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| fungi | portlandites (the ones in oregon, not maine): there's a debian bug-squashing party hosted at ctrlh.org next week. that place looks neat-o | 01:17 |
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| clarkb | fungi I am about to go grocery shopping across the street | 01:19 |
| fungi | the thrill of small town life, eh? | 01:20 |
| clarkb | I wonder if the name is a nod to Backspace | 01:21 |
| fungi | that was my first (and only) thought on their name choice | 01:21 |
| fungi | unless you're on a terminal which uses ^? instead | 01:22 |
| greghaynes | fungi: yea, ctrlh is pretty cool | 01:22 |
| greghaynes | they have their door access system hooked up to an IRC bot so you can see who comes and goes :) | 01:23 |
| fungi | "back space" "hacker space" hacker starts with h... yeah, catchy | 01:23 |
| fungi | that's nifty. it's too bad their webcam streams via flash | 01:23 |
| crinkle | fungi: there used to be a hackerspace actually called Backspace in portland | 01:23 |
| fungi | oh, that's the detail i was missing! ;) | 01:25 |
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| fungi | hrm... creates prebuilt portable virtualenv tarballs from wheel files? http://platter.pocoo.org/dev/ | 01:36 |
| fungi | might be useful to someone | 01:36 |
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| jlk | fungi: huh, that's pretty new. But looks interesting | 03:44 |
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| fungi | jlk: yeah, nick c. linked it in a distutils-sig ml post earlier today | 03:45 |
| jlk | not entirely sure what the install after extracting the tarball gets you | 03:45 |
| jlk | what does it "install" and where? | 03:45 |
| jlk | I thought the point of a venv was to keep it separate from everything else | 03:45 |
| fungi | i think you just install it to an arbitrary location and use it like any virtualenv, but haven't played around with it yet | 03:46 |
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| bhunter71 | shameless plug. A friend made a similar thing they use at Bluebox for packaging openstack components: https://github.com/blueboxgroup/giftwrap . same idea. | 03:49 |
| jlk | bhunter71: lolol, I work for Blue Box :) | 03:50 |
| fungi | i thought i remembered someone mention in here either looking for or having made something like that, which is why i mentioned it | 03:51 |
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| bhunter71 | oh, man, just don't get me started on python+system packaging, or system packaging in general | 03:55 |
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| fungi | or computers | 03:56 |
| bhunter71 | lol, yep. | 03:56 |
| * fungi goes back to not computering on a saturday night | 03:56 | |
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| nibalizer | fungi: a good call | 03:58 |
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| waynr | clarkb: are you presenting on JJB sometime soon? | 05:28 |
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| clarkb | waynr on the 23rd | 05:29 |
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| waynr | and where will that be? | 05:40 |
| waynr | clarkb ^^ | 05:41 |
| waynr | nevermind, found it on calagator | 05:42 |
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| waynr | how does openstack deploy it's jjb configs? | 06:18 |
| waynr | i am imaging there is some gated zuul job | 06:18 |
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| fungi | waynr: we run a couple of checks against the configuration to make sure it compiles and that the provides all the job names our zuul config expects, and then we have a periodic config management deployment which triggers each of our jenkins masters to pull the updated configuration and apply it automatically (under ideal circumstances, within ~15-30 minutes of merging) | 14:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Lazy load plugin list https://review.openstack.org/153396 | 14:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Khai Do proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Use template to for gerritlib jobs https://review.openstack.org/156068 | 14:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Khai Do proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Use template to for gerritlib jobs https://review.openstack.org/156068 | 14:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Khai Do proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Use job templates for gerritlib builds. https://review.openstack.org/156068 | 14:54 |
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| mordred | numeric error codes are over used | 15:48 |
| mordred | Rackspace Images has a TEXT error message: "Image cannot be imported. Error code: '396'" | 15:48 |
| mordred | 396 means "Invalid Image Format" | 15:49 |
