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| clarkb | adam_g: see 150650 and I can change my vote if I am wrong | 00:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Khai Do proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Setup project to run jobs on jenkins-dev.o.o https://review.openstack.org/153739 | 00:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Khai Do proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Setup project to run jobs on jenkins-dev.o.o https://review.openstack.org/153739 | 00:23 |
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| mordred | clarkb: nope. Right now assume people are testing them | 00:54 |
| clarkb | mordred: cool wfm | 00:55 |
| mordred | We will add testing for real ... I promise | 00:55 |
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| clarkb | mordred: you should review the stack starting at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153093/1 | 00:55 |
| clarkb | we are very close to working multinode testing again | 00:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/git-review: get_remote_url(): honor any "url.<base>.insteadOf" config setting https://review.openstack.org/109851 | 01:01 |
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| SpamapS | hm can't seem to shake this rspec gem install problem | 01:43 |
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| fungi | SpamapS: is it complaining that there's no autotools installed? | 01:50 |
| SpamapS | Error: Could not update: Execution of '/usr/bin/gem install --no-rdoc --no-ri puppetlabs_spec_helper' returned 1: ERROR: While executing gem ... (Gem::DependencyError) Unable to resolve dependencies: rspec requires rspec-core (~> 2.99.0), rspec-expectations (~> 2.99.0), rspec-mocks (~> 2.99.0) | 01:54 |
| fungi | oh, huh no that's a new one on me | 01:54 |
| openstackgerrit | K Jonathan Harker proposed openstack-infra/nodepool: Reset the client object before creating the image https://review.openstack.org/74943 | 01:55 |
| fungi | nibalizer: does that rspec issue for puppetlabs_spec_helper ring any bells? | 01:55 |
| SpamapS | fungi: do we normally gem install.. anything? | 01:55 |
| fungi | SpamapS: depends on what you consider normal | 01:55 |
| fungi | SpamapS: in this case i believe puppetlabs_spec_helper is not packaged elseways and gets used to run puppet linting jobs or something | 01:56 |
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| SpamapS | fungi: ok, so perhaps its one of those transient gem insanity things like we see with pip insanity? | 01:59 |
| fungi | i... guess it could be | 01:59 |
| fungi | hopefully one of our compatriots with comparatively greater ruby/puppet mojo will happen along | 02:01 |
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| SpamapS | fungi: until then I'll use 'break=after-error' | 02:09 |
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| SpamapS | and see if gem can be coerced to explain better | 02:09 |
| fungi | sounds like a reasonable tactic | 02:10 |
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| lifeless | jesusaurus: mordred: its all fixed and backported for a couple months now IIRC | 03:47 |
| lifeless | jesusaurus: if you have bad output then ping me and we'll try to figure out whats up | 03:48 |
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| nibalizer | fungi: yea | 04:13 |
| nibalizer | crinkle: mgagne EmilienM fix rspec ^? | 04:13 |
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| crinkle | I haven't seen that before | 04:17 |
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| crinkle | is there a log with more context? | 04:19 |
| crinkle | SpamapS: ^ | 04:19 |
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| nibalizer | this isn't the rspec breakage from earlier? then im lost | 04:36 |
| nibalizer | im about to plane so im useless to you fungi sorry | 04:36 |
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| fungi | nibalizer: no worries, i'm basically weekending at this point | 04:37 |
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| fungi | happy travels | 04:37 |
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| jeblair | restarting zuul | 15:34 |
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| jeblair | okay that's pretty cool, there are dependency lines in the check pipeline :) | 15:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/zuul: Add extra liveness check to queue processor https://review.openstack.org/153334 | 16:27 |
