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| clarkb | I cut concurrency from 8 to 4 and tests only took 60% longer | 00:01 |
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| clarkb | so we likely are running into some cpu contention | 00:02 |
| clarkb | jeblair: is it not also related to taking the derivative of a derviative? your axis change | 00:03 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: i feel like this approach is like telling the user what they want is wrong. what i wanted to see was this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226114/4..5/nodepool/tests/test_nodepool.py | 00:06 |
| clarkb | I get that, but we aren't directly diffing them so get a different result | 00:06 |
| jeblair | clarkb: sorry, meant https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226114/3..5/nodepool/nodedb.py | 00:06 |
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| clarkb | those results can be made to determine the same information about the changes though | 00:07 |
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| clarkb | interdiff between 3 and 5 would be + old code added | + new code added | 00:08 |
| clarkb | you still see the change | 00:08 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: sometimes the user really is wrong? :) | 00:08 |
| clarkb | no I am not suggesting the user is wrong | 00:09 |
| clarkb | I am saying what the user wnats is really difficult there is an alternative that we can provide that remains correct and functional | 00:09 |
| jeblair | (it's okay, sometimes they are!) | 00:09 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: right, i agree -- i think this is very difficult to do correctly. personally, i'm trying to make it easier to review changes. i'm not convinced that for me, personally, creating a new kind of first-order-derivative diff interface is the least-impact way to do that. | 00:12 |
| jeblair | clarkb: i really like to be able to see how a patchset evolves over time, particularly in response to comments | 00:12 |
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| clarkb | I don't like that the alternative is to make the submission criteria harder when enough people have difficulty with the current setup | 00:13 |
| jeblair | clarkb: so if we can't find a way to automatically factor out a rebase, then i'll probably keep making multi-patch sets. | 00:14 |
| clarkb | gerrit actively rejects pushes like the ones I make today too which is an extra layer of overhead | 00:14 |
| jeblair | clarkb: okay, so maybe we don't put it in the new user docs. :) | 00:14 |
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| jeblair | i've only ever asked people that really knew the system to do it; and most of them were working on really long-running projects where having a clean and easy to follow development history was really important. | 00:15 |
| jeblair | clarkb: this is perhaps unusual today since you took over a 5 month old patch of mine | 00:15 |
| clarkb | maybe I do the interdiff thing locally if I need to | 00:16 |
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| jeblair | what's not clear to me is what's going to happen the next time i encounter this? should i ask you to split? is it my problem? should i push the patchset myself? should i just stop reviewing patches where i have lost the development train of thought? all i know is that this is really important to me as a reviewer, and it seems like you feel it's a really onerous thing for me to ask of you as a developer. | 00:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/requirements: Updated from generate-constraints https://review.openstack.org/279926 | 00:19 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: I think that considering this is how gerrit works it is onerous | 00:19 |
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| jeblair | i've lost half a working day to the issue already (not to mention the fact that i've already spent about 2 working days trying to come up with a solution to this on my own and failing). | 00:19 |
| clarkb | jeblair: you can review the base..current easily enough | 00:19 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: did you see the base..current for what you uploaded? | 00:20 |
| clarkb | jeblair: which is the other alternative | 00:20 |
| jeblair | clarkb: it had 5 months of development history in there | 00:20 |
| clarkb | jeblair: no it didn't that was ps1..current | 00:20 |
| clarkb | base is HEAD^ of the current patchset | 00:20 |
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| clarkb | (gerrit calls it base) | 00:20 |
| jeblair | clarkb: wait what? | 00:21 |
| jeblair | clarkb: what are you suggesting i review? | 00:21 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: essentially git show of the patchset | 00:21 |
| clarkb | which is gerrits default | 00:21 |
| clarkb | or the interdiff | 00:21 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yeah, i can't see the difference? | 00:21 |
| clarkb | those are the two options that are reasonable | 00:21 |
| clarkb | then you use the interdiff | 00:21 |
| clarkb | or ask the person that pushed the patchset? | 00:21 |
| clarkb | I am just saying in the generally case 10 minutes of patch wrangling (or more) is more than the cost of the alternatives | 00:22 |
| jeblair | clarkb: okay, so you're drawing the line -- i'm not to expect you to separate rebase and change patchsets | 00:22 |
| jeblair | i get it | 00:22 |
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| jeblair | even if it's my own change you're pushing on top of | 00:22 |
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| mgagne | is there a way to re-run a post job in Zuul? | 00:47 |
| clarkb | mgagne: sort of :) you can reenqueue it direclty on the gearman bus | 00:47 |
| clarkb | mgagne: there is a utility to do that in zuul itself let me dig that up | 00:47 |
| * mgagne is listening | 00:47 | |
| mgagne | zuul client? | 00:47 |
| mgagne | zuul enqueue --trigger gerrit --pipeline check --project example_project --change 12345,1 ? | 00:48 |
| clarkb | mgagne: I want to say zuul client only knows about check and get | 00:48 |
| clarkb | bceause it is change oriented | 00:48 |
| mgagne | sure | 00:48 |
| jeblair | mgagne: enqueue-ref | 00:48 |
| jeblair | clarkb: ^ | 00:48 |
| jeblair | for the others | 00:48 |
| clarkb | oh it grew that feature | 00:48 |
| mgagne | cool :D | 00:48 |
| clarkb | https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/zuul/tree/tools/trigger-job.py is the thing I was htinking of which is no longer necessary I guess | 00:48 |
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| mgagne | interesting, post didn't run from gerrit but it worked manually | 00:49 |
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| mgagne | will need to investigate I guess :-/ | 00:49 |
| mgagne | thanks for the hint! | 00:50 |
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| clarkb | mgagne: maybe the ref matcher didn't match? | 00:53 |
| clarkb | in the pipeline configuration? | 00:53 |
| mgagne | I have yet to understand how to read Zuul logs and see why it didn't fire the job | 00:53 |
| mgagne | hmm | 00:53 |
| mgagne | let me check | 00:53 |
| mgagne | super simplified version: http://paste.openstack.org/show/487207/ | 00:55 |
| mgagne | ref: ^(?!refs/).*$ is the one used in infra already so I guess it's ok | 00:55 |
| mgagne | and job fired in check and gate already with similar file filters | 00:55 |
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| fungi | clarkb: trigger-job.py is still useful if you need to rerun one job without reenqueuing all jobs for that ref (for recent example, pypi-upload succeeds but announce-release fails: if you use enqueue-ref the pypi-upload will get rejected but just the announce-release can be retriggered with trigger-job.py) | 01:01 |
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| clarkb | fungi: gotcha | 01:01 |
| fungi | but in the general sense, no not so much any more | 01:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Masayuki Igawa proposed openstack-infra/subunit2sql: Add unit test for api.update_run https://review.openstack.org/277717 | 01:01 |
| mgagne | good to know | 01:01 |
| * mgagne documents all troubleshooting/workarounds | 01:02 | |
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| mgagne | from zuul/debug.log http://paste.openstack.org/show/487208/ | 01:07 |
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| mgagne | and from zuul.log: http://paste.openstack.org/show/487209/ | 01:11 |
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| mgagne | clarkb: restarted zuul just in case it didn't pick up my config, still no luck :-/ | 01:39 |
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| mgagne | could it be the "Changeish does not support dependencies" ? | 01:40 |
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| clarkb | mgagne: let me see | 01:42 |
| mgagne | because I don't get the same logs when manually triggered | 01:42 |
| mgagne | let me know if you need more logs, I merged an other change | 01:42 |
| clarkb | mgagne: no that doesn't look like it | 01:43 |
| clarkb | mgagne: that message is just telling you a code path that is null for non changes was treated as such wich is correct | 01:44 |
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| clarkb | mgagne: http://paste.openstack.org/show/487210/ is the relevant portion of the logs I htink | 01:44 |
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| mgagne | could it be the files filter not properly working in post pipeline? | 01:45 |
| mgagne | in fact, I'm not sure it's an exclusive filter or not | 01:46 |
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| mgagne | like post can't filter on filters due to the nature of the event | 01:48 |
| clarkb | oh that could be it | 01:48 |
| clarkb | let me check what the event includes | 01:48 |
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| clarkb | mgagne: https://review.openstack.org/Documentation/cmd-stream-events.html#_ref_updated is the event so I think that is the case | 01:50 |
| mgagne | oh =( | 01:50 |
| clarkb | that event is pretty barebones no file info | 01:50 |
| mgagne | ok, will test without filters | 01:50 |
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| jeblair | greghaynes: i just wanted to let you know i read your zk comments this morning and am digesting them | 01:54 |
| * mgagne read "disgusted by them" instead of "digesting them" (put popcorn away) | 01:55 | |
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| mgagne | clarkb: that was it! :D | 01:56 |
| mgagne | clarkb: post pipeline based on ref-updated event can't filter on files. | 01:56 |
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| clarkb | mgagne: ya it can only do things based on the ocntent of the event itself | 01:57 |
| mgagne | I'm fine with that I guess | 01:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/requirements: Bump python-openstackclient version to 2.1.0 https://review.openstack.org/278428 | 01:59 |
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| chenli | hello, I'm tryting to install devstack , but I get an error : http://paste.openstack.org/show/487211/ | 02:00 |
| chenli | I tried "from iso8601 import iso8601" in python by hand | 02:01 |
| chenli | it do works, | 02:01 |
| chenli | anyone know why this error happens ? | 02:01 |
| lifeless | chenli: you have a badly packaed system installed python-subunit | 02:04 |
| chenli | lifeless: o ? what that means ? | 02:04 |
| lifeless | packaged, sorry. | 02:04 |
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| chenli | lifeless: so, I should remove python-subunit ? | 02:05 |
| lifeless | worth a try | 02:06 |
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| chenli | lifeless: it works ! Thanks ! | 02:20 |
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| greghaynes | jeblair: awesome re: zk review - my hope is that would simplify the design a bit and let us break up the code too | 04:44 |
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| jhesketh | Any eyes on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281016/2 would be appreciated :-) | 04:51 |
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| jeblair | infra-root: mirror.iad is not serving requests. it looks like there were io errors on xvdb (a cinder volume) and the kernel remounted the afs cache dir read-only | 06:33 |
| jeblair | infra-root: apparently the afs client did not deal with that gracefully | 06:33 |
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| jeblair | infra-root: i will attempt to repair (or replace) the fs and reboot | 06:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/requirements: Updated from generate-constraints https://review.openstack.org/281071 | 06:35 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Normalize projects.yaml https://review.openstack.org/281073 | 06:37 |
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| jeblair | infra-root: done; i disabled apache and openafs-client; rebooted to get a clean kernel state; unmounted the fs, ran fsck, it was clean, so i remounted and restarted the services. | 06:44 |
| jeblair | once we're done with our mirror explosion, we may want to evaluate whether we can fit the afs cache on a local disk and avoid cinder on the mirror client-servers. | 06:45 |
| openstackgerrit | xiangxinyong proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add dashboard and client for Smaug https://review.openstack.org/281019 | 06:47 |
| jeblair | #status notice A problem with the mirror used for CI jobs in the rax-iad region has been corrected. Please recheck changes that recently failed jobs on nodes in rax-iad. | 06:48 |
| openstackstatus | jeblair: sending notice | 06:48 |
| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: A problem with the mirror used for CI jobs in the rax-iad region has been corrected. Please recheck changes that recently failed jobs on nodes in rax-iad. | 06:49 | |
| openstackstatus | jeblair: finished sending notice | 06:50 |
| Guest22736 | jeblair: thanks! | 06:55 |
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| stevemar | jeblair: thanks :) | 07:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Use pep8 instead of linters for steth https://review.openstack.org/278644 | 07:17 |
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| AJaeger_ | For later: https://github.com/openstack/giftwrap/ is still empty while http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/giftwrap/ has content. Could any infra-root fix the github setup, please? | 07:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joshua Hesketh proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add new job template for dsvm plugins with src https://review.openstack.org/281016 | 07:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/infra-ansible: Create and attach other required openstack resources https://review.openstack.org/280561 | 07:50 |
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| yolanda | hi AJaeger, maybe manage-projects has not run again? | 07:56 |
| yolanda | i'm going to check | 07:56 |
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| yolanda | project is created on gerrit | 07:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Remove check-deletions from openstack-manuals https://review.openstack.org/281097 | 07:58 |
| yolanda | AJaeger, i see http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/giftwrap/tree/ with content, someone has already fixed? | 07:59 |
| AJaeger_ | yolanda: or it failed setting up permissions | 07:59 |
| AJaeger_ | yolanda: only github is broken AFAIK | 07:59 |
| yolanda | ah | 07:59 |
| yolanda | maybe some replication problem, i need to check | 08:00 |
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| yolanda | AJaeger, org.eclipse.jgit.errors.TransportException: git@github.com:openstack/giftwrap.git: push not permitted | 08:09 |
| AJaeger_ | permissions? | 08:10 |
| yolanda | looks like | 08:10 |
| AJaeger_ | Seems that the setup was not complete | 08:10 |
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| yolanda | AJaeger, sorry but i'm not very familiar with github replications | 08:12 |
| yolanda | i suppose that manage-projects creates the entry in github, then gerrit replicats as a normal target? | 08:12 |
| AJaeger_ | yolanda: let's wait for others then, this is not urgent | 08:13 |
| AJaeger_ | yolanda: thanks | 08:13 |
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| yolanda | AJaeger, if i follow documentation, and i do a "sudo su gerrit2" then "ssh github.com", i get permission denied | 08:16 |
| yolanda | so i wonder what has changed recently in terms of keys | 08:17 |
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| AJaeger_ | ;( | 08:19 |
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| yolanda | going to check if i have the creds to enter into github ui | 08:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vincent Françoise proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Watcher multinode Tempest job fixup https://review.openstack.org/277923 | 08:21 |
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| AJaeger_ | another rebase just for the fun of it ^ ;( | 08:23 |
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| yolanda | AJaeger weird, i see ssh keys not touched in github since apr 2014, and last accessed today, but i cannot login into github from gerrit | 08:29 |
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| AJaeger_ | fungi was able to fix a similar problem last week - I suggest you chat with him once he's online... | 08:30 |
| yolanda | yes, i need to get that knowledge | 08:31 |
| AJaeger_ | the repo is setup fine on openstack side, so the team can use it and thus this is good to fix but not urgent to learn it the hard way ;) | 08:31 |
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| yolanda | AJaeger, i'll ping fungi later about that. I checked logs and other repos are replicating fine to github. And i finally could ssh, i needed to use git user | 08:55 |
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| yolanda | the instructions on the system-config documentation don't specify that, i'll amend that bit | 08:55 |
| rossella_s | AJaeger_, hi Andreas! | 08:56 |
| rossella_s | AJaeger_, thanks a lot for your help | 08:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/infra-manual: Add URL for Gerrit group self-management https://review.openstack.org/280823 | 09:07 |
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| AJaeger_ | rossella_s: please have a look whether that's a good basis. You can also send patches for reviewday to make it better suitable for neutron | 09:15 |
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| rossella_s | AJaeger_, thanks a lot! really...I am looking at it | 09:18 |
| AJaeger | ;) | 09:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Unblock refstack functional testing job https://review.openstack.org/280408 | 09:19 |
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| AJaeger | rossella_s: credits go to clarkb, I just asked and relayed ;) | 09:20 |
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| rossella_s | thanks to both of you then AJaeger and clarkb | 09:22 |
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| Kennan | hi infra-cores, I found some jenkins jobs always failed with following info: | 09:39 |
| Kennan | provided hosts list is empty, only localhost is available | 09:39 |
| Kennan | anyone knows that ? | 09:39 |
| Kennan | http://logs.openstack.org/44/281044/3/check/gate-functional-dsvm-magnum-api/9163b00/console.html | 09:40 |
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| AJaeger | Kennan: that is a warning. The problem is at | 10:00 |
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| AJaeger | http://logs.openstack.org/44/281044/3/check/gate-functional-dsvm-magnum-api/9163b00/console.html#_2016-02-17_08_39_05_734 | 10:00 |
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| andreaf | AJaeger: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278091/1 LGTM | 10:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joshua Hesketh proposed openstack-infra/zuul: Cache is held and managed by connections https://review.openstack.org/276395 | 10:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Joshua Hesketh proposed openstack-infra/zuul: Don't reconfigure connections on reload https://review.openstack.org/281166 | 10:05 |
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| AJaeger | andreaf: thanks. The question by ianw was IMHO whether we need gate-tempest-dsvm-test-accounts-src-tempest-lib at all? Or could we revert your change completely? The job is still experimental... | 10:07 |
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| AJaeger | andreaf: I'm fine with keeping it if it's needed | 10:08 |
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| arif-ali | hi all, how do we get the packages onto tarballs.openstack.org, we want to be able to get the salt-foumula-* added, so that these can be used for packaging | 10:18 |
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| andreaf | AJaeger: yes I need that still - there are some race conditions in the test accounts code, and I need patches on top in tempest-lib to debug that - and I can only do that with a src job | 10:21 |
| andreaf | AJaeger: I'm happy to drop the job completely once that is finished | 10:21 |
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| AJaeger | andreaf: thanks - feel free to keep it as long as you need it ;) | 10:26 |
| andreaf | AJaeger: nice, thanks | 10:26 |
| AJaeger | yolanda: so https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278091 is fine to approve - as cleanup whenever you want | 10:30 |
| yolanda | done | 10:31 |
| AJaeger | Some projects - like manila - push artefacts there as part of the post job. See gate-manila-publishimage in project-config/jenkins/jobs/manila.yaml | 10:32 |
