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| mnaser | mordred: figure out the js stuff? | 00:04 |
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| mnaser | (about the X not working) | 00:05 |
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| mordred | mnaser: nope. it's confusing. the input box totally gets clicks, but the x click handler just doesn't get called | 00:06 |
| mnaser | Zuul and openstack-gerrit Merge "Update jquery to version 3" | 00:06 |
| mnaser | i wonder if thats related | 00:06 |
| * mnaser looks | 00:07 | |
| mordred | mnaser: yah - I wondered the same thing - but before we landed that it was still unhappy | 00:07 |
| mordred | mnaser: that said - looking in that patch it looks like 3 was already in the lock file- so maybe we were on 3 without meaning to be and it _is_ related to 3 | 00:08 |
| mordred | mnaser: http://logs.openstack.org/90/547790/6/check/build-javascript-content/e8084d0/npm/html/status.html is a version of it before the jquery update | 00:08 |
| mnaser | mordred: i think the minification might be breaking it somehow | 00:08 |
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| mnaser | mordred: so try to follow and please let me know if im wrong, but "$('#filter_string').val('').change()" is what happens on the clearIcon.click() | 00:09 |
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| mordred | yah - that's what's supposed to happen at least | 00:10 |
| mnaser | http://zuul.openstack.org/main.2fc8eee65093d2bf4c74.js | 00:10 |
| mnaser | return a.click(function(){e("#filter_string").val("").change() | 00:10 |
| mnaser | or rather "return a.click(function(){e("#filter_string").val("").change()})" for completeness | 00:10 |
| mnaser | now in following the minification | 00:11 |
| mnaser | var a=e("<span />").addClass("form-control-feedback").addClass("glyphicon glyphicon-remove-circle").attr("id","filter_form_clear_box").attr("title","clear filter").css("cursor","pointer"); | 00:11 |
| mnaser | i think the return is messing it up | 00:11 |
| mordred | mnaser: fwiw - (not to break your train of thought) but I'm running locally in webpack-dev-server unminified and it's still having the same issue | 00:12 |
| mnaser | oh | 00:12 |
| mnaser | lol | 00:12 |
| mnaser | is it easy to get it running locally? | 00:12 |
| andreaf | ianw frickler clarkb corvus sorry to ask again, but the multinode series can use some review love https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-dev/devstack+branch:master+topic:multinode_zuulv3 | 00:12 |
| mordred | mnaser: yup! | 00:12 |
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| andreaf | I will also need to do backports, to queens for grenade at least | 00:12 |
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| mordred | mnaser: grab the zuul repo, run 'yarn install' then 'npm run start' | 00:13 |
| clarkb | andreaf: starts at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/546765/34 ? | 00:13 |
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| mordred | mnaser: you might need to install yarn if you don't have it installed | 00:13 |
| andreaf | clarkb yes | 00:13 |
| mnaser | mordred: awesome, i know its a bit of pain to get all that scaffolding up and going | 00:13 |
| mnaser | mordred: maybe take this to #zuul not to pollute the flow here :) | 00:13 |
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| andreaf | clarkb the first two are code, then two documentation patches | 00:14 |
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| andreaf | and the first backport as well https://review.openstack.org/#/c/550200/ | 00:15 |
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| clarkb | andreaf: for etcd3 I know we said it would be a base service but does anything actually use it? | 00:17 |
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| clarkb | I can't but wonder if maybe etcd3 as a base service should happen when something actually does use it | 00:17 |
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| andreaf | clarkb I don't know, that's what we get today by default - it's relatively new so I'm not sure I'd like to revert etcd3 as part of the migration | 00:19 |
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| andreaf | clarkb also I fear if we stop running that code it may bitrot | 00:19 |
| clarkb | andreaf: ya we can worry about that separately | 00:19 |
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| clarkb | its just there was a big thing about it then I'm not sure it went anywhere. Something to follow up on with dims maybe? | 00:19 |
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| clarkb | andreaf: comments on the first change but I think it should work as is so +2 | 00:20 |
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| andreaf | clarkb thanks | 00:25 |
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| clarkb | andreaf: what is `set interface_variable = 'ansible_' + interface` doing? | 00:28 |
| clarkb | does ansible prefix all the interface names with ansible_? | 00:28 |
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| clarkb | andreaf: and then mostly questions on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/545696/77 I think this is really close just want to make sure that order of operations is correct and that maybe a few things can be simplified | 00:35 |
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| dmsimard | I thought I'd share a relevant XKCD with the stories about Slack: https://xkcd.com/1782/ | 03:53 |
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| jokke_ | Anyone around who could create new gerrit group for us? | 12:02 |
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| frickler | jokke_: do you have a patch as reference? | 12:06 |
| jokke_ | frickler: patch to where? | 12:07 |
| frickler | jokke_: creating the acl that needs the group. or what kind of gerrit group do you need? | 12:08 |
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| jokke_ | ohh ... ok ... I was gonna file that acl change once I get the group ... I can do it other way around as well. | 12:08 |
| frickler | jokke_: yes, the group will be created automatically based on your patch. you can ping us here once that patch is merged to get the initial member of the group set | 12:09 |
| jokke_ | So we have had this rule in Glance that only PTL should merge specs so we can ensure that all cores etc. have actually read them | 12:09 |
| jokke_ | oh great, thanks | 12:09 |
| jokke_ | and we clearly failed to communicate that to our new cores | 12:10 |
| jokke_ | so better to have in enforced to avoid any confusions | 12:10 |
| frickler | jokke_: sounds reasonable, yes | 12:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Erno Kuvaja proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Allow only PTL to merge glance-specs https://review.openstack.org/551268 | 12:14 |
| jokke_ | frickler: just thought that it would make more sense to have a group there so we can easily manage it ourselves rather than having just one username we need to push review every time ptl changes | 12:15 |
| jokke_ | so similar self managed group as the -core groups are where members can add and removed | 12:16 |
| jokke_ | -d | 12:16 |
| jokke_ | just by default only one member in the group | 12:16 |
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| Roamer` | frickler, thanks for the non-127.0.0.1 approval, one less local patch to our CI :) | 12:22 |
| Roamer` | right, that would've been better said in -qa, but anyway | 12:23 |
