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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Add support for multiple port allocations https://review.openstack.org/131335 | 00:08 |
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| flashgordon | did anyone else get a notice about rackspace rebooting all the things? | 00:44 |
| flashgordon | ahh https://status.rackspace.com/ | 00:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jay Faulkner proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Make agent_ssh check job voting for Ironic & IPA https://review.openstack.org/134436 | 00:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Jay Faulkner proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Make agent_ssh check job voting for Ironic & IPA https://review.openstack.org/134436 | 00:53 |
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| JayF | I'd love to know if I'm doing it right there ^ even though I have it workflow -1 right now | 00:55 |
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| fungi | flashgordon: yep | 01:09 |
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| fungi | JayF: i don't know why the gate-project-config-layout job is passing for that change... it looks like the check-tempest-dsvm-ironic-agent_ssh and check-tempest-dsvm-ironic-agent_ssh-src jobs have no template defining them | 01:13 |
| fungi | JayF: oh, nevermind. they're in devstack-gate.yaml | 01:14 |
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| fungi | JayF: yeah, that looks fine to me. +2 | 01:15 |
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| fungi | JayF: oh, except you'll want them in gate pipelines too. i'll mark inline | 01:16 |
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| flashgordon | fungi: if I post a new revision of a patch and run check experimental | 02:02 |
| flashgordon | while a old version is running | 02:03 |
| flashgordon | it doesn | 02:03 |
| flashgordon | doesn't appear to cancel the old job and run against the new revision instead the new request appears to go no where | 02:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joe Gordon proposed openstack-infra/devstack-gate: DO NOT MERGE: testing aiopcpu with tempest full https://review.openstack.org/134639 | 02:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jakub Libosvar proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Promote check-grenade-dsvm-neutron to voting job https://review.openstack.org/134532 | 10:51 |
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| harlowja_at_home | anyone started to see gate failures with 'subunit.run discover: error: no such option: --list'; if not I opened https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-ci/+bug/1392986 since it seems to be causing all/most gate jobs to not pass | 11:43 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1392986 in openstack-ci "Subunit gate failures" [Undecided,New] | 11:43 |
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| pensu | Hi all, for my patch submission I am getting this error: subunit.run discover: error: no such option: --list. Any idea what this means? | 13:15 |
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| nibalizer | in gertty, after i've started an inline comment, how do i get out of it? ESC takes me out off diff mode and to the base of the review | 13:26 |
| nibalizer | oh i guess i can click | 13:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: add query for testtools bug https://review.openstack.org/134706 | 14:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: add query for testtools bug https://review.openstack.org/134706 | 14:08 |
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| fungi | nibalizer: arrow keys if your terminal has them | 15:01 |
| fungi | pensu: harlowja_away just mentioned the same error about 1.5 hours before you did. what job are you seeing it on? | 15:03 |
| fungi | pensu: looks like he opened bug 1392986 for it | 15:03 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1392986 in openstack-ci "Subunit gate failures" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1392986 | 15:03 |
| fungi | lifeless: no idea whether you're still around on this pleasant saturday night, but that bug looks right up your alley | 15:06 |
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| fungi | 2014-11-15 09:55:02,346 INFO: Downloading: https://pypi.python.org/packages/2.6/t/testtools/testtools-1.2.0-py2-none-any.whl | 15:15 |
| fungi | that was ~10 minutes before the first hit in logstash | 15:15 |
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| fungi | lifeless: i think maybe the workaround for http://bugs.python.org/issue22860 in dfe62af to add --list and --load-list in for unittest2's discover isn't working as advertised? | 15:21 |
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| mmedvede | if that helps, on hour CI all the tests that used to be skipped, are now failing, starting around 9:00 UTC +- 30 minutes | 15:23 |
| fungi | mmedvede: yep, that sounds consistent | 15:23 |
| fungi | in the meantime, we might want to rush in a pin to testtools!=1.2.0 | 15:24 |
| * fungi whips that up | 15:24 | |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack/requirements: Skip testtools 1.2.0 https://review.openstack.org/134712 | 15:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack-infra/devstack-gate: EXPERIMENT: Break Nova V2 XML Support https://review.openstack.org/134714 | 15:34 |
| fungi | sdague: yay! parallel effort | 15:37 |
| fungi | that's what i get for looking at irc instead of e-mail when i wake up, i guess | 15:37 |
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| sdague | fungi: heh, well that's why I sent an email, I figured that was the best way to make sure it was seen | 15:43 |
| sdague | also, I think that every one of these library breaks we should send to the list from here on out as policy, as most people don't realize how often we're running into this | 15:44 |
| fungi | sdague: yep. should i mark 1393006 as the duplicate since my upstream bug report refers to the earlier infra bug harlowja_away opened? | 15:45 |
| sdague | fungi: sure, though that's the one the ER sig is on | 15:45 |
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| fungi | ah, and looks like we've got two sets of reqs pin patches proposed for master and stable branches too | 15:46 |
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| sdague | fungi: which is the other set? | 15:46 |
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| fungi | sdague: the ones linked from bug 1392986 | 15:46 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1392986 in openstack-ci "Subunit gate failures" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1392986 | 15:46 |