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| AJaeger | arif-ali: But it really depends on what exactly you want to push. If it's simply a tarball, use the tarball job... | 10:32 |
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| AJaeger | arif-ali: I'm busy with other things, can't help further right now | 10:33 |
| AJaeger | thanks, yolanda | 10:33 |
| arif-ali | AJaeger, no worries, I can wait, I am about to travel, But would like to understand how we get things onto the site | 10:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Remove tempest-dsvm-test-accounts-src from lib-forward-testing https://review.openstack.org/278091 | 10:39 |
| AJaeger | arif-ali: please write up briefly the workflow you have in mind and what you need for what - and then it's easier to discuss. Right now I'm missing lots of information to help further | 10:40 |
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| BobBall | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/262661/ is failing on gate-nova-tox-functional for unrelated reasons but checking http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/ to see how bad the job is, it doesn't seem to show the gate-nova-tox-functional job at all? | 10:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ricardo Carrillo Cruz proposed openstack-infra/infra-ansible: Set validate_certs defaulting to no on all resources creation https://review.openstack.org/280697 | 11:35 |
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| DuncanT | Hi. I've got a couple of tempest scenarios for cinder (main one does plenty of exercise of the quota code) that I don't want to run on the main gate. I plan on creating a gate job with a the fake backend driver eventually to allow this to be run in gate, but for now I just want to get it up and reviewed. Is there an established way of putting in non-gate | 11:40 |
| DuncanT | tests? (pointing me at an example and saying 'do it like this one' is fine) | 11:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/infra-ansible: Set validate_certs defaulting to no on all resources creation https://review.openstack.org/280697 | 11:48 |
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| mordred | yolanda: morning! | 11:54 |
| mordred | yolanda: anything you need me to look at? | 11:54 |
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| yolanda | mordred, can you believe i was talking about you? | 11:54 |
| yolanda | i am testing infra cloud east, and i'm getting errors, of nodepool trying to query for floating ips to neutron, even if i have floating_ip_source: 'None' on oscc | 11:55 |
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| mordred | hrm | 11:56 |
| mordred | oh - yeah | 11:56 |
| mordred | yolanda: nodepool does not use shade for servers yet | 11:56 |
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| yolanda | mordred, as patches to review, i have https://review.openstack.org/266902, https://review.openstack.org/276292, https://review.openstack.org/280682, https://review.openstack.org/280720, https://review.openstack.org/280903 from my side, related to infra cloud | 11:57 |
| yolanda | mordred, is there any way to tell nodepool to don't try generate floating ips? | 11:57 |
| mordred | well - it only tries to generate floating ips if it can't figure out that your server got a public ip | 11:57 |
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| yolanda | mm, i have one of my servers with ip assigned, the other failed | 11:58 |
| mordred | yolanda: so I think there is a parameter you're missing until now about what network are it should use | 11:58 |
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| mordred | yolanda: or neutron is not configured such that the ips show up the way nodepool is expecting | 11:58 |
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| yolanda | going to show you a paste | 12:03 |
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| mordred | yolanda: oh weird | 12:04 |
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| yolanda | http://paste.openstack.org/show/487250/ | 12:04 |
| robcresswell | o/ For some reason I cant start the Horizon meeting in openstack-meeting-3 | 12:04 |
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| robcresswell | Anyone on hand to help out? | 12:04 |
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| mordred | yolanda: oh - nodepool is hardcoded to look for a network named 'Ext-Net' or 'public' | 12:04 |
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| yolanda | oh dear | 12:04 |
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| mordred | yolanda: so - if the public network in infra-cloud is not named that, we should name it that | 12:04 |
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| mordred | yolanda: I'm going to eat lunch, then look at the problem in your paste | 12:05 |
| yolanda | mordred thanks for the pointer | 12:05 |
| yolanda | mm, it's called public | 12:05 |
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| AJaeger | I see a lot of timeouts today, e.g. http://logs.openstack.org/66/281066/2/gate/gate-openstack-manuals-tox-checkniceness/c189c73/console.html#_2016-02-17_11_24_59_470 | 12:07 |
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| AJaeger | "ValueError: I/O operation on closed file" | 12:08 |
| AJaeger | "Exception: Error cloning git://git.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-manuals" | 12:08 |
| AJaeger | Has anybody an idea what's going on with git.openstack.org? | 12:09 |
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| yolanda | AJaeger, i don't know, but i can check load and logs | 12:09 |
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| pedroalvarez | We are making progress here in the StoryBoard meetup! http://i.imgur.com/FUfWS0m.jpg | 12:12 |
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| AJaeger | pedroalvarez: progress would be empty bins ;) | 12:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Paul Michali proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Cleanup of constraint based jobs for neutron-vpnaas https://review.openstack.org/280922 | 12:13 |
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| pedroalvarez | I agree :) | 12:13 |
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| AJaeger | pedroalvarez: nice cakes btw ;) | 12:14 |
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| pedroalvarez | AJaeger: they are really nice indeed, thanks SotK and Zara | 12:15 |
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| mordred | yolanda: if self.hasExtension('os-floating-ips'): | 12:17 |
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| mordred | yolanda: I think we maybe have the floating ips extension enabled in the infra cloud | 12:17 |
| yolanda | looks like | 12:17 |
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| yolanda | good catch | 12:17 |
| mordred | yolanda: let's see about turning it off | 12:17 |
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| yolanda | it's picking defaults from puppet so we need to set extra config there | 12:18 |
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| mordred | yolanda: nod | 12:18 |
| mordred | yolanda: you have a puppet change that changes the name of a neutron subnet resource | 12:19 |
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| yolanda | mordred, the one to parameterize entries? | 12:19 |
| mordred | yolanda: should I just assume that for now you'll manually delete the old subnet? | 12:19 |
| mordred | yah | 12:19 |
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| AJaeger | pc_m: I just commented on your neutron-vpnaas review - best check how sdague does it for nova for cover and releasenotes | 12:19 |
| yolanda | that's not for changing the name, is that because we are on different subnets in east/west | 12:19 |
| yolanda | so i need to send different content in east | 12:19 |
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| pc_m | AJaeger: Which one? I've got several out right now. | 12:20 |
| yolanda | i will not change anything on east, and i bet on west they will do the same. I want to do more and more fresh redeploys as soon as puppet changes are merging | 12:20 |
| mordred | yah - but it goes from being neutron_subnet {'provider-subnet-53-54-55' to provider-subnet-infracloud ... does the puppet resource name map into an openstack name? | 12:20 |
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| pc_m | AJaeger: 280926. | 12:21 |
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| AJaeger | pc_m: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280926/ | 12:21 |
| pc_m | AJaeger: Will look. | 12:21 |
| AJaeger | pc_m: yes - wanted to stress out that not all jobs have constraints enabled. Notable exceptions are releasenotes and cover | 12:21 |
| AJaeger | cover is run in post and thus not tested by you - and releasenotes failed ;) | 12:21 |
| pc_m | AJaeger: Does that mean changing project-config to not use the constraints based jobs? | 12:21 |
| yolanda | mordred, i came with that name, to go with something generic, so we can reuse for east/west, and that is not tied to subnet pools | 12:22 |
| AJaeger | pc_m: your project-config change looks fine to me. | 12:22 |
| mordred | yolanda: k. | 12:22 |
| yolanda | in east right now we only have one pool, and is on the 15.126.48.0/24 range | 12:22 |
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| yolanda | west seems to be more lucky :) | 12:22 |
| pc_m | AJaeger: thanks. WIll look at Nova. | 12:22 |
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| AJaeger | pc_m: you and sdague are pioneering right now the constraint setup without constraints ;) | 12:22 |
| pc_m | AJaeger: Yeah, I'm a sucker for abuse :) | 12:23 |
| AJaeger | pc_m: https://review.openstack.org/267096 | 12:23 |
| mordred | yolanda: also - in max-connections patch you said you are seeing errors about too many connections | 12:23 |
| yolanda | yes | 12:23 |
| sdague | AJaeger: it's not done there because the infra doesn't yet support it | 12:23 |
| mordred | yolanda: lowering the max_connections value on the mysql server will cause you to get more of those errors | 12:23 |
| pc_m | AJaeger: Thanks! Saves me some digging! | 12:23 |
| AJaeger | pc_m: you might want to include lifeless and sdague in reviews... | 12:23 |
| yolanda | mm right | 12:23 |
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| mordred | yolanda: however, I do believe that lower max connections is a good idea | 12:23 |
| AJaeger | sdague: I know | 12:23 |
| mordred | we might just also need to increase backlog, and connection_timeout | 12:24 |
| yolanda | mordred, do you know if there is a way to limit mysql requests from nova, neutron? | 12:24 |
| mordred | that will cause unused connections to get timed out | 12:24 |
| pc_m | AJaeger: Will do. I plan on doing VPN, FW, LB, and neutron-lib eventually. | 12:24 |
| yolanda | fine tuning can be tricky! | 12:24 |
| mordred | and backlog will allow mysql server to stack incoming connections in the tcp backlog without creating server threads for them while it's servicing active requests | 12:24 |
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| mordred | yolanda: I do not yet know how to tune the db pool settings in nova/neutron | 12:25 |
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| AJaeger | pc_m: neutron itself as well? | 12:25 |
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| yolanda | mordred i can update the commit message in the change for database | 12:25 |
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| mordred | yolanda: this might be one of those situations where we want to turn nodepool on, then manually muck around with some different settings choices on mysql until we find some that we like | 12:25 |
| yolanda | i'm looking now at how to disable the floating ip extension | 12:25 |
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| mordred | cool | 12:26 |
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| yolanda | ah yes, i have setup a nodepool server on rax for testing | 12:26 |
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| mordred | neat | 12:26 |
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| mordred | maybe a little later I can work with you on poking at some of those mysql settings | 12:26 |
| yolanda | it will be nice | 12:26 |
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| yolanda | for the amount of computes we have, we need to start looking at HA | 12:26 |
| mordred | yah | 12:27 |
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| yolanda | 90 computes with a single controller, that has rabbit, mysql, in it... doesn't sound good | 12:27 |
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| mordred | heh | 12:27 |
| mordred | well - I think we decided to not do HA laregly because if the controller goes down for a few minutes, it's not that big of a deal for nodepool | 12:27 |
| mordred | we're HA because we have multiple clouds | 12:27 |
| yolanda | yes but with the amount of computes we have, we need to redistribute the load, or we won't be able to use the max power of it | 12:28 |
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| mordred | ah - that's a little different of a concern | 12:32 |
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| mordred | that's about scaling rather than HA - I think SpamapS actually has some tests he's been doing where he's been able to get to a 1000 nodes on a single mysql/rabbit controller - but I'd need to check with him on numbers | 12:33 |
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| mordred | yolanda: I'm pretty sure we can get the mysql and rabbit to handle the load for 90 ... although I'm often wrong :) | 12:33 |
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| yolanda | well the server is quite powerful | 12:34 |
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| mordred | yah | 12:35 |
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| mordred | it's not small :) | 12:35 |
| mordred | also- HA mode of rabbit actually reduces performance | 12:35 |
| openstackgerrit | fumihiko kakuma proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Remove python-constraints-jobs from ofagent job definition https://review.openstack.org/281240 | 12:35 |
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| rcarrillocruz | that's disturbing...so rabbit is not ready for HA? | 12:36 |
| rcarrillocruz | for prod workloads, etc | 12:36 |
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| yolanda | it should be, i did the setup for ha in rabbit years ago... | 12:36 |
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| yolanda | for openstack deployments | 12:36 |
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| mordred | it's ready - it works - it's just slower | 12:38 |
| mordred | like, for clouds that aren't infra cloud it's probably worth the tradeoff | 12:38 |
| mordred | but for us, since our concern is getting as much performance as we can out of our cloud and are willing to sacrifice a little uptime for that | 12:38 |
| mordred | I think it's not worth the tradeoff | 12:38 |
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| AJaeger | pc_m, sdague: See also 281240 | 12:40 |
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| yolanda | well we will see the results based on usage, if it's worth to add HA, or isolate mysql or rabbit in some unique server.. whatever works better | 12:40 |
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| mordred | yolanda: totally agree | 12:41 |
| AJaeger | yolanda: and in Barcelano you'll give a presentation about what you learned for a high-performance testing cloud ;) | 12:41 |
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| AJaeger | So, please take notes what worked - and what failed ;) | 12:42 |
| yolanda | shall i learn something? :) | 12:42 |
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| mordred | yolanda: also, I've been thinking more and more about managing our own HA mysql cluster for infra things - so if we do that then we'll have the puppet/ansible for it | 12:42 |
| AJaeger | yolanda: if not - you can still teach us ;) | 12:42 |
| yolanda | mordred really i'm glad that this is becoming a reality. With the amount of hard we have, we can spin up a huge cloud | 12:43 |
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| yolanda | ah, an infra mysql cluster, that sounds good | 12:43 |
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| pc_m | AJaeger: speaking of cover job... do any projects use that as one of the jobs for a check queue? | 12:50 |
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| AJaeger | pc_m: yes, a few do | 12:52 |
| AJaeger | pc_m: our problem right now is that constrainsts cannot be used in *post* queue - and both releasenotes and cover is in post used as well | 12:52 |
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| pc_m | AJaeger: Would like to enable that for networking-cisco repo, say in the check queue. Would that be OK? | 12:53 |
| * pc_m this is unrelated to constraints... | 12:53 | |
| pc_m | AJaeger: goal would be to have coverage data for reviewers to examine, to help decide if testing is adequate. | 12:55 |
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| * pc_m we've got only 60% coverage in that repo. | 12:55 | |
| mordred | yolanda: yah - gerrit slowdowns at 00:00 UTC are apparently due to our mysql backups - it would be nice to do backups from a replication slave instead | 12:55 |
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| pc_m | AJaeger: Does the job just generate a report? Is there any mechanism for comparing coverage to some baseline (previous run/saved baseline/etc)? | 12:58 |
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| AJaeger | pc_m: job generates a report but I think some teams have set it up to compare against baseline - but I don't have details. | 13:00 |
| * AJaeger expects that most repos have coverage post jobs and nobody is aware of them ;( | 13:01 | |
| pc_m | AJaeger: Cool. Any idea who I could ask? | 13:01 |
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| pc_m | AJaeger: I see VPN has it in the post queue and it runs the cover target. The target is defined in networking-cisco. | 13:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dmitry Tantsur proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Switch most of ironic jobs to iPXE and remove a separate iPXE job https://review.openstack.org/281253 | 13:02 |
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| pc_m | AJaeger: If I want to add this to networking-cisco, should I add it to the experimental queue, and then later add to check queue (as non-voting?)? | 13:03 |
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| AJaeger | pc_m: I hope others can help with coverage... | 13:13 |
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| pc_m | AJaeger: Yeah, looking for recommendations on how to roll it out (experimental -> check, or just check), and whether there is a way to compare to baseline. | 13:15 |
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| yolanda | mordred, about disabling an extension, do you know best way? the only thing that worked for me is commenting policy.json, on policy.json: "os_compute_api:os-floating-ips": "", | 13:19 |
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| yolanda | i wonder if there is some rule to disable it, even if the line is present | 13:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Bogdan Dobrelya proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add docs-on-rtfd hook for fuel-noop-fixtures project https://review.openstack.org/281266 | 13:21 |
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| mordred | yolanda: I do not know enough to be useful | 13:21 |
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| yolanda | i'll ask in openstack-dev | 13:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sergey Kraynev proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Revert "Add heat lbaas specific test for v1 and v2" https://review.openstack.org/281270 | 13:28 |
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| therve | yolanda, AJaeger ^^^ The patch above fixes the heat gate | 13:30 |
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| AJaeger | therve: approved | 13:34 |
| therve | Thanks! | 13:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Clint Adams proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Set ZUUL_REF for devstack plugins list proposal periodic job https://review.openstack.org/281275 | 13:38 |
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| AJaeger | therve: once it merged wait until zuul has been reconfigured (see status.openstack.org/zuul for reconfigured line) before you recheck - or wait an hour.... | 13:38 |
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| therve | OK good to know | 13:39 |
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| DuncanT | Hi. I've got a couple of tempest scenarios for cinder (main one does plenty of exercise of the quota code) that I don't want to run on the main gate. I plan on creating a gate job with a the fake backend driver eventually to allow this to be run in gate, but for now I just want to get it up and reviewed. Is there an established way of putting in non-gate | 14:15 |
| DuncanT | tests? (an example one is fine) | 14:15 |
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| SamYaple | fungi: did you already send out the last batch of ATC stuff for Austin? Or is there another run? | 14:16 |
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| KanagarajM | AJaeger, hi, when you find time, could you please review https://review.openstack.org/280662 | 14:17 |
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| AJaeger | DuncanT: I'm a bit confused - best practice is to add a job as experimental first so that you can "check experimental", and then add as non-voting for check queue. Is that what you're looking for? | 14:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Max Lobur proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add bareon-ironic project https://review.openstack.org/281301 | 14:20 |