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| tchaypo | jeblair: if you’re around, I’d like to talk about ^^^ | 17:02 |
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| tchaypo | i think we’re having a mismatch between what people who understand elastic-recheck mean by “always” and what people who don’t understand it (ie, me) understand by “always” :) | 17:03 |
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| jeblair | tchaypo: those are good points. i think the conversation needs to include mtreinish, sdague, and jogo though. | 17:12 |
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| tchaypo | better to have it on the review then | 17:12 |
| jeblair | or monday :) | 17:13 |
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| tchaypo | Oh | 17:24 |
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| tchaypo | In a few weeks I'll be back in Australia and working regular hours and days, and I might start noticing weekends again | 17:25 |
| jeblair | i was beginning to wonder :) | 17:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/zuul: Don't show jobs for non-live changes https://review.openstack.org/153801 | 17:30 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/zuul: Add extra liveness check to queue processor. https://review.openstack.org/153334 | 17:30 |
| jeblair | i found some problems with the CRD changes so i have restarted zuul without them | 17:30 |
| jeblair | i have new test cases and fixes in progress | 17:30 |
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| fungi | cool--checking those out now | 17:58 |
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| jeblair | fungi: oh, sorry, most of the substantial fixes are still local WIP. the only one i pushed up is a cosmetic fix | 18:01 |
| zxiiro | I've noticed jenkins job builder takes a long time to upload jobs if you use authentication. Any tips on how to speed that up? | 18:02 |
| zxiiro | there's like a <10 second per job delay to upload each job | 18:02 |
| fungi | jeblair: guess i'll try to contain my excitement until later ;) | 18:02 |
| fungi | zxiiro: interesting. i don't think we're observing that sort of delay with our deployment at all | 18:03 |
| fungi | zxiiro: we're using user/password auth to our jenkins masters | 18:04 |
| zxiiro | really? hmm I can reproduce it with the jenkins docker image too. Turn on authentication and uploading takes significantly longer several seconds per job. but disabling authentication jobs are uploaded in seemingly instantly no matter how many jobs. | 18:05 |
| zxiiro | With a few jobs it takes ~4-5 minutes but now that we have almost 100 jobs it' s taking upwards of 20 minutes to upload all of our jobs | 18:06 |
| fungi | zxiiro: yeah, i'm running some benchmarks now to confirm | 18:06 |
| zxiiro | i originally thought it was SSL but am pretty confident it's authentication related now | 18:06 |
| zxiiro | since the docker jenkins image doens't come with SSL enabled | 18:07 |
| fungi | zxiiro: difference in elapsed runtime between running update for one job and update for 3 jobs is ~0.3 seconds | 18:07 |
| fungi | zxiiro: it does take ~11 seconds but the number of jobs updated doesn't seem to change that | 18:08 |
| fungi | at least not by orders of magnitude | 18:08 |
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| zxiiro | here's an example of a job we had that took 23 minutes https://jenkins.opendaylight.org/releng/view/builder/job/builder-merge/168/console | 18:11 |
| zxiiro | I can only imagine as we get more jobs in it's gonna eventually take hours to run | 18:12 |
| zxiiro | on average though it takes us about 6 minutes to push 9 jobs which thanks to caching we don't always have to push every job | 18:13 |
| fungi | zxiiro: well, a couple of things, first it does maintain a local cache so it only applies updates via api for the jobs which changed since the last run, but also we have thousands of jobs (>4500 at current count) and a full update completes in a matter of 10-20 minutes | 18:14 |
| zxiiro | good to know it runs fast for you. That means there must be something I can do to speed this up. Just need to figure out what now :) | 18:14 |
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| fungi | also worth pointing out that our jenkins masters have ~30gb ram and 8x vpcus so maybe there are resource constraints we're not encountering | 18:15 |