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| frickler | Roamer`: you're welcome, feel free to ping me if there are other patches needing attention | 12:28 |
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| frickler | jokke_: commented on the review | 12:31 |
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| jokke_ | frickler: we can use that, though if one looks the repo config it's not as obvious, we could also just remove that glance-specs-core group as it's currently indeed unused ... which ever you guys prefer? | 12:50 |
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| fungi | jokke_: if you want to see a more flexible example: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/gerrit/acls/openstack-infra/infra-specs.config | 13:01 |
| fungi | basically we allow all infra-core and infra-council members to cast rollcall votes, but only infra-core can veto and only infra-ptl can approve | 13:02 |
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| AJaeger | jokke_: having a specs-core group is more flexible if you want to extend the group. But ultimately your call... | 13:03 |
| fungi | the governance repo also has a similar (but not identical) voting model: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/gerrit/acls/openstack/governance.config | 13:03 |
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| AJaeger | fungi, could you review https://review.openstack.org/551202 - retiring of cue, part 1, please? | 13:08 |
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| AJaeger | thanks! | 13:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config master: Retire cue - Part 1 https://review.openstack.org/551202 | 13:18 |
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| jokke_ | AJaeger: fungi: so we really don't need roll calls there, we're fine with cores being able to +-2 ... just the +W being restricted so we can make sure the group as whole does not miss stuff. We're small enough group to handle that | 13:19 |
| AJaeger | ;) | 13:20 |
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| jokke_ | thanks for the pointers 'though | 13:20 |
| AJaeger | jokke_: ok, gave a +2 now | 13:21 |
| evrardjp | is there something with centos nodes right now? Or everything is fine? | 13:21 |
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| dmsimard | AJaeger: hey do you happen to know if the process to rename jobs with zuul v3 is documented ? i.e, https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:base-rename | 13:37 |
| chandankumar | lbragstad: | 13:39 |
| chandankumar | sorry | 13:40 |
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| AJaeger | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/zuul.d/jobs.yaml#n7 is the documentation | 13:50 |
| AJaeger | dmsimard: ^ | 13:50 |
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| tosky | dmsimard: this? https://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/drivers.html#v3-naming | 13:59 |
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| lbragstad | clarkb: re our conversation about the keystone retrospecive - the board is now public https://trello.com/b/Vo6dRALh/keystone-queens-retrospective | 14:03 |
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| fungi | evrardjp: i'm not sure how to answer your question. have you observed something anomalous related to jobs running on centos-7 nodes? | 14:13 |
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| EmilienM | pabelanger: please /join #tripleo | 14:19 |
| EmilienM | or we can take it here | 14:19 |
| EmilienM | we have some mirror issues: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1754669 | 14:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1754669 in tripleo "different rpm packages install are failing" [Critical,Triaged] | 14:20 |
| EmilienM | amoralej: ^ can give details | 14:20 |
| EmilienM | tripleo gate is current red on master | 14:20 |
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| amoralej | EmilienM, i've added explanation in the LP | 14:21 |
| EmilienM | ok thx | 14:21 |
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| amoralej | all package updates after 5-March are missing in http://mirror.dfw.rax.openstack.org/centos/7/updates/x86_64/Packages | 14:22 |
| evrardjp | fungi: I think it's close to what EmilienM amoralej have seen | 14:22 |
| evrardjp | oh great amoralej | 14:22 |
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| fungi | looking now to see if our mirroring has stopped | 14:25 |
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| fungi | looks like we pulled some files from rsync://mirrors.kernel.org/centos/7/ as recently as 2018-03-08T14:00:04,588884483+0000 | 14:28 |
| fungi | included updated xen packages in that batch | 14:29 |
| fungi | vos release claims to have completed successfully too | 14:29 |
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| fungi | http://mirror.dfw.rax.openstack.org/centos/timestamp.txt also confirms it's being served from the mirror cache in question | 14:30 |
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| fungi | EmilienM: amoralej: evrardjp: maybe mirrors.kernel.org is behind? | 14:31 |
| fungi | pabelanger: ^ | 14:31 |
| fungi | i don't see anything awry on our end, at least | 14:32 |
| amoralej | fungi, nop, it's mirror.centos.org | 14:32 |
| fungi | amoralej: what is mirror.centos.org? | 14:32 |
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| amoralej | it's centos repo | 14:32 |
| fungi | i can't parse your comment | 14:32 |
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| fungi | you're saying it's actually mirror.centos.org which is broken/behind and that's why the content we're pulling from mirrors.kernel.org is also behind? | 14:33 |
| amoralej | fungi http://mirror.dfw.rax.openstack.org/centos/7/updates/ should be in sync with http://mirror.centos.org/centos-7/7/updates | 14:33 |
| fungi | amoralej: only if the mirrors.kernel.org mirror is also in sync | 14:33 |
| fungi | we pull from mirrors.kernel.org not mirror.centos.org | 14:34 |
| fungi | because mirror.centos.org doesn't have public rsync access | 14:34 |
| amoralej | fungi, ok | 14:34 |
| amoralej | then http://mirrors.kernel.org/centos/7/updates/x86_64/Packages/ | 14:34 |
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| amoralej | i see updated there from 8-mar | 14:34 |
| fungi | yes, and we pulled an update as recently as 8-mar | 14:35 |
| amoralej | not existing in http://mirror.dfw.rax.openstack.org/centos/7/updates/x86_64/Packages/ | 14:35 |
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| amoralej | fungi, in http://mirror.dfw.rax.openstack.org/centos/7/updates/x86_64/Packages/?C=M;O=D | 14:35 |
| amoralej | last update i see is from 5-mar | 14:35 |
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| amoralej | fungi, you can check for systemd-219-42.el7_4.10.x86_64.rpm for example | 14:36 |
| fungi | thanks, i agree they do appear to be different | 14:36 |
| dmsimard | AJaeger: yeah that's kind of what I was looking for, thanks | 14:36 |
| fungi | the last update we pulled included virt/x86_64/xen-48/xen-4.8.2-12.el7.x86_64.rpm | 14:36 |
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| fungi | which does seem to have updated yesterday: http://mirror.dfw.rax.openstack.org/centos/7/virt/x86_64/xen-48/ | 14:39 |
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| fungi | so for some reason the updates/x86_64/Packages/ tree specifically didn't see updates | 14:39 |