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| DuncanT | AJaeger: No, this is way too slow to be run on the main gate | 14:20 |
| DuncanT | AJaeger: It will eventually be run on a 'cinder-big-ops' special gate job | 14:21 |
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| DuncanT | AJaeger: But step one of that is to get a test into tempest | 14:21 |
| DuncanT | AJaeger: As far as I can tell | 14:21 |
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| DuncanT | AJaeger: How to put something in tempest that doesn't get run on the main devstack gate is my question | 14:22 |
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| DuncanT | AJaeger: Nova has a big-ops gate test, but it isn't clear to me how the big-ops tests are differentiated from normal tests | 14:24 |
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| fungi | SamYaple: i sent a batch on sunday but there will be another in early march, after feature freeze | 14:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/nodepool: Only try to delete floating ip if the server has it https://review.openstack.org/281310 | 14:37 |
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| SamYaple | fungi: awesome | 14:37 |
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| fungi | jeblair: so that cinder blip in iad was one of the planned maintenances this week rackspace had warned us about. when we discussed a few weeks ago we decided to just see how afs deals with it... apparently not well but easy enough to fix? | 14:40 |
| fungi | jeblair: worth noting, that was not the last of the impacting maintenances they had warned about for this week | 14:40 |
| fungi | so it may recur in the next day or so | 14:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/nodepool: Only try to delete floating ip if the server has it https://review.openstack.org/281310 | 14:40 |
| AJaeger | DuncanT: best work with the QA folks in that case, sorry, can't help further here | 14:41 |
| AJaeger | DuncanT: #openstack-qa | 14:41 |
| DuncanT | AJaeger: Ah ha, I didn't know that channel existed. Thanks. | 14:41 |
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| AJaeger | fungi: those timeouts we had this morning - could those be a result of the same maintenance ? | 14:43 |
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| cody-somerville | sdague: woot. Thanks for the +2 +A! :) | 14:44 |
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| sdague | cody-somerville: no prob, thanks for the docs | 14:45 |
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| fungi | AJaeger: which timeouts? i only sort of skimmed scrollback | 14:45 |
| AJaeger | I said: I see a lot of timeouts today, e.g. http://logs.openstack.org/66/281066/2/gate/gate-openstack-manuals-tox-checkniceness/c189c73/console.html#_2016-02-17_11_24_59_470 | 14:46 |
| AJaeger | Those were timeouts by zuul-cloner - and quite a few | 14:46 |
| fungi | AJaeger: quike possibly. see the cloud networks maintenances scheduled for this week at https://status.rackspace.com/ | 14:47 |
| fungi | er, quite | 14:47 |
| AJaeger | fungi: looks fine now - so let's hope that was it... | 14:47 |
| fungi | AJaeger: the cinder impact was in fact because of network maintenance, so i wouldn't be surprised if some of our systems were also just flat out unreachable in or from rackspace | 14:48 |
| AJaeger | fungi: yolanda tried to fix https://github.com/openstack/giftwrap/ - it# | 14:48 |
| AJaeger | .. it's empty and our jobs don't push there | 14:48 |
| AJaeger | openstack is setup | 14:48 |
| yolanda | ah thanks for the reminder AJaeger. fungi, so push fails there, i wonder how can this be fixed | 14:48 |
| fungi | also, we should expect more before the week is out | 14:48 |
| fungi | AJaeger: yolanda: the fix is just to add the gerrit collaboration group under settings for that repo | 14:48 |
| yolanda | oh | 14:49 |
| AJaeger | fungi: yolanda was not able to access it and needed some knowledge sharing on how to do it properly | 14:49 |
| yolanda | so that is a manual step? | 14:49 |
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| yolanda | also the instructions on system-config were a bit buggy. I could test ssh finally from review to github, but with git user, that's not documented properly | 14:50 |
| fungi | yolanda: what tends to happen is that the github api call to create the repo succeeds but then the subsequent call to add gerrit as a collaborator fails (github is lousy with intermittent api errors) and jeepyb doesn't know to try again so it has to be done manually | 14:50 |
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| yolanda | new thing learnt again... | 14:50 |
| AJaeger | fungi: yes, that rackspace maintenance could indeed be the root cause | 14:50 |
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| fungi | i have no doubt the documentation we have around github integration is lacking. many of us wish we could just get rid of it entirely | 14:50 |
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| pabelanger | morning | 14:53 |
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| AJaeger | fungi, could you put "Fix tag publishing of server projects" - https://review.openstack.org/279238 - on your review queue, please? That'S the discussion from last week about neutron publishing from tags - and the logic in that change needs carefull review. So, drink your coffee first, please ;) | 14:54 |
| AJaeger | morning, pabelanger | 14:54 |
| fungi | AJaeger: ahh, right, i read it and was mulling it over, then some things caught on fire and now i don't even recall what. thanks for the reminder! | 14:55 |
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| AJaeger | fungi: too many firedrills ;( | 14:55 |
| fungi | not drills unfortunately--actual fires | 14:55 |
| fungi | and we're the brigade | 14:55 |
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| fungi | anyway, 279238 is pulled up next in my queue so i don't forget again | 14:56 |
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| yolanda | fungi, i created https://review.openstack.org/281125 this morning, to fix the user to connect to github in documentation. What do you think if i extend it, and i reflect that bugfix for github? | 14:57 |
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| fungi | yolanda: well, those instructions were not in fact incorrect, though perhaps misleading | 14:59 |
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| yolanda | missing the git user needed to connect | 14:59 |
| fungi | you can ssh github.com to accomplish the task set forth in that section (accepting and caching github.com's ssh server key as a known_hosts entry) | 14:59 |
| fungi | don't need git@ for that | 14:59 |
| fungi | however, i'm not opposed to updating it to be less misleading. better still would be to add a section on testing authenticated git+ssh access to github (which does indeed need the git@ or -l git) | 15:00 |
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| yolanda | ok | 15:01 |
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| fungi | i was merely pointing out that the example you're modifying there is not actually for testing access to github, it's merely for getting a copy of the ssh server key from github | 15:02 |
| jroll | clarkb: jeblair: hey fyi, room 7777 on the pbx system isn't passing audio through, 7778 is working fine for us, just wanted to give you a heads up | 15:02 |
| jroll | not urgent ofc | 15:02 |
| fungi | jroll: for sip clients, or pots/pstn or both? | 15:02 |
| fungi | pabelanger: ^ heads up | 15:03 |
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| jroll | fungi: seems like both | 15:03 |
| yolanda | mm, i understand now. It was confusing to me because what i wanted is to test the ssh github connection | 15:03 |
| fungi | yolanda: completely understand, and i think it would be great to add a section on doing that (also the modification you've proposed doesn't hurt, and reduces confusion in my opinion) | 15:03 |
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| yolanda | yep, and completing that with testing ssh access + troubleshoot on replication is needed | 15:04 |
| yolanda | i'll try to find some time for it | 15:04 |
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| fungi | yolanda: thanks! that would be awesome | 15:06 |
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| pabelanger | fungi: jroll: Hmm, can't think of a reason my 1 room would not work | 15:07 |
| clarkb | jroll I wonder if someone muted the channel? is that even a thing random users can do? | 15:07 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: ^ | 15:07 |
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| jroll | clarkb: not that I can see | 15:07 |
| pabelanger | I don't think we enable admin access to conferences via dialplan | 15:07 |
| pabelanger | I can confirm | 15:07 |
| jroll | pabelanger: yeah, strange, but like I said it isn't urgent | 15:08 |
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| pabelanger | okay, in room 7777 now | 15:08 |
| pabelanger | 1 sec | 15:08 |
| jroll | pabelanger: okay, I need to go run this midcycle but I can answer during lulls :) | 15:09 |
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| fungi | jroll: thanks for the heads up, apologies for the complication, and get back to your event--best of luck! | 15:10 |
| jroll | thanks fungi :) | 15:11 |
| jroll | just a hiccup, otherwise it's been fantastic | 15:11 |
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| fungi | jroll: this may be the first non-test-related heavy use we've put it under, so i appreciate your team's willingness to take these bumps in stride | 15:12 |
| jroll | not a problem at all :) | 15:14 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: i joined 7777 | 15:14 |
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| NobodyCam | is there a way to mute all? | 15:18 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: oh, yeah, i see what you mean. fail2ban is probably a good idea. | 15:19 |
| NobodyCam | on the conf bridge? | 15:19 |
| pabelanger | yes, but you need admin access | 15:19 |
| NobodyCam | ahh ok | 15:19 |
| pabelanger | unless silence detection is out of wack for some reason | 15:20 |
| pabelanger | which is enabled on bridges | 15:20 |
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| pabelanger | jeblair: ya, will work on that today | 15:21 |
| JayF | fungi: we recently had a problem with a user putting out conference on hold and piping loud hold music into everyones' ears. We moved into another conference for now, but is there any way to ... like kick those people? or at least ID them? | 15:21 |
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| jeblair | JayF: oh, that might have been me, sorry :( | 15:22 |
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| JayF | jeblair: whoops. Hahahaha. Nice elevator music :P | 15:23 |
| jeblair | i'm gone now | 15:23 |
| JayF | It's fine, we moved to 7779 | 15:23 |
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| pabelanger | Ya, we need to enable some admin logic to allow a chair to do that | 15:24 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: maybe we should run "iptables -I openstack-INPUT 7 -s 74.208.201.251 -j REJECT" ? | 15:24 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: sure, that works for me | 15:24 |
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| * JayF <3 when people properly use iptables insert syntax with line numbers | 15:24 | |
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| pabelanger | I mean, we can kick everybody from 7777 and see what happens | 15:24 |
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| pabelanger | since you are no longer using the room | 15:24 |
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| AJaeger | fungi: yeah, you're right about drills and actual fires... | 15:25 |
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| JayF | We have reports from some users of the conf that the DID number is going to busy, before asking for a conference room or anything. I haven't tested myself as I'm on the sip. | 15:28 |
| jeblair | i'll see if we've run out of money again | 15:28 |
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| pabelanger | jeblair: did you want to run iptables? | 15:28 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: just did; looks like there's another ip too | 15:29 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: though i had to move it to position 2; i think it was getting through on the conntrack rule | 15:29 |
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| jeblair | pabelanger: there, that looks like both ips | 15:29 |
| jeblair | JayF, pabelanger, clarkb, fungi: yep, looks like we're incurring more of a toll charge than i was anticipating | 15:30 |
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| JayF | jeblair: Does that mean we should discourage use of the DID? Will it never start working again (ever = today/tomorrow)? | 15:31 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: JayF if you are no longer using 7777, I am going to lock and kick the room. | 15:31 |
| JayF | pabelanger: we're only using 7779 right now | 15:31 |
| pabelanger | see if that resets it to the default state | 15:31 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: JayF okay, if somebody wants to join 7777 | 15:34 |
| pabelanger | to do a quick test | 15:34 |
| * JayF cannot, is participating in the mid-cycle in 7779 | 15:34 | |
| jeblair | JayF: i don't think we should change things right now. i think $25/day is something the community can afford for a midcycle. :) | 15:34 |
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| JayF | jeblair: so it's fixed, then? | 15:35 |
| JayF | btw, the sound quality on this has been amazing | 15:35 |
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| JayF | jroll had birds outside his window yesterday and twice I checked to see if the chirping was coming out my window b/c of how clear the sound was | 15:35 |
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| pabelanger | JayF: jeblair Yup, 7777 is working again | 15:36 |
| pabelanger | but PSTN is down, jeblair is paying again | 15:36 |
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| pabelanger | jeblair: info on how to kick users from a conference: https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/ConfBridge#ConfBridge-ConfBridgeCLIOptions | 15:38 |
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| jeblair | JayF: phone bill is paid! pstn should work again | 15:42 |
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| jeblair | looks like there are about 5 pstn users and 22 sip users | 15:48 |
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| tykeal | I've got a nodepool that I'm bringing up with the following config extract: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/324113/55724301/ can someone give me an idea as to why my multi-node lab is only bringing up the first of the 4 nodes and connecting it up to Jenkins as if it was completely online? | 15:53 |
| tykeal | I don't even see the nodepool service trying to bring up 3 more nodes with that definition | 15:54 |
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| jeblair | tykeal: nodepool's multi-node operation will only attach one node to jenkins | 15:57 |
| tykeal | jeblair: that's fine, I expect that. But the 3 extra nodes aren't even started! | 15:57 |
| jeblair | ah ok | 15:57 |
| jeblair | tykeal: nodepool calls those 'subnodes' (with various forms of capitalization) in the debug log; does a 'grep -i subnode' there provide any clues? | 15:59 |
| jeblair | tykeal: ah! | 16:00 |
| clarkb | I think the issue is the key in yaml is subnodes not sub-nodes | 16:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Mark Vanderwiel proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add heat lbaas specific test for v1 and v2 https://review.openstack.org/281354 | 16:00 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yes that's it | 16:00 |
| jeblair | tykeal: it's 'subnodes' | 16:01 |
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| tykeal | doh, I must have misread that | 16:01 |
| tykeal | let me give it a try, and thank you! | 16:01 |
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| jeblair | do we not validate config on startup? | 16:01 |
| mordred | jeblair: I'm going to go with "no" | 16:02 |
| jeblair | mordred: good call | 16:02 |
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| tykeal | there's some amount of validation as I had a lot of issues getting to the point where I'm at now | 16:02 |
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| jeblair | tykeal: apparently 'nodepool config-validate' will validate the config file | 16:03 |
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| tykeal | huzzah! thank you clarkb and jeblair that was my mistake | 16:04 |
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| fungi | interesting we don't run nodepool config-validate on start, but maybe that's to account for the possibility of phasing in settings in the config before we upgrade to a version supporting them? | 16:07 |
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| fungi | i wonder if that should be a default behavior though, and then grow something like a --no-validate option to nodepoold for that use case | 16:08 |
| fungi | jeblair: finally got around to trying out last-seen in gertty. working great! database migration was so quick i didn't even see it | 16:09 |
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| fungi | this is crazy useful | 16:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | sebastian marcet proposed openstack-infra/openstackid: Implemented display param on authentication OIDC request https://review.openstack.org/281361 | 16:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mark Vanderwiel proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Adding integration test support for app catalog horizon plugin https://review.openstack.org/276440 | 16:13 |
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| jeblair | fungi: woo! yeah, i'm going to use it right now to look at that change dims told me to look at yesterday ;) | 16:15 |
| fungi | indeed | 16:15 |
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| dims | jeblair : yay! thanks | 16:17 |
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| fungi | also conflicts-with is working well | 16:17 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: can you look at my comment in 279299 ? | 16:18 |
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| clarkb | jeblair aiui with the 6 month retention and expiration of old data mtreinish is ready to get all the job's subunit info | 16:19 |
| jeblair | clarkb: sorry, i was getting at: only grenade jobs should have logs/old/subunit | 16:19 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: so is it useful to keep the filter to avoid a few unecessary GETs? | 16:20 |
| clarkb | oh that, hrm ya that probably makes sense | 16:20 |
| jeblair | clarkb: or just don't worry about it? | 16:20 |
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| mtreinish | clarkb: that's what I'm hoping, I don't have any first hand experience with all the data though, so it'll kinda be a trial by fire | 16:20 |
| clarkb | it is extra GETs but thosr are relatively cheap, but it is a simple thing to avoid them so probably good to do so | 16:20 |
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| mtreinish | but my gut is it should be fine :) | 16:21 |
| jeblair | mtreinish: i approved 279299 and its child; but it sounds like if you wanted to add the grenade job name filter back in, it might be useful | 16:21 |
| fungi | igorbelikov: 275329 just reminded me that we'll want to make sure http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/jenkins/data/bindep-fallback.txt is also sane for debian. did you have a change proposed to do that yet? i assume it's already getting exercised by the cache-bindep element while you're locally testing the diskimage definition in 264726 | 16:21 |
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| clarkb | mtreinish: and remove the retry true lines | 16:21 |
| jeblair | clarkb: that's done | 16:21 |
| jeblair | clarkb: (that's the child change) | 16:22 |
| jeblair | https://review.openstack.org/280924 | 16:22 |
| clarkb | oh perfect | 16:22 |
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| jeblair | ya, i approved them together on purpose :) | 16:22 |
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| mtreinish | jeblair: I can push a 3rd change to do that | 16:22 |
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| jeblair | mtreinish: cool thanks! | 16:23 |
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| Sam-I-Am | anteaya: ping | 16:24 |
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| fungi | jeblair: weird behavior... i was reviewing a project-config change and it showed me verify options too. but then after i left a code-review vote and went back into review for the same change again it only had code-review and workflow options | 16:25 |
| igorbelikov | fungi: cache-bindep element seems to work without any problems on debian, but I'll take a closer look on that, thanks for pointing it out | 16:25 |
| jeblair | fungi: it was probably synced while you were in bootstrappers, then synced again after you were removed | 16:25 |
| fungi | jeblair: also nothing in my .gertty.log to indicate it had trouble checking labels for that, so not much else to go on | 16:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Dmitriy Ukhlov proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Fixes neutron template for oslo.messaging drivers test https://review.openstack.org/281375 | 16:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/system-config: Get debian kernel headers based on architecture https://review.openstack.org/275323 | 16:26 |
| fungi | jeblair: hrm, well this was a fresh gertty session, but yeah that could be it since i guess the cache persists across restarts | 16:26 |
