Thursday, 2014-12-18

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openstackgerritBrandon Logan proposed stackforge/octavia: Spec defining the networking driver interface  https://review.openstack.org/13549500:21
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openstackgerritPaul Michali proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas: LBaaS: Unit tests using policy.conf  https://review.openstack.org/14261900:23
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blogan_crc32: hey00:56
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openstackgerritmin wang proposed stackforge/octavia: amphora driver interface v0.5 changes  https://review.openstack.org/14194801:07
openstackgerritAdam Harwell proposed stackforge/octavia: Add PK and CSR generation to Certificate Interface  https://review.openstack.org/14262801:12
openstackgerritAdam Harwell proposed stackforge/octavia: Update certificate generator implementations  https://review.openstack.org/14262901:12
openstackgerritmin wang proposed stackforge/octavia: amphora driver interface v0.5 changes  https://review.openstack.org/14194801:13
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openstackgerritAl Miller proposed stackforge/octavia: Interface specification for housekeeping manager  https://review.openstack.org/14263301:17
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openstackgerritBrandon Logan proposed stackforge/octavia: Spec defining the networking driver interface  https://review.openstack.org/13549505:29
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openstackgerritGerman Eichberger proposed stackforge/octavia: adding some utils for taskflow adding some example flows to iterate on  https://review.openstack.org/14256906:11
openstackgerritGerman Eichberger proposed stackforge/octavia: adding some utils for taskflow adding some example flows to iterate on  https://review.openstack.org/14256906:11
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openstackgerritIhar Hrachyshka proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas: Moved lbaas-haproxy.filters from main neutron repo  https://review.openstack.org/14275312:24
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openstackgerritKyle Mestery proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas: Update the README file  https://review.openstack.org/14280714:46
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openstackgerritKyle Mestery proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas: Update documentation files for LBaaS  https://review.openstack.org/14280715:09
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TrevorV_ptoohill, you active yet?15:18
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openstackgerritKyle Mestery proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas: Update documentation files for LBaaS  https://review.openstack.org/14280716:05
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TrevorV_Who is up and around in the HP office this morning?16:50
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johnsomJust HP folks so far...16:55
TrevorV_That's all good johnsom16:58
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johnsomAdam and Stephen has joined the party17:02
johnsomhas/have, it's all the same when you have barely had your coffee17:02
TrevorV_johnsom, if you could get adam to set up his vidyo hookup, I'm ready and waiting :D17:02
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johnsomHe is cabling it up now17:04
TrevorV_Awesome thanks!17:04
TrevorV_By the way, I don't like the way graphviz is making these graphs... and I can't see another way to do it :(17:04
johnsomYeah, I had similar disappointment when trying to implement them in graphviz17:04
johnsomFolks have mentioned blockdiag, but I have not tried it yet17:05
TrevorV_sbalukoff, Its a studio microphone I use for when I'm streaming my gaming17:06
sbalukoffNice17:07
ptoohillSuitcase full of hats?17:07
ptoohill:P17:07
TrevorV_johnsom, blockdiag is more limited in functionality, I was checking into that one first per adam's preference17:07
sbalukoffptoohill-- I'm local. I have an entire closet full of hats.17:07
johnsomBummer17:07
ptoohillNice :D17:07
TrevorV_For all:  I'm hoping to have the diagrams finished this afternoon17:08
TrevorV_I mean the diagrams re-made in graphviz, since they're already "done" ya know?17:08
dougwigmorning all17:09
TrevorV_dougwig, correct me if I'm wrong, you're at home now right?17:09