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| fungi | the last update rsync found on mirrors.kernel.org was on 2018-03-06T04:00:09,222681984+0000 which was probably files dated 2018-03-05 | 14:42 |
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| clarkb | if rsync is preserving timestamps perhaps kernel mirror only just updated and we need to wait for our next update? | 14:42 |
| AJaeger | config-core, we recently created a new project - let's finish setup, please: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/538304/ | 14:42 |
| clarkb | if you grab the lock you can do an update in the foreground if not wanting to wait | 14:43 |
| fungi | clarkb: possible. it's been failing to sync for roughly a day because of the usual "@ERROR: max connections (100) reached -- try again later" | 14:43 |
| clarkb | ah | 14:43 |
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| fungi | someone likely released something large and their rsync mirror has been slammed for a day so we're not able to get through | 14:43 |
| fungi | someone with a vested interest in us being able to mirror centos packages more reliably could work with the mirror.centos.org maintainers to get rsync support added i suppose | 14:44 |
| fungi | and then we'd gladly switch | 14:44 |
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| fungi | like i say, the last successful rsync we had to mirrors.kernel.org was 2018-03-08T14:00:04,588884483+0000 so ~24 hours ago now | 14:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tobias Henkel proposed openstack-infra/zuul master: Add new tox-remote job https://review.openstack.org/551301 | 14:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tobias Henkel proposed openstack-infra/zuul master: Add new tox-remote job https://review.openstack.org/551301 | 14:49 |
| clarkb | we either wait for kernel mirror to let us connect or find new upstream I guess | 14:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tobias Henkel proposed openstack-infra/zuul master: Add new tox-remote job https://review.openstack.org/551301 | 14:54 |
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| EmilienM | amoralej: do we know mirror maintainers? | 15:02 |
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| amoralej | yes, we do | 15:02 |
| EmilienM | clarkb: maybe while we're finding the maintainers and try to get rsync support, we could change upstream mirror | 15:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Tobias Henkel proposed openstack-infra/zuul master: Add new tox-remote job https://review.openstack.org/551301 | 15:02 |
| amoralej | but mirror.kernel.org is ok | 15:02 |
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| clarkb | amoralej: the content is ok there but we can't connect to it to pull it | 15:04 |
| clarkb | "@ERROR: max connections (100) reached -- try again later" is the error fungi pasted | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | we need to switch to another mirror to mitigate the gate issue now | 15:04 |
| EmilienM | meanwhile, amoralej can you please reach out the mirror maintainer | 15:04 |
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| amoralej | clarkb, so, the problem is that there is too much content to synchronize from that mirror? | 15:05 |
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| clarkb | amoralej: its that there are too many people all trying to pull the content at the same time. Possibly because it is a large update so it is taking a long time for each connection to complete | 15:05 |
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| fungi | where "the content" probably means any content from m.k.o not necessarily the centos content | 15:07 |
| fungi | i expect they just have a global rsync limit of 100 concurrent clients | 15:07 |
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| fungi | eventually we'll try when there aren't 100 other rsync users also connected and manage to pull the last day of updates | 15:07 |
| amoralej | so mirror.k.o is limiting the number of connections? | 15:08 |
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| fungi | yes, they always have | 15:08 |
| fungi | we see this from time to time | 15:08 |
| clarkb | suse does it too with their mirrors. I think it is a fairly common practice | 15:08 |
| amoralej | fungi, it seems mirror.centos.org has support for rsync for only for service published in centos official mirrorlist | 15:08 |
| fungi | but if you can find us another relatively fresh centos mirror which has public rsync protocol access we can switch to that fairly trivially | 15:09 |
| amoralej | so only for "public" mirrors | 15:09 |
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| fungi | yeah, in the future we won't be able to predict the ip address from which we'd be connecting, so needing to get client addresses whitelisted would prevent us from being able to do this with a zuul job and ephemeral node | 15:11 |
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| amoralej | fungi, there is a list of mirrors with rsync enabled in https://www.centos.org/download/mirrors/ | 15:13 |
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| fungi | i'll take a look after the release team meeting concludes | 15:14 |
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| clarkb | rsync://centos.mirror.lstn.net/centos/ might be a good one to try as we know some of them now | 15:18 |
| clarkb | amoralej: ^ maybe you want to check that they are up to date? | 15:18 |
| clarkb | http://centos.mirror.lstn.net/ is the http location | 15:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config master: Zuul templates for new project python-tatuclient. https://review.openstack.org/538304 | 15:18 |
| amoralej | clarkb, i see content ok | 15:20 |
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| fungi | a fun fallback might be rsync://mirror.hackingand.coffee/centos/ | 15:22 |
| fungi | ~5ms average from the current mirror-update server | 15:22 |
| fungi | some dozen hops away, but just going across town in dallas | 15:23 |
| clarkb | ya limestone is in texas too | 15:23 |
| fungi | is limestone the same as continuous.pw? | 15:24 |
| EmilienM | we could even switch IPoAC for this mirror if in same town | 15:24 |
| clarkb | fungi: they are your new ifnra donor | 15:24 |
| clarkb | so in theory logan- can help us out if there are problems | 15:24 |
| logan- | o/ | 15:24 |
| fungi | cool, i didn't know what to call them and the fqdn for the api is osa.continuous.pw | 15:24 |
| clarkb | ah | 15:24 |
| fungi | self-signed cert too, need to remember what we did in our nodepool configs to clear using a self-signed ssl cert for the infra-cloud deployment | 15:25 |
| clarkb | fungi: the two options are to either just not verify certs or download the cert itself and specify that as the trust for that connection | 15:26 |
| clarkb | fungi: we did the second for infracloud | 15:26 |
| clarkb | so old infracloud configs should be an example | 15:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/nodepool master: Revert "Add /label-list to the webapp" https://review.openstack.org/548424 | 15:26 |
| fungi | thanks | 15:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/nodepool master: Consolidate status results https://review.openstack.org/548134 | 15:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/nodepool master: Consolidate node_list, add generic filter https://review.openstack.org/548135 | 15:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/nodepool master: webapp: use content detection for return https://review.openstack.org/548440 | 15:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/nodepool master: Add label-list webapp endpoint https://review.openstack.org/548442 | 15:32 |