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| Sam-I-Am | jeblair fungi can i bother either one of you for a gate job review? | 16:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/system-config: Remove job filters and add missing paths to subunit collection https://review.openstack.org/279299 | 16:27 |
| jeblair | fungi: yes -- available code review labels are all stored with the change. usually ones permissions don't change very quickly, and it works well enough. it's not great for when we add ourselves to bootstrappers though, as anything synced during that time will have extra labels, at least until those changes are synced again. | 16:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/system-config: Remove retry-get param from subunit file collection https://review.openstack.org/280924 | 16:28 |
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| jeblair | fungi: if i'm particularly lucid at the time, sometimes i'll stop gertty if i'm elevating permissions for an extended period. | 16:29 |
| fungi | igorbelikov: awesome--let me know if you need help. i expect it's "working" on debian only because the platform tags are over-specific on some entries and so nothing is installing for those (for example liberasurecode-dev says platform:ubuntu-precise platform:ubuntu-trusty rather than just platform:dpkg) | 16:29 |
| fungi | igorbelikov: or in the ruby case, we have ruby installing only on platform:ubuntu-trusty and rubygems only on platform:rpm and platform:ubuntu-precise | 16:29 |
| fungi | jeblair: a grand idea. now i just need to hope for periods of lucidity myself | 16:29 |
| jeblair | fungi: yeah, doesn't happen often | 16:29 |
| anteaya | Sam-I-Am: at storyboard meetup can it wait until next week | 16:30 |
| anteaya | or can someone else help you? | 16:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | anteaya: just looking for a +2 on something | 16:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | but i suppose it can wait a bit longer | 16:30 |
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| anteaya | Sam-I-Am: understood, someone else will be faster | 16:31 |
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| igorbelikov | fungi: yeah, trusty/precise tags gave me the same idea. Shouldn't be much different from trusty though, so I'll see what exactly won't work with platform:dpkg and will go from there | 16:32 |
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| fungi | igorbelikov: right, could just add platform:debian anywhere you see platform:ubuntu-trusty and chances are it will mostly work (except maybe in situations where a package is only in ubuntu and not imported from debian or was packaged independently and has differing names) | 16:34 |
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| kozhukalov | guys, could you please review this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279074/ ? | 16:35 |
| mtreinish | clarkb, jeblair: the other thing is I think the subunit gearman worker needs a restart, there are some changes which landed a couple months ago which I don't think are running yet | 16:37 |
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| mtreinish | specifically this one: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/puppet-subunit2sql/commit/?id=5327cc64a87f63958fd24929bb5d2765c61f752e | 16:38 |
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| pabelanger | jeblair: regarding the zuul memory leak, are you thinking of let zuul run for another week or so before merging the open reviews / cutting a new release? | 16:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Add a job filter for old side subunit files https://review.openstack.org/281383 | 16:41 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: i think jhesketh just posted a fix to another relevant bug; so i'd like to get that in and observe it for a few weeks | 16:41 |
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| jeblair | i think we're still leaking somewhat | 16:42 |
| jeblair | http://cacti.openstack.org/cacti/graph.php?action=zoom&local_graph_id=392&rra_id=2&view_type=&graph_start=1455122484&graph_end=1455727284 looks leaky | 16:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mark Vanderwiel proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add heat lbaas specific test for v1 and v2 https://review.openstack.org/281354 | 16:43 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: Ya, I thought there was some mention last week about still leaking, but couldn't get confirmation. Either way, letting it run a few weeks is what I expected. | 16:44 |
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| SpamapS | yolanda: mordred is right. You can get to at least 1000 computes on one controller. Especially if you don't use neutron's ml2 agents. ;) | 16:44 |
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| yolanda | SpamapS good to know, i thought that the relation from controller and computes had to be smaller | 16:45 |
| mordred | SpamapS: we have one single provider network | 16:45 |
| SpamapS | yolanda: 90 computes, even with enough active users to overwhelm the 90 computes, will likely work fine with a controller on 4vcpu and 16GB. | 16:45 |
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| SpamapS | mordred: that actually doesn't matter for the ncomputes scaling | 16:46 |
| mordred | SpamapS: ah - good to know | 16:46 |
| SpamapS | mordred: each compute has an ml2 agent, and they _POUND_ on the MQ and DB | 16:46 |
| yolanda | SpamapS, i started to see some mysql errors, nova and glance api failing because of that, so we may need to tune it | 16:46 |
| mordred | SpamapS: even if doing nothing? | 16:46 |
| mordred | SOOOOOO | 16:46 |
| SpamapS | mordred: they're as chatty as nova-compute when doing nothing | 16:46 |
| AJaeger | fungi: thanks for the review. I make the tag/tags consistent and amend the change later | 16:46 |
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| mordred | yolanda, crinkle, nibalizer: don't kill me here ... | 16:47 |
| SpamapS | yolanda: should need minimal tuning. | 16:47 |
| AJaeger | Sam-I-Am: what needs reviewing? | 16:47 |
| SpamapS | yolanda: mysql especially, gets about 1/20th the load as RabbitMQ in my tests. | 16:47 |
| mordred | yolanda, crinkle, nibalizer: when we're in FtC (maybe when I show up so I can join) we should at least have a conversation about what moving to OVN for neutron plugin would look like | 16:47 |
| mordred | since it makes the ml2 agent go away | 16:48 |
| SpamapS | mordred: wait, wait, killing you is an option? | 16:48 |
| mordred | SpamapS: not for you | 16:48 |
| mordred | just htem | 16:48 |
| SpamapS | mordred: OH ok, cause I was gonna say.. | 16:48 |
| SpamapS | like I don't WANT to or anything | 16:48 |
| SpamapS | ;) | 16:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | AJaeger: you already +2'd it - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278101/ | 16:48 |
| * SpamapS would like to make it clear, nobody should kill mordred, or anybody else. :) | 16:48 | |
| SpamapS | OVN is pretty awesome | 16:49 |
| yolanda | mordred i'm fine with that, if the performance is going to be better . I don't have much expertise on cloud deployments, and specially on neutron, so i'm open to advices | 16:49 |
| pleia2 | good morning | 16:49 |
| AJaeger | Sam-I-Am: the change needs neutron liason +1 first | 16:49 |
| SpamapS | I'm still a little worried about HA for ovsdb in OVN land. | 16:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | mordred: is there an issue with the ml2 plug-in? | 16:49 |
| AJaeger | Sam-I-Am: ask dougwig, armax, or mestery to review, 278101 please | 16:49 |
| mordred | Sam-I-Am: yes. it does not perform well at scale | 16:49 |
| SpamapS | Sam-I-Am: it scales poorly with many computes. | 16:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | mordred: even without l3? | 16:49 |
| mordred | Sam-I-Am: it had the benefit until recently of being the best open source option | 16:50 |
| mordred | Sam-I-Am: yes | 16:50 |
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| AJaeger | Sam-I-Am: ah, it's by mestery - so it's naturally fine ;) Sorry for the noise.. | 16:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | AJaeger: lol | 16:50 |
| mordred | Sam-I-Am: but now that ovn exists and works, ml2 has much less positive reason for existence anymore | 16:50 |
| dougwig | AJaeger: looking | 16:50 |
| SpamapS | Sam-I-Am: there's still an agent that has to plug ports. | 16:50 |
| mordred | Sam-I-Am: I do not think it's time to suggest switching upstream default | 16:50 |
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| yolanda | SpamapS, mordred, so i'm working on a testenv with nodepool, jenkins... so we can stress the infra cloud a bit, and see what needs tuning | 16:50 |
| mordred | Sam-I-Am: because ovn is still missing some features | 16:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | mordred: well, some important bits of ovn are missing yet... at least if we want to keep the 'legacy' floating ip feature. | 16:51 |
| mordred | yup | 16:51 |
| SpamapS | Sam-I-Am: and doing that over oslo.messaging doesn't make sense at much higher than 100 computes. | 16:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | if i was me, i'd ditch fips :) | 16:51 |
| mordred | Sam-I-Am: once those features are there, I believe it will be time to start the conversation | 16:51 |
| mordred | Sam-I-Am: me too | 16:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | they're a hack, and dont work for v6 | 16:51 |
| SpamapS | yolanda: if you haven't snuggled up to Rally yet, you should. It makes such things really pleasant. | 16:51 |
| mordred | Sam-I-Am: but ovn will have them in the next 2 months | 16:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | neutron routers are just nat devices :/ | 16:51 |
| mordred | SpamapS: well, for yolanda's case, we do not need to learn what rally is telling us necessarily | 16:51 |
| AJaeger | dougwig: thanks - but I didn' realize this is by mestery | 16:51 |
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| mordred | SpamapS: we need to know specifically how the one workload of nodepool works | 16:51 |
| yolanda | what kills me is the amount of ips we have for vms, over 55 only . So we cannot grow as much as we can | 16:52 |
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| mordred | yolanda: ++ | 16:52 |
| SpamapS | mordred: actually the most useful thing Rally tells me is what time the real (not setup) testing started and stopped. | 16:52 |
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| SpamapS | mordred: I use that to query influxdb. :) | 16:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | mordred: while ovn performs better than anything else, it is rather complex for new users learning neutron... in which case there might be a case for ml2 + linux bridge agent for learning purposes. | 16:52 |
| clarkb | yolanda: over 55 only? not sure I parsed that | 16:52 |
| mordred | Sam-I-Am: totally | 16:52 |
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| SpamapS | telegraf+influxdb is really, really nice for metering controllers btw. | 16:52 |
| mordred | Sam-I-Am: I do not think we should delete it | 16:52 |
| armax | mordred: if I read you correctly, contemplating to switch ovn for ml2 would be like switching apples to oranges | 16:53 |
| mordred | SpamapS: for us, nodepool is instrumented with statsd, so we can get the comparable timings | 16:53 |
| yolanda | clarkb, that's a limit on our network in east, i hope that this will be solved when blades are moved | 16:53 |
| mordred | armax: yes, I know | 16:53 |
| armax | AJaeger: that change lgtm | 16:53 |
| Sam-I-Am | mordred: good news is we have this networking guide... and i wrote a spec to put ovn into it, but ovn isnt really 'core' yet... so its waiting patiently. meanwhile, i'm working on a reference arch and deployment scenario in the ovn repo. | 16:53 |
| SpamapS | mordred: nodepool is too polite. ;) | 16:53 |
| mordred | SpamapS: :) | 16:53 |
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| SpamapS | mordred: but for their cloud, yeah, that's really all that matters. :) | 16:53 |
| Sam-I-Am | mordred: and we'll move that stuff to the networking guide (to replace conventional ovs) when its ready | 16:53 |
| jeblair | yolanda: yeah, i hope it will be fixed when they move, 55 is not worth us doing the project at all. :( | 16:53 |
| yolanda | yep | 16:53 |
| yolanda | we asked a different range | 16:54 |
| Sam-I-Am | mordred: the key to ovn is making sure it has sufficient docs when it becomes a 'thing' | 16:54 |
| clarkb | could we he tunnel and just v6? | 16:54 |
| mordred | armax: what I'm talking about is figuring out how to tell people who want to do pure open source for the cloud AND scale that htey should start off thinking abut ovn | 16:54 |
| SpamapS | clarkb: GMTA | 16:54 |
| Sam-I-Am | so it doesnt become another neutron magic black box | 16:54 |
| SpamapS | especially for nodepool, v6 makes a ton of sense. | 16:54 |
| mordred | armax: if the open source part is not essential and they're using a vendor network solution, then the answer is potentially different | 16:54 |
| SpamapS | but I would guess v6 transit is as hard as getting a CIDR in their range. | 16:54 |
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| clarkb | SpamapS: ya it is a thibg we tell other clouds when the problem of IPs comes up | 16:55 |
| greghaynes | Just set up a HE v6 tunnel | 16:55 |
| greghaynes | :) | 16:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | mordred: not sure if you read the ovs dev list, but i posted that we should focus on 'real' L3 support instead of trying to reproduce DVR... then try to deprecate the floating ip concept | 16:55 |
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| armax | mordred: one can still do full open source with ml2, it’s a matter of how you assemble the building blocks to build cloud services | 16:55 |
| mordred | armax: sure. if you want a small cloud | 16:55 |
| armax | as for the scale part, I am hopeful ovn delivers on its promises | 16:55 |
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| Sam-I-Am | greghaynes: i've been known to drag he tunnels into rax cloud boxen for openstack testing | 16:55 |
| yolanda | clarkb, greghaynes, if that can be an option to bypass that ip limit, i'd like to hear more. I don't know about that "HE v6 tunnel" topic sorry | 16:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | what we need is clouds that provide native v6 | 16:56 |
| armax | but I’d rather get some serious mileage from ovn before making such claims | 16:56 |
| SpamapS | greghaynes: yeah good point, we can tunnel and be done. | 16:56 |
| AJaeger | yolanda: if you still have time, could you try making Sam-I-Am happy with reviewing 278101, please? | 16:56 |
| greghaynes | yolanda: thats just about it - you terminate the tunnel on one of your nodes and add a neutron network that routes via it | 16:56 |
| mordred | armax: I agree | 16:56 |
| clarkb | yolanda: using one ipv4 address you tunnel ipv6 to hurricane electric | 16:56 |
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| mordred | armax: so far in our internal testing its kicking the pants off of ml2 by a very large margin | 16:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | assign a /56 to each tenant... go! | 16:56 |
| mordred | armax: but I agree that real data is needed | 16:56 |
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| yolanda | it may be worth discussing or trying on the midcycle | 16:57 |
| mordred | armax: that's why I was saying that once it's feature complete we sohuld _start_ talking about whether it's a good default | 16:57 |
| greghaynes | Sam-I-Am: Not even assign - neutron works *great* with provider networks and SLAAC | 16:57 |
| armax | mordred: default for what? | 16:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | greghaynes: well 'assign' | 16:57 |
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| greghaynes | hah, yep | 16:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | greghaynes: in other words, get a /48 from he, not a /64 | 16:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | because trying to split a /64 is Bad and Wrong | 16:57 |
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| crinkle | yes i would like to get some usage out of infracloud and figure out where bottlenecks are before trying to optimize | 16:57 |
| armax | mordred: I am not sure the conditions under which the two platforms developed justify a switch, ever | 16:57 |
| greghaynes | Sam-I-Am: Yep. That is exactly how my little personal cloud works because I am cheap | 16:57 |
| fungi | Sam-I-Am: /48 per tenant is actually perfectly sane | 16:57 |
| yolanda | AJaeger, looking | 16:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | fungi: or that. i can only get a /48 from he, so i do /56s per tenant. | 16:58 |
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| Sam-I-Am | in a prod env, it'd be different | 16:58 |
| jeblair | clarkb, greghaynes, SpamapS, yolanda: the ipv6 he idea is cool, but let's also not bottleneck on it if we're going to get a larger range when we move. | 16:58 |
| Sam-I-Am | i hear some cloud providers are trying to do longer than /64s for tenants | 16:58 |
| fungi | Sam-I-Am: oh, well yeah of you're using he and aren't your own service provider, sure | 16:58 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm like... ??? | 16:58 |
| AJaeger | dougwig: two more for your review queue, please - not urgent: 280922 and 281240 | 16:58 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i cant imagine trying to manage longer than 64s | 16:59 |
| clarkb | jeblair: ya it is an option if we need it but not our only option | 16:59 |
| greghaynes | jeblair: Yea, I mention it because IME it 'just works' if youre already using provider networking - all you do is create a new neutron network with the correct routing/network info | 16:59 |
| mtreinish | yay, looks like we're collecting all the gate things now: http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/g/build_name/gate-cinder-python27?groupKey=build_name&resolutionKey=hour | 16:59 |
| jeblair | (doing our first ipv6-only region could be a real time sink -- a worthwhile one, but still one :) | 16:59 |
| mtreinish | dims: ^^^ | 16:59 |
| greghaynes | jeblair: ah, right, client side | 16:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | armax: one good thing about ovn is its being tested for scale/performance before getting out there :) | 16:59 |
| yolanda | let's see if we have more info about the move and the possibilities, before next week | 16:59 |
| armax | mordred: as for the internal testing you guys are conducting, I am pretty sure you know above else how tricky it is to squeeze the most out of openstack with the gazillion knobs it has :) | 16:59 |
| jeblair | greghaynes: like, the nodepool work for it should probably happen post-shade | 17:00 |
| fungi | Sam-I-Am: but yeah, in my old service provider job since ipv6 rollout was happening under my group i encoded /48 per customer per datacenter into policy (we got arin to assign us a /28 initially so planned to start with /32 per data center) | 17:00 |
| greghaynes | jeblair: Yea, I totally spaced on the fact that client side might not 'just work' | 17:00 |
| armax | Sam-I-Am: that is good to hear | 17:00 |
| clarkb | nodepool already supports it iirc | 17:00 |
| clarkb | someone else with v6 only added the support | 17:01 |
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| fungi | huawei i think? | 17:01 |
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| Sam-I-Am | fungi: cool. i worked at a service provider whose motto was if it doesnt work with v6, we dont use it... therefore, we v6'd thing a long time before anyone else. | 17:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | v6 since 2003 | 17:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | and its still not cool :/ | 17:02 |
| bauzas | do we have the meeting bot since today's netsplit ? | 17:02 |
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| clarkb | bauzas nick is 'openstack' | 17:02 |
| SpamapS | Sam-I-Am: T-Mobile US is 100% v6 now. | 17:03 |
| SpamapS | Sam-I-Am: AT&T and Verizon are also mostly v6 | 17:03 |
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| bauzas | clarkb: I can see it indeed | 17:03 |
| SpamapS | Sam-I-Am: can't have 6 billion mobile phones on v4. ;) | 17:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | SpamapS: i wonder what bone-headed things they did | 17:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | last time i was interacting with telcos and v6, they wanted to NAT everything | 17:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | and use longer than /64 | 17:03 |
| bauzas | clarkb: for some reason, the topic name for the meeting is not yet updated, neither the discusison | 17:03 |
| bauzas | #openstack-meeting-3 | 17:04 |
| clarkb | maybe it didnt identift | 17:04 |
| clarkb | *identify | 17:04 |
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| SpamapS | Sam-I-Am: IIRC, Google mucked with Android's networking stack to not request a v4 address unless an app explicitly requires it, and then systematically declared war on apps that did it. | 17:04 |
| fungi | Sam-I-Am: yep, we were providing v6 in ~2003 but unfortunately a lot of the backbone providers we were peering with still did not actually want to v6 peer with us | 17:05 |
| SpamapS | Sam-I-Am: then they just do SNAT at the towers. | 17:05 |
| clarkb | SpamapS: android v6 is broken though as I discovered recently | 17:05 |
| fungi | that was honestly the hardest part. negotiating peering | 17:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | SpamapS: interesting | 17:05 |
| clarkb | it will attempt to internet via ula | 17:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: networking-ovn: Add install job for kuryr https://review.openstack.org/278101 | 17:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | SpamapS: not sure what my iphone does... it doesnt appear to ue 6 | 17:06 |