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dougwigright17:10
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TrevorV_rm_work, blogan should still be there right?17:12
ptoohillblogan bailed?17:12
TrevorV_I was under the impression blogan was going to be back tomorrow, leaving tonight, not last night17:12
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BharathHi everyone.. This is Bharath... I graduated yesterday and will be joining HP, LBaaS team, in the last week of January..17:14
BharathIn the process of understanding what's been done in Octavia till date...17:15
ptoohillHello!17:15
ptoohillWelcome to madness!17:15
BharathSusanne, could you provide me the links we discussed17:15
ptoohilljk, its not that bad17:16
ptoohillYou wouldnt want me to display video17:16
rm_workTrevorV_: blogan left this morning17:16
BharathThanks Phil.17:17
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jorgemrm_work: He's flying out right now?17:19
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TrevorV_Ooooh rm_work I thought it was an evening flight17:21
TrevorV_My bad17:21
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openstackgerritmin wang proposed stackforge/octavia: amphora driver interface v0.5 changes  https://review.openstack.org/14194817:28
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rm_workjorgem: yeah he should land at like... 4pm your time, i think17:34
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rm_workmaybe 4:3017:34
openstackgerritAdam Harwell proposed stackforge/octavia: Add Cert+PK generation to Certificate Interface  https://review.openstack.org/14262817:41
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TrevorV_Okay, does anyone know how to do boxes like we have in the heartbeat workflow diagram?  3 stacked boxes type of thing to define "unkown number of these" type of thing?17:41
TrevorV_In graphviz I mean?17:41
johnsomI think sbalukoff knows the most about graphviz.  Or at least he advocates it17:43
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TrevorV_thanks johnsom17:43
TrevorV_sbalukoff, my man, how do I make stacked boxes in graphviz?17:43
sbalukoffTrevorV_: You mean, like in a block (ie. akin to an HTML table)?17:44
TrevorV_No, like in my diagram for heartbeat17:44
TrevorV_https://drive.draw.io/#G0BwuszeFIBGUsZmdWbUFaaE05Ylk17:45
TrevorV_second diagram, "controller" boxes.17:45
sbalukoffSo, that isn't loading for me for whatever reason. But I suspect you want to do something like what's in doc/source/design/version0.5/v0.5-component-design.dot17:47
TrevorV_I'll take a look17:47
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xgermanblogan  Happy Birthday!!17:48
TrevorV_xgerman, he's not online :D17:48
TrevorV_That's the bouncer we have set up :)17:48
xgermanso he didn't spring for the plane wireless17:48
xgerman:-(17:49
TrevorV_I'm not sure about that, but if he did I'm not sure where he's at at this point :)17:49
TrevorV_sbalukoff, you shoving HTML down the throat of the "label" attribute in graphviz?17:51
sbalukoffContrary to popular belief, I'm not actually a graphviz guru-- there might be a better way to do this, but this worked.17:52
TrevorV_I believe it would work fine, I was just wondering if that's what that was or if those tags meant something specific to graphviz17:52
TrevorV_:D17:52
sbalukoffAnd again, if you have a better graphing tool which meets the three criteria I've given now several times, please by all means use it and quit whining about graphviz. :P17:53
TrevorV_sbalukoff, what is your email?  I'll send you an image of what I need17:53
sbalukoffsbalukoff@bluebox.net17:53
TrevorV_Thanks, I sent it.17:55
TrevorV_Put a small message in it too sballe17:55
TrevorV_sbalukoff, *** not sballe sorry :D17:55
sbalukoffWell, the graphviz won't look exactly like that.18:00
sbalukoffIn any case.18:00
sbalukoffI highly recommend reading about "rank" and looking through some of  the examples on this page: http://www.graphviz.org/doc/info/shapes.html18:01
TrevorV_I'll take a look.  I had seen this link at one point but not seeing anything to specifically stack boxes on top of each other I just closed it.18:02
TrevorV_I'll read it thoroughly, thanks18:02
sbalukoffAre you talking about the 'Controller A', 'Controller B', 'Controller Z' part of the second graph you sent me?18:03
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sbalukoffOr the first graph where you have 'Controller', and "on top of" that you have 'Amphora Driver' and on top of that, the various sub-components of the driver?18:05
