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| Murad | Does anybody know how to install devstack without TGT? | 13:34 |
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| fungi | Murad: i've never tried but looks like you'd probably at least need to customize its cinder config. you might have more luck asking in #openstack-qa since that's where devstack development is usually discussed | 14:04 |
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| Murad | thanks funcgi | 14:14 |
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| SpamapS | mordred: yeah I'm confused what is broken for me too. But as you know, I have a knack for breaking stuff. :) | 18:09 |
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| mordred | SpamapS: it's one of your finer features | 18:10 |
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| SpamapS | mordred: if only I could grow a moustache, I could have something finer | 18:10 |
| mordred | SpamapS: ++ | 18:11 |
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| SpamapS | mordred: the pull request crinkle put up seems right. | 18:13 |
| SpamapS | mordred: I'm guessing you all use some kind of gem magic mirror thing that is masking the issue. | 18:13 |
| SpamapS | caching: the true hidden influencer | 18:14 |
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| mordred | but we don't | 18:22 |
| mordred | that's why I'm confused | 18:22 |
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| SpamapS | mordred: well it is 100% reproducible on my laptop, so I'm sure we can figure it out. :-P | 18:42 |
| mordred | woot | 18:47 |
| mordred | SpamapS: did you apt-get install i-hate-ruby on your laptop? | 18:48 |
| mordred | SpamapS: that's my mistake most of the time | 18:48 |
| mordred | SpamapS: I'm going to give it a try on my laptop | 18:51 |
| mordred | SpamapS: you're working off of that bare node patch I shoved up, right? | 18:51 |
| mordred | also - for everyone in the channel ... | 18:52 |
| mordred | my internet in NY is SO MUCH BETTER than my palo alto internet was - I can actually run dib here, whereas doing so effectively broke my network at the other place | 18:52 |
| mordred | SpamapS: did you sort out an answer for "can not determine release" ? | 18:53 |
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| mordred | SpamapS: also - wow, even on super-fast internet the "clone all of the repos" sure does takea while don't it? | 19:10 |
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| mordred | SpamapS: you'll be happy to know that I'm successfully past the part of the image build where it installs and starts operating puppet | 19:36 |
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| mordred | SpamapS: so now I think I'm 100% prepared to help troubleshoot why it's broken for you | 19:38 |
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| nibalizer | SpamapS: one thing to ask is 'why is puppetlabs_spec_helper' getting installed | 19:47 |
| nibalizer | since that should be a development dependency, not a runtime dependency | 19:47 |
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| mordred | oh! | 20:35 |
| mordred | I hit it! | 20:35 |
| mordred | SpamapS, nibalizer: I have hit your problem - it comes way later in the process than I was expecting | 20:36 |
| mordred | nibalizer: it's being installed because this is a template for the non-devstack form of the disk image build - and we install puppetlabs_spec_helper so that we can run rspec tests on the nodes | 20:37 |
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| mordred | notmyname: if you happen to be around - there isnt' another word for a swift container that isn't container is there? | 20:48 |
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| notmyname | mordred: S3 calls it a bucket | 20:58 |
| notmyname | mordred: but it's a container and only a container and nothing else is a container in swift | 20:58 |
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| * Shrews tries to store a docker container in a swift container and determine which contains which | 21:00 | |
| nibalizer | rocket containers are just files accessible by http, so its totaly reasonable to pull a rocket container from a swift container | 21:01 |
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| mordred | notmyname: yeah - the main problem here is that it's a set of general openstack modules with a form of os_${noun} | 21:07 |
| mordred | notmyname: the thing that makes the most sense is os_container for the module to make swift containers (Which is what the module is called) | 21:08 |
| notmyname | mordred: I don't follow | 21:08 |
| mordred | but looking at it just by itself, I'm worried that it could confuse a new user | 21:08 |
| mordred | notmyname: I may be overthinking the problem | 21:08 |
| notmyname | os_swift_{account,container,object}_{server,replicator,expirer,reconciler,reconstructor,auditor,updater} | 21:09 |
| mordred | nope | 21:09 |
| mordred | we don't include project codenames | 21:09 |
| notmyname | os == openstack or object storage | 21:10 |
| mordred | openstack | 21:10 |
| notmyname | os_os_... | 21:10 |
| mordred | heh. | 21:10 |
| mordred | I was thinking about os_object_container just to be clear- but that's alittle ugly | 21:10 |
| notmyname | if you're exposing pieces of a particular project, you must namespace those. eg os_swift_whatever | 21:11 |
| notmyname | the question is what namespace to use | 21:11 |
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| notmyname | os_object_object? | 21:11 |
| mordred | notmyname: so - quick step back to give you the motivation context for not including project name | 21:12 |
| notmyname | without the namespace, for swift alone, you'll probably have conflicts with each of account, container, and object | 21:12 |
| notmyname | no, just using that as an example | 21:12 |
| mordred | nod | 21:12 |
| notmyname | because it's shorter than "object storage" or "distributed eventually consistent object blob storage" | 21:12 |
| notmyname | os_decobs_... | 21:13 |
| mordred | well - for admin concepts, os_swift_ actually will get applied - because if an admin doesn't know which actual technology they are running for a given need, they're screwed | 21:13 |
| notmyname | I slightly surprised to see you say that :-) | 21:13 |
| mordred | but for end-user concepts, we're skipping project names - because many things are things that depending on deployer choice you need to talk to glance or nova, or nova or neutron, or glance or swift ... etc | 21:13 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:14 |