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| SpamapS | It's inevitable in the next 10 years. People carrying a phone, a tablet, and with a car that has a hotspot.. all online all at the same time and not aware of eachother. | 17:06 |
| SpamapS | Sam-I-Am: yeah, Apple is.. spehshul | 17:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | v6 was supposed to be end-to-end | 17:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | none of this nat crap | 17:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | and then telcos happened | 17:06 |
| SpamapS | the telcos aren't nearly as big a problem as the web hosts | 17:06 |
| SpamapS | telcos are "getting it" because they have no other choice | 17:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | i find it sad that my home isp offers v6... except its just a stupid tunnel that the dsl modem terminates | 17:07 |
| fungi | SpamapS: i'm curious what 100% means in t-mobile... i have a t-mobile wap/usb nic and only seem to be able to get an ipv4 address from it | 17:07 |
| SpamapS | but anyway... v6 only region seems like a nice thing to have. ;) | 17:07 |
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| fungi | SpamapS: purchased only a couple months ago, i might add | 17:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | SpamapS: i'm sure a lot of interesting neutron things will come to light with v6 only | 17:07 |
| * mtreinish checks his phone now | 17:07 | |
| SpamapS | fungi: every phone gets a v6 address according to recent claims they made. | 17:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | or even ANY v6 testing | 17:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Ian Cordasco proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Include wsgi_scripts in generated wheels https://review.openstack.org/280270 | 17:07 |
| fungi | SpamapS: might be, but this phone-like device on their network only seems to _forward_ ipv4, so for my purposes they're still 0% ipv6 :/ | 17:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | maybe its some crazy 4-in-6 business | 17:08 |
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| zaro | morning | 17:08 |
| fungi | no dhcp6, no v6 ra/nd | 17:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | yolanda: thx | 17:08 |
| yolanda | Sam-I-Am anytime | 17:09 |
| mtreinish | looks like my tmobile phone only gets a v6 | 17:09 |
| SpamapS | it's the phones | 17:09 |
| SpamapS | apparently it's all android phones | 17:10 |
| SpamapS | that run marshmallow | 17:10 |
| SpamapS | which is like, 10 phone models ;) | 17:10 |
| mtreinish | that's my phone :) | 17:10 |
| SpamapS | yep | 17:10 |
| clarkb | just beware androind v6 isnt great | 17:12 |
| clarkb | it makes some really odd route decisions | 17:12 |
| greghaynes | clarkb: I blame your openwrt ula config ;) | 17:12 |
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| clarkb | working v6 from tmobile and wifi, working v4 from tmobile and wifi, nvermind that send all traffic out ula interface! | 17:13 |
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| greghaynes | well, ula tends to be a pretty low-latency network | 17:14 |
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| mtreinish | I don't have v6 setup on my home network, so not too much of a concern yet. One day I'll bother to set it all up | 17:15 |
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| clarkb | mtreinish: it usually mostly works but there are rough edges all over | 17:16 |
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| clarkb | like openwrt's default config being bad for android which makes poor decisions | 17:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | i find a good chunk of my traffic goes over v6 now | 17:17 |
| fungi | mtreinish: so if you configure your phone as a wireless hotspot, do clients connecting to it get ipv6 addresses? | 17:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | facebook, google, youtube, etc. | 17:17 |
| mtreinish | fungi: that's a very good, question. Let me check | 17:17 |
| fungi | mtreinish: i'm going to bet they end up on an rfc-1918 network with nat | 17:18 |
| SpamapS | My AT&T Nexus 6 is also only supporting ipv6 at the moment | 17:18 |
| clarkb | I should say openwrt + luci not sure if luci or openwrt sets that default | 17:18 |
| fungi | mtreinish: and get no ipv6 assigned at all | 17:18 |
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| mtreinish | fungi: well ifconfig shows my laptop on the phone hotspot has an rfc1918 addr for v4 but there is also a v6 addr set | 17:20 |
| fungi | non-linklocal? | 17:21 |
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| cody-somerville | mtreinish: phone hotspots typically do SNAT. | 17:22 |
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| mtreinish | fungi: dunno, I still ahven't learned how to read a v6 addr | 17:22 |
| mtreinish | fungi: http://paste.openstack.org/show/487307/ | 17:22 |
| mtreinish | but, yeah IIRC that's a link local addr | 17:22 |
| clarkb | on phone I have NAT'd v4 and proper v6 | 17:22 |
| fungi | mtreinish: yeah, that's linklocal chosen by your machine. `ip -6 ro sh` would be more telling | 17:23 |
| fungi | mtreinish: that would tell you whether you have any v6 routes at all | 17:23 |
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| fungi | you're looking for one starting with the word "default" | 17:24 |
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| fungi | so maybe `ip -6 ro sh|grep ^default` | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | fungi: just has a single line, no default: http://paste.openstack.org/show/487308/ | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | so doesn't look like it gives a proper v6 on the hotspot | 17:25 |
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| fungi | yep, that's your linklocal route for talking to other v6 addresses on the local lan | 17:25 |
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| zaro | yolanda: thanks for testing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259157/ | 17:25 |
| zaro | clarkb: ^ you interested in approving? | 17:26 |
| clarkb | jeblair at $.01/minute $25 is 41.6 call hours, that seems about right for a handful of people dialing did all day (doing maths to figure out how much we should guestimate paying on that number) | 17:26 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: yes, and when i checked we had 5 pstn users, so that means about 8 hours/day, which is what's scheduled for the midcycle | 17:27 |
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| Shrews | mtreinish: your shade download_image patch looks great, just need a little consistency with the exceptions. thanks for the patch | 17:30 |
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| fungi | jeblair: is batch reviewing in gertty supposed to be able to set label votes? wonder if maybe i'm hitting gerrit acl issues... | 17:31 |
| jeblair | fungi: yes | 17:31 |
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| fungi | i only get the option to set a message when i hit 'r' | 17:32 |
| fungi | i'll try narrowing down which projects/branches are causing this | 17:32 |
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| Shrews | fungi: fyi, do not use gitpython 1.0.2 with gertty. it causes bad things | 17:33 |
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| mtreinish | Shrews: I just used TypeError, because that's what python does if the args are wrong | 17:33 |
| mtreinish | but I can change it | 17:33 |
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| fungi | Shrews: thanks for the heads up. is there a cap/exclusion set for it in master already? | 17:33 |
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| Shrews | mtreinish: awesome, thx | 17:33 |
| Shrews | fungi: i think jeblair set one | 17:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/openstackid: Implemented display param on authentication OIDC request https://review.openstack.org/281361 | 17:34 |
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| jeblair | yeah should be | 17:34 |
| fungi | Shrews: ahh, yep. GitPython>=0.3.2.RC1,<1.0.2 | 17:34 |
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| Shrews | \o/ | 17:34 |
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| fungi | so i did not upgrade to 1.0.2 when i updated my virtualenv | 17:34 |
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| fungi | looks like i have 1.0.1 in there according to pip freeze | 17:35 |
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| jeblair | fungi: i just verified batch review and setting code review +/-1 works for me on 4 changes on openstack-dev | 17:35 |
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| fungi | jeblair: looks like it's a problem with the stable branch acl for cinder. cinder master is fine and glance stable branch changes also work | 17:36 |
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| fungi | yep, http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/gerrit/acls/openstack/cinder.config has it exclusive to cinder-stable-maint with no entries for registered users | 17:38 |
| fungi | or change owners | 17:38 |
| fungi | i'll fix | 17:38 |
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| jeblair | Clint: just so you know, i'm -1 on https://review-dev.openstack.org/5357 honestly, bordering on -2. | 17:39 |
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| fungi | keystoneclient has a similarly busted acl | 17:39 |
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| jeblair | (i'm clearly way behind on my review-dev reviewing) | 17:39 |
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| fungi | and neutronclient | 17:39 |
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| fungi | and novaclient | 17:40 |
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| jeblair | no wonder no one reviews stable branch changes :) | 17:40 |
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| Clint | jeblair: thanks | 17:41 |
| fungi | i'll just go ahead and fix any i find for now, but we should probably take a deeper dive looking for any which have exclusive overrides on code-review and workflow labels | 17:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Aliaksandr Buhayeu proposed openstack/python-jenkins: Adds possibility to retrieve all jobs from the view specified https://review.openstack.org/279750 | 17:45 |
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| mtreinish | Shrews: looking at exc.py should I use OpenStackCloudResourceNotFound if there are no images returned by the search_images() call? | 17:48 |
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| Shrews | mtreinish: yeah, that's probably the more correct one to use | 17:49 |
| Shrews | i don't think we've been very consistent with its usage | 17:51 |
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| fungi | gah, it looks like https://review.openstack.org/280439 tanked non-core revirewing for all these repos | 17:52 |
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| fungi | tonyb: ^ sorry, looks like i gave you some incomplete advice and then didn't review the change | 17:53 |
| fungi | we should only be removing that in acls which aren't setting exclusiveGroupPermissions to some other groups for those refs | 17:54 |
| fungi | anyway, i have to run for a bit. back in an hour or so to finish sorting all this out | 17:54 |
| pleia2 | hmm, is this related to the 'Registered Users' group we deleted ruring the renames last week? | 17:54 |
| jeblair | fungi: (why should we remove them even in that case (other than they aren't strictly necessary))? | 17:54 |
| jeblair | fungi: (iow, are you suggesting we remove it in those cases just for cleanup, or is there a functional reason?) | 17:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed openstack-infra/shade: Add a method to download an image from glance https://review.openstack.org/278816 | 17:55 |
| fungi | jeblair: yeah, it was meant to be cleanup, but i think someone got the idea that it was a suitable workaround for the broken groups entries i fixed yesterday | 17:55 |
| mtreinish | Shrews, SpamapS: ^^^ | 17:55 |
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| fungi | i mean, it would have worked around it, but the groups files were fixed before that change was approved | 17:55 |
| fungi | and the change was overreaching | 17:56 |
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| fungi | anyway, back in a little while | 17:56 |
| jeblair | pleia2: sounds like maybe they were trying to work around that issue? but i'm catching up -- what caused the group to be created? | 17:56 |
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| pleia2 | I think it was some automatic gerrit thing, related to the upgrade, zaro? | 17:57 |
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| Shrews | mtreinish: +2. thx | 17:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed openstack-infra/nodepool: Increase timeout to give mysql more time https://review.openstack.org/280988 | 18:00 |
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| zaro | jeblair: groups got created from subprojects adding 'Registered Users' group to their acls | 18:05 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: zaro because that group is no longer in the database so the db lookup failed causing jeepyb to treat that as a new group creation request | 18:05 |
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| zaro | jeblair: which made manage projects create a custom group called 'Registered User's instead of using the gerrit system group, 'global:Registered-Users' | 18:05 |
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| zaro | jeblair: this is the change that fixed the issue, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248126/ | 18:06 |
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| zaro | an gerrit upstream changed recently merged that prevents it from happening on gerrit as well. | 18:07 |
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| Shrews | clarkb: mysql using innodb i assume? | 18:08 |
| clarkb | Shrews: yup | 18:08 |
| Shrews | ah, yeah. drops can take time, depending on things | 18:08 |
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| clarkb | Shrews: basically occasionally we have a test timeout whating for databse drop to happen and all of my debug output doesn't really show any problems so want to test theory that sometimes 60s is just not enough | 18:08 |
| clarkb | if I get a job run that rails on the 10 minutes timeout I am not sure what we will do | 18:09 |
| clarkb | s/rails/fails/ | 18:09 |
| Shrews | clarkb: how big is the db? | 18:09 |
| zaro | fungi: reverting that change should fix it all up correct? | 18:09 |
| clarkb | Shrews: should be small, a handful of rows at most in ~4 tables | 18:09 |
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| Shrews | clarkb: eh, hrm. that should be done fairly quickly. possibly something is open, keeping a lock on the table and preventing the drop | 18:10 |
| * Shrews waves hands wildly, in mordred-esque style | 18:10 | |
| clarkb | Shrews: that is what we thought but we started dumping innodb status, processlist and open tables and nothing looks locked | 18:11 |
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| clarkb | oh good we shouldn't be restricting memory on any of our jenkins slaves now | 18:13 |
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| AJaeger | zaro: I reviewed the change again - let's revert it. The "Registered users" was only for exclusive usage, so need to be readded | 18:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Revert "Remove Registered Users from seeting -1..1 in Code-Review" https://review.openstack.org/281453 | 18:19 |
| pleia2 | zaro: good to know about the gerrit upstream change for the future | 18:19 |
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| zaro | AJaeger: wfm | 18:19 |
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| AJaeger | zaro: please double check the change... | 18:20 |
| pleia2 | AJaeger: gave my +2 to get us back to limping, but I'm confused, should this be some other group? | 18:20 |
| pleia2 | like global:Registered-Users ? | 18:20 |
| pleia2 | zaro: ^^ | 18:20 |
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| AJaeger | pleia2: check https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248126/4/jeepyb/cmd/manage_projects.py | 18:21 |
| pleia2 | AJaeger: oh ok, thanks :) | 18:21 |
| pleia2 | makes sense | 18:21 |
| zaro | pleia2: yeah, 'group Registered Users' will point to 'global:Registered-Users' after fix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248126/ | 18:22 |
| * pleia2 thumbs up | 18:22 | |
| AJaeger | pleia2: thanks for double checking! | 18:22 |
| zaro | before it was pointing to '$UUID Registered Users' UUID being the custom group id | 18:23 |
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| pleia2 | zaro: understood, thanks for explaining | 18:23 |
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| jeblair | fungi, pleia2, zaro, AJaeger: approved https://review.openstack.org/281453 | 18:25 |
| pleia2 | thanks jeblair | 18:26 |
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| zaro | AJaeger: just saw a slight nit there. otherwise looks good | 18:26 |
| jeblair | zaro: yeah, that's the cleanup fungi was suggesting (remove that group where exclusive isn't set) | 18:26 |
| jeblair | but someone can make that in a followup change | 18:27 |
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| zaro | sounds good | 18:27 |
| AJaeger | zaro: but exclusive is set there, isn't it? | 18:27 |
| fungi | jeblair: AJaeger: zaro: back now--thanks for picking that up! | 18:27 |
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| fungi | and i agree, reverting that was the best measure for now | 18:27 |
| AJaeger | zaro: you mean: Removing "refs/heads/stable/" completely? Yes, let's do that - will you provide a followup change? | 18:28 |
| zaro | AJaeger: sure, can do. | 18:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Fix tag publishing of server projects https://review.openstack.org/279238 | 18:30 |
| AJaeger | fungi, changed to use tags everywhere ^ | 18:30 |
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| fungi | right, any acls which have the same permissions granted in refs/heads/stable/* as refs/heads/* are redundant since we got rid of any exclusiveGroupPermissions for stable-maint-core in the all-projects acl | 18:30 |
| AJaeger | zaro: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281453/1/gerrit/acls/openstack/murano.config is the same | 18:31 |
| AJaeger | zaro: no, isn't - sorry | 18:31 |
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| fungi | jeblair: ooh, i can definitely see the additional gertty sync load from conflicts-with now that i have self-owned changes in nova, neutron, et cetera | 18:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/requirements: Bump PyECLib global-requirement to >= 1.2.0 https://review.openstack.org/278945 | 18:33 |
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| jeblair | fungi: yeah, things can spiral out a bit in those cases... | 18:33 |
| jeblair | by the way... | 18:33 |
| jeblair | zaro: were you working on testing gc methods for the git repos in gerrit? | 18:34 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: fungi https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273703/12 and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226114/ should both be ready for the last push to merge (they fix a couple nodepool bugs) and then I can do one more nodepool restart later today when image builds are done | 18:35 |
| clarkb | then the last thing needing a restart is oscc's update for swift stuff | 18:36 |
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| clarkb | the oscc change merged just needs a release? let me check if that has been done yet maybe we can do all in one restart | 18:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Khai Do proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Remove redundant access configuration https://review.openstack.org/281461 | 18:37 |
| zaro | AJaeger: ^ | 18:37 |
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| clarkb | not yet released. mordred were you planning on doing an oscc release soon? | 18:37 |
| fungi | clarkb: cool, i should have representative test results for various python jobs across more than a dozen of our major server and client projects later today | 18:37 |
| clarkb | fungi: woot | 18:37 |
| fungi | for stable branches as well as master | 18:37 |
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| AJaeger | thanks, zaro | 18:38 |
| fungi | the 40+ do-not-merge changes are all with topic:bindep-testing | 18:38 |
| clarkb | fungi: if those turn out happy its just a matter of checking rax uploads once oscc fix is in and flipping jobs over ya? | 18:38 |
| fungi | clarkb: yep, basically a change to edit the majority of our tox-based job templates, followed by a lengthy jjb update that will need babysitting | 18:39 |
| AJaeger | regarding nodepool: There's a change by mordred for project config: https://review.openstack.org/140840 "Add elements for Infra servers" - is that something we want to include soon? | 18:39 |
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| clarkb | AJaeger: I think that too depends on reliable rackspace uploads since te majority of our proper servers live in rax | 18:40 |
| yolanda | AJaeger, i depend on that change for infra cloud | 18:40 |
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| clarkb | the exception being infra cloud ^ | 18:40 |
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| yolanda | i include infra element to install puppet, install keys, etc | 18:40 |
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| jeblair | well that's a blast from the past. | 18:43 |
| jeblair | oh, apparently i said i was going to email the infra list with a link to the nova git repo tar, but i never did that | 18:43 |
| jeblair | or at least, i have no recollection of it | 18:43 |
