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| rm_work | blogan_: ooh, fancy, a new update | 06:36 |
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| balles | morning | 14:44 |
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| blogan_ | dougwig: awesome! | 15:15 |
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| dougwig | quick poll among those awake, the module that deals with the octavia backend vms/containers & their controller drivers. naming poll: vm, backend, appliance, container, other? | 15:29 |
| dougwig | brandon also suggested device, though i think that is too overloaded a term. | 15:29 |
| dougwig | i like vm or container. | 15:29 |
| dougwig | i don't have a strong opinion. | 15:30 |
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| blogan_ | i am fine with any of those | 15:32 |
| blogan_ | (except vm of course) | 15:32 |
| blogan_ | though container could be misinterpreted as soemthing like lxc | 15:33 |
| TrevorV | dougwig, I'd say backend makes more sense than those. | 15:35 |
| TrevorV | For a generalization I mean | 15:35 |
| dougwig | note that i really need two, as the directory will be A/drivers, A/B, e.g. vm/drivers (python code for controller), vm/backend (the actual image builder or link or whatnot), so the two need to hang together nicely. | 15:37 |
| dougwig | container/backend, container/drivers.... backend/drivers, backend/appliances..... backend/drivers, backend/containers. | 15:37 |
| blogan_ | what about node? | 15:38 |
| dougwig | where are our jenkins jobs defined? is that in infra somewhere? | 15:38 |
| blogan_ | since we've active node and spare nodes have been defined in the specs | 15:39 |
| blogan_ | no idea on the jenkins job | 15:39 |
| blogan_ | node/backend node/driver | 15:44 |
| blogan_ | which ever we choose, we should make the names match between the "spare node pool" and the directory | 15:45 |
| blogan_ | meaning if we choose appliance we should then rename active nodes to active appliances, etc | 15:45 |
| dougwig | i like node better | 15:49 |
| TrevorV | dougwig, blogan_ I agree on node as well | 15:54 |
| blogan_ | excellent | 15:54 |
| blogan_ | we have a minor quorum | 15:54 |
| sbalukoff1 | node doesn't seem descriptive enough to me. It's one of those over-used terms in this space like 'server' or 'cluster' | 16:06 |
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| sbalukoff1 | I like backend better. | 16:06 |
| sbalukoff1 | Or, we should just love it and squeeze it and call it George. | 16:07 |
| sbalukoff1 | Or, appliance | 16:08 |
| blogan_ | you would come in and throw a wrench in | 16:08 |
| blogan_ | your vote is null and void | 16:09 |
| blogan_ | appliance will be fine, but I would argue we should start calling them active appliances and spare appliance pool | 16:10 |
| blogan_ | i know dougwig doesn't like it, but i liked device the most :( | 16:12 |
| blogan_ | i know! contraption! | 16:12 |
| dougwig | network management background. device is so overused it drives me batty. | 16:13 |
| blogan_ | nmb | 16:14 |
| blogan_ | dougwig: would you call a computer a device? | 16:17 |
| dougwig | or a phone, or a server, or a client, or a toaster. | 16:17 |
| dougwig | some terms are just *too* generic. device, object, thing, item. | 16:17 |
| dougwig | major update imminent. i'll upload with node, and let the larger quorum debate in gerrit. | 16:22 |
| dougwig | sbalukoff1: where are the jenkins jobs configured? | 16:22 |
| dougwig | does anyone else go batty from the opaque errors from testr? | 16:29 |
| dougwig | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/hnGgo1uY | 16:29 |
| blogan_ | i do! | 16:32 |
| blogan_ | like when it just spits out the entire list of tests it runs | 16:32 |
| sbalukoff1 | thingy | 16:35 |
| sbalukoff1 | dougwig: I'm not sure at present | 16:35 |
| dougwig | i found it. | 16:35 |
| dougwig | i have pep8 fixed, we'll see what happens with py33 on the next upload. | 16:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Wiegley proposed a change to stackforge/octavia: Initial directory skeleton https://review.openstack.org/117701 | 16:40 |
| sbalukoff1 | Awesome. I have to commute into the office, then I'll be looking at that and the comments you left on the v0.5 design last night (will be uploading an updated version of the latter). | 16:42 |
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| xgerman | guys, I am confused so meestery is saying: | 16:49 |
| xgerman | 1) We deprecate LBaaS v1 per Mark | 16:49 |
| xgerman | 2) We mobe LBaaS v2 in incubator | 16:49 |
| xgerman | 3) We soin it out of Neutron and make it a stack forge project | 16:50 |
| xgerman | 4) There is no official Neutron LBaaS any longer? | 16:50 |
| xgerman | or OpenStack Lbaas?? | 16:50 |
| dougwig | i expect that what we'll want to push for (around K or L), is to live in the incubator until we can arrange to spin directly into OS incubation. | 16:56 |
| dougwig | there's too much uncertainty to worry much right now. | 16:56 |
| balles | xgerman I agree with you. I am not longer sure where this project is going | 16:59 |
| balles | mestery, Can you respond to german email on the ML? | 17:00 |
