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| sbalukoff | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/octavia-kilo-hackathon-amphora-lifecycle | 00:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Michael Johnson proposed stackforge/octavia: Octavia Controller specification https://review.openstack.org/136540 | 00:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Brandon Logan proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas: Merge feature/lbaasv2 https://review.openstack.org/141247 | 01:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Oleg Bondarev proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas: Haproxy driver should respect vip/pool admin state https://review.openstack.org/142471 | 15:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jakub Libosvar proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas: Backward compatibility for lbaas https://review.openstack.org/142482 | 16:17 |
| ptoohill | using cfg instead of jinja_cfg | 16:26 |
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| TrevorV | Alright, back online :D | 16:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Jakub Libosvar proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas: Backward compatibility for lbaas https://review.openstack.org/142482 | 16:36 |
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| TrevorV | Anybody rollin into the HP offices yet? | 17:01 |
| dougwig | yep | 17:05 |
| TrevorV | dougwig is today the day we get some eyes on reviews my man? | 17:05 |
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| dougwig | which review? | 17:08 |
| TrevorV | First: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133108/ | 17:09 |
| TrevorV | Second: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136499/ | 17:09 |
| TrevorV | That's all that I have in progress at his point :D | 17:09 |
| rm_work | still waiting for a bunch of people | 17:09 |
| TrevorV | rm_work I just thought I'd bring it up early before everything got going ya know? | 17:10 |
| jorgem | rm_work: yo | 17:10 |
| TrevorV | rm_work you have us muted? | 17:12 |
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| ptoohill_ | blogan in yet? | 17:19 |
| rm_work | no | 17:19 |
| ptoohill | oh | 17:20 |
| TrevorV | no brandon, no balukoff | 17:20 |
| TrevorV | :( | 17:20 |
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| rm_work | sbalukoff called and said 20m about 5m ago | 17:21 |
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| jorgem | TrevorV: your links didn't work> | 17:26 |
| jorgem | ? | 17:26 |
| TrevorV | My links? | 17:27 |
| TrevorV | jorgem which links? | 17:27 |
| jorgem | not sure, I heard them talking about some diagrams | 17:28 |
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| TrevorV | No, some people, like lundquist, aren't able to see load it because they're using Chromium, not Chrome. | 17:29 |
| TrevorV | Depending on their Linux distro they should upgrade to Chrome, since it has a version | 17:29 |
| rm_work | we're looking at https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwuszeFIBGUsZmdWbUFaaE05Ylk/view?usp=sharing (the heartbeat part) | 17:29 |
| TrevorV | rm_work I loaded it just fine when I logged in. | 17:32 |
| TrevorV | Maybe requires log-in or something | 17:32 |
| TrevorV | Also, rm_work, that's not my diagram | 17:33 |
| TrevorV | I didn't make that | 17:33 |
| rm_work | yeah mine loaded fine | 17:33 |
| rm_work | err, then who made that? | 17:33 |
| TrevorV | I lied, it is mine | 17:33 |
| TrevorV | I just didn't remember it | 17:33 |
| rm_work | lol | 17:33 |
| TrevorV | For some reason didn't look familiar ha ha | 17:33 |
| TrevorV | Did you let everyone know they should login to google? | 17:34 |
| rm_work | i mean, it asks you to when you click it | 17:35 |
| TrevorV | Mine didn't. | 17:35 |
| TrevorV | All I had was "download" as a link. Then I logged in, in the top right, and it worked fine after a refresh of the page | 17:36 |
| TrevorV | So now we're at "we want health monitor polling" not "heartbeat"? | 17:38 |
| TrevorV | Bueler? | 17:40 |
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| TrevorV | I just told him rm_work | 17:44 |
| jorgem | rm_work: large please :) | 17:45 |
