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| openstackgerrit | zhongjun proposed openstack/manila: need code adjustment in "huawei.v3.helper.py" https://review.openstack.org/407405 | 08:41 |
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| mkoderer | tommylikehu: pong | 08:47 |
| tommylikehu | mkoderer, thanks it's about this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/308212/ | 08:48 |
| mkoderer | tommylikehu: yeah I didn't had time to have a look at it | 08:48 |
| mkoderer | tommylikehu: I am not a big fan of this static list since it's really hard to maintain | 08:48 |
| tommylikehu | mkoderer agree with you | 08:49 |
| tommylikehu | wish you could have any better solution or suggestion | 08:49 |
| mkoderer | tommylikehu: can you give me one example where we have a foreign key but no relationship? | 08:50 |
| mkoderer | I need to check if I find something | 08:51 |
| mkoderer | but maybe we need to start with your approach | 08:51 |
| tommylikehu | sure wait a second | 08:51 |
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| tommylikehu | mkoderer please check the relationship between Reservation and QuotaUsage for example | 08:54 |
| tommylikehu | mkoderer there is a foreign key and relationship not existed | 08:54 |
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| tommylikehu | mkoderer, and right now we have mechanism to guarantee the table should be updated whenever the relationship changed | 08:58 |
| mkoderer | tommylikehu: how do you ensure that? | 08:59 |
| tommylikehu | with unit testcases there | 08:59 |
| mkoderer | tommylikehu: ok I need to have a closer look to them also. | 09:01 |
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| mkoderer | tommylikehu: I hope I have some time today to work on it.. I think this is a very useful feature | 09:02 |
| tommylikehu | mkoderer, much appreciated, anytime is welcomed, so which timezone do you live? | 09:02 |
| mkoderer | tommylikehu: CET | 09:03 |
| tommylikehu | ok, thanks | 09:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Valeriy Ponomaryov proposed openstack/manila: [DNM] test 22 https://review.openstack.org/407114 | 10:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Valeriy Ponomaryov proposed openstack/manila: [DNM] test 21 https://review.openstack.org/407109 | 10:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/manila-ui: Imported Translations from Zanata https://review.openstack.org/407350 | 10:10 |
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| ganso | vponomaryov, bswartz, tbarron, toabctl: Could you please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/401253 when you have some time? Thanks in advance! | 10:18 |
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| vponomaryov | ganso: added comment | 10:26 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: thanks! | 10:27 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: one more related | 10:28 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: enjoy! ^_^ | 10:28 |
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| ganso | bswartz: ping | 11:48 |
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| mliima_ | hi guys, does manila generic backend works when I use firewall_driver = openvswitch? | 12:27 |
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| mliima_ | http://docs.openstack.org/draft/networking-guide/config-ovsfwdriver.html | 12:28 |
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| mkoderer | mliima_: is there a different security groups api needed to use the feature? | 15:41 |
| mkoderer | mliima_: I would say it should work.. | 15:41 |
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| mliima_ | ok mkoderer, thano you | 15:46 |
| mliima_ | thank* | 15:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Goutham Pacha Ravi proposed openstack/manila: Add create_share_from_snapshot_support extra spec https://review.openstack.org/356682 | 16:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tom Barron proposed openstack/manila: NetApp: set proper broadcast domain for IPspace https://review.openstack.org/406042 | 16:25 |
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| tpsilva | vponomaryov: ping | 16:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alyson proposed openstack/manila: Add support for manage/unmanage snapshots in HNAS driver https://review.openstack.org/401253 | 17:01 |
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| gouthamr | bswartz: ping | 17:09 |
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| bswartz | gouthamr: pong | 17:46 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: hi.. i had a question regarding values for boolean extra-specs.. | 17:47 |
| bswartz | k | 17:47 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: do you recall any move to stop accepting 'True', 'False', '0', 'off', 'on'.. etc in favor of <is> True or <is> False | 17:48 |
| bswartz | this is related to the vagaries of the filter scheduler | 17:48 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: or do we mean to support <is> True, <is> False alongside these others | 17:49 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: yes :( and we have an inconsistent behavior at the API in terms of validation | 17:49 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: our 'required' extra-specs can't be set to <is> True / <is> False but all others can.. | 17:49 |