| sdague | I did search for equiv patches before I pushed mine | 15:46 |
| fungi | sdague: yeah, i think yours are older | 15:47 |
| sdague | yeh | 15:47 |
| sdague | I also pre-approved them so that anyone could recheck them to get them landed | 15:47 |
| sdague | not knowing if any reviewers were going to be around this weekend | 15:47 |
| fungi | since i didn't see any activity at all in the bug report, i (wrongly) assumed nobody else was working on it yet. didn't notice you opened a second bug report after that | 15:47 |
| sdague | yeh, sorry, I looked for an ER signature, and not seeing one, I opened a bug and went from there | 15:48 |
| fungi | makes sense. too many entry points | 15:48 |
| sdague | because finding lp dup bugs is so terrible for me, I just stopped trying | 15:48 |
| fungi | heh | 15:48 |
| fungi | i hear that | 15:48 |
| sdague | I figured if there was an ER sig, that meant someone was on it | 15:49 |
| fungi | i usually just sort all infra bugs by bug number and look at the newest reports in sudden break situations like this | 15:49 |
| fungi | as they'll generally be the ones on top | 15:49 |
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| sdague | anyway, actually actually about to drop off now. There was just a quiet moment for nap time as we start gearing up the whole machine for a family outing this afternoon. | 15:50 |
| fungi | since we've got e-r referencing the newer bug, i'll mark the older one as a dupe and abandon my extra patches | 15:50 |
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| sdague | cool | 15:52 |
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| banix | are there any known issues at the “check” pipeline currently with a lot of tests failing for my patch which were passing earlier? | 17:25 |
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| clarkb | yes testtools made a release thst has broken stuff apparently | 17:42 |
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| banix | clarkb: ok; so should hold off rechecks for now? | 17:44 |
| clarkb | I guess? I took the week off so dont know much beyond what was sent to the mail list | 17:45 |
| banix | clarkb: ok thanks | 17:45 |
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| pensu | fungi: hi, it was failing without running any test, I am trying to send a patch to ironic, I see you are already working on it. :) | 18:10 |
| * nibalizer would appreciate reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134371/ | 18:12 | |
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| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed openstack-infra/git-review: Test git-review CI (not to merge) https://review.openstack.org/130949 | 18:23 |
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| lifeless | fungi: yup, will look in a minute | 18:39 |
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| fungi | lifeless: awesome. i've filed https://github.com/testing-cabal/testtools/issues/121 for you | 18:45 |
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| lifeless | fungi: I can't reproduce it so far | 18:47 |
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| fungi | lifeless: if it helps, a sample pip freeze looks like http://logs.openstack.org/69/134369/1/gate/gate-tempest-dsvm-postgres-full/6b2ef17/logs/pip-freeze.txt.gz | 18:49 |
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| fungi | lifeless: though i suppose it's possible the tempest virtualenv looks slightly different (it uses system site packages) | 18:50 |
| lifeless | unpin unittest2 | 18:50 |
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| fungi | oho. i didn't even see we had that set older | 18:51 |
| fungi | d'oh! | 18:51 |
| fungi | i'll push up a test tempest change to see if that works | 18:51 |
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| lifeless | upstream deps are too loose | 18:52 |
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| lifeless | will fix | 18:52 |
| Daviey | Anyone else helping look at the testtools 1.2.0 right now? | 18:52 |
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| fungi | yeah, probably needs to bump its minimum | 18:52 |
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| Daviey | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134710/ is confusing me, check-requirements-int' is oddly failing. | 18:53 |
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| Daviey | Actually, turns out i can't read. | 18:54 |
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| lifeless | Daviey: thats what fungi and I just discussed | 18:54 |
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| fungi | Daviey: 'oslo.middleware' is not in global-requirements.txt | 19:00 |
| fungi | Daviey: that? | 19:00 |
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| fungi | Daviey: it does appear that oslo.middleware is not in stable/juno of global-requirements.txt | 19:12 |
| fungi | Daviey: looks like glance-store is trying to declare it | 19:12 |
| fungi | Daviey: i think this means that glance-store is not safe for stable/juno | 19:12 |
| fungi | Daviey: oh, nevermind, it's oslo.messaging which is pulling it in | 19:12 |
| fungi | dhellmann: ^ | 19:12 |
| fungi | so basically oslo.middleware is in stable/juno projects.txt and declares a requirement for oslo.middleware which is not in stable/juno global-requirements.txt | 19:12 |
| fungi | Daviey: dhellmann: not sure whether that means we need to add oslo.middleware to juno global reqs (is that a violation of our stable branch policies?) or give oslo.messaging a stable/juno branch which doesn't need oslo.middleware | 19:12 |
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| fungi | lifeless: interestingly, we weren't pinning unittest2 at all in global-reqs so something else was forcing it to an older release | 19:12 |
| fungi | lifeless: aha! we're installing ubuntu's python-unittest2 package | 19:12 |
| fungi | so i think this may need to be fixed in devstack | 19:12 |
| Daviey | fungi: here | 19:13 |
| Daviey | fungi: you went through the identical thought process as me | 19:14 |
| fungi | Daviey: yep, freenode was getting in the way | 19:14 |
| Daviey | fungi: I really don't think we can add unittest2 as a requirement, but i added a cherrypick incase. | 19:15 |
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| Daviey | fungi: I think we need a stable/juno oslo.messaging | 19:15 |
| Daviey | dhellmann: around? | 19:15 |
| fungi | Daviey: you mean can't add oslo.middleware as a stable req presumably (working multiple bugs at one time here) | 19:16 |
