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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/manila: [ZFSonLinux] Stop inheriting options creating share from snapshot https://review.openstack.org/406904 | 01:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | zhongjun proposed openstack/manila: [WIP]Enable IPv6 in manila https://review.openstack.org/312321 | 09:09 |
| tommylikehu | ping vponomaryov | 09:11 |
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| tommylikehu | hey vponomaryov I just uploaded a draft version on network plugin, please take a look at this : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362786/ | 09:12 |
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| ganso | bswartz: ping | 14:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Valeriy Ponomaryov proposed openstack/manila: [DNM] Test scenario tests on three drivers https://review.openstack.org/402404 | 14:10 |
| openstackgerrit | Valeriy Ponomaryov proposed openstack/manila: [DNM] Test scenario tests on three drivers https://review.openstack.org/402404 | 14:10 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: I guess this one waits only for you -> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/405530/ (backport to mitaka) | 14:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Victoria Martinez de la Cruz proposed openstack/manila: Decouple Manila UI from Manila Devstack plugin https://review.openstack.org/388855 | 14:40 |
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| tbarron | ping cdelatte | 15:24 |
| tbarron | cdelatte: re: https://github.com/openstack/puppet-manila/blame/master/manifests/backend/netapp.pp#L150 | 15:24 |
| cdelatte | tbarron: hi | 15:24 |
| tbarron | cdelatte: hi craig, i'm looking at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1400557 where we are getting | 15:25 |
| openstack | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1400557 in openstack-manila "Duplicate declaration: nfs-utils already declared by cinder" [Unspecified,New] - Assigned to tbarron | 15:25 |
| tbarron | cdelatte: a duplicate puppet declaration of nfs-utils when netapp nfs is used for cinder and netapp is also used for manila | 15:26 |
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| tbarron | cdelatte: in the change above you moved the manila requirements for nfs-utils from somewhere else into that manila netapp backend manifest | 15:27 |
| tbarron | cdelatte: do you know where it came from before that? | 15:27 |
| tbarron | cdelatte: honestly, I understand why cinder would need it, but I don't really know why manila needs it for netapp backend anyways | 15:28 |
| cdelatte | tbarron: let me look at it. it potentially may be needed in both places. but I haven't seen this duplicate declaration error anywhere | 15:28 |
| tbarron | cdelatte: cinder must do nfs mounts to provide block service from nfs files | 15:28 |
| tbarron | cdelatte: manila is just orchestrating netapp to serve nfs to compute instances ... | 15:29 |
| cdelatte | correct | 15:29 |
| tbarron | cdelatte: so the OpenStack controller node must do nfs mounts for cinder and doens't have to for netapp nfs backed manila so far as I can see | 15:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Rodrigo Barbieri proposed openstack/manila: Debug https://review.openstack.org/408177 | 15:30 |
| cdelatte | correct, but that is used for upstream tests. | 15:30 |
| tbarron | cdelatte: sure. runniing from a controller node though? | 15:31 |
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| tbarron | cdelatte: nothing wrong with **having** nfs-utils on that node, the question is whether puppet should **require** it. | 15:32 |
| cdelatte | let me look into it after my meeting | 15:32 |
| tbarron | cdelatte: thanks, I appreciate it :) | 15:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Goutham Pacha Ravi proposed openstack/manila-specs: Add a spec to fix and improve Access Rules https://review.openstack.org/399049 | 16:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Valeriy Ponomaryov proposed openstack/manila: [Tempest] Fix concurrency issue in scenario test https://review.openstack.org/408204 | 16:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Valeriy Ponomaryov proposed openstack/manila: [LVM,Generic drivers] Fix relationships between parent and child shares https://review.openstack.org/407468 | 16:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Valeriy Ponomaryov proposed openstack/manila: [Tempest] Add scenario test creating share from snapshot https://review.openstack.org/400758 | 16:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Valeriy Ponomaryov proposed openstack/manila: [DNM] Test scenario tests on three drivers https://review.openstack.org/402404 | 16:18 |
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| tbarron | ping ganso re: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/395404/14/manila/share/drivers/dell_emc/plugins/base.py@69 | 16:33 |