| mordred | you'd think that, since there is already a text string, a more useful thing might be: | 15:49 |
| mordred | "Image cannot be imported: Invalid Image Format. Error Code: 396" | 15:49 |
| mordred | (if the 396 is helpful to someone) | 15:49 |
| mordred | just thought I'd shade | 15:50 |
| mordred | share | 15:50 |
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| clarkb | if you do that you can't sell any ads on the error code lookup page | 15:54 |
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| jeblair | mordred: my thoughts are: Opinion code: 471 | 16:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/shade: Make image processing work for v2 https://review.openstack.org/156078 | 16:16 |
| mordred | jeblair, clarkb: ^^ please enjoy what is needed to get image metadata processing working properly | 16:16 |
| mordred | jeblair: (also, in doing that I found a place where debugging sucked a bit and fixed it for the image metadata stuff - but I need to apply it across the library) | 16:17 |
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| waynr | fungi: by "config management deployment" do you mean you have your jenkins masters puppetized (or something)? | 16:29 |
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| nibalizer | waynr: ansible fires puppet which fires jjb | 16:30 |
| waynr | gotcha | 16:31 |
| nibalizer | do we have any python tooling for parsing zuul's status.json or should I be rolling my own ? | 16:32 |
| mordred | nibalizer: well, I mnea: import json; status = json.load(open('status.json')) | 16:33 |
| mordred | nibalizer: or were you looking to not be trolled? | 16:33 |
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| nibalizer | yup | 16:34 |
| nibalizer | ok /me will carry on then | 16:35 |
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| fungi | nibalizer: zuul has a config validator for it if that's what you're looking for | 16:55 |
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| nibalizer | fungi: im working on an irc bot to chatopsify (read only) some of the common questions answered by the zuul status page | 16:58 |
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| nibalizer | so yea it'll be eat json, vomit data, maybe do a little bit of massage on the data, we'll see | 16:59 |
| nibalizer | thats what I was looking for, if someone alraedy had something that massages status.json | 16:59 |
| nibalizer | but looking at it, it doesn't look to need a whole ton of change | 16:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Wayne Warren proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Fix bug in template job yaml expansion. https://review.openstack.org/150666 | 17:04 |
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| waynr | i've just been using jenkins to deploy JJB jobs to jenkins | 17:18 |
| waynr | so within 5 minutes of merging, Jenkins runs JJB to deploy jobs | 17:20 |
| nibalizer | thats pretty meta | 17:20 |
| nibalizer | i like it | 17:20 |
| waynr | i also have the jobs that do this managed with JJB | 17:21 |
| waynr | buuut i can see the advantage of using puppet instead | 17:22 |
| waynr | someone also recently pointed me to this: https://github.com/opentable/puppet-jenkins_job_builder | 17:22 |
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| nibalizer | hrm | 17:30 |
| nibalizer | we use http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/puppet-jenkins/tree/manifests/job_builder.pp | 17:31 |
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| nibalizer | look like they describe jobs in puppetdsl whereas we just have a file tree in git | 17:32 |
| nibalizer | if im reading that righ | 17:32 |
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| yolanda | here, anyone with expertise on zuul-cloner ? i'm with an integration test and i have some doubts | 17:49 |
| anteaya | oh please don't pick up on the "I have a doubt" syntax | 17:52 |
| anteaya | just ask a question | 17:52 |
| anteaya | "I have a question" then ask | 17:52 |
| anteaya | I find the I have a doubt to be so tiresome | 17:52 |
| anteaya | since the expectation is that someone is supposed to ask you "really, what do you doubt" | 17:53 |
| anteaya | so please just ask | 17:53 |
| yolanda | but it's sunday, wanted to see if there are related people... ok... | 17:53 |
| anteaya | we all read scrollback | 17:53 |
| anteaya | even if noone with an answer is here right now | 17:53 |
| yolanda | so i have an script that uses zuul-cloner, that clones 2 projects | 17:53 |
| yolanda | i need that one clone is done for the current zuul ref being tested | 17:53 |
| yolanda | and the other clone just do it on master branch | 17:54 |
| anteaya | is your script in gerrit? | 17:54 |
| anteaya | or can you show it in a paste? | 17:54 |
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| yolanda | yep, just i type slow :) | 17:54 |
| yolanda | so i'm doing something like that: | 17:54 |
| yolanda | #!/bin/bash -xe 129 | 17:54 |