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| Daviey | fungi: Yeah, introducing a new requirement feels pretty wrong on stable/* | 19:17 |
| fungi | Daviey: totally agree | 19:17 |
| Daviey | fungi: I suspect we either need to try and get https://github.com/openstack/oslo.messaging/commit/10eb1202b37f896e1b7844d400e0defd926a7ab1 backed out from Master, or cut a stable/juno release of that | 19:17 |
| Daviey | It was only merged 2 days ago... | 19:18 |
| fungi | Daviey: yep, whichever dhellmann prefers (i suspect he'll want to to with the latter) | 19:19 |
| Daviey | Hmm.. What about introducing a pin for oslo.messaging in juno? | 19:19 |
| fungi | Daviey: oh, good point... that is what we agreed to in the oslo versioning summit session after all | 19:19 |
| fungi | we just haven't gotten around to doing it yet | 19:19 |
| Daviey | :) | 19:19 |
| Daviey | I'll do that now. | 19:19 |
| fungi | that way oslo.messaging doesn't need a stable/juno branch until there's something to backport | 19:19 |
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| Daviey | fungi / lifeless : Care to be reviewing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134727/ ? | 19:33 |
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| fungi | Daviey: did we really introduce a new requirement in oslo.messaging 1.4.1? that should totally have been 1.5.0 instead | 19:34 |
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| fungi | Daviey: in light of that, i think we need a !=1.4.1 followed by a 1.4.2 tag on top of the 1.4.0 commit (or a revert, tag, and unrevert), then retag tip of master as 1.5.0 | 19:36 |
| Daviey | fungi: Oh, i pinned to the latest version on pypi | 19:36 |
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| Daviey | fungi: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/oslo.messaging | 19:36 |
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| fungi | Daviey: it's possible that job is installing oslo.messaging from source rather than pypi | 19:39 |
| fungi | i've been pulled away for a bit and can't dig deeper | 19:39 |
| Daviey | fungi: I assumed if it was unbound openstack project it did just that? | 19:39 |
| fungi | Daviey: no, depends on how the job is written | 19:40 |
| lifeless | Daviey: what about adding oslo.middleware for juno ? | 19:40 |
| Daviey | lifeless: Introduce a new package to distros / deployers? | 19:40 |
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| lifeless | Daviey: sure, we permit that in the clients | 19:41 |
| lifeless | Daviey: and the servers depend on clients | 19:41 |
| fungi | lifeless: Daviey: sdague: also pushed up https://review.openstack.org/134728 and two corresponding stable backports to see if we can solve the testtools/unittest2 dilemma | 19:41 |
| Daviey | lifeless: This is server code, no? | 19:41 |
| lifeless | Daviey: its library code | 19:41 |
| Daviey | lifeless: I mean, this isn't just touching clients.. which don't have stable releases. This is touching core stable/* , which unless things have changed we do not permit new deps | 19:42 |
| lifeless | anyhow remembering paris | 19:42 |
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| lifeless | we were going to pin everything | 19:42 |
| Daviey | lifeless: we'll always have Paris... UTF_heart | 19:42 |
| lifeless | except things clarkb objected to | 19:42 |
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| fungi | lifeless: yep, though i'm starting to think the job in question is doing requirements integration testing for branch tip of everything, including libs, so pinning them won't help without rewriting that job | 19:43 |
| lifeless | fungi: sure | 19:44 |
| Daviey | fungi: Is it always using Master tip or only if not a bound requirement? | 19:44 |
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| fungi | Daviey: i think it's using mater tip of any listed project which doesn't have the corresponding stable branch | 19:45 |
| fungi | otherwise stable branch tip for the stable branch in question | 19:46 |
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| Daviey | bugger. | 19:47 |
| fungi | but in the new world of pip-install-everything-except-your-project-being-tested we may need to reevaluate what we want that job to actually do | 19:47 |
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| fungi | reset to the most recent tag if no matching branch but there are tags, and reset to master tip if no stable branch and no tags? | 19:47 |
| fungi | install everything from pypi? | 19:48 |
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| fungi | (except some projects also aren't on pypi) | 19:48 |
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| fungi | probably worth revisiting the goal of the job itself, for that matter | 19:49 |
| Daviey | Well, if it is a upper bound version - it should use pypi IMO.. If it isn't, then using Master (unless it is a project that contains stable/* and it is for a stable project, then use that branch latest) | 19:49 |
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| mordred | oh wow. maybe I should not have looked at IRC | 19:51 |
| mordred | I'm pretty sure I don't actually want to read through all of that | 19:51 |
| Daviey | mordred: Have fun. | 19:51 |
| fungi | mordred: situation weekend, all f'ed up | 19:51 |
| mordred | fungi: AWESOME | 19:52 |
| mordred | btw - we should REALLY stop installing ANYTHING python from apt/yum in devstack | 19:52 |
| fungi | mordred: yep | 19:52 |
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| mordred | I know that doesn't solve the oslo.middleware thing - responding to the python-unittest2 thing | 19:52 |
| Daviey | If oslo.* is being treated as release independant - like client tools.. I am surprised that there isn't a test for oslo stuff that blocked this landing in Master, which caused this. | 19:53 |
| mordred | anybody made a patch for that yet? | 19:53 |
| lifeless | mordred: fungi has | 19:53 |
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| mordred | Daviey: actually, I think we ran out of time talking about the release independent vs. release dependent problem in that session, no? | 19:53 |
| fungi | mordred: lifeless: well, i made a patch for not installing python-unittest2 via apt/rpm, but not the bigger "python things should all come from pypi" patch | 19:53 |
| mordred | I mean, there is a serious logic problem taht we have no declared soltuion for right now | 19:53 |
| Daviey | mordred: indeed | 19:53 |
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| Daviey | wow, freenode is in a mess today | 20:08 |
| fungi | yep, typical saturday bot armada wars | 20:08 |