| rm_work | all we've got in XL but euro-sizes run small | 17:46 |
| rm_work | so should be good | 17:46 |
| ptoohill | i caught the end of that, what was that I may be interested in | 17:47 |
| ptoohill | ah | 17:47 |
| rm_work | i mean, it's our speakers that are quiet i think | 17:50 |
| TrevorV | What happens when we receive a heartbeat? | 17:51 |
| TrevorV | Anything? Nothing? | 17:51 |
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| TrevorV | Why not just have a status field for an amphora, and only update it when something changes? | 17:52 |
| xgerman | yes. that will be the case | 17:52 |
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| xgerman | heartbeats go to some quick in memory db and when we detect a problem we will update the mysql state | 17:52 |
| sbalukoff | We do need to know when the amphora last checked in to see whether it has suddenly gone silent. | 17:52 |
| sbalukoff | Yeah, that should work. | 17:53 |
| TrevorV | Couldn't we just update one column in a table of "last_heartbeat" or something rather than storing ALL heartbeats? | 17:53 |
| barclaac | I'd prefer to refrain from having to talk to the database for normal operation | 17:54 |
| sbalukoff | TrevorV: We definitely do not want to store all heartbeats. | 17:54 |
| TrevorV | Is that the argument for polling then barclaac ? Just to be clear? | 17:54 |
| barclaac | I've seen Neutron DVR beating the crap out of our DB of late by polling and updating neutron state. | 17:54 |
| sbalukoff | It's not an argument for polling. | 17:54 |
| sbalukoff | It's an argument to use a fast, lightweight shared datastore (like memcache or redis) for storing heartbeat information, and only updating the DB when status changes. | 17:55 |
| xgerman | we want to have some historic info of heartbeats to detect patterns, e.g. loosing heartbeats every 5 minutes | 17:55 |
| xgerman | but we can keep that in memory for operational analysis | 17:55 |
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| TrevorV | xgerman that's a bad idea, if you want to keep some information for pattern detection. If your service fails and you proceed to run diagnostics, you've lost that information anyway | 17:56 |
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| TrevorV | Oh by the way sbalukoff happy birthday :D | 17:58 |
| ptoohill | Was he wearing a different hat yesterday? | 17:58 |
| TrevorV | Yes, he was wearing an painters hat or something like it. | 17:59 |
| TrevorV | Like, painter artist type hat | 17:59 |
| ptoohill | :P | 17:59 |
| rm_work | I think he said it was Chilean? | 17:59 |
| ptoohill | Nice | 18:00 |
| TrevorV | Ah | 18:00 |
| rm_work | we can use ConfigDrive, right? | 18:02 |
| xgerman | yep | 18:02 |
| rm_work | xgerman: I mean at RAX :P | 18:02 |
| rm_work | double-checking | 18:02 |
| sbalukoff | The hat I was wearing yesterday was a hand-made gaucho hat from Chile (nevermind the fact that gauchos actually come from Argentina) | 18:02 |
| TrevorV | Awesome sbalukoff | 18:03 |
| TrevorV | So where are we at for work efforts? | 18:03 |
| TrevorV | I can do the graphs in ascii if you guys want | 18:04 |
| TrevorV | I did them in draw.io in favor of speed | 18:04 |
| rm_work | TrevorV: we probably want them in either BlockDiag series or GraphViz format so they can be easily regenerated | 18:04 |
| TrevorV | Cuz ascii isn't easily generated? o_0 | 18:05 |
| rm_work | no it is not | 18:05 |
| TrevorV | ........ its literally already generated....... | 18:05 |
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| rm_work | if you need to make changes, it is not nearly as simple as either of the other options mentioned | 18:06 |
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| TrevorV | If people can't figure out how to modify text, then I feel bad for them | 18:06 |
| rm_work | <_< | 18:06 |
| rm_work | it's not "how" | 18:06 |
| rm_work | it's not as simple | 18:06 |
| rm_work | or rather, more time consuming | 18:06 |
| TrevorV | sbalukoff if you guys don't mind me taking some time on a learning curve, I'll make the diagrams in blockdiag or graphviz, whichever one takes less time to figure out :D | 18:06 |
| TrevorV | Nice of blogan to be an hour late and such | 18:07 |
| ptoohill | look what the cat drug in | 18:07 |