| yolanda | /usr/zuul-env/bin/zuul-cloner --cache-dir /opt/git git://git.openstack.org openstack-infra | 17:54 |
| yolanda | /usr/zuul-env/bin/zuul-cloner --cache-dir /opt/git --branch master git://git.openstack.org | 17:54 |
| yolanda | openstack-infra/storyboard | 17:54 |
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| yolanda | mm, bad paste | 17:55 |
| yolanda | /usr/zuul-env/bin/zuul-cloner --cache-dir /opt/git git://git.openstack.org openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient | 17:55 |
| yolanda | this one that clones the actual zuul ref ^ | 17:55 |
| yolanda | and this other that clones master, or master + current changes on queue, as jeblair said: | 17:56 |
| yolanda | /usr/zuul-env/bin/zuul-cloner --cache-dir /opt/git --branch master git://git.openstack.org openstack-infra/storyboard | 17:56 |
| yolanda | not sure if i'm doing that right | 17:56 |
| yolanda | i've come through documentation and samples but i'm not sure if i've understood it well | 17:56 |
| anteaya | sorry I find using paste.openstack.org better for code | 17:57 |
| anteaya | then I can see things line up | 17:57 |
| anteaya | not that I would have any intellgent answer to your question anyway | 17:57 |
| yolanda | maybe that is better: | 17:57 |
| yolanda | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156044/1/jenkins/jobs/javascript.yaml | 17:57 |
| anteaya | very much so | 17:57 |
| anteaya | well andreas left some comments | 17:58 |
| anteaya | are any of them helpful? | 17:58 |
| yolanda | no, not related... i know that the job is buggy , and he is right, but i have more doubts about the zuul-cloner stuff | 17:59 |
| anteaya | questions | 17:59 |
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| yolanda | well, i want to know if i just don't specify any branch to zuul-cloner, it will grab the current zuul-ref | 18:00 |
| anteaya | great | 18:00 |
| anteaya | yay | 18:00 |
| anteaya | the question! | 18:00 |
| yolanda | and if i specify branch=master, that will be picking master + changes in queue | 18:00 |
| anteaya | that is a good question | 18:03 |
| anteaya | yolanda: can you ask taht question in your patch on gerrit? | 18:04 |
| yolanda | sure | 18:04 |
| anteaya | then once you get the answer it will be in the comments so subsequent reviewers can access the answer | 18:04 |
| anteaya | thanks | 18:04 |
| yolanda | first time with that zuul-cloner , i think it's a very useful tool, thinking about tons of jobs that could be using that from our side | 18:04 |
| anteaya | I don't know the answer but it is a good question | 18:04 |
| * anteaya nods | 18:04 | |
| anteaya | and right now there is no other code in project-config that I can find, that could answer your question | 18:05 |
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| yolanda | yep, only have seen that for infra-config | 18:05 |
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| anteaya | this is the only other invocation of zuul-cloner: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/jenkins/jobs/infra.yaml#n121 | 18:05 |
| anteaya | yeah | 18:05 |
| yolanda | yes, jeblair pointed at that, but my use case is a bit more complex | 18:06 |
| yolanda | as it involves 2 projects | 18:06 |
| anteaya | yes, based on what you have said, I agree | 18:06 |
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| yolanda | ok, added the comments | 18:07 |
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| yolanda | Andrea's comments are useful, i'll refactor that into a template | 18:08 |
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| yolanda | so anteaya, thx for feedback, i hope that these days some useful comments are raised. And tomorrow i'll try to setup a test enviroment just as in upstream to properly test it locally, that can also solve my questions :) | 18:08 |
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| anteaya | yolanda: sounds good! | 18:09 |
| anteaya | and folks pop in and out on the weekends so check back in a few hours, someone might have posted something useful for you | 18:10 |
| yolanda | will do, thx | 18:13 |
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| waynr | nibalizer: yeah it looks like the puppet-jenkins_job_builder module actually uses JJB as a simple dumb XML generator--doesn't make use of "job-template" or "job-group", just "job" | 18:24 |
| waynr | seems very possible that module would also very quietly produce jobs with duplicate names | 18:25 |
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| anteaya | if anyone wants to learn a bit about canada's flag history (as well as filtering submissions from all submitters): http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/02/13/the-flags-we-could-have-had-a-look-at-the-forgotten-runners-up-to-canadas-beloved-maple-leaf/ | 18:26 |
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| waynr | thanks anteaya, interesting for me cause i grew up 5 miles from the canadian border ;) | 18:32 |