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| fungi | the zombie hordes are vying for cnc channel takeovers as usual | 20:08 |
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| fungi | and the rest of us are simply caught in the crossfire | 20:09 |
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| mordred | yup. installing half from distro packages and half from pip is basically considered a good idea by zero people | 20:11 |
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| fungi | lifeless: also, rant++. i completely agree with everything you said there | 20:12 |
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| fungi | i should totally have tried reproducing that outside devstack | 20:12 |
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| fungi | or more specifically, outside devstack+tempest | 20:13 |
| lifeless | I've jut cut 1.2.1 which may fix by provoking an upgrade even with site packages | 20:13 |
| fungi | lifeless: awesome--thanks again! | 20:13 |
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| Daviey | lifeless: I agree with your rant.. But i don't think anyone was attacking you. It is totally a natural reaction to go 'oh damn, a dep is breaking us - lets pin, until we find a better fix' | 20:14 |
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| lifeless | Daviey: the last paragraph specifically talked about the action of releasing when I did and then disappearing off | 20:14 |
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| lifeless | Daviey: without that last paragraph my rant would have been half-sized. | 20:15 |
| lifeless | Daviey: (and would have just noted that the analysis was incomplete) | 20:15 |
| mordred | fungi: $ nosetests tempest/scenario/test_network_basic_ops.py | 20:15 |
| mordred | fungi: that's in README.md ... that isn't still current, right? | 20:15 |
| Daviey | lifeless: Fair enough :) | 20:15 |
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| fungi | mordred: i think that's cruft, pretty sure we're a year into not using node for tempest at this point | 20:15 |
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| fungi | s/node/nose/ | 20:16 |
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| fungi | though we should _totally_ rewrite tempest in javascript and run it in node | 20:16 |
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| lifeless | folk are still landing patches to make things work with nose | 20:16 |
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| lifeless | or py.test, or both. I forget. | 20:16 |
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| mordred | Daviey, fungi: https://review.openstack.org/134732 and https://review.openstack.org/134733 | 20:17 |
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| fungi | +6, -291 | 20:18 |
| fungi | that's a _good_ patch | 20:18 |
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| lifeless | some of those may be C things | 20:18 |
| lifeless | like qpid-proton | 20:18 |
| lifeless | I guess we'll see what blows up :) | 20:19 |
| fungi | was gonna say, it's a good thing these changes are self-testing ;) | 20:19 |
| Daviey | mordred: Did you do that as a oneliner? | 20:19 |
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| fungi | okay, something's still "not quite right" with the devstack patch. tempest is failing to correctly filter tests with testtools==1.2.0 and unittest2==0.8.0 http://logs.openstack.org/28/134728/1/check/check-tempest-dsvm-postgres-full/2e83894/console.html | 20:24 |
| Daviey | fungi: Did you also see RH's CI is failing? | 20:25 |
| lifeless | fungi: are you talking about the 144 failures? | 20:26 |
| lifeless | fungi: they look like setupClass skips not being honoured now. | 20:26 |
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| fungi | lifeless: yeah, looks like those are tests which tempest shouldn't have run because they assume e.g. ironic or neutron or other things devstack wasn't configured to set up | 20:26 |
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| fungi | lifeless: oh maybe | 20:26 |
| lifeless | poking at it now | 20:27 |
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| lifeless | setUpClass, which testtools has never supported | 20:27 |
| lifeless | ok I think I need a 0.8.1 unittest2 for this | 20:29 |
| lifeless | hmm no | 20:29 |
| mordred | lifeless: netsplit casused e to miss something clearly cool | 20:29 |
| lifeless | shouldn't | 20:29 |
| mordred | where did setupclass stuff come from? | 20:29 |
| lifeless | cPython's TestSuite object | 20:30 |
| mordred | no - I mean, where did it come from in the conversation | 20:30 |
| fungi | mordred: you probably want http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-infra/%23openstack-infra.2014-11-15.log | 20:30 |
| fungi | mordred: preliminary test results from my devstack change | 20:30 |
| mordred | Daviey: I did is as a mostly one-liner with a few manual cleanups after looking at the diff | 20:31 |
| Daviey | mordred: Nice | 20:32 |
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| lifeless | (Pdb) case.SkipTest | 20:33 |
| lifeless | <class 'unittest2.case.SkipTest'> | 20:33 |
| lifeless | (Pdb) exception | 20:33 |
| lifeless | SkipTest('foo',) | 20:33 |
| lifeless | (Pdb) exception.__class__ | 20:33 |
| lifeless | <class 'unittest.case.SkipTest'> | 20:34 |
| * harlowja_at_home reading over conversation, anyone know why oslo.messaging brings in oslo.middleware, seems a little odd, guess i should ask dhellmann whats up with that when this situation is resolved | 20:35 | |
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| fungi | harlowja_at_home: yeah, it's declaring it in its requirements.txt since https://review.openstack.org/121899 | 20:36 |
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| fungi | harlowja_at_home: it was previously using the version copied from oslo-incubator | 20:37 |
| fungi | harlowja_at_home: oslo/messaging/notify/middleware.py is apparently using it | 20:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | gotcha, still sorta feels odd to have a messaging library have wsgi middleware in it, but i guess thats the situation we are in :-/ | 20:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | instead of the reverse (where oslo.middleware has this code) | 20:38 |
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| harlowja_at_home | anyways, something to fix later i guess | 20:39 |
| Daviey | Well, it seems entirely appropriate change for Master.. but not something we can have on stable/* | 20:39 |
| fungi | harlowja_at_home: might make sense to move the notification middleware into oslo.middleware i s'pose | 20:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | fungi, agreed | 20:39 |