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| amoralej | fungi, can i do something to help? | 15:35 |
| amoralej | to get it in sync? | 15:35 |
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| clarkb | amoralej: I'm working on a patch. I thought I could mirror fedora from there too but maybe the atomic stuff isn't hosted? | 15:36 |
| amoralej | i'm nos sure | 15:36 |
| amoralej | let me check | 15:36 |
| clarkb | does anyone know what is using fedora atomic? | 15:36 |
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| amoralej | clarkb, maybe magnum | 15:37 |
| amoralej | they use fedora for gate jobs, iirc | 15:37 |
| amoralej | fedora atomic | 15:38 |
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| clarkb | we won't release the main fedora repo unless atomic also updates so doesn't make sense to split the mirror sources for that | 15:38 |
| clarkb | so maybe I just push an update for centos for now | 15:39 |
| fungi | i'm doing a test rsync of centos against the proposed replacement mirror for now to 1. test that it's working and 2. get the current mirror updated for now | 15:39 |
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| clarkb | fungi: ++ | 15:40 |
| fungi | it's updating now | 15:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed openstack-infra/system-config master: Sync centos from limestone networks mirror https://review.openstack.org/551318 | 15:41 |
| clarkb | there is the centos only update for now | 15:41 |
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| fungi | as soon as the current sync (it's running in a rood screen session on m-u.o.o) finishes i'll approve that | 15:42 |
| fungi | s/rood/root/ | 15:42 |
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| clarkb | fungi: fwiw I changed centos.mirror.lnst.net to mirror.lnst.net, in dns they are the same host and that made sense when I was looking to switch fedora too | 15:44 |
| clarkb | I don't expect that will cause a problem but happy to update the change if you want ot use the url you have tested | 15:45 |
| logan- | yeah mirror.lstn.net is preferred | 15:45 |
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| logan- | they are all the same thing but the others are just namevhosts | 15:45 |
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| fungi | thanks. i'm technically testing centos.mirror.lnst.net since that's what was in the centos mirrors list, but if they're the same machine then rsync won't care | 15:46 |
| fungi | (pretty sure rsync doesn't even know what a "vhost" is anyway) | 15:46 |
| clarkb | for fedora we might consider decoupling the atomic mirror from fedora main | 15:46 |
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| clarkb | since I expect few people are using fedora atomic | 15:46 |
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| fungi | centos mirror sync has finished and vos release is running now | 15:47 |
| clarkb | and we probably don't want fedora main updates lagging because atomic updates (which are large image files) faile | 15:47 |
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| fungi | yeah, makes sense | 15:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config master: Migrate release team deliverables to storyboard https://review.openstack.org/548928 | 15:51 |
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| clarkb | lbragstad: thanks I see the board now | 15:56 |
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| clarkb | lbragstad: is https://trello.com/c/QldE5koC/40-is-there-another-type-of-asynch-communication-method-we-can-use-to-communicate-with-apac-contributors the card for the contributor communication troubles? | 15:59 |
| fungi | amoralej: EmilienM: evrardjp: pabelanger: our centos mirror caches should be up to date as of a few minutes ago | 15:59 |
| EmilienM | fungi: thanks a lot | 16:00 |
| EmilienM | let's recheck | 16:00 |
| amoralej | fungi, yeah, i see it ok now | 16:00 |
| amoralej | thanks | 16:00 |
| amoralej | fungi, did you configure it to use this new repo from now on or it was just a one-shot sync? | 16:00 |
| fungi | and i'm reviewing 551318 to make the upstream mirror switch persistent | 16:00 |
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| fungi | amoralej: one-shot, but 551318 will switch us to that one for now | 16:01 |
| fungi | once it merges | 16:01 |
| clarkb | lbragstad: while I'm not sure infra can solve many of those issues they do appear to be larger problems that would affect more than just keystone. It might be a good idea to communicate these concerns more broadly | 16:01 |
| lbragstad | ++ | 16:02 |
| clarkb | the infra team at least does not rely on google tools or twitter (but are heavy consumers of irc). So you shouldn't need to use google tools or twitter to interact with openstack | 16:02 |
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| dmsimard | fungi: signed :) | 16:02 |
| clarkb | and ya mailing lists address a lot of the concerns with irc and probably reasonable to push as much communication there as possible | 16:02 |
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| dmsimard | fungi: at the very end of the docs here -- https://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/signing.html#attestation there's a mention of revocation key. That particular file doesn't exist but there's a revocation key per release, is that what is meant to be explained ? | 16:04 |
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| fungi | dmsimard: it's a todo for me to update that filename so we don't clobber the previous revocation certs. it's actually rocky.revoke.asc | 16:05 |
| fungi | so, yes | 16:06 |
| dmsimard | fungi: I figured as much, thanks for confirming -- I can send a patch if you'd like. Is the intent to stash away all the different release revocation keys ? Or just that one (say, I'm a new root so I don't have the previous ones stashed away) | 16:06 |
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| fungi | i keep forgetting to update that part of the docs (but will do so today) to make sure we write out a distinct filename each time (so far i've been moving the previous one out of the way but it will be better to make it --output signing.gnupg/some.revoke.asc when doing --gen-revoke | 16:07 |
| fungi | just need the extra wording to remind the reader to substitute the correct release name for "some" | 16:08 |
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| dmsimard | fungi: ok, and is it on purpose that the key is meant to expire in october 2018 ? | 16:09 |
| dmsimard | do we rotate keys after a release, for example ? | 16:09 |
| fungi | dmsimard: yep, that's the bulk of the article before that section | 16:10 |
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| dmsimard | ahhh, this is new to me -- I knew we did something like that but wasn't familiar with how it worked. I'll do some reading then :D | 16:10 |
| fungi | we have a per-cycle key and swap them out near the start of each cycle (usually shortly after the cycle-trailing deliverables release) | 16:10 |
| fungi | the beginning of that article addresses some of it | 16:11 |
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| fungi | though the document also needs some updates now that we're using zuul v3 | 16:12 |