| balles | dougwig, you are sayign Neutron lBaaS v2 in Neutron incubation. Rigth? | 17:01 |
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| balles | dougwig, with some primitive driver as reference implementation? | 17:01 |
| dougwig | balles: what i think the strategy should be: v2 into neutron incubator, percolate there, in the K timeframe take a look at how it's been working and whether spin-out or neutron makes sense, if its' spin-out (likely), then we leave the shipping stuff in the neutron incubator while we prep stackforge, submit for incubation, and keep it parallel until we can | 17:03 |
| dougwig | get officially incubated. i don't know if that will fly, but it seems like lbaas has been around for too long with users to have it go through a period of pure limbo in-between the neutron incubator and openstack incubators. | 17:03 |
| mestery | balles: Will do | 17:03 |
| dougwig | note that i'm just guessing, and i'm hoping mestery has a plan for us that doesn't involve leaving the operators with the risk of being in then out then in. | 17:04 |
| dougwig | in large part, i have to believe that us making something good and scalable is more important than worrying about the process. perhaps i'm naive. :) | 17:05 |
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| balles | dougwig, let's see what mestery is saying on the ML. In the end the goal is to have an OpenStack LBaaS that meet our requirements. I would just like to understand how we get there. | 17:09 |
| balles | dougwig, and I do agree with you that Neutron LBaaS has been around for a while and shouldn;t be put in no-man's land (not an openstack project) | 17:10 |
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| dougwig | woohoo, tox passing. | 17:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Wiegley proposed a change to stackforge/octavia: Initial directory skeleton https://review.openstack.org/117701 | 18:05 |
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| blogan_ | dustin made a good observation about the apache license header we need in our code. I've just been puting Copyright Octavia but I don't think that does exist (though I do remember Stephen doing something at the hackathon to get that locked in, but that might have been something else) | 18:21 |
| blogan_ | I don't think putting company names is a good solution | 18:21 |
| sbalukoff | Perhaps attribute it to the OpenStack Foundation? | 18:22 |
| sbalukoff | Otherwise I don't really see a problem putting your company name in there. | 18:23 |
| blogan_ | i was thinking that, but its not openstack yet so would that be appropriate? | 18:23 |
| sbalukoff | At the hackathon, I submitted a trademark request for "Octavia" | 18:23 |
| blogan_ | tahts what it was | 18:23 |
| balles | we should checkout what the other stackforge projects are doing | 18:23 |
| sbalukoff | The USPTO is still evaluating that application (these things take many months), so we don't know if we're going to get it, though it's a good first step. | 18:23 |
| blogan_ | well i believe libra puts HP, but that makes sense since they are the maintainers of it | 18:24 |
| sbalukoff | But I don't see "Octavia" being more than a trademark-- I don't think anyone has a plan to start up an organization here called "Octavia" | 18:24 |
| sbalukoff | balles: +1 | 18:24 |
| sbalukoff | Looks like other projects have just been using the company name the individual developers have been working for at the time. | 18:25 |
| blogan_ | but are those projects multi-company? | 18:25 |
| balles | sbalukoff, yeah that's what I figured | 18:25 |
| sbalukoff | Or the "OpenStack Foundation' | 18:25 |
| sbalukoff | I'm finding licenses with both. | 18:25 |
| blogan_ | looks like manila is doing openstack foundation | 18:26 |
| blogan_ | or openstack LLC | 18:26 |
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| blogan_ | or united state government | 18:26 |
| sbalukoff | I think it's actually called "OpenStack Foundation" | 18:26 |
| sbalukoff | I think that's how it's incorporated. | 18:26 |
| sbalukoff | So, let's go with "OpenStack Foundation" | 18:26 |
| blogan_ | good by me | 18:27 |
| blogan_ | with some feelings of uneasiness, but not a big deal | 18:27 |
| blogan_ | i mean what if openstack comes in and says they own it and then they incubate us? | 18:27 |
| sbalukoff | That would be so, so terrible. | 18:28 |
| sbalukoff | I might cry tears of joy. | 18:28 |
| balles | sbalukoff, we'll have to run this by our IP attorney. HP has rules around what we can and cannot do. Of course ts is only for the HP contributions | 18:28 |
| sbalukoff | balles: As long as we can use any code you write using an unencumbered Apache lincense, I don't really care which company name is in the header. | 18:28 |
| sbalukoff | If you can't contribute code under such a license... what are you doing here? ;) | 18:28 |
| balles | sbalukoff, apache 2 is a must for us. | 18:29 |
| sbalukoff | Yep, for us, too. | 18:29 |
| balles | Apache 2 is fine for us. It is just the copyright where we need to use the HP template. | 18:29 |
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| blogan_ | balles: how does that work when you are updating a module that already exists and has another company's header? | 18:30 |