| mordred | yah. but that's where our some-libraries-do-not-have-stable-branches policy is kicking us in the face | 20:39 |
| Daviey | Which is why I think we need to focus on installing oslo.middlware via pip if there is an upperbound version | 20:39 |
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| Daviey | Does that seem wrong to you? | 20:40 |
| lifeless | fungi: writing a test forthe fix now | 20:40 |
| fungi | lifeless: oh, excellent. thanks again! | 20:40 |
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| mordred | I think, even though it's more complex, we may want to consider (even though I've said no in the past) having stable versions of _everything_ ... BUT - also making sure that master of python-*client can still consume api services of old stable releases | 20:40 |
| mordred | since python-*client has double-duty | 20:40 |
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| mordred | the reason to not have stables is to avoid a situation where an end user has to ahve two different versions of python-novaclient to talk to two different clouds | 20:41 |
| fungi | mordred: long-term, we should fix *that* problem instead (the double-duty) | 20:41 |
| mordred | fungi: the more I think about the double-duty problem, the more I think it's impossible to fix | 20:41 |
| Daviey | It's a catch 22 | 20:41 |
| mordred | because if we make python-openstacksdk the end-user SDK, then why wouldn't the server projects also switch to use it | 20:41 |
| mordred | they all consume public APIs | 20:41 |
| fungi | mordred: openstack-sdk to the rescue? one set of libraries for stable inter-service communication, another for clients, end users and application developers? | 20:42 |
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| mordred | we need stable versions of the python-*client or the sdks for stable versions of the servers to use | 20:42 |
| fungi | ahh, yep | 20:42 |
| mordred | but we also need to make sure we don't accidentally break backwards compat | 20:42 |
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| fungi | mordred: so anyway, i guess the real answer is "stabilize our apis" | 20:42 |
| mordred | actually, they're pretty stable | 20:42 |
| Daviey | Ah, that is a graceful solution. That means that the client themselves are thin wrappers around the SDK, and you can presumably have versioned SDK's installed concurrently? | 20:42 |
| mordred | no - I think we don't need to be able to have concurrent SDKs installed | 20:43 |
| mordred | I think more we need to understand that there are two different install vectors we care about | 20:43 |
| mordred | people deploying, and people consuming | 20:43 |
| mordred | and _those_ don't need to match | 20:43 |
| Daviey | Doesn't that just move the problem up the stack? | 20:43 |
| fungi | sdks that know how to properly interact with multiple api versions and degrade gracefully | 20:43 |
| Daviey | Ah true | 20:43 |
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| mordred | right. but nothing about the current lib situation actually makes that better | 20:44 |
| mordred | so we're not _solving_ the end user api problem with our current approach | 20:44 |
| mordred | AND we're shooting ourselves in teh head | 20:44 |
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| Daviey | So.. back to the fire fight. How are we solving the immediate problem? | 20:45 |
| Daviey | I quite think that pinning is the correct fix for stable/* | 20:45 |
| fungi | so perhaps the underlying problem is that we want it to be possible to install the latest client libs on the same systems where we're also installing stable server branches | 20:45 |
| mordred | yes | 20:45 |
| mordred | fungi: I don't think we do | 20:45 |
| Daviey | But CI needs to install from pip not Master | 20:45 |
| fungi | mordred: by "want" i mean our tooling as designed makes that assumption now | 20:46 |
| mordred | fungi: I think that we currently have no other model than doing that | 20:46 |
| mordred | yah | 20:46 |
| fungi | not that it's a sane desire | 20:46 |
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| mordred | Daviey: I agree with what you have said | 20:47 |
| fungi | a way out would be to have stable branches of client libs, declare that those will be maintained to talk to servers at least as old as they are, and also make sure latest versions of the client libs can talk to older servers but don't necessarily have to be coinstallable on the same machines | 20:47 |
| Daviey | fungi: the issue is that we want people to install a client, and be able to talk to any cloud | 20:47 |
| Daviey | That doesn't help with that? | 20:47 |
| fungi | that covers the end user/app dev use cases as well as the stable release server inter-communication case where we need coinstallability | 20:48 |
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| fungi | Daviey: people who install a client will want to install a new enough client to talk to all the clouds they use. servers where we need the client installed as a dependency of a stable server mostly only need to talk to services of the same vintage | 20:48 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:50 |
| mordred | I agree 100% | 20:50 |
| fungi | and that solves the "new novaclient wants features in a more recent urllib2 than stable/icehouse nova can work with" or some such (contrived example) | 20:50 |
| fungi | e.g. the conflicting dependencies problem | 20:50 |
| mordred | I don't think it's reasonable to expect, if you are running precise and have installed python-novaclient from precise, that your novaclient will talk to all clouds in the wild - but I _do_ think it's reasonable that if you pip install latest novaclient that you should be able to talk to all clouds in existence | 20:51 |
| Daviey | fungi: Ah, good point | 20:51 |
| mordred | fungi: you wanna write this up for the list or you want me to? | 20:51 |
| fungi | mordred: and conversely, that if you install nova and novaclient from precise, that they will work together correctly and not depend on conflicting things (basically as guarantee of the distro) | 20:52 |
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| mordred | yes | 20:52 |
| Daviey | Before writing it up.. Shall we fix gate? :) | 20:52 |
| mordred | AND - if you install stable/icehouse of both, the same thing | 20:52 |
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| fungi | mordred: i can write this up as a "we need to complete the discussion we started in the oslo versioning session at the summit" trhead | 20:52 |
| mordred | Daviey: bah. :) | 20:52 |