| rm_work | I'd say go ahead and take the time | 18:07 |
| sbalukoff | Heh! Go for it! | 18:07 |
| TrevorV | Alright, cool. I just don't want someone else jumping on it if I'm about to do that, ya know? Calling my work effort first and foremost :D | 18:07 |
| TrevorV | We have lunch here shortly, so we might go dark for a bit | 18:08 |
| sbalukoff | FWIW, traffic was hell this morning. Stop and go the whole way. I left at 7:30am this morning, got here at 9:45 | 18:08 |
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| sbalukoff | Granted, I think their hotel is close by... but... eh... ;0 | 18:09 |
| sbalukoff | ;) | 18:09 |
| rm_work | heh | 18:09 |
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| TrevorV | Yeah, blogan was being a bum. Its okay, we expect this behavior from him from time to time | 18:10 |
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| ptoohill | my freenode connec is going bonkers | 18:10 |
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| TrevorV | Dear god, this graphviz looks so much more difficult than just making everything ascii | 18:12 |
| rm_work | yeah which is why I prefer blockdiag series | 18:14 |
| rm_work | :P | 18:14 |
| rm_work | super simple | 18:14 |
| TrevorV | Actually I might be overthinking this.. I'm working on it | 18:14 |
| sbalukoff | Again, I don't actually care which tool is use so long as the graphs don't look completely crappy, and the tool meets the three criteria: | 18:15 |
| sbalukoff | 1. Diff must do something useful on the source file (ie. can be reviewed and subtle changes notes) | 18:15 |
| sbalukoff | 2. Has to be something that our doc build process turns into actual images. | 18:15 |
| sbalukoff | 3. Not machine-generated "source" (like SVG) because then criterion 1 starts to get violated. | 18:16 |
| TrevorV | rm_work you son of a bitch | 18:17 |
| rm_work | TrevorV: i don't think that includes Ascii | 18:17 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: comments? | 18:17 |
| TrevorV | You can diff ascii, ascii can be easily represented in an image format by just having the text to print, and its not source anything. | 18:18 |
| TrevorV | Also, rm_work stop attacking wrappers right next to the microphone | 18:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Susanne Balle proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas: Reordered neutron import statements in files https://review.openstack.org/141970 | 18:20 |
| sbalukoff | TrevorV: What I mean by criterion 2 is that the doc build tools we use actually create an actual image. | 18:23 |
| sbalukoff | Because most of the doc build process creates HTML-based docs, and raw ASCII text doesn't work well there. | 18:24 |
| TrevorV | Can't you use an HTML header to display information in a fixed width, clear format? I'm already looking into graphviz, just playing devils advocate | 18:26 |
| rm_work | TrevorV: so if you were to use ascii, would you use one of the tools, or would you do it by hand? | 18:27 |
| TrevorV | Personally I would do it by hand, because the tools suck. I COULD use a tool though | 18:28 |
| rm_work | do the tools have "import"? | 18:28 |
| TrevorV | One of them did, via "copy" and "paste"... which is kinda fun right? | 18:28 |
| rm_work | heh | 18:28 |
| rm_work | so they are able to be re-imported and edited after the original creation? | 18:29 |
| TrevorV | I just don't really understand the aversion to an ascii diagram. I don't care that you want it a different way, I'm already doing it, just saying if I was the last word in a chain of command I would allow ascii, that's all. | 18:29 |
| rm_work | because the ones I tried did not allow that, which meant modification afterwards was difficult (had to be done by hand) and time consuming :( | 18:29 |
| rm_work | having to place each box manually by hand is really painful if you need to make any kind of real changes | 18:30 |
| TrevorV | Graphviz also doesn't have a built-in "database" symbol. Sucks, but it doesn't. | 18:30 |
| rm_work | hmm, not sure if blockdiag does either | 18:30 |
| johnsom | graphviz layout sucks too | 18:30 |
| rm_work | i think it is mostly boxes | 18:31 |
