verboten imo | 23:01 |
clarkb | but we'll see "ramdisks are special" | 23:02 |
mordred | clarkb: if there is an _option_ for having the two be separate operations | 23:02 |
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jeblair | what are our actual needs? | 23:02 |
clarkb | mordred which two? | 23:02 |
mordred | clarkb: then a solution that provides image building could use two different tools for those two tasks | 23:02 |
jeblair | eg, hp needs X, rax needs Y...? | 23:02 |
mordred | jeblair: hp needs qcow, rax needs xen server thing | 23:02 |
clarkb | ya rax is vpc/vhd | 23:03 |
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jeblair | so i think we have 2 reasonable solutions: | 23:03 |
jeblair | 1) use qemu-img convert in all builders as necessary | 23:04 |
jeblair | 2) have the builder supply its own image conversion method (in a subclass-plugable way) so the dib builder will use dib to do the conversion | 23:04 |
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jeblair | clarkb: it doesn't look like your patch is for a standalone tool though, yeah? | 23:05 |
jeblair | clarkb: it looks like it just says "when you create this, output multiple formats"? | 23:05 |
clarkb | no its for the current dib tooling | 23:05 |
fungi | 3) glance should eventually grow the ability to convert between image formats for users | 23:05 |
jeblair | fungi: 3++ | 23:05 |
clarkb | jeblair yes | 23:05 |
clarkb | I was trying to get this done last week... | 23:05 |
jeblair | clarkb: understood :) | 23:06 |
jeblair | clarkb: ideally, i'd like to keep it separate, because the format for upload is tied to the provider, not to the image being built | 23:06 |
fungi | in between fits of zomg openstack is not portable/interoperable | 23:06 |
jeblair | clarkb: this way you can add an image to a provider (which may require a new format) and not have to rebuild | 23:06 |
clarkb | my concern with that is nodepool is trying to stop knowing about image internals | 23:07 |
jeblair | clarkb: that makes me lean toward option #1 | 23:07 |
jeblair | clarkb: it's more of an 'external' :) | 23:07 |
clarkb | but that is a good point about mixing up providers without full rebuilds | 23:08 |
jeblair | clarkb: i mean, it already knows it has a file, it knows it needs to upload it somewhere, and it knows what format the somewhere needs the file in | 23:08 |
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clarkb | fungi ya that was my first thought on the matter | 23:09 |
jeblair | mine too, i just feel like if i voice it at this point i'm just repeating myself :( | 23:09 |
clarkb | if glance exists for any reason its so I dont have to think about this stuff right? | 23:09 |
clarkb | but we wont get those features soon so forward | 23:10 |
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clarkb | jeblair should I abandon my changes then? | 23:10 |
clarkb | neither currently work so I am meh about then | 23:10 |
clarkb | *them | 23:10 |
fungi | yep | 23:10 |
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jeblair | clarkb: i hesitate to say abandon because i'm still catching up to what's going on, and i don't know how long it will take to implement the spec i wrote. however, if we end up on the trajectory the spec predicts, i think we won't end up using them in the long run. | 23:14 |
jeblair | i have to run now | 23:14 |
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mordred | clarkb: also, one could argue that the image-conversion routines in dib shoudl also be standalone | 23:16 |
mordred | clarkb: so taht you could run dib with a list and have it do everyting | 23:16 |
mordred | clarkb: but also later decide you just wanted to run dib-image-convert --to qemu my.tarball.file.tgz | 23:17 |
mordred | which would be a handy thing to encapsulate for the purposes of manual hacking | 23:17 |
mordred | and the fun part is - since dib is in shell - making the other two additional shell programs would not make disk-image-create any more complex :) | 23:18 |
mordred | clarkb: maybe I'll make a patch on top of your patch which does that | 23:18 |
clarkb | ya | 23:21 |
clarkb | I just have zero interest debugging thei ramdisk element :) | 23:21 |
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clarkb | will talk to greghaynes about it | 23:24 |
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clarkb | mordred: ok greghaynes has educated me a bit I think I know how to debug this now | 23:48 |
mordred | clarkb: woot | 23:48 |
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* jeblair wonders if greghaynes transferred the knowledge to clarkb via words or beer | 23:55 | |
clarkb | jeblair: both :) | 23:55 |
greghaynes | jeblair: Howd you guess!? | 23:55 |
clarkb | beer and cider | 23:55 |
jeblair | greghaynes: it seemed particularly efficient :) | 23:55 |
mordred | yup | 23:56 |
mordred | still don't like vagrant | 23:56 |
mordred | I really wish it worked | 23:56 |
* mordred just tried to use sdague's devstack-vagrant | 23:57 | |
mordred | got this | 23:57 |
mordred | http://paste.openstack.org/show/120251/ | 23:58 |
mordred | which is annoying because there IS no vm setting in any of the config files I'm aware of | 23:58 |
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clarkb | mordred: jeblair: latest patchset of my dib patch has a bit more -x to track what is happening wiht traps | 23:59 |
clarkb | but greghaynes thinks there is a bug around exit codes and says he is going to fix it | 23:59 |
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