| tbarron | ganso: are you referring to the work that would be done when spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/399049/ merges, or some other "refactor patch"? | 16:33 |
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| ganso | tbarron: yes | 16:51 |
| ganso | tbarron: either way, we decided to remove update_access fallback at the contributor's meetaup | 16:51 |
| ganso | tbarron: s/meetaup/meetup | 16:51 |
| ganso | tbarron: so I assume that even if gouthamr's patch does not merge in ocata, we will remove the fallback | 16:52 |
| tbarron | ganso: gouthamr should https://review.openstack.org/399049 explicitly say that the fallback in the manager from update_access to access_allow and access_deny is going away? | 16:53 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: i don't think so.. | 16:53 |
| ganso | tbarron: maybe, we decided that at the contributor's meetup not necessarily related to the refactor | 16:53 |
| tbarron | ganso: then DELL/EMC has to fix another driver first :) | 16:53 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: is it part of that work? | 16:54 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: It can just raise the NotImplementedError with no reason. | 16:54 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: not really. we ought to remove them.. and vnx was one of the drivers that hadn't done update_access | 16:54 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: we didn't conclude on when we ought to remove those old interfaces. | 16:55 |
| ganso | gouthamr: I believe we decided we will not remove drivers anymore, just let them break and tag as deprecated | 16:55 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: ganso so gouthamr is saying his spec doesn't imply removal of the fallback | 16:55 |
| gouthamr | ganso: i was referring to the allow_access/deny_access fallback, not the drivers themselves :) | 16:55 |
| tbarron | ganso: I have no problem with removing the fallback but I don't think we've communicated that to everyone | 16:56 |
| gouthamr | ganso: we shouldn't break them imo... this is a little different than not implementing a nice to have feature... we'll break a critical functionality on upgrade | 16:56 |
| markstur | If we keep drivers in, but they can no longer allow_access then that would need a pretty big, ugly badge | 16:56 |
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| tbarron | ganso: I'm not worried about the feelings of driver maintainers, I care about end users :) | 16:56 |
| gouthamr | +1 big ugly badge[r] | 16:56 |
| markstur | gouthamr: who you calling big ugly? | 16:57 |
| * markstur is a Badger | 16:57 | |
| * markstur growls a little and goes back to working on GPFS update_access() | 16:57 | |
| gouthamr | :'D sorry about penn-state :) i was rooting for the badgers.. | 16:57 |
| * markstur cries a little | 16:57 | |
| markstur | gouthamr: Glad to hear we've adopted you as a Badger fan | 16:58 |
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| markstur | I hope you weren't' rooting for them against NC bball this year. Dang that team is good. | 16:58 |
| ganso | tbarron, gouthamr, markstur: well, I guess we will need to re-decide this | 16:59 |
| tbarron | ganso: meeting topic tomorrow? | 16:59 |
| gouthamr | markstur: i'm a tiger, through and through :) | 16:59 |
| gouthamr | ganso: +1 | 16:59 |
| ganso | tbarron: sure | 17:00 |
| markstur | One of my favorite sayings: If the meek shall inherit the earth, what's gonna happen to all us tigers? | 17:00 |
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| markstur | (I picture it with a cartoony scaredy-cat tiger quaking) | 17:01 |
| tbarron | ganso: i put it on the agenda, right before^H^H^H^H^H^ after migration-start syntax | 17:02 |
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| ganso | tbarron: I don't see it | 17:03 |
| * markstur sets his alarm for right before ^H^H^H^H^H after migration-start syntax | 17:03 | |
| * tbarron just pressed save with captcha this time | 17:03 | |
| tbarron | ganso: now | 17:04 |
| ganso | tbarron: ok now I see it | 17:04 |
| tbarron | ganso: feel free to edit or s/tbarron/ganso/ :) | 17:04 |
| ganso | tbarron: it looks fine :) | 17:04 |
| bswartz | the capcha is still bothering you guys? | 17:05 |
| bswartz | It hasn't bothered me in a while | 17:05 |
| ganso | bswartz: Hi | 17:05 |
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| ganso | bswartz: you pinged me about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/405516/ the other way | 17:06 |
| ganso | bswartz: to tell the truth, I am sure I fully understood tbarron's comment | 17:07 |