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| dmsimard | Makes sense. My question was mostly around dot releases of previous releases, I suppose we don't use an expired key ? But then it means we use a key from another "release" | 16:12 |
| fungi | the key generation and attestation steps are all the same, but some of the details about key management are outdated | 16:12 |
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| fungi | dmsimard: yeah, that's why it's a "cycle" key and not a "release" key | 16:13 |
| dmsimard | ahhhhh, that's the part I missed. | 16:13 |
| fungi | it's the key used for the majority of the duration of a specific development cycle | 16:13 |
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| fungi | because that was waaaay easier to implement than having a multiple different keys in use at the same time for different branches and also having to possibly extend expiration dates on them if we decided to extend maintenance of certain stable branches | 16:14 |
| fungi | there's also a more simplified/summary writeup at https://releases.openstack.org/#cryptographic-signatures | 16:15 |
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| dmsimard | that's awesome :) | 16:16 |
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| fungi | and we link to the detached signatures of release artifacts on the releases site too | 16:16 |
| fungi | right alongside the links for their checksums | 16:16 |
| dmsimard | I haven't needed to do a whole lot of crypto/signing/etc in my day job so far so it'll be a great opportunity for me to learn about it | 16:16 |
| dmsimard | maybe one day I can even have my own business card with my key on it :p | 16:17 |
| fungi | for example https://releases.openstack.org/queens/index.html#aodh | 16:17 |
| fungi | oh, in fact i guess we don't list checksums at all, just pgp signature links | 16:17 |
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| dmsimard | res of release artifacts on the releases site too | 16:17 |
| dmsimard | there's the git hash, maybe we could have checksums as well | 16:17 |
| dmsimard | er, forget my first sentence, weird clipboard issue | 16:18 |
| fungi | well, checksums are irrelevant if we have openpgp signatures | 16:18 |
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| fungi | since a signature is actually taking a strong checksum of the file, then encrypting that checksum such that it can be decrypted with the corresponding public key | 16:19 |
| dmsimard | true | 16:19 |
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| fungi | and most of the distro package maintainers we've talked to would rather have signatures of tarballs than checksums anyway | 16:19 |
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| fungi | for example, with debian packaging automation you can include something like https://sources.debian.org/data/main/w/weather-util/2.3-2/debian/upstream/signing-key.asc | 16:24 |
| fungi | and that way when someone wants to refresh the package, if the latest tarball has a detached signature alongside it generated by that key then you have some proof of provenance | 16:24 |
| * dmsimard nods | 16:25 | |
| dmsimard | Some folks involved in RHEL have told me a bit about the process involved in building and shipping a signed package, it's pretty involved | 16:26 |
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| corvus | hi -- i'm semi-back today and am going to try to start catching up on things so i'll be really back next week | 16:30 |
| corvus | i'm declaring irc bankruptcy though, so if you pinged me with something important in the last week or so, please do so again :) | 16:30 |
| dmsimard | IRC bankruptcy... I like that. /me adds to vocabulary | 16:31 |
| corvus | i hope it doesn't affect my credit rating | 16:31 |
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| dmsimard | corvus: only thing I got for you is that I sent a spec to "improve" eavesdrop which you might be interested in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/550550/ .. otherwise nothing :D | 16:33 |
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| corvus | dmsimard: cool, sounds like a good goal :) | 16:34 |
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| clarkb | corvus: on the infra side of things ianw surgeried nova-specs so that should be working again as far as github replication goes | 16:38 |
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| clarkb | andreaf: did you see my comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/545696/77 ? | 16:39 |
| corvus | clarkb, ianw: neat! | 16:40 |
| andreaf | clarkb: I think we are enforcing order of operations, that's why I build a task list which does controller first, then everyone else, then discover hosts at the end | 16:41 |
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| clarkb | andreaf: but the task list is executed once for every host in the inventory right? and we don't control that order? | 16:42 |
| clarkb | andreaf: so even if you have the controller task first in the list if the first host in the inventory is a subnode then those tasks will happen first according to the wall clock | 16:42 |
| clarkb | (I think) | 16:42 |
| clarkb | or possibly they will happen concurrently and therewill be races? | 16:43 |
| clarkb | corvus: oh we do still need to reboot the zuul01 server to try and make systemd happy again | 16:43 |
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| clarkb | plan was to let mordred fix js things first so we weren't fighting over the host | 16:43 |
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| clarkb | andreaf: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/545696/77/playbooks/devstack.yaml the hosts: all there means we don't control the order directly I don't think | 16:44 |
| clarkb | andreaf: we can probably address that by doing hosts: controller first then hosts: !controller | 16:45 |
| corvus | clarkb, andreaf: we may need multiple plays in that case -- a play with hosts:controller, then "---" to separate another play with hosts:all | 16:45 |
| corvus | or that | 16:45 |
| andreaf | clarkb: uhm... I see your point. In fact the way I see it happen in the logs is controller first and the rest later | 16:45 |
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| andreaf | clarkb corvus the the reason I made a role and not a play is that I wanted that orchestration logic to be reusable | 16:45 |
| andreaf | clarkb corvus else everyone else who wants to have a custom run will have to copy/paste the orchestration bit | 16:46 |
| mordred | clarkb, corvus: I'm fully done with zuul01 - so anybody else who needs to do things there can go right ahead | 16:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/zuul master: web: add /{tenant}/projects.html web page https://review.openstack.org/537870 | 16:48 |
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| clarkb | andreaf: it may be that the inventory ordering is respected by ansible but it should also run on like 5 hosts all at once which could also break it | 16:53 |
| clarkb | andreaf: fwiw when we did this with devstack-gate the first time around I had it doing all the hosts at the same time to save time and I don't think it ever failed as a result of that but sdague was very skeptical of it | 16:53 |
| andreaf | clarkb: I tried a four hosts test and it worked fine | 16:53 |
| clarkb | andreaf: at the very least the discover hosts step might need to be separate from that | 16:53 |