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| fungi | zxiiro: if the bottleneck seems to be jenkins-side, there are some diagnostics built into its jvm where you can get a little better picture of where it's spinning its wheels | 18:16 |
| fungi | zxiiro: might be worth starting a thread on the openstack-infra@lists.openstack.org ml to discuss possible performance tuning for a jenkins+jjb deployment | 18:17 |
| zxiiro | fungi: thanks | 18:18 |
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| fungi | zxiiro: thank _you_ for using the software and providing feedback. that's really helpful to us as well ;) | 18:19 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/zuul: Fix independent pipeline CRD https://review.openstack.org/153809 | 18:19 |
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| zxiiro | No problem, I plan on contributing more patches to JJB, we're using it pretty heavily in our project now and it's been a great help for the sysadmins in terms of managing the servers. | 18:21 |
| fungi | zxiiro: that's excellent! | 18:21 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/zuul: Don't show jobs for non-live changes https://review.openstack.org/153801 | 18:21 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/zuul: Add extra liveness check to queue processor https://review.openstack.org/153334 | 18:21 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/zuul: Fix independent pipeline CRD https://review.openstack.org/153809 | 18:21 |
| jeblair | fungi: okay that change ^ has fixes for the problems i observed (and then some that i thought of while looking at code) | 18:22 |
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| jeblair | fungi: no rush though -- i've exceeded my saturday morning work quota (and zuul is running pre-crd code, so it's fine) | 18:22 |
| jeblair | fungi: i will admit that change could probably use some more tests to exercise some of the fixes, and maybe could be more than one change (i just wrote it that way and wanted to at least get all the thoughts complete and published) | 18:24 |
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| fungi | zxiiro: it's relatively low-volume (maybe a couple posts a day), unlike say openstack-dev which gets hundreds a day | 18:25 |
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| fungi | jeblair: cool, i'll have a look through them soonish | 18:26 |
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| zxiiro | can I be confident that all emails from review@openstack.org are for gerrit? (just setting up my mail filters) | 18:28 |
| fungi | zxiiro: yes, i have my filters set with that assumption and it's not failed me yet | 18:28 |
| zxiiro | great | 18:28 |
| fungi | zxiiro: actually i thought i did, but no, i match on $h_list-id: contains "review.openstack.org" | 18:29 |
| fungi | zxiiro: because gerrit actually seems to set that header consistently | 18:29 |
| fungi | small miracles | 18:30 |
| zxiiro | ah that works too cool thanks! | 18:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | greghaynes proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add docs jobs for diskimage-builder https://review.openstack.org/153810 | 18:33 |
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| anteaya | devananda: I wanted to say thank you and you were correct, the whole noisy neighbours thing has been an attempt to co-opt my energy and I never considered it until you mentioned it as a possiblity at nova mid-cycle | 18:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andrey Pavlov proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add functional test jobs for EC2 project https://review.openstack.org/153811 | 18:46 |
| anteaya | devananda: I did a meditation this morning, I collected my stones and demanded some answers | 18:47 |
| anteaya | devananda: in response I was offered an opportunity | 18:47 |
| anteaya | devananda: which I accepted because it felt right to do so | 18:47 |
| anteaya | devananda: then I got my answer, turns out they thought they could co-opt me and block my energy and convince me to use if for what they wanted | 18:47 |
| anteaya | devananda: turns out that backfired | 18:48 |
| anteaya | devananda: so thanks for planting that idea, you were correct | 18:48 |
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| SpamapS | nibalizer: we had rspec breakage from before? | 19:01 |
| SpamapS | nibalizer: maybe I have something evil cached? | 19:01 |