sbalukoffBecause the former you can "fake" with HTML tables, as I have done in the previously linked component design document, and the latter can be done with sub-graphs.18:05
ptoohillThink hes having trouble creating the controller box with everything in it18:05
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sbalukoffRight. So, take a look at the document I linked because it also uses sub-graphs.18:07
sbalukoffI did have to tweak graphviz's nipples to get it to do what I wanted there--  it is by no means a perfect tool for this sort of thing. But, I *really* don't want to see png files committed for graphs because nobody but the original author can change them.18:08
sbalukoff(And because you can't effectively review changes)18:08
TrevorV_sbalukoff, No no, the box with everything in it I have down pretty good.  I finished the top diagram I sent you, the one I'm working on now is the workflow one.  I was talking about the Controller A, B, then Z stack.18:13
TrevorV_I see what you did in the component design.18:13
TrevorV_I was just looking through it.18:13
sbalukoffI think the GraphViz guys decided that if there's a very specific look you're gong for for a collection of boxy structures, that html tables already had a pretty good description language to handle this, and including an html rendering library was easy-- so...  that's got that functionality covered. Even if it's clunky. :P18:16
TrevorV_Yeah, but I think I'd have just made a node type for it.  like "boxstack" or something, and just make it a box like we want... Just treat the front box as the right box, and the rest is just design or something, ya know?18:17
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TrevorV_They also didn't include a box type for "database" which also kinda stinks, but eh18:17
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sbalukoffI agree.18:17
sbalukoffIt's annoying not to have a large library of shapes.18:18
TrevorV_Right, that, so far, is my only complaint outside of not being allowed to do it by hand :P18:18
sbalukoffBut I hear it's an open source project...  I'd be willing to bet they'd entertain a patch. ;_18:18
sbalukoff;)18:18
TrevorV_That18:18
TrevorV_that's fair***18:18
openstackgerritGerman Eichberger proposed stackforge/octavia: updates the spec with the lastest from the midcycle * remove getHealth, getStats * add getConfiguration * remove some unneeded exceptions * make several calls return task flow   flows  https://review.openstack.org/14253718:18
rm_workmwang2: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwuszeFIBGUsZmdWbUFaaE05Ylk/view?usp=sharing18:19
crc32dougwig: Should we be adding a dependency to neutron for neutron-lbaas? Right now neutron-lbaas only depends on nuetrons python client so I don't get access to neutrons code. For example I wanted to use neutrons exceptions classes.18:20
crc32Or should I just create my own Exception classes?18:21
TrevorV_rm_work, which one?18:24
rm_workTrevorV_: ?18:24
TrevorV_I heard you say "I think trevor was working on..... *muffled stuffs*"18:25
rm_workgraphviz of the draw.io stuff18:25
rm_worklike the one i just linked to min18:25
openstackgerritGerman Eichberger proposed stackforge/octavia: updates the spec  https://review.openstack.org/14253718:26
TrevorV_Yeah, I'm doing graphviz of all the ones I created in draw.io18:26
rm_workyeah that is what I thought18:26
TrevorV_Including the two on the page you linked for mwang218:26
sbalukoffI would absolutely love it if someone came up with a better tool than GraphViz which meets the three criteria for graphs.18:27
crc32rm_work: Should neutron-lbaas include a dependency to neutron? Right now neutron-lbaas is dependending on the neutron python client only so I don't get access to neutrons exceptions module from neutron-lbaas.18:28
rm_workcrc32: I guess we should probably have our own common/exceptions.py with an OctaviaException base class (like NeutronException)18:28
crc32rm_work: Or should I create my own NeutronLbaasBaseException blass now.18:29
TrevorV_rm_work, is mwang2 duplicating work efforts accidentally?18:29
crc32Ok. I was thinking we would be extending Neutron exceptions but I'll go with this.18:29
crc32rm_work: speaking of is dougwig around?18:30
rm_workcrc32: he left yesterday18:30
rm_workTrevorV_: possibly18:31
TrevorV_crc32, dougwig was online this morning already, should be around somewhere18:31
rm_workTrevorV / mwang2: you guys should probably coordinate18:31