| AJaeger | do we still need "refs/heads/release-*" ? I see that in murano ACL. It's redundant, isn't it? | 18:43 |
| zaro | jeblair: are you referring to doing more test in regards to this change? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265356/ | 18:44 |
| jeblair | oh, ha! i did | 18:44 |
| jeblair | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2016-January/003640.html | 18:44 |
| crinkle | yolanda: I reworked https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231757/ to try to avoid depending on that, forgot to drop the depends-on | 18:44 |
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| zaro | jeblair: ahh, i thought you were fishing for interests from others? | 18:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Colleen Murphy proposed openstack-infra/puppet-infracloud: Add bifrost manifest https://review.openstack.org/231757 | 18:46 |
| zaro | jeblair: i was waiting to see if there would be any replies. | 18:46 |
| zaro | since it looks like no replies i will give it a go and see what i find. | 18:46 |
| jeblair | zaro: thanks :) | 18:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Kaitlin Farr proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Upgrade Castellan functional gate https://review.openstack.org/281464 | 18:47 |
| clarkb | lots of ansible puppet fails due to The error was: requests.exceptions.ConnectionError: HTTPSConnectionPool(host='puppetdb.openstack.org', port=8081): Max retries exceeded with url: /v3/commands | 18:47 |
| clarkb | fungi: ^ I recall you had debuggd puppetdb recently? I wonder if our server is just too small for the load? | 18:47 |
| pleia2 | jeblair: heh, I tweeted about it too and hoped for some interest given interactions, alas https://twitter.com/pleia2/status/685574881879048192 | 18:48 |
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| fungi | clarkb: hadn't seen that one yet. issues i'd dealt with so far were corrupt report files, duplicate report keys in postgres, and the thing that turned out to be ansible-inventory switching between nova instance uuid and instance name for everything in dfw | 18:49 |
| jeblair | pleia2: yeah, lots of people have opinions though! | 18:49 |
| pleia2 | jeblair: indeed | 18:50 |
| pleia2 | moar work, fewer opinions | 18:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/nodepool: Delete building images on startup https://review.openstack.org/226114 | 18:52 |
| jeblair | clarkb, greghaynes: both aprvd | 18:52 |
| greghaynes | jeblair: \O/ | 18:53 |
| jeblair | super nitpicky comment on 27370 | 18:53 |
| jeblair | super nitpicky comment on 273703 | 18:53 |
| jeblair | self-evidently notaminusone :) | 18:53 |
| clarkb | gah merge failed | 18:53 |
| clarkb | so needs updating anyways | 18:53 |
| jeblair | oh, sorry, i guess i should have approved those in the other order :( | 18:54 |
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| clarkb | fungi: 8081 is the puppetdb java process not an apache proxy | 18:55 |
| clarkb | so that rules out any proxy funny business | 18:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Cleanup some ACLs https://review.openstack.org/281465 | 18:56 |
| AJaeger | zaro, fungi, here's another cleanup of ACLs ^ | 18:56 |
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| clarkb | greghaynes: will you be able to rebase that change? | 19:00 |
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| clarkb | the puppetdb doesn't appear to be very loaded | 19:06 |
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| AJaeger | zaro, thanks for reviewing the ACL cleanup. fungi, could you check the comments by zaro and myself - and educate me, please? change #281465 | 19:11 |
| jeblair | 281465 looks like it breaks gertty; i'm digging in | 19:11 |
| fungi | fun, i'll wait to pull that up in gertty just yet :/ | 19:12 |
| jeblair | (there's a file mode-only change in there) | 19:12 |
| AJaeger | should I pull that out as separate change? | 19:12 |
| clarkb | AJaeger: the other thing to look at is the all-projects acls which most(all) projects inherit | 19:13 |
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| jeblair | AJaeger: gertty was waiting on this, which merged, like, a year ago, so i think we can fix it now :) https://github.com/gitpython-developers/GitPython/pull/266 | 19:14 |
| AJaeger | clarkb: I checked that in a few cases but if you notice something I missed, please tell me | 19:14 |
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| AJaeger | jeblair: great | 19:14 |
| clarkb | AJaeger: the only thing I can think of is if projects want to prevent groups with +2 in all-projects from having +2 by keeping those exclusive group perms on the stable branches | 19:15 |
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| fungi | which really they shouldn't do, because that breaks, e.g., our ability to override things as project bootstrappers group | 19:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/requirements: update constraints to cliff 1.17.0 https://review.openstack.org/280853 | 19:17 |
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| AJaeger | clarkb: let me check the history of these files if there's any special commit message comment | 19:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack/gertty: Fix diff crash on perm-only changes https://review.openstack.org/281476 | 19:19 |
| jeblair | fungi: ^ | 19:19 |
| jeblair | it doesn't show you the perms, but it doesn't crash. | 19:19 |
| fungi | thanks, grabbing | 19:20 |
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| AJaeger | clarkb: I'm not seeing anything mentioned in commit messages | 19:21 |
| greghaynes | clarkb: I am currently nomsing, you can rebase or I can in a few | 19:21 |
| clarkb | greghaynes: no rush need to wait for images regardless, and I am sorting out how to oscc release | 19:22 |
| clarkb | looks like ptl or delegate can propose the openstack/releases change | 19:22 |
| clarkb | so maybe I can propose it and if mordred ACKs it we can haz release | 19:22 |
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| AJaeger | clarkb: yes, anybody can propose a release change | 19:23 |
| clarkb | AJaeger: the docs say only ptl or delegate can | 19:23 |
| clarkb | which is a process thing not a gerrit acl | 19:23 |
| clarkb | need to sort out if I need to do anything with reno first | 19:23 |
| * jeblair notes that we don't need an oscc release to start using our new clouds | 19:23 | |
| AJaeger | clarkb: agreed on the process... | 19:23 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: correct, this is to get working rackspace image uploads | 19:24 |
| jeblair | clarkb: oh, what was that change? | 19:24 |
| jeblair | if you have it handy | 19:24 |
| clarkb | jeblair: https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/os-client-config/commit/?id=dd1f03c597daf1dc422608ab8e2b0b6b78168a3f | 19:25 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: thanks! | 19:25 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: in theory that hands swiftclient enough info to reup tokens when they expire without keystone session support | 19:25 |
| clarkb | jeblair: which should fix the problem we have where auth fails after a while | 19:25 |
| AJaeger | clarkb: regarding reno: you should not need to do anything for the release, release notes should have been added already. | 19:25 |
| clarkb | AJaeger: is the expectation that when you write a change you add something to the releasenotes? | 19:26 |
| AJaeger | clarkb: but it's a good idea that releasenotes exist for all important changes and add them in if misssing | 19:26 |
| clarkb | right it doesn't look like oscc has been doing that | 19:26 |
| AJaeger | clarkb: yes, expectation is that you take care of releasenote when you make a change | 19:26 |
| AJaeger | clarkb: ;( | 19:26 |
| clarkb | AJaeger: roger, so that hasn't happened but I can probably write some | 19:26 |
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| clarkb | (that is extra change round trip though) | 19:27 |
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| jeblair | does oscc have previous release notes anywhere? i'm wondering what kind of things it would include in release notes... | 19:28 |
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| jeblair | adding/removing vendors? maybe? | 19:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Henry Gessau proposed openstack/requirements: Constrain eventlet to 0.18.2 for now https://review.openstack.org/281479 | 19:28 |
| asselin_ | hi, I'm running into a nodepool issue where launching nodes and deleting nodes is taking over 10 minutes. | 19:28 |
| clarkb | jeblair: I don't think it has anything like that outside of the git log | 19:28 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: reno was added to it before the last release but release notes haven't been added using reno from what I can tell | 19:29 |
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| asselin_ | I've added plenty of debug statements and starting to think it's a threading or database issue. | 19:29 |
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| asselin_ | Anyone have tips to further diagnose those? | 19:29 |
| clarkb | asselin_: I want to say our experience has been that is the cloud api being slow | 19:29 |
| AJaeger | clarkb: So, add a releasenote for the one change you need the release for ;) | 19:30 |
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| clarkb | asselin_: you might try listing your servers outside of nodepool and see if that takes a significant amount of time | 19:30 |
| jeblair | asselin_: can you paste some debug log lines? | 19:30 |
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| asselin_ | jeblair, e.g. http://paste.openstack.org/show/487323/ | 19:31 |
| jeblair | asselin_: can you paste a lot more lines than that? :) | 19:32 |
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| asselin_ | jeblair, sure :) | 19:32 |
| jeblair | asselin_: seeing how the providermanager is dealing with tasks would help evaluate clarkb's theory | 19:32 |
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| asselin_ | jeblair, I added a ton of debugging trying to test clarks' theory. | 19:33 |
| clarkb | AJaeger: ya reading reno docs now to see how that is done, I wonder if I should try and add a bunch more | 19:33 |
| clarkb | AJaeger: for this release at least | 19:33 |
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| asselin_ | jeblair, here's a slice http://paste.openstack.org/show/487324/ | 19:34 |
| jeblair | asselin_: what's the cpu/usage like of nodepoold ? | 19:34 |
| AJaeger | fungi, there are origin/release-0.1 branches on murano - shall I add that section back in? | 19:34 |
| asselin_ | 19564 nodepool 20 0 1356m 92m 5164 S 2 4.6 4:54.20 nodepoold | 19:34 |
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| asselin_ | PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND | 19:35 |
| asselin_ | 19564 nodepool 20 0 1356m 92m 5164 S 1 4.6 4:55.51 nodepoold | 19:35 |
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| jeblair | asselin_: i don't see the word 'task' in that log at all | 19:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sam Betts proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Make Ironic VM memory and count configurable https://review.openstack.org/281484 | 19:36 |
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| jeblair | 2016-02-17 14:55:48,037 DEBUG nodepool.ProviderManager: Manager bluebox-sjc1 running task ListFloatingIPsTask (queue: 0) | 19:37 |
| jeblair | 2016-02-17 14:55:48,332 DEBUG nodepool.ProviderManager: Manager bluebox-sjc1 ran task ListFloatingIPsTask in 0.294368028641s | 19:37 |
| asselin_ | jeblair, http://paste.openstack.org/show/487326/ | 19:37 |
| jeblair | asselin_: you should have lines like that ^ | 19:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kaitlin Farr proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Upgrade Castellan functional gate https://review.openstack.org/281464 | 19:37 |
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| asselin_ | jeblair, yeah, noticing that now....good info to consider | 19:38 |
| fungi | AJaeger: either that or find out if they want those branches deleted | 19:38 |
| AJaeger | fungi, origin/release-0.5 is the newest murano branch and last updated in May 2014 | 19:38 |
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| AJaeger | fungi: let me add it back for now... | 19:38 |
| jeblair | 2016-02-17 19:24:07,471 DEBUG nodepool.ProviderManager: Manager mpc ran task <nodepool.provider_manager.AddFloatingIPTask object at 0x7f210c52e3d0> in 43.8285300732s | 19:39 |
| jeblair | asselin_: ^ | 19:39 |
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| openstackgerrit | Colleen Murphy proposed openstack-infra/puppet-infracloud: Use SSL for rabbitmq traffic https://review.openstack.org/276375 | 19:39 |
| fungi | AJaeger: yeah, the only reason i asked was because they were using their murano-milestone group for stable branches and also for release-* branches, so that section was not redundant with refs/heads/* | 19:39 |
| fungi | where they were using murano-core instead | 19:39 |
| AJaeger | fungi: yeah | 19:40 |
| asselin_ | jeblair, yeah....need to figure out how that adds up to 10+ minutes. Will look at those in more detail. | 19:40 |
| jeblair | asselin_, clarkb: it looks like adding a floating ip can take 1.5 to 1 minute | 19:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Cleanup some ACLs https://review.openstack.org/281465 | 19:40 |
| AJaeger | fungi: updated ^ | 19:40 |
| AJaeger | thanks for review and comments! | 19:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Cleanup some ACLs https://review.openstack.org/281465 | 19:41 |
| jeblair | asselin_: i see quite a few floating ip actions thant are 20-60 seconds, and since you're spinning up >10 servers there, could feasibly add up | 19:41 |
| asselin_ | jeblair, oh...so they're sequential? | 19:41 |
| asselin_ | ok I see now | 19:41 |
| jeblair | asselin_: yes. we have found that results in marginally fewer complete public cloud outages. :) | 19:42 |
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| asselin_ | you mean nodepool takes down a cloud? | 19:42 |
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| jeblair | asselin_: more than once. | 19:42 |
| jeblair | running on my desktop at home. | 19:42 |
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| asselin_ | I guess my cloud is taking revenge | 19:43 |
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| jeblair | (and not the same provider either) | 19:43 |
| asselin_ | jeblair, is there an easy way to increase the threads to e.g. 5? | 19:43 |
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| fungi | asselin_: this is also why we have built-in tunable api call throttling per provider in nodepool | 19:45 |
| jeblair | asselin_: it may not make as much of a difference as you expect -- many of these things end up being sequential in openstack itself due to queue processing/database locks, etc. but, yes, you can approximate it by defining multiple providers in nodepool. | 19:45 |
| fungi | different clouds get angry at different rates | 19:45 |
| asselin_ | thunder | 19:46 |
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| fungi | serializing certain calls or adding in delays rather than letting nodepool request things at the rate it would really prefer has been pretty necessary | 19:46 |
| jeblair | asselin_: we had 5 hpcloud providers (but not for this reason (reason:neutron limitations)) | 19:46 |
| * asselin_ looks up tunable throttling api | 19:46 | |
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| fungi | i think it's called "rate"? | 19:46 |
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| jeblair | yes, and i think it defaults to one api call per second | 19:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Revert "Remove Registered Users from seeting -1..1 in Code-Review" https://review.openstack.org/281453 | 19:47 |
| jeblair | as soon as an api call takes longer than a second, you've already passed beyond the point at which adjusting the rate is going to help | 19:47 |
| fungi | which is a conservative default. we turn it down to a much smaller delay on most of ours | 19:47 |
| clarkb | AJaeger: https://review.openstack.org/281489 how does that look? | 19:47 |
| jeblair | fungi: indeed | 19:47 |
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| asselin_ | rate | 19:48 |
| asselin_ | In seconds. Default 1.0. | 19:48 |
| fungi | though the name of the parameter is sort of backwards. known cosmetic issue | 19:48 |
| fungi | should really be called "delay" or something | 19:48 |
| jeblair | yeah, it's inverted | 19:48 |
| fungi | because a lower value results in a higher rate and vice versa | 19:48 |
| asselin_ | rate: 0.05 | 19:48 |
| jeblair | asselin_: is that what you have it set to? | 19:48 |
| asselin_ | yes...good or bad? | 19:49 |
| fungi | so that's basically waiting 0.05 seconds between calls, or shooting for ~20 calls/second | 19:49 |
| asselin_ | (not sure who set it..just what it is now) | 19:49 |
| jeblair | asselin_: it's fine. it's basically not affecting you | 19:49 |
| fungi | that might be the puppet-nodepool or puppet-openstackci default | 19:49 |
| AJaeger | clarkb: reads fine but let's see how it renders... | 19:49 |
| jeblair | asselin_: your provider's fastest response time is 0.2 seconds, so you are already running serially as fast as possible. | 19:50 |
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| asselin_ | jeblair, the other strange issue is that it seems to have start a few days ago....maybe something changes in the cloud | 19:50 |
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| jeblair | asselin_: possibly. we've also seen cases where things get slowly (or even exponentially) worse over time as database tables fill up, etc | 19:51 |
| asselin_ | nodepool database? | 19:51 |
| jeblair | in general, i think most of the cases where we identified that were fixed in openstack, but... | 19:51 |
| jeblair | asselin_: no, openstack's database | 19:51 |
| jeblair | asselin_: are you operating this cloud? | 19:52 |
| asselin_ | jeblair, no, a different team is...will have to ask them | 19:52 |
| jeblair | asselin_: yeah, maybe they can track down why adding a floating ip can take a whole minute... | 19:52 |
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| jeblair | asselin_: maybe it's something they can see in logs, but maybe it's something where they would need to watch the database while nodepool is running | 19:53 |
| asselin_ | ok thanks will follow up with that | 19:53 |
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| clarkb | Shrews: you might be interested in https://review.openstack.org/281489 as I have tried to record one of the changes you wrote iwth mordred in the release notes | 19:55 |
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| fungi | wow, really? H104 needed to be a rule? | 19:57 |
| fungi | "H104 File contains nothing but comments" | 19:58 |
| clarkb | the license part I can kind of see, the no comments is wat | 19:59 |
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| fungi | yeah, my "test" changes basically all add a do-not-merge.py which contains just a comment line, because so many projects now don't trigger the majority of their jobs unless you modify a python file | 19:59 |
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| fungi | but it looks like if i want pep8 results i'll need to put some no-op python in there | 20:00 |
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| fungi | or i can just ignore the fact that pep8 will fail, since i need to check the logs anyway | 20:00 |
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| AJaeger | fungi: I think pep8 always runs | 20:00 |
| clarkb | # This will show hacking\assert True | 20:00 |
| fungi | AJaeger: right, but i also wanted to run unit tests | 20:01 |
| fungi | so anyway, this is working for my needs, it's just reminding me that the world is full of silly rules lawyers | 20:01 |
| AJaeger | fungi: got it | 20:01 |
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| jeblair | fungi: openstack is a rules lawyer honeypot | 20:02 |
| fungi | all my changes ended up with a -1 from jenkins, and hacking was why | 20:02 |
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| fungi | jeblair: it's a many things honeypot, for sure | 20:02 |
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| fungi | jeblair: once the gerrit acl revert is applied, how quickly should i expect gertty to reflect that? does it check permissions on sync? only when there's a new patchset? | 20:05 |
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| jeblair | fungi: on sync; you can ctrl-r it to update | 20:09 |
| jeblair | (when you're looking at a change where you suspect the perms are wrong) | 20:09 |
| fungi | jeblair: yep, just wondering if that reevaluates all permissions when it does so | 20:09 |
| fungi | sounds like yes | 20:09 |
| jeblair | yes it should | 20:09 |
| fungi | awesome--thanks! | 20:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Khai Do proposed openstack-infra/git-review: WIP: push change with a vote https://review.openstack.org/281504 | 20:09 |
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| fungi | i will admit with some embarrassment that there are times when my impatience gets the better of me and i ctrl-r changes to see if they have updates without waiting for gertty to catch up with its overall sync | 20:10 |
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| fungi | the patch a while back that made it prioritize ctrl-r on a change over background sync is really helpful for my impatience | 20:11 |
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| pleia2 | btw, the ubuntu wikis are being hit pretty hard as well by spammers via launchpad logins (just like ours), I've been tracking any launchpad-side changes they may look into, but ultimately they are using a different wiki tech than us (moinmoin vs mediawiki) so wiki-side solutions will differ | 20:13 |