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| clarkb | but maybe we can run devstack concurrently and not worry about it until it fails | 16:53 |
| andreaf | clarkb I tried all at once and it failed, but maybe it was because of the tls setup | 16:54 |
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| andreaf | clarkb services on the subnodes will wait for 60s to talk to a service on the controller | 16:54 |
| clarkb | andreaf: isn't hosts: all going to do them all at once or is something making it sequential somewhere? | 16:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthieu Huin proposed openstack-infra/zuul-jobs master: Publish build status to MQTT https://review.openstack.org/551329 | 16:55 |
| clarkb | if it is sequential and works then my guess is the order in the inventory itself matters (and maybe we just document that and hope ansible doesn't change that behavior) | 16:55 |
| dmsimard | fungi: I'm going to grab a bite and then I'll have around an hour to poke at the new nodepool provider before needing to commit to something else | 16:57 |
| clarkb | dmsimard: I'm happy to help with that as well | 16:57 |
| clarkb | maybe this is a good opportunity to make breakfast | 16:57 |
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| jlvillal | Review request openstack-infra/puppet-gerritbot: Have gerritbot install from git: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/546700/ Has one +2 already. Thanks! | 17:00 |
| andreaf | clarkb look at this, this is a four nodes run, and it looks like ansible waits for each task to be finished on all nodes before moving on http://logs.openstack.org/57/547857/8/check/tempest-multinode-full/eab073f/ara/ | 17:00 |
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| dmsimard | andreaf: that's the default behavior -- each host must wait for the task to finish before moving on to the next task | 17:01 |
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| andreaf | dmsimard: heh that's perfect :) clarkb so my code works fine | 17:01 |
| dmsimard | andreaf: you can use different strategies -- for example "free" will just run everything ASAP on each server | 17:01 |
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| andreaf | dmsimard is the strategy defined in the play? | 17:02 |
| dmsimard | andreaf: yes, it's at the play level http://docs.ansible.com/ansible/latest/playbooks_strategies.html | 17:02 |
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| dmsimard | andreaf: serial is also good to know about: http://docs.ansible.com/ansible/latest/playbooks_delegation.html#rolling-update-batch-size | 17:02 |
| dmsimard | andreaf: you want to execute different things on different hosts at the same time ? | 17:03 |
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| andreaf | dmsimard I want this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/545696/77/roles/orchestrate-devstack/tasks/main.yaml to run devstack on controller first and then devstack on the other nodes and then sync hosts | 17:04 |
| andreaf | dmsimard which is what it's doing but I wasn't sure why - now I know why :) | 17:05 |
| andreaf | dmsimard which is good | 17:05 |
| andreaf | dmsimard perhaps I need to add documentation on the role that it would not work if used in a free form play | 17:05 |
| clarkb | andreaf: aha ok iy will work then | 17:06 |
| clarkb | andreaf: ++ to dovumenting that | 17:06 |
| andreaf | clarkb is that ok if I do the doc in a patch on top? | 17:06 |
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| clarkb | andreaf: ya | 17:08 |
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| andreaf | clarkb https://review.openstack.org/551330 | 17:14 |
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| dmsimard | Is Kendall Waters on IRC ? She just sent an email for a PTG survey and I'm not convinced she used the correct recipient list. | 17:19 |
| clarkb | dmsimard: I dont think so. | 17:19 |
| dmsimard | Ok, it's odd -- I don't know what she used to send that but I wasn't registered for the PTG (to my knowledge) and on top of that it's on my personal email account which I don't typically use for OpenStack things (outside of perhaps eventbrite) | 17:20 |
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| clarkb | my guess is it is to your foundation profile email | 17:21 |
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| clarkb | and I think they are looking for feedback from people that didnt go to the ptg too? | 17:22 |
| clarkb | I can ask | 17:22 |
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| dmsimard | clarkb: "Thank you for attending the OpenStack Project Teams Gathering in Dublin last week and braving the crazy weather!" | 17:22 |
| dmsimard | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 17:22 |
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| fungi | dmsimard: interesting... | 17:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/zuul master: web: add /{tenant}/jobs/{job_name} route https://review.openstack.org/550978 | 17:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/zuul master: web: add /{tenant}/projects routes https://review.openstack.org/550979 | 17:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/zuul master: web: add /{tenant}/pipelines route https://review.openstack.org/541521 | 17:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/zuul master: web: add /{tenant}/job.html page to display job details https://review.openstack.org/535545 | 17:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/zuul master: web: add /{tenant}/projects.html web page https://review.openstack.org/537870 | 17:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/zuul master: Fix indentation and renable the eslint rule https://review.openstack.org/545671 | 17:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/zuul master: Shift html templates into components https://review.openstack.org/551327 | 17:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/zuul master: Use bootstrap 3.1.1 instead of 3.3.7 https://review.openstack.org/551338 | 17:30 |
| fungi | dmsimard: did you maybe use that address to register for the denver ptg? i'm wondering whether she got lists mixed up | 17:32 |
| dmsimard | fungi: it might be from the Denver Eventbrite | 17:33 |
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| fungi | i'll let her know | 17:33 |
| dmsimard | Yeah, I still have the email from my Eventbrite registration | 17:34 |
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| fungi | dmsimard: just confirmed, she used the wrong list after all | 17:37 |
| fungi | thanks for the heads up | 17:37 |
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| dmsimard | \o/ | 17:39 |
| fungi | dmsimard: as for the limestone environment next steps, we have an ansible playbook/tool i think to prep our accounts so we make sure things like security groups are adjusted and stuff. i'll see if i can dig that up (likely in system-config?) | 17:40 |
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| fungi | ahh, yeah pretty sure that's http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/system-config/tree/run_cloud_launcher.sh | 17:41 |
| fungi | clarkb: ^ correct? | 17:41 |
| clarkb | ya there should be some yaml you edit first | 17:42 |
| fungi | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/system-config/tree/playbooks/clouds_layouts.yml presumably | 17:43 |
| clarkb | looks right | 17:43 |
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| fungi | i also updated the entry in our encrypted creds master list to call the environment "limestone" instead of "continuous" | 17:44 |