crc32ok I'll throw up a simple BaseExceptionClass and fill it in later when we get a better idea of what it should look like. Nuetron had some exception utilities that I won't have access to in neutron-lbaas as we are not depending on the neutron code directly. :/18:32
rm_workbecause it seems like you might both be trying to graphviz the same diagrms18:32
TrevorV_rm_work, Yeah, hence me still pinging her name here... paging mwang218:32
rm_workcrc32: you should be able to model it pretty closely on the Neutron base exception class, just replace Neutron with Octavia... not sure what it had that was really specific to neutron18:32
xgermanhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/octavia-kilo-meetup18:32
TrevorV_rm_work, ask her in person... you're all there... get her to ping me in IRC lulz18:33
mwang2ok18:34
crc32send a paper airplane acorss the table.18:34
crc32like in high school.18:35
TrevorV_PS. Lunching18:36
TrevorV_I meant I'm eating whilst working right now :D18:37
TrevorV_heh, rm_work helping her work on what I'm doing already :P18:38
ptoohillrm_work is also talking to me now :)18:38
ptoohill:P18:38
ptoohilllol18:39
sballeTrevorV_: where do I get access to the diagrams you created durign the Octavia hackathon?18:40
rm_worksballe: both are linked from the notes-etherpad from the 16th18:40
TrevorV_sballe, I have mine linked in the etherpad, but if you're talking about the ability to view them, if you have a google account it should work already18:41
TrevorV_rm_work, I linked them in the original "hackathon" etherpad period18:41
rm_workok18:41
sballethx18:41
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rm_workhttp://doc.devpi.net/latest/quickstart-pypimirror.html18:44
crc32rm_work: Ok so I'm just gonna use plain old base exceptions. Cause neutron exceptions are tangled up in a logging excutils code orgy that I don't feel ready to untangling at this point.18:48
openstackgerritMerged openstack/neutron-lbaas: Update documentation files for LBaaS  https://review.openstack.org/14280718:57
rm_workjkoelker: the HP networking guys are interested in the stuff you guys are working on for FLIPs, and were hoping you could come to their L3 meetings at 1500 UTC on Thursdays (though I think that is already past today? and probably won't be another meeting until January)18:59
jkoelkerrm_work, yea i've been missing it, but reading the scrollback19:00
rm_workjkoelker: ok, just a heads up from the HP guys here :)19:00
jkoelkertotes19:00
jkoelker0900 is like early and stuff19:00
openstackgerritAdam Harwell proposed stackforge/octavia: Add Cert+PK generation to Certificate Interface  https://review.openstack.org/14262819:00
openstackgerritAdam Harwell proposed stackforge/octavia: Update certificate generator implementations  https://review.openstack.org/14262919:00
rm_workjkoelker: yeah T_T19:01
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ptoohillbbiab19:02
crc32Oh adam on your local.py imple for cert generation can you change the names '"ca_cert -> ca_pem" and "lo_cert" -> "ca_cert". other wise it almost looks like the the new_cert is a self signed cert when you call "new_cert.set_issuer(lo_cert.get_subject())"19:04
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crc32Would renaming lo_cert -> ca_x509 be acceptable to you since it looks like your trying to preserve the name "ca_cert" on the function parameter line.19:06
rm_workhold on, looking19:14
rm_workI mean, those don't really matter a whole lot, they're for testability only, not visible in the interface19:15
rm_workbut if it matters a LOT to you, i guess i could change it? i don't care a whole lot19:16
rm_workit's an internal variable name <_<19:16
crc32ok. I withdraw my request. :/19:19
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jorgemcrc32: https://github.com/stackforge/octavia19:32
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crc32Wow I'm getting all kinds of audio echo.19:50
TrevorV_controller dot:   https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HTIN2k9jNdolLasaAbodkbp2gvTmMebEayRn7A0MUM0/edit19:53
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blogan_hello19:54
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blogan_xgerman: ping19:59
xgermanHi. Happy b-day19:59
blogan_thanks!19:59
blogan_xgerman: so i don't think any drivers should be aware of how their methods are being called20:00
xgermanthey should be20:01
xgermanso they can decide how to retry and how ro revert20:01