| fungi | thread | 20:52 |
| mordred | fungi: yup. although I think we do have a solution here in teh scrollback that's workable and understanable | 20:53 |
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| fungi | agreed | 20:53 |
| fungi | so to bring it back to the currently relevant topic, what does our ideal requirements integration job look like in that new landscape | 20:53 |
| fungi | >? | 20:53 |
| fungi | because "install everything from branch tip" certainly isn't the answer any longer | 20:54 |
| fungi | and we're already ditching that for devstack-based jobs | 20:54 |
| Daviey | fungi: It is, unless the scenario I outlined earlier i think | 20:54 |
| mordred | yah | 20:55 |
| Daviey | ~If we don't default to installing from Master/tip, the issues won't be found until a pip release is cut. So defering the problem | 20:55 |
| fungi | going back to basic principles, what do we want to be testing with that job which we don't get from the other integration tests run on global-reqs changes (e.g. devstack already runs with requirements level-set to the proposed change) | 20:55 |
| mordred | right. but - if we do that as step one (default to pip if not testing change on that repo) | 20:56 |
| mordred | and we add pins in the stable branches | 20:56 |
| fungi | for the job in question, i think "that repo" is always openstack/requirements right? | 20:56 |
| mordred | then the only thing we'll be missing is how to make changes to the "stable" python clients | 20:56 |
| Daviey | fungi: do you disagree with: | 20:57 |
| Daviey | 19:49 < Daviey> Well, if it is a upper bound version - it should use pypi IMO.. If it isn't, then using Master (unless it is a project that contains stable/* and it is for a stable project, then use that branch latest) | 20:57 |
| mordred | and then once we have stable/* branches for each client, we can go back to defaulting to $branch | 20:57 |
| mordred | yes | 20:57 |
| mordred | Daviey: you said it very succinctly | 20:57 |
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| fungi | i need to reread the integration script to see how that would get implemented in the loop | 20:58 |
| fungi | we're still running from http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-dev/pbr/tree/tools/integration.sh right? | 20:59 |
| Daviey | fungi: Do you have a handly link to the.. | 20:59 |
| Daviey | thanks | 20:59 |
| mordred | not just there- this logic has to be implemented in devstack-gate too | 20:59 |
| lifeless | fungi: https://github.com/testing-cabal/testtools/pull/123 | 21:00 |
| fungi | right, which that script is running within the context of | 21:00 |
| mordred | right. but we dont' _just_ need to do it for requirements integration | 21:00 |
| lifeless | stable branches for clients? | 21:00 |
| mordred | we need that logic to cover every devstack install | 21:00 |
| mordred | lifeless: yes | 21:00 |
| mordred | lifeless: BUT - not so that an end user would be expected to install a stable client to talk to an older cloud | 21:00 |
| lifeless | cause that was just about to concern me | 21:01 |
| fungi | mordred: so... the recent changes to devstack-gate based jobs have solved that, but the requirements integration job has its own install tests which don't | 21:02 |
| lifeless | mordred: so why then? | 21:02 |
| fungi | lifeless: solving the co-installability problem | 21:02 |
| lifeless | fungi: cocowhatwhatnownow? | 21:03 |
| Daviey | If only we had an upcoming Summit to discuss this. | 21:03 |
| mordred | lifeless: stable nova install needs to talk to keystone and uses python-keystoneclient | 21:03 |
| fungi | lifeless: latest glanceclient conflicting with requirements of older nova so can't install them on the same machine allowing nova to talk to glance seamlessly | 21:03 |
| mordred | lifeless: the current situation is that master python*client still work - but pull in new requirements | 21:03 |
| mordred | like oslo.config | 21:04 |
| mordred | which is then very weird for the stable server | 21:04 |
| lifeless | mordred: ok, and oslo.config also has a semver stable approach, right? | 21:04 |
| mordred | Daviey: I know, right? | 21:04 |
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| fungi | lifeless: yep, allowing juno to pin oslo.config <x.(y+1).0 when it released using x.y.z | 21:05 |
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| fungi | and so we can then increment z for security backports to the juno version of oslo.config while introducing non-stable-compliant changes in master | 21:06 |
| lifeless | fungi: so this makes me hate our stable branch guff all the more. | 21:07 |
| fungi | essentially the same stable branching pattern the servers are using | 21:07 |
| lifeless | The rest of the universe doesn't do stable branches just because someone happens to use a release. | 21:07 |
| lifeless | e.g. glibc | 21:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed openstack-infra/git-review: Test git-review CI (not to merge) https://review.openstack.org/130949 | 21:07 |
| lifeless | ok, glibc is a bad example because it does. Sigh. | 21:07 |
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| fungi | lifeless: the rest of the (distro) universe instead manages what amounts to their own stable branches rather than collaborating on common stable branches | 21:08 |
| Daviey | lifeless: Hmm.. Many projects maintain stable branches. | 21:08 |
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| mordred | yah. I keep trying to justify killing them and I keep failing when I go to grab ammunition | 21:08 |
| Daviey | The whole point of the stable/* was to stop, collaborate and listen. Ice | 21:09 |
| fungi | the goal of our stable branch maintenance has always been to give distro packagers a place to collaborate on their backports, and to provide a means for our upstream devs to helpfully pre-roll security fixes for the benefit of the distro packagers collaborating there | 21:09 |
| lifeless | so perhaps my feeling here is driven by conflating two things | 21:09 |
| lifeless | three | 21:10 |
| lifeless | one is 'we need to test upgrades' | 21:10 |
| lifeless | two is 'we want to know that our new api-compatible project releases work with our break-the-world(apiservers)-project-releases' | 21:10 |
| lifeless | three is 'we want stable maintenance work to be collaborative' | 21:11 |
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| fungi | the complication which has arisen, i think, is mostly due to our insistence on testing what's proposed to stable branches rather than just crossing our fingers and hoping proposed changes don't break things for downstream packagers | 21:11 |