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| clarkb | you may need to poke around tge cloud first to see which bits of that cloud config apply | 17:45 |
| clarkb | not all clouds have security groups for example | 17:45 |
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| dmsimard | ok, I'm back. I don't have a whole lot of time today but it's something I can continue hacking on later. Starting to look at it now. | 17:54 |
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| corvus | what's the skinny on the new env? | 17:55 |
| clarkb | corvus: logan- was kind enough to ask about giving us test cloud at the PTG and before I was even home I think had credentials ready for us | 17:55 |
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| clarkb | corvus: sounds like it would be a separate cloud from their main cloud but would give them feedback on how things are working as we thrash it | 17:56 |
| dmsimard | So if I look at what ianw did for Linaro... | 17:56 |
| clarkb | because infra is a such a good way to know if your cloud is working :) | 17:56 |
| logan- | :P yes thats the gist of it. I hope it will be useful as a feedback loop for improving OSA as we push upgrades into the mix, etc | 17:58 |
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| corvus | \o/ | 17:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/zuul master: Use bootstrap 3.1.1 instead of 3.3.7 https://review.openstack.org/551338 | 18:02 |
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| dmsimard | I think ianw's work for Linaro (in terms of adding the provider, not in terms of adding support for arm) mostly boils down to three reviews ? I know this is probably documented already but I'm drafting my own notes (I learn better that way) https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MDVPPYzhtQ | 18:07 |
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| persia | dmsimard: You'll also need to add it to project-config: https://review.openstack.org/546027 (although other providers are in nodepool.yaml rather than nb03.openstack.org.yaml because architectures) | 18:20 |
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| dmsimard | I have to step away slightly earlier than anticipated, I'll catch up in a few hours. | 18:24 |
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| fungi | i ended up on a conference call i'd forgotten about anyway | 18:29 |
| fungi | and need to grab a late lunch/early dinner once that wraps up | 18:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Tobias Henkel proposed openstack-infra/zuul master: Refactor load sensors into drivers https://review.openstack.org/549275 | 18:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Tobias Henkel proposed openstack-infra/zuul master: WIP: Add cgroup support to ram sensor https://review.openstack.org/549506 | 18:30 |
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| fungi | disappearing to find some food, back in a while | 19:15 |
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| clarkb | andreaf: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/551330/1 small but important typo noted there | 19:17 |
| clarkb | andreaf: I've +2'd the change to do multinode things though and am reading the docs changes now | 19:17 |
| clarkb | then its off to read zuul javascript things | 19:17 |
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| clarkb | andreaf: for the docs changes frickler has some great comments so I won't mark it up more. I think its largely ready once we clean that stuff up though | 19:53 |
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| andreaf | clarkb frickler cool thanks I will address all the comments and re-spin the docs changes | 20:00 |
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| mnaser | AJaeger: you have a +2 here but it looks like you're looking for a change to be made .. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/551268/ | 20:23 |
| mnaser | want to remove that in case someone maybe doesnt spot it in the comments | 20:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/zuul master: Serve the static files more dynamically https://review.openstack.org/551366 | 20:25 |
| andreaf | clarkb frickler all docs updated | 20:26 |
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| clarkb | andreaf: ok I'll take another look shortly | 21:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack-infra/system-config master: Update signing docs for Zuul v3 https://review.openstack.org/551376 | 21:40 |
| fungi | dmsimard|afk: ^ as discussed earlier in the release meeting | 21:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kendall Nelson proposed openstack-infra/storyboard master: Migration Error with Suspended User https://review.openstack.org/532706 | 21:48 |
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| clarkb | corvus: andreaf's devstack job changes in devstack I think are ready for second reviewer | 22:07 |
| clarkb | I'm chewing through the last doc change now (on migrating jobs) | 22:07 |
| clarkb | (though maybe this is best left for monday for approval because weekend) | 22:07 |
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| clarkb | fungi: your docs update to sytem-config failed on tox-linters running bashate. I guess thats a new job for system-cofnig? | 22:43 |
| clarkb | http://logs.openstack.org/76/551376/1/check/tox-linters/58f90af/job-output.txt.gz#_2018-03-09_21_43_36_600918 | 22:44 |
| clarkb | I'm working on a patch | 22:44 |
| fungi | oh, fun. thanks | 22:44 |
| fungi | i'm currently heads-down on a related project-config patch | 22:44 |
| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed openstack-infra/system-config master: Add newline to bash-history.sh https://review.openstack.org/551403 | 22:45 |
| clarkb | I think ^ is the quick fix | 22:45 |
| clarkb | all the warnings appear to be for line too long which I am less concerned about fixing | 22:46 |
| clarkb | infra-root review on 551403 ^ much appreciated so that we can land system-config changes again. Its not passed all tests but tox-linters has passed. | 22:49 |
| andreaf | clarkb looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/551367/ I would say the n-meta-api is needed - test that ssh into vms fail otherwise | 22:50 |
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| clarkb | andreaf: interesting, I guess my understanding of the required services is wrong then | 22:50 |
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| clarkb | or maybe that is how devstack sets it up | 22:51 |
| mordred | andreaf: ssh test can't use config-drive? | 22:51 |
| mordred | (it would be nice to at least have a provide that tests that a config-drive only cloud will work - but I understand if that's not how the tests work today) | 22:52 |
| clarkb | mordred: I want to say that multinode testing pushed us away from config drive because you couldn't do live migration with it | 22:52 |
| clarkb | but since then that has been fixed so a proper config drive only job is probably warranted | 22:52 |
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| mordred | clarkb: oh good. I was afraid at first that config-drive was dead as a concept due to live migration and I was going to have sads | 22:53 |
| andreaf | mordred, clarkb py3 test uses config drive https://github.com/openstack/tempest/blob/master/.zuul.yaml#L62 | 22:54 |
| mordred | cool | 22:54 |
| clarkb | but it doesn't disable metadata | 22:54 |