| bswartz | so I was under the impression that both styles were supported | 17:50 |
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| bswartz | do you know if there's any good argument for one style over the other? | 17:50 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: and for some reason the common capabilities extra specs when applied on netapp can't be set to 'True' or 'False' :P | 17:50 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: nope.. it feels like we use the oslo_strutils consistently for validation and that defines a bunch of valid "True" and "False" values | 17:51 |
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| gouthamr | bswartz: feels like we should contribute <is> True and <is> False to that list | 17:51 |
| bswartz | no that's no the answer | 17:51 |
| bswartz | the whole <is> construct is very specific to cinder/manila and our filter schedulers | 17:52 |
| bswartz | my question is what difference is there if any | 17:52 |
| gouthamr | thinking out loud... you can enclose conditions within the <>, so.. there's the added benefit of being able to perform things beyond raw equality | 17:53 |
| gouthamr | however, equality is implied as well, True, False must match if i understand this correctly | 17:54 |
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| bswartz | I think we should aim for consistency | 17:54 |
| bswartz | but we can't break backwards compatibility | 17:55 |
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| bswartz | so we should establish a preferred format and push everyone to that | 17:55 |
| bswartz | while being careful not to break anything that works today | 17:55 |
| bswartz | honestly having to write "xxx <is> True" just seems like weaksauce to me | 17:55 |
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| gouthamr | bswartz: for backwards compatibility, we should support https://github.com/openstack/oslo.utils/blob/master/oslo_utils/strutils.py#L49 and <is> True / <is> False | 17:56 |
| bswartz | I disagree | 17:58 |
| bswartz | we need a more complex parser | 17:58 |
| bswartz | if we really want to support these silly <operators> then we should do it correctly | 17:58 |
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| gouthamr | bswartz: there are only two operators: <is> and <in>, and we only need to validate the RHS of <is> for boolean extra-specs | 18:02 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: the rest's being done in the scheduler.. | 18:03 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: orly? | 18:03 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: https://github.com/openstack/manila/blob/master/manila/scheduler/filters/extra_specs_ops.py#L25 | 18:03 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: yeah.. wrt to the boolean extra-specs like snapshot_support, we perform some actions at the API - like setting the capability in the share, etc.. so, we do the validation | 18:05 |
| bswartz | so it seems we're actually mixing 2 different concepts | 18:06 |
| bswartz | extra_specs can be boolean flags with clearly-defined affects on the API or they can be filter expressions to be parsed and interpreted by the filter scheduler | 18:06 |
| bswartz | s/affects/effects/ | 18:07 |
| bswartz | it could make sense to draw a clearer line between these 2 things | 18:07 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: ah, i see what you mean.. we're using the same mechanism and validation now.. something to think about | 18:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Goutham Pacha Ravi proposed openstack/manila: Add create_share_from_snapshot_support extra spec https://review.openstack.org/356682 | 18:18 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: ^ i've kept the validation that we currently have and made a couple of things consistent. We can improve with the changes you suggested when i'm back | 18:20 |
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| smcginnis | bswartz, others: Do you see anyone using manila NFS shares for for running Oracle RAC on OpenStack? | 18:34 |
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| bswartz | smcginnis: that sounds like a familiar use case | 18:39 |
| bswartz | smcginnis: honestly I'm not sure if it was RAC, but Oracle on OpenStack w/ Manila is definitely something people do | 18:39 |
| markstur | smcginnis: Yes. I've seen talks in recent year(s) that say NFS is still popular as tried and true for DBAs. Applies to RAC. | 18:44 |
| markstur | I'm not up-to-date on the latest/greatest best practices but have a feeling NFS is not going away as quickly as you would've thought years ago | 18:45 |
| smcginnis | bswartz, markstur: Thanks, that's kind of what I expected. | 18:45 |
| smcginnis | One of the biggest requests to run Cinder multiattach is to be able to run Oracle RAC. | 18:45 |
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| smcginnis | But from what I know of RAC installs, NFS is a perfectly valid option, so at least there's a way to do it today. | 18:46 |