blogan_xgerman: so if we need drivers to define a rollback method then thats fine, but to tightly couple them with taskflow i think is a mistake20:01
xgermanso you think we should invent an Octavia flow?20:01
xgermanbecause a driver might have more than one task to achieve its goal20:02
blogan_so it should be that drivers responsibility to decide how to accomplish those tasks20:03
blogan_let me do some more research on it though, im just immediately responding to your comment20:03
blogan_though i don't think requiring the drivers to implement taskflow is a good idea, that should be the driver writer's discretion20:04
xgermanyeah, I see value into forcing them to adopt taskflow and that's what ML2 is forcing thir driver people to do20:04
sbalukoffI understand the roll-back capabilities of task flow get us a couple things: 1. It forces driver writers to actually think about how multi-step operations can be rolled back. 2. It allows us to have fairly complicated non-atomic workflows and still end up in states we can handle even when there are unexpected errors.20:05
sbalukoffWhether that means we want drivers to be aware of how they're being called... I don't have a strong opinion on.20:05
xgermanin any case we can vote on it next year --20:06
xgerman:-)20:06
sbalukoffHAHA20:06
blogan_lets vote on my next birthday!20:08
sbalukoffThat might be a little late for our purposes.20:08
xgermanlol20:08
sbalukoffHappy birthday, by the way. :D20:08
blogan_my birthday is once a month, i come from a planet that did a full orbit around its star in one month20:09
blogan_sbalukoff: thanks20:09
sbalukoffblogan: You realize you just admitted to being really, really old.20:09
sbalukoffI'm going to start calling you Grandpa now.20:10
blogan_actually i havent even been born yet, i traveled through a blackhole to get here20:10
xgermansoudns like a planet where science doesn't exist20:12
TrevorV_sbalukoff, I did some minor changes to your HTML table to denote the multiple boxes thing.  I hope it will work20:12
TrevorV_I mean to denote the stacked boxes thing20:13
sbalukoffTrevorV_: If it looks good rendered, I'm happy.20:13
blogan_xgerman: science in the sixth dimension does exist! you puny 4 dimensional beings wouldn't understand20:14
TrevorV_Sounds good, hopefully I can get you an image of it at some point soonish, that way you can judge for yourself, yeah?20:14
markmcclainso follow up item from this week: we'll be working on making the rug more generic20:18
markmcclainto help bootstrap amp management20:18
openstackgerritMichael Johnson proposed stackforge/octavia: Octavia Controller specification  https://review.openstack.org/13654020:19
TrevorV_muted you all for the lunch break20:20
rm_workmarkmcclain: the rug?20:20
openstackgerritAdam Harwell proposed stackforge/octavia: Add Cert+PK generation to Certificate Interface  https://review.openstack.org/14262820:21
openstackgerritAdam Harwell proposed stackforge/octavia: Update certificate generator implementations  https://review.openstack.org/14262920:21
blogan_rm_work: their nova orchestration code20:22
rm_workah20:23
xgermanyep, https://github.com/dreamhost/akanda-rug/blob/master/doc/source/state_machine.rst20:23
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openstackgerritGerman Eichberger proposed stackforge/octavia: taskflow  https://review.openstack.org/14256920:41
dougwigcrc32: you can freely import neutron from neutron-lbaas20:48
rm_workwell alright then20:49
sbalukoffspeak of the devil!20:50
crc32dougwig: was this included in the requirments.txt? Yesterday I coulden't import those packages. I'll look again20:50
dougwigyep, last line. though at infra's direction, that line is being removed, and it's going to be an implicit requirement.20:51
crc32implicit? You mean like every one is required to manually install it?20:57
rm_workthat sounds kinda dumb <_<20:58
rm_workbut i guess it makes sense20:58
rm_workbecause you don't want neutron to get pulled down as part of your plugin install in a deployment20:59
blogan_yep21:01
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crc32Cool trev. A pop filtered mic. Too bad we didn't hav this during lunch21:13
TrevorV_Yeah, I know what you mean21:13
TrevorV_I didn't mean to have my camera on again21:13
TrevorV_Sittin here in PJs :D21:14
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openstackgerritGerman Eichberger proposed stackforge/octavia: updates the spec  https://review.openstack.org/14253721:40
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TrevorV_johnsom, that was you that I gave the last document to right?21:54