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| SpamapS | crinkle: here's the puppet run with full context http://paste.openstack.org/show/168820/ | 19:02 |
| SpamapS | crinkle: the script is just running SUDO='true' THIN='false' prepare-node | 19:03 |
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| SpamapS | Error: Could not initialize global default settings: Certificate names must be lower case; see #1168 | 19:05 |
| SpamapS | my hostname is clint-HP | 19:05 |
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| nibalizer | lolol wat | 19:23 |
| nibalizer | thats a puppet error? | 19:23 |
| SpamapS | nibalizer: looks like gem stuff | 19:26 |
| SpamapS | # gem install --no-rdoc --no-ri puppetlabs_spec_helper | 19:26 |
| SpamapS | ERROR: While executing gem ... (Gem::DependencyError) Unable to resolve dependencies: rspec requires rspec-core (~> 2.99.0), rspec-expectations (~> 2.99.0), rspec-mocks (~> 2.99.0) | 19:26 |
| SpamapS | but | 19:26 |
| SpamapS | # gem list --local | grep rspec | 19:26 |
| SpamapS | rspec (3.2.0) | 19:26 |
| SpamapS | so WTF | 19:26 |
| SpamapS | also I am a little shocked to see that we rely on gems | 19:27 |
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| crinkle | it looks like it's just for the forge-upload job | 19:34 |
| crinkle | otherwise there's no reason to install gems that way | 19:35 |
| crinkle | nibalizer: ^ isn't that your thing? | 19:35 |
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| nibalizer | we bundle install for the rspec tests | 19:35 |
| nibalizer | iirc | 19:36 |
| crinkle | but the forge-upload job is gem installing directly | 19:36 |
| nibalizer | im on phone right now so.... | 19:36 |
| fungi | is there maybe a way to just cache those without installing them, and then let the jobs install from local cache (like we do with a lot of the devstack distro package deps)? | 19:36 |
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| fungi | that's ideal because it allows us to cache things which might conflict but then install what a job needs quickly-ish at runtime | 19:36 |
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| fungi | and also uncomplicates the image builds a lot since caching things is usually a lot safer/easier than fully installing them | 19:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andrey Pavlov proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add functional test jobs for EC2 project https://review.openstack.org/153811 | 19:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/zuul: Fix independent pipeline CRD https://review.openstack.org/153809 | 19:52 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/zuul: Check liveness of changes before removing https://review.openstack.org/153813 | 19:52 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/zuul: Avoid leaking dynamic change queues https://review.openstack.org/153814 | 19:52 |
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| jeblair | that's the change split into three; that should be easier to read and make it obvious where tests are lacking (at least the last 2 changes) | 19:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Andrey Pavlov proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add functional test jobs for EC2 project https://review.openstack.org/153811 | 19:54 |
| SpamapS | nibalizer: so, any suggestion on how to get past this? | 19:56 |
| SpamapS | nibalizer: prepare-node fails every time for me. :-/ | 19:56 |
| nibalizer | SpamapS: sorry i just got to an actual computer | 19:56 |
| nibalizer | and still on airport derpwifi | 19:57 |
| SpamapS | nibalizer: np, it is, after all, Saturday. :) | 19:57 |
| nibalizer | fungi: you can use gem install --local <path> but thats not exactly what you're asking for | 19:57 |
| nibalizer | SpamapS: which test are you trying to run? | 19:57 |
| nibalizer | if its in scrollback i've lost it | 19:57 |
| crinkle | I think it's a bug in the puppetlabs_spec_helper or one of its dependencies | 19:57 |
| crinkle | trying to install it on a clean system gives me the same error | 19:58 |
| nibalizer | just doing gem install puppetlabs_spec_helper? | 19:58 |
| crinkle | yeah | 19:58 |
| crinkle | makes zero sense | 19:58 |
| SpamapS | nibalizer: I'm actually trying to build images using diskimage-builder | 19:58 |
| crinkle | but installing rspec --version '~>2.99.0' and then installing the spec helper works | 19:59 |