| bswartz | smcginnis: interesting | 18:46 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: Now whether you should be running something like Oracle RAC as a "cloud app", that's another discussion. ;) | 18:46 |
| markstur | smcginnis: Yeah. Multi-attach instead of NFS makes sense. Common practices may lag. | 18:47 |
| bswartz | I always wondered why multiattach was such a highly requested feature -- I know that at least some fraction of the requests are from users that don't understand that a multiattached volume is not the same as a shared filesystem | 18:47 |
| markstur | BFCA | 18:47 |
| markstur | big fat cloud app | 18:47 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: That is one fear with that - users are going to need to understand they need to use a clustered filesystem or some other fencing to make sure the data doesn't get corrupted. | 18:48 |
| smcginnis | markstur: ;) | 18:48 |
| smcginnis | markstur: I didn't even like installing RAC on baremetal. The thought of running it in a cloud scares me frankly. :) | 18:48 |
| bswartz | smcginnis: people do things for crazy reasons -- I've learned to be open minded about use cases | 18:48 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: Yep, definitely. | 18:49 |
| bswartz | something that seems like a bad idea to you and me might be the greatest idea in the world due to reasons we can't perceive | 18:49 |
| markstur | what is this baremetal thing you speak of? ;) | 18:50 |
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| * markstur finds 9 year old article predicting that oracle over nfs is not going away soon | 19:16 | |
| markstur | For Oracle 12c (c as in cloud) this is interesting https://docs.oracle.com/database/121/CWLIN/storage.htm#CWLIN257 | 19:21 |
| markstur | in particular table 7.1 | 19:21 |
| markstur | NFS is the only option with "Yes" for support in all 5 columnts. | 19:22 |
| markstur | smcginnis: maybe that explains why NFS will stay popular | 19:23 |
| bswartz | markstur: or it explains what happens when oracle buys the company that invented NFS... | 19:23 |
| markstur | bswartz: I did see it referred to as Sun NFS (maybe Solaris) somewhere | 19:24 |
| markstur | It seems like advanced and current DBAs might go with more Oracle ASM, etc and "cinder" storage, but the NFS that they are used to is still probably the easiest | 19:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rodrigo Barbieri proposed openstack/manila: Share Migration Ocata Improvements https://review.openstack.org/406305 | 19:42 |
| ganso | bswartz: ping | 19:42 |
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| tbarron | markstur: if your're already using NFS as a backend and its' working, why change? | 20:04 |
| tbarron | it's | 20:04 |
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| markstur | gouthamr: Is there a fix that 3rd-party CI follks need to do or did vponomaryov take care of that? | 20:27 |
| gouthamr | markstur: i changed the injection of params to "test-config" from "post-extra" | 20:27 |
| gouthamr | markstur: https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1646391 | 20:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1646391 in devstack "Cinder Third party driver tempest test fail after this commit https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/commit/b719b55b1d8158a926eb3cd0d04a2749f608a6d8 " [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Sean Dague (sdague) | 20:28 |
| markstur | gouthamr: thanks | 20:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Victoria Martinez de la Cruz proposed openstack/manila-image-elements: Enables end user to pick share protocol https://review.openstack.org/400411 | 21:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Victoria Martinez de la Cruz proposed openstack/manila-image-elements: Removes LXC/LXD support on manila-image-elements https://review.openstack.org/405629 | 21:10 |
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| bswartz | ganso: pong | 21:38 |
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| xyang_ | bswartz: did you see my question? | 21:50 |
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| bswartz | xyang_: no where did you send it? | 21:57 |
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| xyang1 | bswartz: I sent it to you directly. I asked about update_access | 22:05 |
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| xyang1 | bswartz: will it become a requirement for drivers. if so, when is the deadline to get it implemented | 22:06 |
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| xyang1 | bswartz: I saw that on the etherpad from the summit | 22:06 |
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| bswartz | xyang1 xyang_: you PM'd me? it probably got lost when freenode disconnected me | 22:17 |
| xyang_ | bswartz: yes | 22:17 |
| bswartz | xyang1 xyang_: PM me again or use email | 22:17 |
| xyang_ | bswartz: sure | 22:17 |
| bswartz | I have to run and grab some food but I'll be back after dinner | 22:18 |
| xyang_ | bswartz: oh, let me sent you an email then so it won't be lost:) bye | 22:18 |
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