| clarkb | it probably should though | 22:54 |
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| andreaf | clarkb mordred well something may be missing because the py3 job fails when I disable n-meta-api | 23:00 |
| clarkb | oh I know what it is I think | 23:00 |
| clarkb | cirros doesn't support config drive | 23:00 |
| andreaf | clarkb mordred I wonder if that's about what cirros / cloud-init does | 23:01 |
| andreaf | clarkb heh faster | 23:01 |
| clarkb | ya cirros doesn't do real cloud-init | 23:01 |
| mordred | we should introduce cirros to glean | 23:01 |
| clarkb | maybe we can add in a simple config drive thing for it | 23:01 |
| clarkb | ya glean would work there probably | 23:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Replace Queens signing key with Rocky https://review.openstack.org/551406 | 23:05 |
| clarkb | it might be an interesting exercise to add alpine support to dib and see how small of an easily built image we could make | 23:08 |
| clarkb | but then we could quickly iterate on and modify the test image image potentially | 23:08 |
| clarkb | that said cirros is pretty tiny and reliable | 23:09 |
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| bkero- | kernel + built-in initrd + busybox? | 23:09 |
| bkero- | For cloud you should probably be able to get that to about 3mb | 23:09 |
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| bkero- | http://mgalgs.github.io/2015/05/16/how-to-build-a-custom-linux-kernel-for-qemu-2015-edition.html | 23:11 |
| clarkb | bkero-: plus a few utilities to check networking is working as expected (iirc busybox doesn't have all of them) and the thing to do host boot configuration (metadata or config drive) | 23:12 |
| bkero- | clarkb: busybox should have all those | 23:13 |
| clarkb | hrm maybe it was cirros build options excluding them then | 23:13 |
| bkero- | yeah | 23:13 |
| mordred | clarkb: I've been meaning to write a dib root element that would pull a given docker image and export it to get the root filesystem | 23:13 |
| bkero- | busybox has a whole menuconfig of cool crap that most builds turn off | 23:13 |
| clarkb | bkero-: in particular ipv6 variants of tools were missing for a while | 23:13 |
| bkero- | clarkb: I'm curious if that is still the case | 23:14 |
| clarkb | its not in cirros | 23:14 |
| bkero- | There is definitely a CONFIG_IPV6 | 23:14 |
| clarkb | but I'm not sure what the fix was could just be busybox build option | 23:14 |
| bkero- | busybox ping has a -6 option | 23:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/system-config master: Add newline to bash-history.sh https://review.openstack.org/551403 | 23:16 |
| fungi | modern ping just defaults to 6 any more | 23:18 |
| fungi | i've had to get used to doing `ping -4` when i'm particularly concerned with testing stone-age connectivity | 23:18 |
| fungi | clarkb: i just got a random e-mail from a "John Studarus" at packethost offering us resources | 23:20 |
| persia | busybox is aging: http://www.landley.net/toybox/ isn't ready, but if folk are thinking about improving things, that might be as useful as hacking on busybox | 23:20 |
| fungi | clarkb: i'll follow up over the weekend, but i guess we're looking for another volunteer to set up nodepool connectivity ;) | 23:20 |
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| bkero- | Toybox was mostly a BSD alternative so that the Android folks didn't have to FUD about licensing | 23:21 |
| bkero- | It's still lacking in almost every way | 23:21 |
| bkero- | One version I tried didn't have a 'cp' command. I had to cat files around. | 23:21 |
| bkero- | (Busybox is GPLv2) | 23:21 |
| persia | bkero-: All true. I just haven't seem much change to busbox since Rob decided not to work on it anymore. | 23:21 |
| clarkb | fungi: cool maybe frickler will want to take on that one | 23:21 |
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| fungi | clarkb: ianw: https://github.com/pypa/pip/issues/4805 indicates pip maintainers might consider reviewing a last-minute option to ignore non-uninstallable distutils-based packages on upgrade if someone were to propose one | 23:22 |
| bkero- | persia: It seems to have a fairly active git tree. https://git.busybox.net/busybox/log/ | 23:22 |
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| persia | bkero-: Thanks for the update: my information is clearly out of date :) | 23:23 |
| bkero- | Although I haven't read their changelogs. Maybe it's just preventing bitrot instead of adding new features. | 23:23 |
| clarkb | fungi: any idea if thats a get it written this weekend timeframe? | 23:24 |
| clarkb | considering my other pip fix is still in limbo I'm not sure I want to rush to try and get another fix in anytime soon :/ | 23:24 |
| fungi | clarkb: no clue. i doubt pip 10 is getting finalized this weekend, but probably "soon" | 23:24 |
| clarkb | sometimes I wonder if our review rtts are really bad then I psuh code to other projects and find out no its just everyone | 23:25 |
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| clarkb | fungi: ianw: next week I'll probably start by trying to get my existing bug fix in front of people for rereview | 23:28 |
| clarkb | and maybe we can work together on getting something together for the distutils uninstall problem | 23:28 |
| persia | clarkb: My experience is that OpenStack is faster than anything else with more than 5 active developers, unless the change ages enough to drop off the first page of open changes for a project, at which point it seems to go into limbo unless referenced in meetings or such. | 23:28 |
| clarkb | persia: ya I think general review responsiveness is a problem everywhere and I know we lose projects to limbo space as well | 23:29 |
| clarkb | a lot of it feels like a tool deficiency. I don't think github or gerrit or anything else I've used really help much here | 23:29 |
| clarkb | but also just a pure lack of time | 23:29 |
| fungi | persia: so the torch-wielding mobs complaining that we don't review their patches simply don't know how good they've got it? ;) | 23:29 |
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| clarkb | in my limbo patch case I think ci failed for unrelated reasons which -1'd it but there isn't a clear way to get the results to refresh | 23:30 |
| clarkb | (whcih in fairness is also convoluted with our gerrit + zuul) | 23:30 |
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| fungi | well, i'm at least finished wrestling key rotation and knocking off for the day | 23:31 |
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| persia | fungi: Yes, although in fairness, lots of patches get a quick review and then rot for merge, especially if the relevant codebase is moving quickly. Larger projects seem to have a harder time collecting sufficient +2s before the rebase is complex enough to require resubmission. | 23:32 |
| clarkb | I'll probably end up rebasing it and pushing it again to have jobs run against it again | 23:32 |
| fungi | infra-root: if you get bored, https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xc31292066be772022438222c184fd3e1edf21a78&fingerprint=on is our rocky cycle signing key, feel free to follow https://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/signing.html#attestation to attest to it, but make note of my https://review.openstack.org/551376 update to that documentation which may not have merged by the | 23:33 |
| fungi | time you get to looking at it | 23:33 |
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