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| anteaya | waynr: many beavers or fleur-de-lys in your childhood drawings? | 18:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed openstack-dev/hacking: tests: allow to run the same test for different code https://review.openstack.org/152108 | 18:54 |
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| * tchorizo is going to have to look at zuul-cloner | 19:59 | |
| tchorizo | The “I have a doubt” thing is interesting | 20:00 |
| tchorizo | I’d thought it must be an Indian English thing, because I thought I’d mostly seen it from speakers of Indian English | 20:00 |
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| tchorizo | but according to http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=1802338 - " It's a direct translation of 'tengo una duda' from Spanish to English" | 20:00 |
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| anteaya | interesting | 20:02 |
| anteaya | I find it tiring | 20:03 |
| tchorizo | huh. http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/2429/can-doubt-sometimes-mean-question suggests that it’s *also* standard in Indian English. Two different derivations for the same thing! | 20:03 |
| anteaya | since it seems to mean, I have a question and I expect you to guess what it is | 20:03 |
| anteaya | and i just don't feel like guessing | 20:03 |
| tchorizo | To me it feels judgemental | 20:03 |
| anteaya | do expand | 20:04 |
| tchorizo | “I’m trying to do X and I have a question” sounds to me like a request for help | 20:04 |
| anteaya | right | 20:04 |
| anteaya | that is what I hear | 20:04 |
| tchorizo | “I’m trying to do X and I have a doubt” sounds to me like I’ve already decided that X isn’t the right thing to do | 20:04 |
| anteaya | and requires the least energy from me to get to a solution | 20:04 |
| anteaya | yes, perhaps that is in there as well | 20:04 |
| anteaya | so maybe that is what I am feeling is the excess energy expendeture | 20:05 |
| tchorizo | I love Indian English in general | 20:06 |
| tchorizo | it has some really great phrases that have dropped out of US/UK/AUS English | 20:06 |
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| tchorizo | like “do the needful" | 20:07 |
| waynr | if someone declares that they have a question and they don't actually ask the question i tend to leave them alone until the question is forthcoming | 20:07 |
| tchorizo | and some lovely neologisms, like “prepone" | 20:07 |
| waynr | if they don't ask the question, seems safe to assume they figured it out :) | 20:08 |
| anteaya | tchorizo: I really hate do the needful | 20:08 |
| anteaya | waynr: another good strategy | 20:08 |
| anteaya | tchorizo: never heard of prepone | 20:08 |
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| waynr | postpone...prepone... | 20:09 |
| anteaya | interesting | 20:09 |
| anteaya | I have to suit up to brave the cold | 20:09 |
| anteaya | later | 20:09 |
| waynr | tata | 20:09 |
| tchorizo | later :) | 20:09 |
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| jhesketh | Morning | 21:46 |
| clarkb | good morning | 21:48 |
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| anteaya | it warmed up to -20 | 22:40 |
| anteaya | not bad at all | 22:40 |
| clarkb | anteaya it was about 17-18 today | 22:42 |
| anteaya | cold there | 22:42 |
| anteaya | are you keeping your feet warm? | 22:42 |
| clarkb | no its watm | 22:42 |
| clarkb | 17 so nice | 22:42 |
| mordred | anteaya: it's -9 here | 22:44 |
| mordred | clarkb: btw - did you know you live further north than anteaya? | 22:44 |
| anteaya | mordred: F? | 22:44 |
| mordred | anteaya: C | 22:44 |
| anteaya | mordred: I was going to say | 22:44 |
| anteaya | mordred: I bet you have wind too | 22:44 |
| anteaya | not much wind here | 22:44 |
| mordred | anteaya: MUCH wind | 22:44 |
| mordred | today it kinda frigid with the wind | 22:45 |
| anteaya | yeah wind is way worse | 22:45 |
| anteaya | mordred: no kidding | 22:45 |
| mordred | anteaya: sandy and I were discussing that maybe we should sometimes just put on our ski pants | 22:45 |
| anteaya | I didn't know clarkb was further north than me | 22:45 |
| anteaya | mordred: yes | 22:45 |
| anteaya | it is the wind that gets you | 22:45 |
| mordred | anteaya: geography is fun like that | 22:45 |
| anteaya | it is | 22:45 |
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| anteaya | very little wind here, unless you are out on the lake | 22:46 |
| anteaya | so -20 is just -20 | 22:46 |
| anteaya | but -9 with wind | 22:46 |
| anteaya | you might be colder there than me | 22:46 |
| mordred | well, but then you were the crazy person that went out on a lake when it was -20 and you hopefully were desiring the windy-cold | 22:46 |
| mordred | I mean, if you want that - going out on lakes or rivers is an excellent way to achieve it | 22:47 |