| ganso | tbarron: I assume you are suggesting removing the vendor-specific drivers immediately, as their removal is not at all contested, but for first-party go cautiously (in a separate patch?) by removing the current content but adding devstack instructions where lacking and point to the config-ref. Is that right? | 17:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/manila: [api-ref] Refactor Manila availability-zones API https://review.openstack.org/374517 | 17:10 |
| ganso | tbarron: this last part is confusing "For the latter, if there is nothing substantive that's not in the central doc, then go ahead, but otherwise let's exclude them from this original removal and work on them in a reasonable manner." | 17:10 |
| ganso | tbarron: what central doc? | 17:11 |
| tbarron | ganso: yeah, and in particular we have stuff in cephfs_native about how to interact with ceph cluster, update ceph.conf, etc. that I'd like to ensure is somewhere else before it gets blown away. | 17:11 |
| ganso | tbarron: I am not sure you are referring to devstack instructions, which most first-party drivers lack, or just entries in config-ref, which they also lack | 17:11 |
| tbarron | ganso: so in parallel I cited a specific example: I doubt the openstack config guide covers those items I just cited. | 17:12 |
| tbarron | ganso: probably there is a good place for us to put that information, but I haven't had time to chase that down. | 17:13 |
| tbarron | ganso: I always get a bit nervous when we decide centrally to go remove stuff if the people with the stuff haven't had time to make sure it's safe. | 17:14 |
| ganso | tbarron: got pulled brb | 17:14 |
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| tbarron | ganso: np | 17:14 |
| ganso | tbarron: back | 17:18 |
| ganso | tbarron: I would like to consider the case where if such removal action is not taken, things that are not in their proper place are bound to stay in that improper place forever | 17:19 |
| ganso | tbarron: as we have stated, things are not lost, they are in git history | 17:20 |
| tbarron | ganso: let's look at your patch cooncretely - you propose removing ganesh.rst. If you look at the contents of that, do you still want to remove it? | 17:22 |
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| ganso | tbarron: as you have stated in your comment, if they will be deleted anyway, they could be deleted anyway, as this will be the case for some the vendor-specific ones as well, which may not have drivers in the config ref | 17:22 |
| ganso | tbarron: let me double check | 17:22 |
| ganso | tbarron: I've look at most of the docs | 17:23 |
| tbarron | ganso: also zfs_on_linux.rist - would you want to remove everything from it? | 17:23 |
| ganso | tbarron: looking at ganesha, part of that should go into config_ref, and other part should go to admin_guide or user_guide | 17:25 |
| tbarron | ganso: sure, we could move a bunch of it to admiin_guide | 17:25 |
| tbarron | I don't agree to enforcing changes by removiing and making people repair. | 17:26 |
| ganso | tbarron: same for zfs_on_linux | 17:26 |
| tbarron | We could give people a deadline to update, but if we do it this way we (1) give usera a bad experience, (2) make it harder for developers, (3) make it harder for the people who do the repair. | 17:26 |
| ganso | tbarron: a deadline would be great | 17:27 |
| tbarron | ganso: after a reasonable deadline if the owners still haven't dopne it, then maybe that's a different story | 17:27 |
| ganso | tbarron: +1 | 17:27 |
| tbarron | ganso: ok. and I have no problem giving vendor drivers grace time to get stuff updated either | 17:28 |
| ganso | tbarron: let's add that topic to the meeting agenda, so we can decide on the deadline | 17:28 |
| ganso | tbarron: updated | 17:30 |
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| tbarron | ganso: thanks | 17:32 |
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| bswartz | ganso tbarron: What I would like to see is to have guides for setting up all of the first party drivers in the devref, but as much as possible those guides should refer to the user-facing docs for those drivers | 17:58 |
| bswartz | there's some content which is inherently developer specific, and a major reason for the first party drivers is for us developers | 17:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | Valeriy Ponomaryov proposed openstack/manila: [Generic driver] Fix generation of admin export location https://review.openstack.org/407501 | 18:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rodrigo Barbieri proposed openstack/manila: Debug https://review.openstack.org/408177 | 18:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Valeriy Ponomaryov proposed openstack/manila: [Generic driver] Fix generation of admin export location https://review.openstack.org/407501 | 19:08 |
| cdelatte | tbarron: so looking at this further. nfs-utils has been in that module prior to my change. I just changed the dependencies | 19:14 |
| cdelatte | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/389302/13/manifests/backend/netapp.pp | 19:15 |