| SpamapS | crinkle: see even that fails for me | 19:59 |
| crinkle | oh hrm | 19:59 |
| SpamapS | actually no | 19:59 |
| SpamapS | I was mistaken | 19:59 |
| SpamapS | 2.99 makes things owrk | 19:59 |
| SpamapS | I had 3.2.0 | 19:59 |
| crinkle | gem fails at dep resolution i guess >.< | 20:00 |
| SpamapS | probably some dependency deeper in that requires >3 | 20:00 |
| SpamapS | and yeah, gem isn't going "hey this is uninstallable because of foo" it's just failing | 20:00 |
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| SpamapS | it also doesn't help that puppet is freaking out about my clint-HP hostname | 20:01 |
| SpamapS | like.. srrsly? | 20:01 |
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| crinkle | what is it saying? | 20:03 |
| fungi | every sufficiently complex programming language^W^Wpackage manager will either have to use lisp^Wdpkg or reinvent it the hard way | 20:03 |
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| nibalizer | sorry yall, getting airport wifi'd hard over here | 20:07 |
| nibalizer | crinkle: SpamapS http://paste.openstack.org/show/168851/ i was able to install puppetalbs_spec_helper without issue in a clean env | 20:12 |
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| SpamapS | Error: Could not initialize global default settings: Certificate names must be lower case; see #1168 | 20:14 |
| SpamapS | crinkle: ^ | 20:14 |
| SpamapS | nibalizer: I don't actually know what that means and I have approximately 0.1 galactic standard units of rvm and gem knowledge. | 20:14 |
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| * SpamapS is getting that old sick feeling that puppet and ruby have always given him. :-/ | 20:15 | |
| openstackgerrit | Spencer Krum proposed openstack-infra/puppet-logstash: Enhance and refactor head-of-file docs https://review.openstack.org/153817 | 20:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Spencer Krum proposed openstack-infra/puppet-logstash: Locking down apache module version https://review.openstack.org/153818 | 20:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Spencer Krum proposed openstack-infra/puppet-logstash: Modernize kibana vhost template https://review.openstack.org/153819 | 20:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Spencer Krum proposed openstack-infra/puppet-logstash: Flesh out the readme https://review.openstack.org/153820 | 20:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Spencer Krum proposed openstack-infra/puppet-log_processor: Setting dependencies in metadata.json https://review.openstack.org/153821 | 20:17 |
| nibalizer | SpamapS: what versiion of puppet do you have? | 20:19 |
| nibalizer | are you sure that error is comming from puppet? | 20:19 |
| SpamapS | root@clint-HP:/# puppet help | 20:20 |
| SpamapS | Error: Could not initialize global default settings: Certificate names must be lower case; see #1168 | 20:20 |
| SpamapS | root@clint-HP:/# puppet --version | 20:20 |
| SpamapS | Error: Could not initialize global default settings: Certificate names must be lower case; see #1168 | 20:20 |
| SpamapS | nibalizer: pretty sure.... | 20:20 |
| nibalizer | this is an issue http://projects.puppetlabs.com/issues/1168 but they fixed that AGES ago | 20:20 |
| nibalizer | wow | 20:20 |
| nibalizer | paste puppet.conf ? | 20:20 |
| SpamapS | ii puppet 3.7.4-1puppetlabs1 all Centralized configuration management - agent startup and compatibility sc | 20:21 |
| nibalizer | gem list | grep puppet ? | 20:21 |
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| SpamapS | http://paste.openstack.org/show/168857/ | 20:21 |
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| crinkle | seems like they didn't really fix it https://tickets.puppetlabs.com/browse/PUP-2551 | 20:22 |
| SpamapS | nibalizer: puppet is dpkg installed. | 20:22 |
| SpamapS | anyway, sounds like there's a bug in the code that writes puppet.conf | 20:25 |
| SpamapS | needs to downcase | 20:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Clint 'SpamapS' Byrum proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Prevent puppet certname with mixed-case hostnames https://review.openstack.org/153823 | 20:31 |
| SpamapS | crinkle: ^ | 20:31 |
| SpamapS | nibalizer: ^ | 20:31 |
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| nibalizer | wow | 20:36 |
| nibalizer | wtf puppet be better | 20:36 |
| nibalizer | SpamapS: no thats not where you want to do it | 20:38 |