| pleia2 | afaik no one is actively tackling this though | 20:14 |
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| pleia2 | the ubuntu folks have turned their wiki read-only | 20:14 |
| clarkb | pleia2: on our side jp volunteered to take a look on the mailing list, not sure where that has gotten to | 20:14 |
| pleia2 | clarkb: nods, maybe I should follow up to see | 20:15 |
| * pleia2 does so | 20:15 | |
| jeblair | fungi: me too -- also note that if you use the 'remote' feature we added to follow links from terminals, it auto-syncs that change | 20:15 |
| * nibalizer has a smallish wiki that is also under assault | 20:15 | |
| nibalizer | I don't think it has anything to do with lp logins though | 20:15 |
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| jeblair | fungi: and i think that's true for most "open this one specific change directly" actions | 20:16 |
| fungi | very cool | 20:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ian Cordasco proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Include wsgi_scripts in generated wheels https://review.openstack.org/280270 | 20:16 |
| fungi | clarkb: oh cool, that was in fact jp! for some reason i thought jimmy volunteered (he and jp may be dopplegangers, but they are still in theory separate sentient life forms) | 20:18 |
| fungi | clarkb: btw he's in here as jpmaxman | 20:18 |
| fungi | no idea if he has any channel highlight triggers | 20:19 |
| pleia2 | oh good, I'm replying on list anyway o/ jpmaxman | 20:19 |
| jpmaxman | Hi :) | 20:19 |
| fungi | i guess that answers my question! ;) | 20:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Kaitlin Farr proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Upgrade Castellan functional gate https://review.openstack.org/281464 | 20:19 |
| stevemar | question about one of the requirements jobs | 20:20 |
| stevemar | the output of the gate-requirements-pep8 job in this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281028/1 was not so helpful :) | 20:20 |
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| stevemar | "File Not Found" | 20:21 |
| jpmaxman | Sorry been meaning to follow-up on wiki. | 20:21 |
| stevemar | can't tell if it's something i did.. don't want to do yet another recheck | 20:21 |
| pleia2 | jpmaxman: thanks, feel free to reach out if you need help getting familiar with our infra | 20:22 |
| pleia2 | jpmaxman: like "I know how to fix this, help me write the patch" is ok :) | 20:22 |
| jpmaxman | Yes I will. Need to take a few and look at it. Will try to do it this afternoon. | 20:22 |
| jpmaxman | Great :) | 20:22 |
| pleia2 | wonderful | 20:22 |
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| AJaeger | stevemar: runtime of pep8 was 30mins - so that was a timeout... | 20:23 |
| AJaeger | stevemar: still, it should have a log file | 20:23 |
| stevemar | AJaeger: yeah, 30 minutes was the suspicious part :) | 20:24 |
| fungi | thanks jpmaxman! | 20:25 |
| zaro | anybody know the secret to running git-review tests? i can't seem to get it to work. | 20:25 |
| clarkb | zaro: how do they fail? | 20:25 |
| fungi | zaro: i would work backwards form the job definition, but i seem to recall it being relatively workable (i was able to test it on my workstation a little while back) | 20:26 |
| zaro | clarkb: No such file or directory: '/home/ubuntu/git-review/.gerrit/golden_site' | 20:26 |
| fungi | it should create that | 20:26 |
| clarkb | but maybe it doesn't craete it if it thinks it is already there? | 20:26 |
| clarkb | (not sure why it would think that if the file doesn't exist) | 20:27 |
| zaro | .gerrit is there but not golden_site folder | 20:27 |
| zaro | do you need to run gerrit locally? | 20:27 |
| clarkb | zaro: no, it runs gerrit locally for you | 20:28 |
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| zaro | yeah, that's what i thought. | 20:28 |
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| fungi | right, the job sets up multiple gerrits if memory serves | 20:31 |
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| fungi | and that golden site is the original state it uses for each of them before they diverge for per-test setup | 20:32 |
| fungi | i need to look back at it though... been a while | 20:32 |
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| AJaeger | fungi, could you quickly review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281465/ again, please? I removed the murano change and updated commit message only... | 20:33 |
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| zaro | clarkb, fungi : no java in my VM | 20:34 |
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| fungi | aha, that would do it | 20:35 |
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| tonyb | thorst: Yeah I basically wanted to lurk in the channel to get a feel for how you guys are going. | 20:37 |
| thorst | tonyb: awesome. Lurk away :-) | 20:37 |
| tonyb | thorst: It's very low impact :) | 20:37 |
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| sergmelikyan | I have quick questions regarding proposal bot | 20:38 |
| sergmelikyan | How often it is running? How soon you can expect update from global-requirements proposed to your project? | 20:38 |
| clarkb | sergmelikyan: updates to projects are triggered when changes that produce updates merge | 20:39 |
| fungi | assuming it's not broken | 20:39 |
| clarkb | sergmelikyan: so it is all related to the amount of changes happening to global requirements | 20:39 |
| clarkb | fungi: right | 20:39 |
| AJaeger | pabelanger: could you review a grafana change, please? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278832 | 20:39 |
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| pabelanger | AJaeger: sure | 20:39 |
| AJaeger | sergmelikyan: why do you ask? | 20:39 |
| sergmelikyan | AJaeger: I have this change-request https://review.openstack.org/278983 merged 27h ago | 20:41 |
| sergmelikyan | and we are waiting this change propagated to murano requirements - around 10 commits are blocked by this | 20:41 |
| sergmelikyan | we always can make it manually but I decided to check why we don't see commits from proposal bot | 20:42 |
| AJaeger | sergmelikyan: let's check latest run: https://jenkins.openstack.org/job/propose-requirements-updates/763/consoleFull | 20:42 |
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| AJaeger | wait, that's liberty | 20:43 |
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| clarkb | https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/murano/tree/requirements.txt#n23 looks up to date to me? | 20:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Brant Knudson proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Keystone-only uwsgi job https://review.openstack.org/264991 | 20:45 |
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| sergmelikyan | clarkb, AJaeger sorry guys | 20:45 |
| AJaeger | sergmelikyan: this merged 23 hours ago https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280860/ | 20:45 |
| sergmelikyan | :( Looks like I somehow missed that and didn't check actual requirements.txt | 20:45 |
| pabelanger | clarkb: had somebody ask the other day about multinode setup for centos7 and why we don't run one. I assume it was because nobody stepped up to maintain it? | 20:46 |
| sergmelikyan | thought that if I didn't see commits they didn't happen | 20:46 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: ya there hasnt really been a need | 20:46 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: for the work that was done either or are fine and I prefer ubuntu :) | 20:47 |
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| pabelanger | clarkb: right, that is what I suspected. | 20:47 |
| fungi | basically, for the jobs that currently run on multi-node ubuntu trusty, would any of them test something substantially different on multi-node centos 7 (beyond what's already tested on all-in-one centos 7 based jobs)? | 20:47 |
| clarkb | fungi: no | 20:47 |
| fungi | right | 20:48 |
| clarkb | the only possible difference that occurs to me is libvirt versions and live migration | 20:48 |
| fungi | so the main impetus for multi-node centos 7 would be for things which aren't testable on ubuntu | 20:48 |
| fungi | which would likely be new jobs | 20:49 |
| pabelanger | Ya, the only real stuff being asked about centos, was ensuring configuration options worked over multinode. eg: not always binding to localhost | 20:49 |
| fungi | rather than just centos 7 versions of existing jobs | 20:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Brant Knudson proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Keystone-only uwsgi job https://review.openstack.org/264991 | 20:49 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: but the same config is used on centos and ubuntu for say nova right? | 20:49 |
| pabelanger | and stuff related to more centos coverage in general | 20:49 |
| pabelanger | clarkb: correct | 20:50 |
| clarkb | right so you don't actually cover that | 20:50 |
| fungi | "more centos coverage" sounds like distro image pettiness in disguise | 20:50 |
| clarkb | or rather it is already covered | 20:50 |
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| pabelanger | this was more for testing like puppet / ansible to deploy over centos / fedora. Rather then functional / unit testing | 20:50 |
| fungi | in theory we're testing openstack, we're not testing how well ubuntu or red hat does openstack | 20:51 |
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| pabelanger | Right, the context of the conversation was could some of this be moved upstream, or continue testing midstream / downstream | 20:51 |
| fungi | but yes, for config management/orchestration frameworks which have a lot of distro-specific logic branching, i can see that being useful | 20:51 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: single node should cover that just fine? trying to understand hwree the gap is that multinode on centos would fill | 20:52 |
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| fungi | not necessarily milti-node centos being useful for that, just centos testing in general | 20:52 |
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| pabelanger | clarkb: I think it was more for complex deployments, like HA and such. I don't have all the details for the use case, it just started out with why is there not centos multi-node setup | 20:52 |
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| jungleboyj | fungi: I hear you are the person to talk to about ATC passes for the summit. | 20:53 |
| clarkb | ya for that there simply wasn't a need, we were testing that openstack could run multiple compute hosts with one also being a controller and have functioning live migration and shelve and networking | 20:54 |
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| fungi | jungleboyj: depends on what you mean by "talk to about" but i am the one who pushes the button/throws the switch on the mass mailer | 20:54 |
| clarkb | this didn't require a specific distro, we went with what we had and were comfortable with | 20:54 |
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| fungi | jungleboyj: i explicitly don't make policy decisions, grant exceptions, et cetera. for those sorts of things you want to contact summit@openstack.org | 20:55 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: at the time I think centos6 was the option not 7 too fwiw | 20:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean McGinnis proposed openstack/requirements: Update to os-brick 1.0.0 https://review.openstack.org/281523 | 20:55 |
| fungi | right, and our centos 6 based testing was driven primarily by a need for some platform with a native python 2.6 base | 20:55 |
| pabelanger | clarkb: For sure | 20:56 |
| notmyname | can I -2 the "DO NOT MERGE" patches so they aren't on my dashboard? will that negatively affect anyone? | 20:56 |
| jungleboyj | fungi: Not looking to complain. I am an ATC and have not gotten a code. Wondering if you can check if I am on the list and resend if possible. | 20:56 |
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| fungi | notmyname: i'm trying to wip them all, but we have a lot of incorrect acls, mostly for stable branches | 20:56 |
| fungi | notmyname: i'll go ahead and wip the ones which are bothering you while i work through what other projects have done to make their acls so much worse | 20:56 |
| notmyname | fungi: ah. I can do that too, I think | 20:56 |
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| AJaeger | fungi: swift uses "label-Workflow = -1..+1 group swift-stable-maint" | 20:57 |
| notmyname | fungi: do you mind if I workflow -1 those patches? | 20:57 |
| AJaeger | fungi: there're quite a few projects where WIP is disabled for change owner on stable branches ;( | 20:57 |
| fungi | notmyname: feel free. i just did a workflow -1 on the master change but i lack permissions to wip (or even abandon) my own changes on swift's stable branches | 20:58 |
| notmyname | ok | 20:58 |
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| fungi | AJaeger: yeah, i'm trying to figure out if this is something i can/should solve through our normalization script or just hack together by hand | 20:58 |
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| notmyname | fungi: done | 20:59 |
| fungi | thanks notmyname! | 20:59 |
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| crinkle | notmyname: you could add `NOT message:"DO NOT MERGE"` to your dashboard query | 21:00 |
| pc_m | AJaeger: & Infra folks... With https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280952/1 it is (now) failing the docs-constraints jobs, but when I try to look at logs it says File Not Found. Any ideas? | 21:00 |
| clarkb | so here is a question, this release of oscc will remove hpcloud and runabove which is a non backward compat change. Do we 2.0 oscc? I am leaning towards no because those clouds don't work anyways | 21:01 |
| AJaeger | pc_m: runtime is 30mins - so that's a timeout. | 21:01 |
| clarkb | eg it wasn't our backward incompatible change | 21:01 |
| AJaeger | But it should have created a log file nevertheless ;( | 21:01 |
| fungi | crinkle: yep, though ultimately i'd like to fix our stable branch acls so that change owners can be expected to wip changes like that (i was intending to do so had gerrit let me) | 21:01 |
| * clarkb goes with 1.15.0 instead of 2.0.0 | 21:02 | |
| fungi | because if i don't fix this, i'll also be unable to abandon many of these once i'm done testing with them | 21:02 |
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| AJaeger | fungi: I'd love to see that change | 21:02 |
| jungleboyj | fungi: Should I just e-mail summit@openstack.org to get help? | 21:02 |
| fungi | jungleboyj: what e-mail address(es) were you using for your gerrit account? i can check what the query shows and whether i attempted to send you one | 21:03 |
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| pc_m | AJaeger: Any suggestions as to what I should do? | 21:03 |
| AJaeger | pc_m: recheck | 21:03 |
| pc_m | AJaeger: ok. will try | 21:03 |
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| jungleboyj | fungi: jsbryant@us.ibm.com Thank you very much for looking! | 21:04 |
| AJaeger | pc_m, team: I wonder why this happens. This is the second change in hte last few hours | 21:04 |
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| fungi | jungleboyj: i tried to send one to you on january 13. let me check my list of bounces | 21:04 |
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| fungi | jungleboyj: i never got a bounce/ndr back from that address | 21:05 |
| fungi | jungleboyj: i can resend it if you want | 21:05 |
| jungleboyj | fungi: Weird. Could you please? I would appreciate it. | 21:05 |
| AJaeger | jungleboyj: did you check your spam? | 21:05 |
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| jungleboyj | AJaeger: Who would it have come from? | 21:06 |
| fungi | jungleboyj: yeah, it has a few urls in it, and is sent from a cloud provider's network, so could end up marked as spam | 21:06 |
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| clarkb | mordred: https://review.openstack.org/281526 I hav eproposed that for oscc, if you are ok with it would be good to ACK it | 21:06 |
| clarkb | mordred: makes a 1.15.0 release | 21:06 |
| AJaeger | jungleboyj: "Jeremy Stanley" | 21:06 |
| fungi | jungleboyj: sender is jeremy@openstack.org (that's the foundation e-mail address i basically don't use for anything except summit invites and vulnerability announcements) | 21:06 |
| openstackgerrit | sebastian marcet proposed openstack-infra/openstackid: Fix on display type touch https://review.openstack.org/281527 | 21:07 |
| jungleboyj | AJaeger: Nope, it if got marked SPAM it was before it got to me. | 21:07 |
| jungleboyj | AJaeger: I blame Lotus Notes. | 21:07 |
| * jungleboyj hopes you will pitty me. | 21:07 | |
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| * AJaeger hugs jungleboyj | 21:08 | |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: I pity you. | 21:08 |
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| * AJaeger waves good-bye | 21:08 | |
| jungleboyj | AJaeger: Thank you. I needed that. :-) | 21:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/subunit2sql: Add DB API method to get failure rate for jobs by run_metadata https://review.openstack.org/265507 | 21:13 |
| fungi | jungleboyj: i've sent you another copy just now | 21:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Henry Gessau proposed openstack/requirements: Constrain eventlet to less than 0.18.0 for now https://review.openstack.org/281479 | 21:14 |
| fungi | jungleboyj: let me know if you don't receive this one | 21:14 |
| jungleboyj | fungi: You rock! I just got it. Thank you so much for the help! | 21:15 |
| fungi | jungleboyj: no worries, glad it was an easy fix--i'd hate to not see you in austin! | 21:15 |
| clarkb | jamielennox: are you around yet? for credential logging (passwords/tokens) how safe is it to make logs available publicly if we remove debug logs? | 21:15 |
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| jungleboyj | fungi: I will be there. Had hotel setup but realized I needed to actually get into the summit. | 21:16 |
| fungi | hah | 21:16 |
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| jamielennox | clarkb: there shouldn't be any authentication requests logged even on debug | 21:19 |
| jamielennox | clarkb: for tokens we were SHA1-ing them and printing that | 21:20 |
| clarkb | jamielennox: and this assumes keystoneauth or also keystoneclient? | 21:20 |
| jamielennox | i would need to check we're still doing the SHA1 thing but passwords shouldn't end up in debug | 21:20 |
| jamielennox | clarkb: should be both | 21:20 |
| jamielennox | clarkb: have an example of otherwise? | 21:21 |
| clarkb | jamielennox: I don't just trying to understand if this is still a consideration | 21:21 |
| clarkb | jamielennox: good to hear that it shouldn't be | 21:21 |
| fungi | with my vmt hat on, the current recommendation is still not to trust redaction features at debug level. though truth is keystone has been better about that for longer than a lot of other services | 21:26 |
| clarkb | ya if we publish anything I think we should still publish > DEBUG | 21:27 |
| clarkb | but that does open the doors to possibly publishing logs for things like nodepool and infra cloud | 21:27 |
| fungi | and the others are catching up to the point where i'm willing to switch to treating info leaks at debug level as an actual vulnerability if the rest of the vmt agrees | 21:28 |
| jeblair | i think we decided to set up a public elk for infra-cloud | 21:28 |
| jeblair | i support just doing that and if we run into problems, fix 'em and change the keys :) | 21:28 |
| fungi | at least in the past year i think we've had at least as many sensitive information leaks in non-debug logs as we have at only debug level, which is way better than openstack used to be | 21:29 |
| fungi | at least inasmuch as what was reported | 21:29 |
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| fungi | okay, time for me to stop saying "at least" now | 21:30 |
| clarkb | https://jenkins04.openstack.org/job/gate-devstack-bashate/955/console | 21:30 |
| clarkb | more network connectivity to git.o.o problems? rax-iad intsead of ovh | 21:30 |
| fungi | clarkb: rackspace has network maintenance going on this week | 21:31 |
| fungi | so possibly related | 21:31 |
| jeblair | fungi: at least you didn't say it again | 21:39 |
| fungi | heh | 21:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/nodepool: Handle dib image deletion during periodic cleanup https://review.openstack.org/273703 | 21:42 |
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| tristanC | fungi: agreed, but probably starting at mitaka then, last time I checked, my kilo deployment still writes token in debug logs... | 21:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Spencer Krum proposed openstack-infra/zmq-event-publisher: Update links in pom.xml https://review.openstack.org/281540 | 21:46 |
| fungi | tristanC: yeah, maybe we should revisit after kilo-eol | 21:46 |
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| tristanC | but if projects agrees it's not acceptable to log token/password in debug (unless a non-default option such as "dont_hide_secrete_in_debug" is used), then yes, that sounds like a good idea! | 21:46 |
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| fungi | i'm pretty sure we've wanted to get there for a long time, it's just that for so much of openstack's history the amount of care taken for debug logging was simply not there | 21:48 |
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| fungi | to the point that we had so many known examples of it, the vmt excluded them from vulnerability criteria just to keep its workload reasonable | 21:49 |
| jeblair | yikes | 21:50 |
| fungi | sort of like the current situation with lack of ssl certificate validation in server-to-server communication | 21:50 |
