Thursday, 2013-12-19

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openstackgerritYeela Kaplan proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Implement tables and unit tests for sqlalchemy storage backend  https://review.openstack.org/6022309:47
flaper87ykaplan: ^^^^^ I love reading those messages :)09:48
ykaplanflaper87: I love writing them :) :) :)09:48
flaper87ykaplan: good answer! :D09:50
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openstackgerritYeela Kaplan proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Implement tables and unit tests for sqlalchemy storage backend  https://review.openstack.org/6022314:10
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ykaplanflaper87, hopefully latest fix :)14:12
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flaper87ykaplan: thaaaaaaaaaaaaaanks :D14:27
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flaper87kgriffs: ping15:16
flaper87kgriffs: the cache patch is waiting for your love15:16
flaper87kgriffs: good morning, btw!15:16
flaper87I hope you're feeling great today15:17
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alcabreraGood morning!15:46
mpanettamorning15:46
mpanettaI forgot to bring the quaternions book :(  I was gonna loan it to ya to browse :)15:46
kgriffsflaper87: w00t15:47
kgriffsbtw15:47
kgriffsalcabrera, flaper87: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/make-ttl-optional15:47
kgriffsI want to get a decision on this since it impacts the v1.1 spec15:48
alcabrerampanetta: wow, that's awesome! I'll look forward to checking it out when you can bring it. :D15:48
alcabrerakgriffs: checking out them TTLs15:48
mpanettaalcabrera: warning, it may change the way you think about the univers a little bit :P15:49
mpanetta+e15:49
alcabrerakgriffs: +1, under the condition that it should be a configuration time option, e.g., "if max_ttl is set to 0, then limit checking is disabled"15:49
alcabreraSome deployments may want to disallow "forever messages"15:49
alcabrera(My own, personal, not-yet-existent deployment would be one of those) :D15:50
flaper87alcabrera: +1 something along those lines15:51
flaper87kgriffs: ^15:51
flaper87alcabrera: and good morning15:51
flaper87:D15:51
* flaper87 is happy, his 35mm f1.8 got home15:51
flaper87w000t15:51
alcabrerampanetta: more universe changing is good. I wrapped up "Love and Math" last night. Learned all about symmetries, learned more than ever before about duals, and then some more details on String Theory and supersymmetry.15:51
alcabreraflaper87: awesome! Picture *all* the things.15:51
mpanettadual numbers?15:51
mpanettaDuals are cool15:52
alcabreraflaper87: I hope to see your Twitter feed overflowing with pictures, haha. :)15:52
mpanettathere are quat duals btw ;)15:52
* flaper87 has a flickr and 500px account.15:52
alcabrerampanetta: whole dual systems, much like Voroni diagrams are the duals of Delaunay triangulations. :)15:52
flaper87I've uploaded like 0.00000001% of the pictures15:52
flaper87:/15:52
flaper87-ENOTENOUGHTIME15:52
mpanettaalcabrera: Lost me there ;)15:53
flaper87http://www.flickr.com/photos/flaper87/15:53
alcabreralol15:53
alcabrerado { usleep(1000); } while (not_enough_time());15:54
kgriffsok peeps, I'll document the semantics in the v1.1 spec, but someone will need to take up the implementation15:54
kgriffshttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/make-ttl-optional15:54
mpanettaflaper87: Nice pics!15:54
alcabreraflaper87: very nice! These are beautiful. Some of them make me want to take a walk by railroads.15:55
mpanettayes15:56
flaper87alcabrera: That's the 01 highway SFO->LA15:56
alcabrerakgriffs: v1.1's going to be fun. Lots of nice tweaks to the way things work.15:56
* flaper87 drove all the way down!15:56
flaper87kgriffs: LGTM15:56
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kgriffsflaper87: d00d, nice pix16:13
kgriffsi din't realize you were into photography16:13
flaper87:D thx16:13
flaper87http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d3100/ this is the one I use16:14
flaper87(the red one)16:14
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kgriffsflaper87: would you mind joining me in #solum for a minute? I want to discuss something oslo logging related16:22
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kgriffswhich will also be useful to marconi and, I suspect, other projects as well16:22
kgriffsAlex_Gaynor: if you have a moment, I'd love to chat with you on this in #solum as well16:22
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Alex_Gaynorkgriffs: About to leave for the office, shall I ping you when I'm there?16:54
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flaper87kgriffs: btw, did you see my comment in the falcon patch?16:56
mpanettaOoo falcon comments...16:57
cpallaresflaper87: put this on your terminal: telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl16:57
flaper87cpallares: ahhh, I think I know what that is! :D16:58
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cpallaresflaper87: the greatest story ever told by a terminal :P16:58
flaper87cpallares: yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!16:59
flaper87I had forgotten about that link16:59
alcabrerahehe, I remember jdprax showing me this long, long ago. :P17:00
mpanettacpallares: Sweet!17:00
kgriffsAlex_Gaynor: I think we got it covered. flaper87 is going to work on an oslo bp - maybe you guys can chat tomorrow morning17:00
cpallaresalcabrera: ...in a galaxy far far away?17:02
cpallares:P17:03
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alcabreracpallares: heh, yeeess - all of 10,000,000,000 nanometers away17:05
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alcabreraI read this tweet just now, and it made me think of Marconi17:09