| nibalizer | i think you want to put it in launch_node.py | 20:38 |
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| crinkle | SpamapS: I think this will fix the rspec issue https://github.com/puppetlabs/puppetlabs_spec_helper/pull/90 | 21:39 |
| crinkle | though that's not immediately helpful | 21:39 |
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| mordred | SpamapS: I'm confused as to why that part of the process is breaking for you - since we run the puppet part of the dib elements daily | 22:16 |
| mordred | SpamapS: althoguh I know the errors can be super frustrating - I'll love to learn what it is about your env that's different from ours | 22:17 |
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| jroll | people may also work for organizations where nearly everyone top posts, and just be used to it and not realize it's frowned upon on the dev list | 22:53 |
| kashyap | Product, and higher level people are okay. It's annoying when technical people do that | 22:53 |
| clarkb | gmail allows you to bottom post | 22:53 |
| clarkb | outlook however is almost impossible | 22:54 |
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| kashyap | Our wiki says "Don't use it! " for Outlook :-) | 22:54 |
| kashyap | That's being very, very polite | 22:54 |
| kashyap | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/MailingListEtiquette#Outlook | 22:55 |
| jroll | kashyap: they may just not know... openstack was my first experience where most people bottom post | 22:55 |
| kashyap | jroll, Oh, so you've been on worse lists? If you say openstack-upstream has most bottom posting folks. . . | 22:56 |
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| jroll | kashyap: I've never worked on a project with a proper list | 22:56 |
| jroll | a huge corp, a couple small startups, and now rackspace/openstack | 22:57 |
| kashyap | Hmm | 22:57 |
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| jroll | maybe just didn't work with highly technical people, idk | 22:58 |
| * kashyap spends most of his time interacting with projects where patches are done via mailing lists (I still find it much faster than gerrit - with a combination of mutt and git_ | 23:00 | |
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| kashyap | Although tools like gertty are trying to make it easier for those who prefer mainly CLI offline workflows | 23:01 |
| mordred | kashyap: sad as it may be, I think we've lost the battle on top-post/bottom-post | 23:02 |
| mordred | there are enough folks out there trapped in mail clients that simply can't do the other thing ... I don't use it for open source - but for work I have no choice but to use Outlook Web - which is too stupid to properly do quoting and bottom posting | 23:03 |
| kashyap | mordred, Indeed. | 23:03 |
| * mordred stabs evil MUAs | 23:03 | |
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| nibalizer | mordred: wasnt someone working on greasemonkey for that? | 23:04 |
| mordred | nibalizer: probably? | 23:04 |
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| kashyap | mordred, If people are forced to submit patches to mailing list, then people will get off their lazy bums to use a *real* mail client and not some half-assed one | 23:04 |
| mordred | kashyap: well - I don't think patches to mailing list would work out for us - but also, again, much as I agree with you - we have a BUNCH of people working on this project that simply do not have that kind of choice | 23:05 |
| mordred | we have an extra-high number of folks who are normal corporate devs who have been assigned to work on this | 23:05 |
| kashyap | mordred, Of course, I was only being silly, we've converged on gerrit, for better or worse | 23:05 |
| mordred | :) | 23:05 |
| kashyap | "this project" being OpenStack? | 23:06 |
| mordred | yah | 23:06 |
| clarkb | if I had to use mail to deal with the 500 oustanding changes to review I would probably give up | 23:06 |
| mordred | nibalizer: what I really want is to get my corporate overlord to open IMAP ports to the internet | 23:06 |
| mordred | clarkb: ++ | 23:06 |
| kashyap | (Sorry, it's late here in Europe, only half-awake here) | 23:06 |
| jroll | mordred: ++ | 23:06 |
| mordred | kashyap: it's last here in NY - but I'm not sure I'm fully awake yet :) | 23:06 |
| mordred | gah | 23:07 |
| mordred | s/last/late/ | 23:07 |
| jroll | although I think maybe mine did | 23:07 |
| kashyap | :) | 23:07 |