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TrevorV_rm_work, who is doing spec writing for heartbeat-related stuffs?21:54
TrevorV_That way I can give them the diagram I just wrote in graphviz21:54
TrevorV_Since you have me muted or something...21:55
TrevorV_sbalukoff, ^^  Do you know?21:55
TrevorV_Why must I cry out in the dark for communication!!!21:57
crc32I can hear you21:58
TrevorV_sbalukoff, rm_work, mwang2, sballe (these are all the people I can see and identify via the terrible camera angle) Could someone answer me please?21:59
crc32I heard you but I figured you were talking to the HP group.21:59
TrevorV_I was crc32, apparently Adam muted us21:59
TrevorV_Or something21:59
crc32The irony.21:59
rm_worknope, not muted22:01
rm_workvolume is max22:01
TrevorV_Lulz, carlos just spoke, and you didn't hear him either22:01
rm_workyeah we did22:01
rm_worklol22:01
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sbalukoffTrevorV: I don't know who is working on that.22:02
sbalukoffOh!22:02
sbalukoffWait!22:02
sbalukoffAlex was.22:02
TrevorV_So the first time he spoke, no one said anything, and then he spoke again and you responded.22:02
sbalukoffOr is.22:02
johnsomTrevorV_ Yes, I pulled it straight off of google docs and took the "dos" returns out22:02
TrevorV_Wait, so there isn't a spec for the heartbeat stuff yet?22:02
johnsomSorry, the IRC window got lost on my limited mobile screen22:03
rm_workguess not22:03
TrevorV_johnsom, that's fine, just kinda hard to keep people's attention when everyone is so busy, its not a big deal.22:03
TrevorV_Also sbalukoff do you know who Alex is on the IRC?  That way I can give them a link to my diagram?22:04
rm_workTrevorV_: normally he is barclac but he doesn't seem to be on22:08
sbalukoffHe's barclaac.22:08
sbalukoffBut he's not on at the moment.22:09
TrevorV_Makes it hard to get an email if they're not online ha ha ha sbalukoff :D22:09
johnsomTrevorV_ send me the link I can get it to alex22:09
TrevorV_Awesome, thanks johnsom22:09
TrevorV_johnsom, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DCMDq9nIlyjvW5K6QdFeLoJougMeStngU1iz1PzwyNg/edit?usp=sharing22:09
jamiemAlex is alex.barclay@hp.com22:10
ptoohillwhich is why i dont have cam on, not wearing a hat, and i feel nekked without a hat22:10
TrevorV_I also included the links in sections at the bottom of the etherpad for Octavia Kilo Meetup, so anyone can still find them there.22:10
rm_worklol22:11
johnsomExcellent.  I have lost track of all of the diagrams.22:11
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TrevorV_johnsom, I hope the etherpad has the links you'll need should you need them :D22:14
TrevorV_I'm off for the evening, glad we could get some stuff figured out!  Hope the diagrams are clear and helpful!  Have a good night guys, talk to you tomorrow!22:15
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openstackgerritCarlos Garza proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas: Adding tls cert parsing.  https://review.openstack.org/14291522:29
jamiem“A critical Git security vulnerability has been announced today, affecting all versions of the official Git client… An attacker can craft a malicious Git tree … leading to arbitrary command execution in the client machine [at git-clone time]” Only case-insensitive filesystems affected, i.e. Mac/Windows. https://github.com/blog/1938-git-client-vulnerability-announced22:54
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rm_workyeah, but it only affects the repo it's in, AFAICT22:55
rm_workso... meh?22:55
rm_work:P22:55
openstackgerritAdam Harwell proposed stackforge/octavia: Update certificate generator implementations  https://review.openstack.org/14262923:00
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crc32well pick up on this tomarrow. Some people have left IRC mid discussion.23:04
rm_work?23:04
rm_workk23:04
crc32I was asking bolukoff CSR x509 questions but pinged out23:05
rm_workweird because he is still sitting here23:05
crc32it looks more like a net split. See why I'm not an IRC fan.23:05
rm_workerr, only lost three people, doubt it's a netsplit23:05
crc32they all dropped with identicle ping times though23:05
crc32245 seconds23:05
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openstackgerritAdam Harwell proposed stackforge/octavia: Update certificate generator implementations  https://review.openstack.org/14262923:43
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