| sbalukoff | So, realize that when we "build docs" that's essentially the same as an automated "make"-type process. We will never do hand-tweaking of the docs that get generated from this afterward. | 18:31 |
| sbalukoff | So, just inserting a header to display a <pre> block or something is fine-- if the automated doc build tools do that. | 18:31 |
| sbalukoff | I suspect they don't. | 18:31 |
| bedis | ptoohill: hi | 18:32 |
| sbalukoff | Part of the reason we use the doc build tools is because HTML is just one of the possible output formats. I'm pretty sure it can generate PDFs and such too, with a couple minor tweaks. | 18:33 |
| sbalukoff | So really, its a very good idea (to the point where I will -2 stuff that doesn't comply) to make sure the docs you generate work as expected with the doc builds tools. | 18:33 |
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| bedis | ptoohill: let me know if I can help you on the haproxy driver implementation | 18:36 |
| TrevorV | That's fine sbalukoff, and like I said I'll do the work necessary to gen the docs the way people like it. However, I just feel since its already perfectly represented in text just like the rest of the documentation would be, it should be acceptable under all circumstances. "Time consuming" isn't a valid argument why it *shouldn't* be allowed. That's just me though | 18:36 |
| TrevorV | Graphviz SUCKS though, so I may do blockdiag when I get back | 18:36 |
| TrevorV | At least all I've been messing with so far | 18:37 |
| TrevorV | We're goin for lunsh now, see you guys after | 18:37 |
| sbalukoff | Sounds good. | 18:41 |
| openstackgerrit | German Eichberger proposed stackforge/octavia: updates the spec with the lastest from the midcycle * remove getHealth, getStats * add getConfiguration * remove some unneeded exceptions https://review.openstack.org/142537 | 18:51 |
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| Rivera | Is there a way to implement lbaas if I'm not using neutron routers? I'm using vRouters as appliances instead | 19:10 |
| Rivera | In other words, no namespaces | 19:10 |
| dougwig | not the ref driver. you'd have to go with one of the vendor implmentations. | 19:11 |
| dougwig | you could also watch the octavia project, if your timeline is long enough to wait a few months. | 19:12 |
| Rivera | I see. And it looks like that would require a software purchase from a vendor, at least in the case of NetScaler, right? | 19:12 |
| dougwig | all of the others would, afaik, yes (i'm from a10.) | 19:12 |
| Rivera | Ok. I thought at much | 19:13 |
| dougwig | is this a deployment, or a proof of concept, or? i'd wager any of the vendors would hook you up with a soft appliance and a trial license. | 19:13 |
| Rivera | dougwig: Deployment. | 19:13 |
| Rivera | I only received the "requirement" for load balancing after I had most of my work done | 19:14 |
| dougwig | we are rewriting lbaas and its ref driver to be more flexible and scalable. in the meantime, it's the ref driver or a vendor. | 19:14 |
| dougwig | heh, i love those late requirements. | 19:15 |
| Rivera | Tell me about it. I'm making my case for abandoning load-balancing as this deployment won't have much traffic | 19:15 |
| dougwig | ok. let me know if any of us can help you out. | 19:17 |
| Rivera | dougwig: Excellent! Thank you. I think I've exhausted my effort with the ref driver after I saw it uses namespaces | 19:19 |
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| blogan_ | sballe:http://paste.openstack.org/show/152401/ | 19:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Michael Johnson proposed stackforge/octavia: Octavia Controller specification https://review.openstack.org/136540 | 19:53 |
| ptoohill | bedis: sorry i missed your message, was at lunch. But, I will definitely do that! | 19:59 |
| TrevorV | Hey what's the story right now? Did we split up and start working on something that people here could potentially help review? | 19:59 |
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| TrevorV | rm_work sballe sbalukoff xgerman dougwig johnsom mwang2_ anyone? | 20:02 |
| xgerman | ? | 20:02 |
| xgerman | yes, we started working | 20:02 |
| sbalukoff | TrevorV: Most people here have their head down, working on things. | 20:03 |
| xgerman | looka at lp for things to do | 20:03 |
| sbalukoff | ^^^ | 20:03 |