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| balles | blogan_, I think it depends on how much you change/add. I did a grep on neutron just for fun and as you can see several files have several copyrights in it. | 18:36 |
| balles | #!/usr/bin/env python | 18:36 |
| balles | # Copyright 2010 United States Government as represented by the | 18:36 |
| balles | # Administrator of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. | 18:36 |
| balles | # All Rights Reserved. | 18:36 |
| balles | # | 18:36 |
| balles | # Copyright 2010 OpenStack Foundation. | 18:36 |
| balles | # Copyright 2013 IBM Corp. | 18:36 |
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| balles | other examples: | 18:37 |
| balles | neutron/hooks.py:# Copyright 2013 Hewlett-Packard Development Company, L.P. | 18:37 |
| balles | neutron/__init__.py:# Copyright 2011 OpenStack Foundation | 18:37 |
| balles | grep: neutron/locale: Is a directory | 18:37 |
| balles | neutron/manager.py:# Copyright 2011 VMware, Inc | 18:37 |
| balles | neutron/neutron_plugin_base_v2.py:# Copyright 2011 VMware, Inc. | 18:37 |
| balles | grep: neutron/notifiers: Is a directory | 18:37 |
| balles | grep: neutron/openstack: Is a directory | 18:37 |
| balles | grep: neutron/plugins: Is a directory | 18:37 |
| balles | neutron/policy.py:# Copyright (c) 2012 OpenStack Foundation. | 18:37 |
| balles | neutron/quota.py:# Copyright 2011 OpenStack Foundation | 18:37 |
| balles | grep: neutron/scheduler: Is a directory | 18:37 |
| balles | grep: neutron/server: Is a directory | 18:37 |
| balles | neutron/service.py:# Copyright 2011 VMware, Inc | 18:37 |
| balles | grep: neutron/services: Is a directory | 18:37 |
| balles | grep: neutron/tests: Is a directory | 18:37 |
| balles | neutron/version.py:# Copyright 2011 OpenStack Foundation | 18:37 |
| balles | neutron/wsgi.py:# Copyright 2011 OpenStack Foundation. | 18:37 |
| balles | grep: rally-scenarios/plugins: Is a directory | 18:37 |
| balles | tools/check_i18n.py:# Copyright 2012 OpenStack Foundation | 18:37 |
| balles | tools/install_venv_common.py:# Copyright 2013 OpenStack Foundation | 18:38 |
| balles | tools/install_venv_common.py:# Copyright 2013 IBM Corp. | 18:38 |
| balles | tools/install_venv.py:# Copyright 2010 United States Government as represented by the | 18:38 |
| balles | tools/install_venv.py:# Copyright 2010 OpenStack Foundation. | 18:38 |
| balles | tools/install_venv.py:# Copyright 2013 IBM Corp. | 18:38 |
| balles | tools/with_venv.sh:# Copyright 2011 OpenStack Foundation. | 18:38 |
| balles | blogan_, have you checked with the RAX lawyers to see if you have a best practices around Copyrights? | 18:38 |
| blogan_ | and the fact that its not consistent just bothers me | 18:38 |
| blogan_ | i've asked managers and they say openstack foundation is fine, but im sure they didn't actaully consult with any of the rax lawyers | 18:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Brandon Logan proposed a change to stackforge/octavia: Initial migration for database structure https://review.openstack.org/114671 | 18:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stephen Balukoff proposed a change to stackforge/octavia: Octavia v0.5 component design https://review.openstack.org/113458 | 18:58 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, gotta go AFK for a bit. Will be back in about 1.5 hours. | 18:59 |
| sbalukoff | Also Doug: I will see about updating the diagram to show the 'VM Driver' or what have you in the v0.5 design later today. I think it's worthwhile to make note of that component. | 19:00 |
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| sbalukoff | I should probably add a section in the design document talking about the VM driver too. | 19:01 |
| sbalukoff | Ugh. | 19:01 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, so don't merge that yet. | 19:01 |
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| dougwig | Copyright should be the entity you represent, or yourself. your openstack agreement assigns it to openstack. if modifying a file, add yourself. if modifying and the date is old, extend it. I don't think we have the legal right to assign openstack foundation copyrights directly. | 19:04 |
| openstackgerrit | Trevor Vardeman proposed a change to stackforge/octavia: Initial creation of db models, modules, and tests https://review.openstack.org/116718 | 19:06 |
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| dougwig | jenkins fix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117868 | 19:39 |
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| blogan_ | well I believe we should just put the company we represent at the top then | 19:48 |
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| dougwig | i think all of us likely have intellectual property assignments with our companies, so we HAVE to use our company, and then our OS agreement transfers it to them. | 19:54 |
| blogan_ | i'm sure you're right, i just don't have the expertise in this area | 19:59 |
| dougwig | expertise in this area kills brain cells. | 20:00 |
| blogan_ | im sure i've killed my fair share of brain cells | 20:05 |
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