| lifeless | we're using one mechanism to drive three very distinct things | 21:11 |
| fungi | (e.g. giving packagers a place to collaborate on testing proposed backports rather than just a place to review them) | 21:11 |
| lifeless | all of those things are valuable in different ways, to different audiences | 21:11 |
| Daviey | I proposed stable branches, as I was at that pointed managing the ubuntu server team and I could see our delta growing and it seemed silly to watch other distros doing the same thing. | 21:11 |
| Daviey | s/pointed/pont/ | 21:12 |
| lifeless | Daviey: I think collaborative stable maintenance is a good thing. | 21:12 |
| lifeless | Daviey: the infectious nature of the implementation frustrates me from time to time | 21:12 |
| lifeless | Daviey: I'm just starting to articulate why :) | 21:13 |
| Daviey | well, it is indeed embarrasing that stable/* is currently blocking Master | 21:13 |
| fungi | it does take on a life of its own if we don't step back and remind ourselves why it's there from time to time | 21:13 |
| Daviey | Well, stable has grown to also include the CD deployers aswell now. | 21:13 |
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| lifeless | it has? | 21:14 |
| lifeless | Daviey: which ones? | 21:14 |
| fungi | i think continuous deployment from stable branches wasn't a design goal originally? i'm worried that declaring it's something we as a community find desirable may hamstring us in other ways | 21:15 |
| Daviey | Well, *I* do. And i know of a few others. | 21:15 |
| lifeless | Daviey: so you deploy trunk using stable tooling? | 21:15 |
| lifeless | Daviey: (I'm trying to reconcile the statement...) | 21:15 |
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| Daviey | lifeless: Going off topic now.. but the intent is to have a Production Series and a Development Series. Production series is the latest stable/* tip, with internal dev, qa and prod enviroment. But also a CD(?, sort of) deployment of Master, with dev and qa enviroments to flush out breakage before it impacts us. | 21:17 |
| Daviey | When a Master release is cut, a prod enviroment is created from that, and Production and Development Series moves on one | 21:17 |
| Daviey | But the underlying point is, stable/* is slurped up in a CD workflow. | 21:17 |
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| Daviey | lifeless: Does that sound crazy? :) | 21:22 |
| mordred | I see no problems with that | 21:22 |
| lifeless | Daviey: not crazy, since keeping inventory low is valuable anywhere | 21:22 |
| fungi | i'm sure this is entirely because i'm missing the business logic driving those choices, but it does sound like overengineered process for process' sake | 21:22 |
| Daviey | It does mix CD with traditional, in that there is a major upgrade every 6 months.. but to a tested and integrated enviroment | 21:23 |
| lifeless | Daviey: but the increased pressure on stable/ to not change at all - transitively - I consider a bad thing. | 21:23 |
| lifeless | Daviey: the point of CD is to *enable* change, not to prevent it. | 21:23 |
| Daviey | fungi: business smisniss. | 21:24 |
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| Daviey | lifeless: The trouble with allowing new deps is that we break stable distros. | 21:24 |
| fungi | Daviey: i think the disconnect here is between "allowing" new dependencies and "testing with" new dependencies | 21:25 |
| Daviey | If we had complete confidence in upgrades, and distros switched to rolling releases.. Then this would work. I agree. | 21:25 |
| mordred | lifeless: I thin that stable/ should not change transitively | 21:26 |
| Daviey | lifeless: BTW, in the ops summit. There were a bunch of hands that said they were using stable/* branches directly. | 21:26 |
| mordred | lifeless: largely because the python ecosystem has proven itself consistently to not be able to do it | 21:26 |
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| lifeless | Daviey: so thats fine, I don't object to folk using the branches directly | 21:26 |
| lifeless | Daviey: my objection is to saying that we should tie everything down, because we know e.g. kernels have to change to support new hardware | 21:27 |
| Daviey | (I tried to stop that) | 21:27 |
| * fungi pictures superman, hand outstretched, standing in front of the train that is the hardware industry | 21:28 | |
| lifeless | fungi: :) | 21:28 |
| mordred | Gnawing off your leg (quiet quiet) | 21:28 |
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| lifeless | mordred: I think saying that configuration X is known to work is valuable; but thats a lesser statement than 'will only work with' which is what we seem to be saying | 21:29 |
| Daviey | Sorry, talking without context. Initally there were plans to swap out the kernel from under users to a newer version | 21:29 |
| Daviey | I was omgwtfno. | 21:29 |
| lifeless | ok, https://github.com/testing-cabal/testtools/pull/123 is now green | 21:30 |
| lifeless | I'm going to JFDI to unbreak things. Fingers crossed. | 21:30 |
| Daviey | Regarding upper-pinning for no good reason. This bit me recently, when I was stuck with a version of kerberos, and requests-kerberos had a no-good-reason pinning | 21:31 |
| Daviey | https://github.com/requests/requests-kerberos/issues/37 | 21:31 |
| Daviey | So, upper-pinning does suck. But for stable/* i kinda think it is the best thing | 21:32 |
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| lifeless | Daviey: why? | 21:35 |
| lifeless | Daviey: what risk is it addressing that is unique to stable/* ? | 21:36 |
| lifeless | [if its not unique to stable/*, we should address it globally, since folk deploy master directly too...] | 21:36 |
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| Daviey | lifeless: The upperpinning proposed is the latest version on pypi. Therefore, for Master it would essentially be an unbounced check - unless CI had found it not to work. | 21:37 |
| Daviey | So by that theory, I agree... It could make sense to upper-pin from the outset. | 21:38 |
| lifeless | Daviey: or to not pin at all :) | 21:38 |
| lifeless | ok, time to context switch | 21:39 |
| Daviey | The issue on stable/* is that we are chasing broken newer versions constantly, both in other upstreams and openstack native projects | 21:39 |
| fungi | Daviey: problem there is you're expecting <X on some requirement to have the effect of pip refusing to install >=X | 21:40 |
| fungi | Daviey: pip doesn't work that way | 21:40 |
| Daviey | lifeless: BTW, I am going to quote you with the idea of coming up with the idea of upper bound'ing Master. :) | 21:40 |
| lifeless | Daviey: troll :) | 21:40 |