| notmyname | where are these names exposed? how are these being used? | 21:14 |
| mordred | for instance "give me an IP address please" may be a neutron api call or a nova api call depending - but it's the same ultimate resource that wants managed | 21:14 |
| mordred | notmyname: a set of ansible modules - so in an ansible playbook, you'd use os_server or os_network or os_object to create or manage one of those things | 21:15 |
| notmyname | you still need a namespace in there :-) | 21:15 |
| mordred | I do? | 21:15 |
| notmyname | oh, those are the namespaces.. n/m | 21:15 |
| mordred | notmyname: have I mentioned how much I love conversations about naming? | 21:16 |
| notmyname | ...it's one of the hard problems of CS | 21:17 |
| notmyname | so "<openstack namespace>_<project namespace>_<project component>" seems sane | 21:18 |
| mordred | I think the two best choices right now are: a) stay with os_container since openstack doesn't actually have a linux container service and the conflict/confusion is likely imagined or b) call it os_object_container to make sure it's a container in which to put objects | 21:18 |
| notmyname | mordred: your pattern will be worse for os_account. is that an auth thing or a swift thing? | 21:19 |
| mordred | account is easier - that's not a cloud consumer thing - it's a cloud admin thing | 21:19 |
| mordred | so os_swift_account works great | 21:19 |
| notmyname | I'm not seeing then how the ansible playbooks affect the end-user. ie why is it bad to have the project name? | 21:20 |
| mordred | beacuse there are more than one thing where teh project name is completely unclear | 21:21 |
| mordred | and the distinction is not helpful to the end-user - "I have an openstack cloud, I want to upload an image to it" is a great example | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | how am I as a cloud user affected by my cloud provider using ansible or anything else. much less what the ansible-specific things are named? | 21:22 |
| mordred | oh golly - no | 21:22 |
| mordred | this isn't about your cloud provider using ansible | 21:22 |
| mordred | these are modules for you, as an end user of a cloud, to use ansible to manage your resources | 21:22 |
| mordred | but - becase it's openstack and not aws or gce -there are sets of ansible users who will want to consume resources from an openstack cloud using ansible AND a set of users who will want to manage an openstack cloud installation with ansible | 21:23 |
| notmyname | to provision "stuff" for their app inside of an openstack cloud deployment (public or otherwise)? | 21:24 |
| mordred | yes | 21:24 |
| notmyname | ah ok | 21:24 |
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| mordred | thus my "I want to upload an image" example - the sequence of apis you operate to accomplish that can vary widly, even though the input parameters you have as a user with a task to perform are the same | 21:25 |
| notmyname | right | 21:25 |
| notmyname | that makes sense | 21:25 |
| notmyname | so you want a playbook for "store this image" and the playbook does the Right Thing(tm)? | 21:26 |
| mordred | yah | 21:26 |
| notmyname | please help me understand how that paradigm fits with swift | 21:26 |
| mordred | well - swift is not really a direct problem - you have clear concepts and they work the way they work (thank you, btw) | 21:26 |
| notmyname | ie you don't provision a container any more than you provision a directory with mkdir | 21:27 |
| mordred | but you might need to manage characteristics of a container separately from an object though, yeah? | 21:27 |
| mordred | actually ... that makes me think ... | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | sure. so far the filesystem paradigm still works. you can add metadata, permissions, etc | 21:28 |
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| mordred | in the filesystem modules - you actually create a directory by using the file creation module with a directory flag | 21:29 |
| notmyname | but it's different than "give me a server that I'll then interact with". | 21:29 |
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| mordred | yah. let me go look at the other things that do filesystem like constructs and see how they're designed ... there might be a whole other answer here | 21:30 |
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| mordred | notmyname: thanks! I think this was really useful | 21:31 |
| notmyname | please let me know how else I can help | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | mordred: based on what you've said, in my mind the cloud end-user should have a swift cluster available to them (or more than one). they would already have an account. all that would be in their service catalog. but their apps consume that storage. there isn't any other provisioning step | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | but perhaps, depending on where in the app lifecycle all this runs, it could actually be setting up some of that stuff (the catalog entries, maybe some initial config on the swift resources) | 21:34 |
| notmyname | but that would require some privileged execution | 21:34 |
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| mordred | notmyname: here's what I've got: https://github.com/emonty/ansible-modules-extras/pull/8 in case you're interested | 21:58 |
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| notmyname | mordred: I'm not familiar enough with ansible to really give any comment there. but you may want to include something to set the container storage policy. it can only be set at container creation | 22:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | David Shrewsbury proposed openstack-infra/shade: Fixes to object methods https://review.openstack.org/153898 | 22:21 |
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| greghaynes | jeblair: dhellmann Youall have been outed as people with sphinx-fu. I am working on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153781/ and am having a hard time figuring out how to move out conf.py into docs/source because the docs we are generating reside in <repo>/elements/*/README.rst... | 22:46 |
| greghaynes | wondering if youall have any protips for this | 22:46 |
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| mordred | notmyname: cool. will do- thanks! | 23:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Douglas Mendizábal proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Use gate doc jobs for barbicanclient https://review.openstack.org/153732 | 23:55 |
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