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| fungi | once an overwhelming majority of server-to-server ssl/tls actually provides some mechanism to verify its not being mitm'd, we can start considering outliers as actual vulnerabilities | 21:51 |
| fungi | but for now, much like the "don't publish debug logs" recommendation, we just stick to "you need to be able to trust all the systems on your management network" line | 21:54 |
| jhesketh | Morning | 21:56 |
| clarkb | fungi: is that due to underlying python ssl not checking? | 21:56 |
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| clarkb | fungi: the whole insecure platform warning from requests | 21:56 |
| fungi | clarkb: some of it, yes | 21:56 |
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| fungi | clarkb: some is also just flat disabling validation and not providing configuration options to be able to enable it | 21:57 |
| clarkb | wow | 21:57 |
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| fungi | in part wit the excuse that python didn't provide a mechanism to solve it in the general case anyway | 21:57 |
| fungi | so the "plug in the ca you want to use to validate rest api calls between services" bit was left as a non-urgent future todo | 21:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kirill Zaitsev proposed openstack/requirements: Bump python-muranoclient to a 0.8.2 mitaka version https://review.openstack.org/281544 | 22:02 |
| fungi | and things like, your cinder driver is going to talk to your san over http to do provisioning, oh but some sites deploy this brand of san in an https-only configuration, okay well optionally let it communicate via https and maybe some day someone will solve the part where you can even make sure it's really your san and not some imposter | 22:02 |
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| fungi | (https as a protocol, not as a security measure) | 22:03 |
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| notmyname | in launchpad, which is the group that has permissions for bug triage (eg setting priority, etc). is it drivers or maintainers? | 22:04 |
| mgagne | Bug supervisor? :D | 22:05 |
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| fungi | notmyname: yeah, as mgagne says, whichever group is configured as the bug supervisor. if there isn't one, i think it falls to the project owner/maintainer | 22:06 |
| notmyname | fungi: ok, thanks | 22:06 |
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| mgagne | driver: https://help.launchpad.net/Projects/Registering#Roles_within_projects | 22:06 |
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| notmyname | and how does that list get updated, eg when the list of cores changes? is it automatic or does it need to be updated by hand? | 22:06 |
| fungi | notmyname: so for example https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift shows over in the right-hand column that "Swift Bug Team" is the supervisor | 22:07 |
| mgagne | maintainer is the fallback | 22:07 |
| mgagne | depends, for nova, it's an open team iirc | 22:07 |
| mgagne | https://launchpad.net/~nova-bugs | 22:07 |
| mgagne | for swift, it's moderated | 22:07 |
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| notmyname | actually, I'm looking at https://launchpad.net/python-swiftclient | 22:08 |
| fungi | yep, looks like no bug team is set there | 22:08 |
| mgagne | https://launchpad.net/~swift-drivers is a restricted team amd https://launchpad.net/~swift-bugs is moderated | 22:08 |
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| mgagne | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-swiftclient Bug supervisor: Swift Bug Team | 22:09 |
| fungi | d'oh. i thought i was looking at the bugs page | 22:09 |
| fungi | so tes, same swift bug team | 22:09 |
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| notmyname | where do you see that? | 22:09 |
| fungi | looks like mordred maybe created that group in 2010 and is still the only admin for it? | 22:09 |
| mgagne | just follow the links and check Membership policy | 22:09 |
| fungi | notmyname: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-swiftclient | 22:09 |
| mgagne | ^ | 22:10 |
| fungi | in the right-hand column | 22:10 |
| notmyname | I don't see a "swift bug team" anywhere | 22:10 |
| mgagne | because bugs tracking can be disabled in LP so you might not have a bug team at all | 22:10 |
| fungi | there's a link to Swift Bug Team under where it says Bug supervisor | 22:10 |
| mgagne | see right sidebar | 22:10 |
| fungi | notmyname: bugs.launchpad.net not launchpad.net | 22:10 |
| notmyname | the string "bug supervisor" isn't on that webpage (for me) | 22:11 |
| fungi | in case you missed that nuance in the url | 22:11 |
| notmyname | ah | 22:11 |
| notmyname | yeah, I did | 22:11 |
| mgagne | I checked while logged out too and it's still showing | 22:11 |
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| notmyname | ok, so that basically resolves to swift-coresec | 22:12 |
| notmyname | and how is that updated? by hand, or does it get synced from gerrit groups? | 22:12 |
| mgagne | no sync | 22:12 |
| fungi | by hand | 22:12 |
| mgagne | human hands are used | 22:12 |
| notmyname | ok, thanks | 22:12 |
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| notmyname | that's what I needed to know | 22:12 |
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| fungi | notmyname: i've switched it to you as the administrator of https://launchpad.net/~swift-bugs now too | 22:15 |
| fungi | so you can directly add/remove others from that group | 22:16 |
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| notmyname | fungi: ok, thanks | 22:16 |
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| fungi | there was no need for mordred to be the admin of that group, 6 years later ;) | 22:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Ben Nemec proposed openstack/diskimage-builder: Revert "Correct rhel-common for rhel6" https://review.openstack.org/281551 | 22:17 |
| notmyname | :-) | 22:17 |
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| zaro | clarkb: wow, git-review tests take ~40mins to complete? | 22:21 |
| fungi | zaro: sounds about right | 22:21 |
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| ianw | yay -> /dev/xvda1 301G 9.1G 279G 4% / <- f23 disk size issues fixed! | 22:21 |
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| fungi | ianw: congrats! | 22:22 |
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| * fungi would #success that one | 22:22 | |
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| fungi | it's certainly been plaguing us for weeks | 22:22 |
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| ianw | there's an outstanding change in the next dib release to fix symlinking of /var/run to /run, but other than that, for the first time in a *long* time, i'm not aware of any issues | 22:23 |
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| greghaynes | ianw: good thing we decided to stop writing bugs. Things got a lot better since then. ;) | 22:26 |
| ianw | greghaynes: ha ha :) there's something up with centos-minimal and dependencies i haven't quite root caused yet. so there's still things to do :) | 22:26 |
| greghaynes | Aw | 22:27 |
| ianw | greghaynes: speaking of breaking things -> the name changes in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211859/ | 22:27 |
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| greghaynes | ianw: yea, that should be all backwards compatible though | 22:28 |
| ianw | i'm just not sure "packageinstall" is really any more intrinsically understandable than "minimal" | 22:28 |
| greghaynes | I hipe | 22:28 |
| greghaynes | ianw: its different - minimal is minimal but package install is meant to be a useful image (with things like sshd). Name suggestions welcome, though. | 22:29 |
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| greghaynes | Ideally -package install would be the main Ubuntu/Fedora element but backwards compat | 22:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/openstackid: Fix on display type touch https://review.openstack.org/281527 | 22:35 |
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| jeblair | minimal; minimally useful; useful; actually useful; bloated. | 22:39 |
| jeblair | which one includes emacs is left as an exercise for the reader (<3 emacs) | 22:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Keep Gerrit ACL lines deduplicated https://review.openstack.org/281562 | 22:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Unshadow All-Projects in exclusiveGroupPermissions https://review.openstack.org/281563 | 22:45 |
| fungi | AJaeger will hopefully be pleased by that ^ | 22:45 |
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| fungi | i know i at least am looking forward to being able to wip and abandon my test changes on stable branches | 22:47 |
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| greghaynes | Jeb | 22:50 |
| greghaynes | jeblair: they all include different emacs versions | 22:51 |
| jeblair | greghaynes: ;) | 22:51 |
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| yolanda | nibalizer,around? i wanted to talk with you about the need of afs mirrors on infra cloud | 22:54 |
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| nibalizer | hi | 22:57 |
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| nibalizer | whats up? | 22:57 |
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| nibalizer | as i understand it: we need mirrors | 23:00 |
| yolanda | hi, so i was spinning a test nodepool and connected to infra cloud east | 23:00 |
| nibalizer | but the procedure for that is pretty well understood | 23:00 |
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| yolanda | then i found that ready_node scirpt, configure-mirror, was failing. And Monty told that we need to have an AFS mirror on each cloud | 23:00 |
| yolanda | i created a task for it on storybard, my suggestion for simplicity was to create the afs mirror, colocated in baremetal | 23:01 |
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| yolanda | what do you think? | 23:01 |
| jeblair | yolanda: in your test nodepool, just disable the ready script | 23:01 |
| crinkle | i thought we had already gotten nodepool to work without a mirror? | 23:01 |
| yolanda | jeblair yes i did that | 23:01 |
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| yolanda | but is a temporary solution right? | 23:01 |
| yolanda | that's feedback i got from mordred | 23:02 |
| jeblair | you don't need it for testing -- instead, you can just run devstack/tempest and look at the time it took to run tests to check performance | 23:02 |
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| jeblair | yolanda: if we're ready to add it to production nodepool, yes, we need a mirror, but we don't want to run it on bare metal | 23:02 |
| yolanda | jeblair, we are on that step now. We have a test nodepool, jenkins... and i'll start launching nodes there | 23:02 |
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| jeblair | yolanda: you have a test jenkins? | 23:02 |
| yolanda | jeblair i spinned one today | 23:02 |
| jeblair | yolanda: you don't need that either | 23:03 |
| yolanda | but i'm having trouble with gearman | 23:03 |
| jeblair | yolanda: none of that needs testing | 23:03 |
| yolanda | jeblair, i wanted to test the whole workflow of nodepool. How do i better test it? | 23:03 |
| jeblair | yolanda: you are testing nodepool, not the cloud | 23:03 |
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| SpamapS | so, jjb.. talk to me about 'builder'. If a builder fails, does that make the job just retry? | 23:03 |
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| jeblair | SpamapS: no it fails the build | 23:03 |
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| SpamapS | ah ok, bash to the rescue then. :) | 23:04 |
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| SpamapS | jeblair: thank you :) | 23:04 |
| jeblair | yolanda: i think running a test nodepool to build and destroy a vm is all you need to do | 23:04 |
| fungi | SpamapS: and it short-circuits, skipping any of the remaining builders | 23:04 |
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| fungi | SpamapS: though it still fires the publishers | 23:04 |
| jeblair | yolanda: at least, all you need to do to test that the cloud is ready for nodepool | 23:04 |
| fungi | SpamapS: which is why we do log collection in a publisher | 23:04 |
| yolanda | jeblair i've done that. But i wanted to test performance, run jobs | 23:04 |
| SpamapS | ahhhh | 23:05 |
| SpamapS | fungi: got it | 23:05 |
| jeblair | yolanda: okay, you don't need to set up jenkins on it. just run devstack. | 23:05 |
| rcarrillocruz | so | 23:05 |
| jeblair | yolanda: if you want, you can grab reproduce.sh from any recent devstack/tempest run, and it will reproduce that exact run on your cloud | 23:05 |
| rcarrillocruz | afs mirror | 23:05 |
| yolanda | jeblair, so far i found only one problem: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281310/ | 23:05 |
| rcarrillocruz | vm instead of metal | 23:05 |
| rcarrillocruz | we have consensus here? | 23:05 |
| yolanda | problem with deleting vms due to incorrect call to floating ips | 23:05 |
| rcarrillocruz | crinkle: jeblair, nibalizer | 23:05 |
| jeblair | rcarrillocruz: yes, we have 2 accounts in every cloud region. one is for long running servers, the other is for nodepool. | 23:06 |
| rcarrillocruz | i was thinking of collocating with bifrost, but don't have a strong opinion on this | 23:06 |
| yolanda | jeblair thanks for the advice, whenever i needed to test a cloud, i did with the jenkins and zuul setup, so it might be easier | 23:06 |
| jeblair | rcarrillocruz, yolanda: the mirror goes in the account for long running servers ("openstackci" is the name we use) | 23:06 |
| rcarrillocruz | okidoki | 23:06 |
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| jeblair | yolanda: i promise, running "./reproduce.sh" is easier than setting up jenkins and zuul. | 23:07 |
| yolanda | jeblair, the other alternative that was talked, is to create an independent project in our infracloud, then create a vm and setup the mirror on it | 23:07 |
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| yolanda | jeblair, i'm pretty sure | 23:07 |
| crinkle | i don't know what the requirements are for afs or why it would need to be colocated on the baremetal server | 23:07 |
| yolanda | i didn't know about that reproduce | 23:07 |
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| jeblair | yolanda: what we're looking for at this point is does it *function*. | 23:07 |
| jeblair | yolanda: once it functions, we're ready to just add it to the production nodepool and collect further data that way | 23:08 |
| yolanda | ok so after the patch i showed you, i can say it functions | 23:08 |
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| jeblair | yolanda: so, honestly, if you have spun up instances with nodepool, then we're ready to put it into production. we'll set it to max-servers=1 at first to make sure it doesn't go badly, but can increase from there. | 23:09 |
| jeblair | crinkle: the mirror has very few requirements; one sec. | 23:09 |
| yolanda | jeblair my concern there, as i showed for west as well, is that is not clearly deployable. I have a mix of cherry-picks of code until everything lands | 23:09 |
| rcarrillocruz | crinkle: it doesn't need...we could put it on vm or just in bifrost, since it's a host that we will barely use once we spin up all computes and controller | 23:10 |
| rcarrillocruz | but pattern is vm | 23:10 |
| jeblair | crinkle: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/unified_mirrors.html#servers | 23:10 |
| rcarrillocruz | so i'll go with vm | 23:10 |
| jeblair | rcarrillocruz: yes, we very much want this to operate just like any other cloud | 23:10 |
| nibalizer | rcarrillocruz: but we put the mirrors on nova instances | 23:10 |
| rcarrillocruz | ++, no snowflakes | 23:10 |
| jeblair | crinkle: i didn't mention ram there | 23:11 |
| nibalizer | its how we work | 23:11 |
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| jeblair | crinkle: but i think we use 4g given a choice | 23:11 |
| yolanda | the concern i had with vms, is the problem of orchestration. Because it means you need to create another project, create a vm... if we have to redeploy the cloud for some reason, we'll loose that vm | 23:11 |
| rcarrillocruz | i can ansible that | 23:11 |
| yolanda | good thing is that it can be reproduced easily and doesn't contain any data that need to persist | 23:12 |
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| jeblair | yolanda: that's a really good point. it is worth considering making it a snowflake for that purpose. but maybe let's stick with the existing pattern for now and maybe talk about other options next week? | 23:12 |
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| jeblair | rcarrillocruz: that might be a good solution | 23:12 |
| rcarrillocruz | yeah | 23:12 |
| jeblair | yolanda: and yeah, with the new afs mirrors, they are really fast to set up; no initial data load needed | 23:13 |
| jeblair | crinkle: even less than i thought: http://cacti.openstack.org/cacti/graph_view.php?action=tree&tree_id=1&leaf_id=182 | 23:13 |
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| jeblair | crinkle: that's what i made on bluebox, and is probably what we should do on omfra too | 23:13 |
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| jeblair | 2g ram, 2vcpu, 200G of disk. | 23:14 |
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| crinkle | jeblair: I was just wondering what the motivation for putting it on the bifrost server was (which was not appealing to me), it sounds like we've moved past that | 23:14 |
| jeblair | i honestly think we're going to greatly reduce the amount of disk used, but we can do that after we're done adding content to the mirror. | 23:14 |
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| craige | o/ | 23:15 |
| jeblair | crinkle: yeah, certainly not for performance. surviving cloud deploys might be a reason to consider, but if we can avoid it, i think it'd be worth it because it's so tiny (so i lean toward starting with vm and trying to work with that). | 23:16 |
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| xarses | I thought we had the ability to "restore" etherpad from a revision | 23:17 |
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| xarses | I want to restore/promote https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda/timeslider#23266 back | 23:18 |
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| fungi | related point, etherpad is a terrible platform for evolving historical logs of information. it's useful for short-term collaboration on a document | 23:19 |
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| fungi | but if you keep editing and adding to it, at some point it will break or at best become extremely unwieldy | 23:20 |
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| fungi | i believe you can export the content from a particular point in time, if the history of the pad is not corrupted/lost | 23:21 |
| fungi | but would need to paste it back in and would lose authorship information | 23:21 |
| fungi | afaik, it doesn't work like a wiki where you can roll back the official version to an earlier edit | 23:22 |
| xarses | don't have to 'roll' it back, I just want all the content and authorship pushed back onto the end | 23:24 |
| yolanda | so leaving for today, it's quite late here. jeblair, thanks for the pointer on reproduce, i'll test it tomorrow | 23:24 |
| rcarrillocruz | yep | 23:24 |
| rcarrillocruz | me too | 23:24 |
| rcarrillocruz | crashing now | 23:25 |
| pleia2 | night rcarrillocruz | 23:25 |
| rcarrillocruz | g'nite | 23:25 |
| jeblair | yolanda, rcarrillocruz: thanks! good luck | 23:25 |
| xarses | My colleague and I swear there used to be some option in the history view that would allow to "restore" it | 23:25 |
| pleia2 | and yolanda | 23:25 |
| fungi | xarses: i don't understand the difference between what you're asking for and rolling back (restoring) the content to a previous edit | 23:25 |
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| fungi | it's possible that was a feature of etherpad and was never implemented in etherpad-lite? | 23:25 |
| xarses | fungi: aparently, it's bad to remove the edits from the histroy, and it's not allowed unless you are an admin | 23:26 |
| fungi | i don't remember it, but that doesn't mean it never existed | 23:26 |
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| xarses | supposedly we can export / inport but I don't see how I do that in the current namespace | 23:27 |
| fungi | yeah, you could export and then paste it back into the current pad, but regardless exports don't include authorship/colors | 23:27 |
| fungi | it's just the textual content | 23:27 |
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| xarses | import fails | 23:28 |
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| xarses | it requires a new page | 23:28 |
| fungi | import requires a new page, yes | 23:29 |
| xarses | which I'm guessing loses the authorship | 23:29 |
| fungi | deleting all the content from the pad and pasting the text from the export back in place of it doesn't require a new pad | 23:29 |
| fungi | however, pasting huge amounts of text into a pad is also twitchy | 23:29 |
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| xarses | so the page is now fugly | 23:47 |
| xarses | awesome | 23:47 |
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| fungi | yeah, that's what i meant by "twitchy." you lose a lot of formatting when pasting. etherpad doesn't deal with pasting whitespace (indentation, blank lines, et cetera) | 23:53 |
| fungi | nor bullets, ordered lists, styles | 23:54 |
| fungi | but you can at least get the basic text content | 23:54 |
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