| Daviey | fungi: It doesn't?? | 21:41 |
| fungi | Daviey: in fantasy land where none of our dependencies have dependencies on things we depend on, it would work out | 21:41 |
| Daviey | That is ok, just bring everything into stackforge. :) | 21:41 |
| lifeless | blanket statement time | 21:41 |
| lifeless | any strategy that depends on changing the behaviour of other projects transitively is very likely to fail | 21:42 |
| lifeless | 'make other projects release good API compatible code' is one such strategy | 21:42 |
| lifeless | pinning just our direct dependencies is equivalent to 'make other projects release good API compatible code' | 21:42 |
| * fungi boils the ocean to make tea | 21:42 | |
| Daviey | I don't think anyone is suggesting changing other projects? | 21:43 |
| lifeless | if we can show that what we're trying is equivalent to that, it should be a warning flag | 21:43 |
| lifeless | at the moment we don't list transitive deps in requirements.txt | 21:43 |
| fungi | Daviey: A depends on B<X and C, C depends on B>X, pip will install B>X when you ask it to install A | 21:44 |
| lifeless | the proposal to pin everything *in requirements.txt* doesn't change behaviour for anything transitively depended on | 21:44 |
| Daviey | lifeless: If $project does a release that either Master or stable/* have not prepared for, gating its support keeps the project flowing - whilst we have a measurable list of requirements we known to be broken that we can fix openstack code for (or just keep the block) | 21:44 |
| lifeless | which means our stability is dependent on the deps of our deps not breaking anything every | 21:44 |
| Daviey | fungi: I am struggling to parse your line myself. :) | 21:45 |
| fungi | Daviey: so is pip | 21:45 |
| Daviey | Ah.. penny has dropped. We'd still have a regressive story. | 21:45 |
| fungi | Daviey: stated differently, pip sees a list of dependencies as a recursive task list, it does not digest the entirely of all dependencies and determine a way to solve them | 21:45 |
| * Daviey drops lifeless idea of pinning stuff in Master | 21:45 | |
| lifeless | Daviey: twas not my idea | 21:46 |
| fungi | s/entirely/entirety? | 21:46 |
| lifeless | even if pip did do a global solve etc | 21:46 |
| * fungi gives up on typing and finds beer | 21:47 | |
| lifeless | we'd still need to start listing everything in requirements.txt | 21:47 |
| lifeless | which we stopped doing | 21:47 |
| lifeless | because it was hugely high maintenance | 21:47 |
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| dims | lifeless: the JFDI comment above, cut a new release? | 21:49 |
| fungi | dims: yeah, unittest2 0.8.1 so that https://review.openstack.org/#/q/Ib0e27fd,n,z will pass | 21:50 |
| dims | fungi: cool | 21:50 |
| dims | am just catching up on the mailing list as well | 21:51 |
| fungi | dims: though the pin testtools in global-reqs changes from earlier exposed a previously unknown requirements integration challenge in stable/juno | 21:52 |
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| lifeless | actually it will be testtools 1.3 | 21:52 |
| fungi | aha | 21:53 |
| fungi | but needed the relevant plumbing in that unittest2 pr? | 21:53 |
| fungi | nevermind | 21:53 |
| lifeless | fungi: that was a testtools pr | 21:53 |
| fungi | i see now that was a testtools pr | 21:53 |
| fungi | heh | 21:53 |
| * fungi has weekend eyes | 21:53 | |
| lifeless | ok 1.3.0 up | 21:55 |
| fungi | as soon as bandersnatch picks that up i'll recheck | 21:55 |
| lifeless | it also now has a universal wheel | 21:56 |
| fungi | awesomesauce | 21:56 |
| lifeless | Daviey: mute? | 21:57 |
| lifeless | Daviey: do you mean moot? | 21:57 |
| Daviey | lifeless: indeed | 21:58 |
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| fungi | okay, 1.3.0 is on our mirrors now | 22:00 |
| fungi | and devstack fixes are all rechecked | 22:01 |
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| lifeless | fungi: urls for them ? | 22:09 |
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| fungi | lifeless: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/Ib0e27fd,n,z links all three | 22:09 |
| Daviey | publish docs, icehouse - failure expected? | 22:10 |
| fungi | Daviey: on what change? | 22:11 |
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| fungi | Daviey: oh, the devstack changes, yeah probably (they're non-voting) | 22:11 |
| Daviey | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134730/ | 22:11 |
| Daviey | Right.. but curious what might have caused that. | 22:11 |
| fungi | shocco.sh: 66: shocco.sh: Syntax error: "}" unexpected | 22:12 |
| fungi | apparently shocco is broken and can't be installed | 22:13 |
| Daviey | Failing on latest recheck for juno aswell | 22:13 |
| fungi | and master | 22:13 |
| Daviey | Wonder if a later version of unittest2 pushes out different style data? | 22:14 |
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| fungi | mordred: dhellmann: client versioning conversation starter fired off to the dev ml | 22:50 |
| fungi | lifeless: looking at the completed and near-completed rechecks of my devstack changes with testtools 1.3.0, i think that may have solved the problem | 22:55 |
| Daviey | fungi: We still have the oslo.middleware problem on juno, right? | 22:56 |
| fungi | Daviey: yes, but only on changes to openstack/requirements stable/juno | 22:56 |
| fungi | Daviey: since that's the only place that job runs | 22:56 |
| Daviey | Ah good. We probably don't need to panic a fix in then! | 22:56 |
| Daviey | fungi: I started looking at oslo.messaging|middleware in devstack.. but I didn't like what i was doing. | 22:57 |
| fungi | i'm all for less panic and doing something more fun with the rest of my weekend | 22:57 |
| fungi | ugh. tempest.scenario.test_baremetal_basic_ops.BaremetalBasicOps.test_baremetal_server_ops is flaky and times out. we might want to switch check-tempest-dsvm-ironic-pxe_ssh-nv back to non-voting on devstack changes | 23:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed openstack-infra/git-review: Test git-review CI (not to merge) https://review.openstack.org/130949 | 23:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Add query for test_baremetal_server_ops timeout https://review.openstack.org/134738 | 23:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Eduardo Costa proposed openstack-infra/reviewday: Escape double quotes for the subject field. https://review.openstack.org/134739 | 23:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed openstack-infra/git-review: Test git-review CI (not to merge) https://review.openstack.org/130949 | 23:55 |
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