| xgerman | our goal is to have a system which start a vm with haproxy and transports traffic at the end of the week | 20:04 |
| TrevorV | Alright cool xgerman | 20:04 |
| TrevorV | xgerman you did mean "ep" for "etherpad" for things to do right? | 20:05 |
| xgerman | lp = launchpad | 20:05 |
| TrevorV | xgerman my bad :D | 20:05 |
| TrevorV | rm_work how do I get my hands on blockdiag with brew? Got any ideas? | 20:08 |
| TrevorV | nvmd got it | 20:09 |
| dougwig | pip | 20:09 |
| dougwig | ok | 20:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Brandon Logan proposed stackforge/octavia: Spec defining the networking driver interface https://review.openstack.org/135495 | 20:17 |
| TrevorV | Wait sbalukoff who is doing more diagrams? I thought I was working on them? | 20:18 |
| bedis | ptoohill: no problem :) | 20:20 |
| ptoohill | bedis: was there a particular conversation that was going on when you pinged me? | 20:21 |
| bedis | nope | 20:21 |
| blogan_ | TrevorV: sbalukoff is doing them for the amphora-lifecycle-management spec | 20:21 |
| TrevorV | Which ones? The same ones I'm working on? | 20:21 |
| bedis | I was just checking on which part I could be useful | 20:21 |
| bedis | and related to HAProxy | 20:21 |
| TrevorV | blogan_ | 20:21 |
| blogan_ | TrevorV | 20:21 |
| bedis | so basicaly the amphora with rm_work and the driver with yourself | 20:21 |
| ptoohill | kk, I do know I needed to get the TLS ref impl updated at some point to utlize the TLS manager/barbican stuff since it was still based off outdated reviews | 20:22 |
| TrevorV | blogan_ look at my last message | 20:22 |
| ptoohill | This is the review mentioned above: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126381/ | 20:22 |
| ptoohill | But, its mostly 'ready' I think. Most of the work was around getting the configuration done right. | 20:23 |
| sbalukoff | TrevorV: Which diagrams are you working on? | 20:23 |
| ptoohill | But, i havnt messed with it in a while and quite a few things changed in regards to TLS. | 20:23 |
| ptoohill | STOP TALKING LIKE THAT | 20:24 |
| ptoohill | :) | 20:24 |
| ptoohill | *sushi | 20:24 |
| dougwig | it's a race. can gertty download all the outstanding reviews before my boarding call starts... | 20:24 |
| openstackgerrit | German Eichberger proposed stackforge/octavia: addin some utils for taskflow https://review.openstack.org/142569 | 20:24 |
| ptoohill | I do need to find out when Haproxy 1.5 will actually be packaged so I can put that in the reqs :) | 20:24 |
| ptoohill | Any idea about that bedis? | 20:25 |
| ptoohill | **Ive been in my little world past month or two, so this may already be a thing and im just completely oblivious to everything | 20:25 |
| TrevorV | sbalukoff I'm working on all the diagrams I made over the last few days. | 20:26 |
| TrevorV | sbalukoff Controller, Network Diagrams. I think Adam did the life-cycle diagram, but I can't guarantee that | 20:26 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, the ones I was planning on working on are part of this review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130424/ | 20:27 |
| sbalukoff | Yeah, those are lifecycle diagrams that I'm working on. | 20:27 |
| sbalukoff | I don't think we're duplicating efforts here, so please feel free to carry on! | 20:27 |
| TrevorV | sbalukoff alright I thought you meant you were doing one of the ones we've done in Draw.io the last couple days | 20:28 |
| TrevorV | I'm doing those :D | 20:28 |
| sbalukoff | Okeedokee! | 20:28 |
| TrevorV | I'm working on those (although not in tree anywhere, just in its own directory. | 20:28 |
| TrevorV | ) | 20:28 |
| TrevorV | sbalukoff so I figure I'll talk to you guys about where to put them after I get them figured out :D | 20:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Adam Harwell proposed stackforge/octavia: Update TLS Specification https://review.openstack.org/142572 | 20:28 |
| rm_work | bbl loonch | 20:28 |
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| ptoohill | Anyone drink Bantai Civet coffee? | 20:44 |
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| rm_work | ptoohill: i have had some sort of civet coffee, it was bleh | 21:59 |
| ptoohill | :P | 22:00 |