| tbarron | cdelatte: hmm, so I don't know (1) why it was in that module before, or (2) why changing the dependencies that way would cause the issue reported in the bug | 19:18 |
| tbarron | cdelatte: I don't know much about puppet | 19:18 |
| tbarron | cdelatte: was just trying to trace the issue in the bug | 19:18 |
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| cdelatte | I am trying to run this down as well. it almost seems like this would have caused issues in the puppet tests. | 19:21 |
| tbarron | cdelatte: after your change there is a $package_ensure reference inside the manila;:backend::netapp definition but not previouusly, right? It's scoped differently. | 19:21 |
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| cdelatte | package ensure is set to present. it is just gives the option to ensure it otherwise | 19:26 |
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| tbarron | cdelatte: well your change may not have anything to do with the bug. They reported it after your change, but they are doing TripleO with relatively new manila/netapp stuff. | 19:36 |
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| tbarron | cdelatte: so that may somehow be the trigger here. | 19:36 |
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| cdelatte | tbarron: I pinged one of our resident experts on puppet. basically he believes they are running this on the same node. so the control node is both the nfs server and also running the manila service. basically they may have run into this either way, regardless of my change | 19:45 |
| cdelatte | at least possibly run into it regardless | 19:46 |
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| cdelatte | so basically see if they separate their nfs server from the control node | 19:46 |
| tbarron | cdelatte: sounds plausible. but running them on the same control node *should* be possible. | 19:47 |
| tbarron | cdelatte: more generally, there should be some way to do a conditional package_ensure: if it ain't there, ensure that it is. | 19:48 |
| tbarron | cinder w/nfs and manila can't be the only services to require the same package (though in *this* case, again, I don't see that manila does, vs. say manila w/generic driver) | 19:48 |
| cdelatte | agreed. it may be that nfs-utils isn't required for the netapp manila piece. we would need to hunt down who put that in and ask them. | 19:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Victoria Martinez de la Cruz proposed openstack/manila: Setting up a development env with Devstack instructions https://review.openstack.org/408275 | 19:52 |
| cdelatte | tbarron: they can alway do this in hiera manila::profile::backends::package_ensure: false or something like that. then it should only get install once | 19:53 |
| tbarron | cdelatte: yeah, and the workaround might ought to go iinto the bug. | 19:54 |
| tbarron | cdelatte: but stipulate for a moment that it's not needed for manila w/netapp and is needed for cinder w/ nfs. | 19:54 |
| tbarron | cdelatte: it would also be needed for manila w/generic driver, or glance with nfs, right? | 19:55 |
| cdelatte | that driver is the only one w/ it defined. | 19:55 |
| cdelatte | so unless the control needs to mount a share, I am not sure it is needed | 19:56 |
| tbarron | cdelatte: we shouldn't ask deployers to always go fix it all up with hiera overrides if there's a way to just make the directive to ensure a package is loaded work if someone else is askiinng for the same thing. | 19:56 |
| tbarron | is puppet really that badly un-modular? | 19:57 |
| cdelatte | 100% agree that we shouldn't have to ask customers to work around it. | 19:57 |
| cdelatte | I don't have triple-o or anywhere I can test it. if we can remove the netapp nfs-utils and test it then and we are good I can yank it out | 19:58 |
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| tbarron | cdelatte: I'll see if I can do some testing or ask the customer in the bug to try it. | 20:00 |
| tbarron | cdelatte: thanks for your help. | 20:00 |
| cdelatte | anytime. I will create an account and add notes to the bug | 20:01 |
| tbarron | cdelatte: that would be awesome | 20:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tiago Pasqualini da Silva proposed openstack/manila: Add mountable snapshots support https://review.openstack.org/345526 | 20:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/manila: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/408097 | 21:23 |
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| bswartz | tbarron: you still around? | 23:39 |
| tbarron | bswartz: occasionally, what's up? | 23:46 |
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| tbarron | bswartz: I'm heading out of the house with my wife for dinner but will check the backlog when I get back | 23:53 |
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