| mordred | we have been deciding very specifically to NOT go walk along the river | 22:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Max Rydahl Andersen proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Remove non-existant properties from build-publisher https://review.openstack.org/156091 | 22:47 |
| anteaya | you have a point | 22:47 |
| anteaya | yes I would wear different clothing if I were heading out onto the lake | 22:48 |
| anteaya | more head to toe type stuff | 22:48 |
| mordred | anteaya: you might enjoy http://seattletimes.com/html/pacificnw/2025567375_0215northernexposurexml.html | 22:48 |
| mordred | anteaya: yah. very much | 22:48 |
| anteaya | no gaps around the waist | 22:48 |
| mordred | oh golly no | 22:48 |
| mordred | I'm pretty sure I'd wear full ski gear if I were to do that | 22:48 |
| anteaya | I wear my coveralls | 22:50 |
| anteaya | no gap in the middle | 22:50 |
| anteaya | I've never seen a caribou | 22:50 |
| anteaya | in case you were wondering | 22:50 |
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| mordred | I wasn't wondering - although now I realize that I SHOULD have been wondering | 22:51 |
| mordred | anteaya: like, never in your life? or just never when you go outside walking | 22:51 |
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| anteaya | never in my life | 22:52 |
| anteaya | pictures of caribou, yes, but then who hasn't | 22:52 |
| anteaya | also never seen a live elk in the wild | 22:53 |
| anteaya | seen hoof prints and dead ones but not live | 22:53 |
| mordred | I've seen an elk | 22:53 |
| anteaya | cool | 22:53 |
| anteaya | was the elk happy about it? | 22:53 |
| mordred | it wasn't particularly emotional one way or the other | 22:54 |
| mordred | I was in a car - it was not | 22:54 |
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| anteaya | glad it was not in the car with you | 22:54 |
| mordred | and it mostly seemed intent on continuing to not be in car - which is similar to my goal at that point of staying in the car | 22:54 |
| anteaya | I'm 45 degrees north | 22:54 |
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| anteaya | mordred: glad you both were in accord | 22:55 |
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| mordred | anteaya: portland is 45.52 | 22:55 |
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| mordred | anteaya: and seattle is 47.6 | 22:55 |
| mordred | I'm all the way down here at 40.7 myself | 22:56 |
| anteaya | so yeah clark and I are about even for northness | 22:57 |
| mordred | yup | 22:57 |
| anteaya | mordred: yes in the -9 and wind | 22:57 |
| anteaya | you can keep the wind | 22:57 |
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| mordred | anteaya: you sure you don't want it? I mean, we don't really want it ourselves, so it would be no bother | 22:57 |
| anteaya | speaking of maps did you ever notice in the states the weather maps stop in a line | 22:58 |
| anteaya | like canada not only doesn't really exist, whatever is there had no weather | 22:58 |
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| anteaya | like clouds just stop when they hit the border | 22:58 |
| anteaya | I'm sure I don't want the wind | 22:58 |
| anteaya | I like cold with no wind | 22:58 |
| anteaya | cold that makes you gasp for air that is soundless | 22:59 |
| anteaya | so when I am outside I can hear the lake make ice | 22:59 |
| anteaya | the ice cracks and continues down the lake, echoing in the no wind | 22:59 |
| anteaya | it is one of the most beautiful sounds I know | 22:59 |
| mordred | it tough to hear that with wind | 23:00 |
| anteaya | yes | 23:01 |
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| anteaya | too cold for crime | 23:01 |
| anteaya | "so you wanna break into some houses?" | 23:01 |
| anteaya | "too cold, and the car won't start" | 23:02 |
| anteaya | so much for crime | 23:02 |
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| mordred | heh | 23:02 |
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| mordred | yay! the crazypants hacks I had to do for centos do not break ubuntu so far | 23:11 |
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| anteaya | well not breaking ubuntu is a good metric | 23:15 |
| anteaya | do they actually do what you want in centos? | 23:15 |
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| mordred | not yet - but getting closer | 23:18 |
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| anteaya | ah well congratulations on successfully not breaking ubuntu then | 23:22 |
| mordred | anteaya: it's really all I can usually ask for | 23:23 |
| anteaya | and you have succeeded again, well done | 23:24 |
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| anteaya | for what it's worth, I like the winter darkness | 23:25 |
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