alcabrera'is there any distributed systems person on the planet who would say “why yes, I like my queues to be unbounded”' - Jeff Hodges17:09
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cpallaresmpanetta, regarding this bug again https://bugs.launchpad.net/marconi/+bug/1245987 does this include falcon errors?17:23
flaper87cpallares: mmh, what falcon error?17:29
kgriffsflaper87: btw, per ttx's suggestion I am going to create a placeholder "graduation" bp to use for tracking things in lieu of a special "graduation" milestone17:30
cpallaresflaper87: like these https://github.com/openstack/marconi/blob/master/marconi/queues/transport/wsgi/metadata.py#L4817:31
flaper87kgriffs: oh, interesting. So that bp will depend on all graduation patches17:31
kgriffsright17:33
kgriffsor vice versa17:33
kgriffswhatever allows us to list them more easily in launchpad17:33
kgriffsalso, I would like to cut an i-2 tarball when the time comes, so am working to clean up all our bps and bugs to make sure they are properly targeted to ms.17:33
kgriffsttx also helped me to properly close out i117:33
kgriffslots of stuff to learn!17:33
Alex_Gaynorkgriffs: okey doke17:33
kgriffsAlex_Gaynor: thanks!17:34
* flaper87 has seen okey doke written in sooooo many different ways. He doesn't know how the heck it's supposed to be written17:34
kgriffsflaper87: I was thinking Alex_Gaynor could help sanity check that logging bp for us before we send it out for more general RFC17:34
flaper87kgriffs: yeah, I saw the emails17:34
kgriffslol17:34
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kgriffsspamtastic17:34
kgriffsI still have a lot to do, but it's a start17:35
kgriffs:p17:35
* flaper87 filters al kgriffs emaisl17:35
flaper87erm, did I say that aloud ?17:36
flaper87:D17:36
kgriffs:o17:36
* kgriffs wonders if flaper87 works for NSA17:36
* flaper87 filters all kgriffs emails and put them into the must-read-super-important-starred folder17:38
flaper87Unbelievable. The things I'm forced to say to keep kgriffs happy17:38
flaper87:D17:38
kgriffsLOOOOL17:39
* kgriffs wonders if flaper87 realizes that i have a recording of every word he has spoken over the past 2 years17:39
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* kgriffs hopes nobody else can see /me posts17:39
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flaper87LOLOLOLOL17:40
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cpallaresflaper87: yes on falcon error?17:44
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flaper87cpallares: ohhh sorry sorry sorry, I wasn't ignoring you :(17:45
flaper87cpallares: kgriffs keeps distracting me17:45
flaper87cpallares: he ate my homework17:45
flaper87I swear17:46
alcabrerakgriffs - giver of pop-tarts, eater of homeworks17:46
cpallareslol17:46
flaper87alcabrera: LOOOL17:46
flaper87cpallares: yeah, I'd say to log that as well17:46
flaper87cpallares: but instead of error it should be debug17:46
mpanettacpallares: Yes, I think it should include any error that the system generates.17:54
* mpanetta was out noming17:54
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mpanettago forth and nom!17:56
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mpanettahaha17:59
* alcabrera chews on gum, waits to eat the yogurts later18:02
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flaper87kgriffs: alcabrera https://thoughtstreams.io/flaper87/marconi-progress-and-updates/#card-303422:06
openstackgerritCindy Pallares proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Added logging to HTTP errors  https://review.openstack.org/6322222:08
kgriffsflaper87: eeeenteresting22:15
kgriffsi think that is a direction worth exploring, for sure22:16
flaper87kgriffs: yeah, I think it may bring some benefits, I'm not 100% sure the ones I posted there are the ones that make this thing worthwide but I'll keep digging into it.22:17
flaper87message size will definitely be something we'll struggle with22:17
kgriffsyep22:17
flaper87and that we need to improve somehow22:17
kgriffsfor sure22:17
flaper87that obviously consumes lot of bandwitdh and blah blah22:17
flaper87:D22:17
flaper87but think about sending the message to redis and putting the body into s w i f t  (<- testing notmyname's irc highlighter)22:18
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kgriffsthe size routing could be done in the client, e.g., if a message is big enough, stick the body in swift with an href to it in the message itself22:19
kgriffsthat avoids more bandwidth thing22:19
kgriffsbut that complicates clients22:19
* flaper87 should've mentioned notmyname in a separte message, not the one with s w i f t (facepalm)22:19
kgriffslol22:19
kgriffsrouting on it's own has merit22:20
torgomaticit's like making a loud noise in a cube farm; lots of people just pop up and go "what?"22:20
torgomatic:)22:20
flaper87kgriffs: yeah, I think curls, couhg cough cough, clients have to be stupid22:20
flaper87I mean, they just have to know how to talk to maconi and treat it gently22:21
flaper87the rest should go into marconi22:21
mpanettacpallares: Did I just get an email because you have started to work  on the 500 errors bug?22:23
mpanettabecause if so, yay! :)22:25
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alcabreraI'm out for the day guys. :)22:27
alcabreraflaper87, kgriffs: I'll check out the thoughtstream later. I saw "Routers" and thought it'd take more thinking than I can handle at the moment. ;)22:27
alcabreratake care!22:27
flaper87alcabrera: hehe, sure! just random thoughts22:27
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notmynameflaper87: sneaky sneaky22:27
flaper87notmyname: :D22:28
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