| mordred | jroll: I remember your overlords having an email setup that was not as bad as my current overlords | 23:07 |
| mordred | then it's funny when I get occasional flack for never using corporate email for external communication :) | 23:07 |
| clarkb | they use outlook + exchange iirc | 23:07 |
| jroll | mordred: it got worse and now it's getting better, though I can't speak to your current one :P | 23:07 |
| kashyap | Thankfully, /me spends a lot of time with lower layer virt projects where traditional mailing lists rule the roost. And, I use use gerrit (with gertty) for OpenStack | 23:08 |
| mordred | yay gertty! | 23:08 |
| jroll | mordred: but still all exchange on the backend | 23:08 |
| mordred | jroll: I actually don't care if it's exchange if it exposes IMAP | 23:09 |
| jroll | right | 23:09 |
| mordred | I mean, they're crazy to run Exchange for all of the reasons | 23:09 |
| fungi | kashyap: we as a project have a disproportionately high ratio of first-time contributors to free software compared to other, more established free software communities (and so lack a history with the earlier technical etiquette/culture of the internet) | 23:09 |
| mordred | but meh | 23:09 |
| mordred | yup | 23:09 |
| kashyap | fungi, Yeah, that's quite evident from a ton of posts on the list. | 23:10 |
| fungi | so to those of us who have been doing it for decades, yes it seems strange and at times annoying | 23:10 |
| fungi | and i'm sure for them, it probably seems new and frightening and i'm simply glad as many are as engaged as they are | 23:11 |
| clarkb | +1 | 23:11 |
| kashyap | fungi, I couldn't find a faster workflow with gerrit (gertty sort of comes close, still doesn't do it) that I could with applying patches from mutt and git for faster testing | 23:11 |
| clarkb | also seriously non terrible clients fix this problem | 23:11 |
| clarkb | mutt too iirc | 23:11 |
| clarkb | kashyap you know about 'c' in gertty right? | 23:12 |
| clarkb | that is incredibly fast :) | 23:12 |
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| nibalizer | ya c is magic goodness | 23:13 |
| kashyap | clarkb, Yeah, noticed it, but haven't used it. I used gertty only to comment so far :) | 23:13 |
| kashyap | Just read the help page for it, is surely useful | 23:13 |
| * mordred recommands c highly | 23:13 | |
| kashyap | Thanks for the pointer! | 23:13 |
| nibalizer | kashyap: i c what you did there | 23:13 |
| fungi | mordred commands it and then recommands it again | 23:13 |
| kashyap | nibalizer, :-) | 23:13 |
| fungi | it's just _that_ useful | 23:13 |
| mordred | at some point, I'd love to get an email gateway to gerrit | 23:14 |
| mordred | because the workflow is pretty much spot on identical - there is no real reason why some people couldn't choose to interact with gerrit via "patches in email" | 23:14 |
| * fungi would hook that up to his chess by e-mail client and checkmake reviews | 23:14 | |
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| nibalizer | we need more email rpc in our lives ... | 23:16 |
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| fungi | mordred: we could also do a gerrit project->nntp gateway so you could use a newsreader to subscribe to projects, and it would do thread-per-change | 23:18 |
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| mordred | fungi: ++ | 23:20 |
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| fungi | oh, though gertty is pretty much already there anyway, just without the choice of bring-your-own-nntp-client | 23:22 |
| fungi | so you're stuck making do with its really excellent ui | 23:22 |
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| mordred | ++ | 23:29 |
| clarkb | chicken and waffles so good | 23:35 |
| fungi | it's funny how a staple meal like that from 80 years ago virtually disappears and then gets rediscovered | 23:35 |
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| clarkb | its amazing | 23:39 |
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| clarkb | also chicken and dumplings maybe I make that tomorrow | 23:39 |
| fungi | if you want pure food evil, for a while i started making chicken and dumpling pot pie | 23:40 |
| fungi | e.g. pie crust with chicken and dumplings as the filling instead of what you'd normally put in a chicken pot pie | 23:41 |
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| clarkb | nice | 23:41 |
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