| ptoohill | I need to get a grinder and a good brewer and ill bring it to work | 22:01 |
| ptoohill | and force everyone to drink the poo of some sort of pestilent cat | 22:02 |
| rm_work | xgerman / sbalukoff: updated TLS spec, glance at that when you are between things: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142572/ | 22:04 |
| blogan_ | jorgem, ptoohill: we were waving at you guys | 22:06 |
| ptoohill | We purposefully didnt wave back | 22:06 |
| * blogan_ adds ptoohill to his list | 22:07 | |
| jorgem | blogan: we don't like you anymore | 22:07 |
| * ptoohill already has blogan on his | 22:07 | |
| rm_work | list of BFFs? :P | 22:07 |
| * ptoohill already has blogan_ on his | 22:07 | |
| ptoohill | lol | 22:07 |
| blogan_ | at least i know you did like me at some point | 22:07 |
| jorgem | blogan: I did? | 22:07 |
| ptoohill | distant memory now | 22:07 |
| blogan_ | you couldn't have had blogan_ on your list | 22:07 |
| ptoohill | see, jorgem isnt even typing to the right one, thats how much we care | 22:07 |
| ptoohill | :P | 22:08 |
| ptoohill | So, is there any update for haproxy 1.5 package timelines? Having 1.5 as a dep means it needs to be in an official repo right? Just curious since K is soon-ish | 22:10 |
| ptoohill | add repo/backport | 22:14 |
| bedis | there is no official packages | 22:14 |
| rm_work | yeah, need to talk to the debian/ubuntu/redhat/fedora/etc package maintainers separately | 22:15 |
| ptoohill | yea, I use this: http://haproxy.debian.net/ | 22:15 |
| bedis | we do packages at the company, but that's for oour customers | 22:15 |
| ptoohill | gotcha | 22:15 |
| bedis | if you need anything special, I can introduce you to Debian and RH packagers | 22:15 |
| ptoohill | So, is it ok if its not official packages for this to release as dep? | 22:15 |
| ptoohill | thats where im unclear | 22:15 |
| rm_work | ptoohill: looks like for Ubuntu it's already in trusty-backports | 22:16 |
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| ptoohill | ah | 22:16 |
| ptoohill | Well yea, but lbaas v2 tls support? | 22:17 |
| ptoohill | that is in openstack yea? | 22:17 |
| rm_work | err | 22:17 |
| rm_work | well | 22:17 |
| rm_work | hmm yeah the ref driver | 22:17 |
| ptoohill | so, it doesnt really matter at this point, we can make it work | 22:17 |
| ptoohill | yea, thats what im primarily talking about | 22:17 |
| rm_work | yeah i wouldn't worry about it | 22:17 |
| ptoohill | kk | 22:17 |
| ptoohill | works for me | 22:17 |
| rm_work | whoever made this package... libssl1.0.0 (>= 1.0.1) | 22:19 |
| rm_work | T_T | 22:19 |
| ptoohill | :P | 22:19 |
| rm_work | major.minor.build *in the name* wtf | 22:19 |
| bedis | what's suprizing? | 22:20 |
| bedis | it's openssl :) | 22:20 |
| ptoohill | but thats not greater than or equal to, how does this work >< | 22:20 |
| ptoohill | :P | 22:21 |
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| rm_work | yep, libssl1.0.0 version 1.0.1f | 22:31 |
| rm_work | eventually there will be libssl1.0.0 version 2.1.5 or something | 22:32 |
| ptoohill | >< | 22:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Brandon Logan proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas: Changed testr config to read environment variables for output https://review.openstack.org/142597 | 22:36 |
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| blogan_ | ^^ doesn't work bc i am a moron | 22:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Brandon Logan proposed openstack/neutron-lbaas: Changed testr config to read environment variables for output https://review.openstack.org/142597 | 22:45 |
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| ptoohill | Heading out guys, ill be on a bit later. | 22:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Johnson proposed stackforge/octavia: Octavia Controller specification https://review.openstack.org/136540 | 23:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Brandon Logan proposed stackforge/octavia: Spec defining the networking driver interface https://review.openstack.org/135495 | 23:32 |
| openstackgerrit | German Eichberger proposed stackforge/octavia: addin some utils for taskflow https://review.openstack.org/142569 | 23:36 |
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