Monday, 2014-01-27

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openstackgerritliusheng proposed a change to openstack/marconi: add copyright notices to some source files
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flwangflaper87: I'm asking your return favor on this ? :D08:13
flaper87flwang: LOOOL08:14
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flaper87flwang: done08:22
flwangflaper87: thanks08:25
flwangflaper87: as for "What about adding a separate example for this? `` (or something along those lines) ?" did you mean add a new file to place the verification code of admin?08:25
flwangflaper87: i mean /health and /shards08:26
flaper87flwang: yeah, I'd like the example to be... simple08:26
flaper87nothing more there08:26
flaper87just get the client and post messages08:26
flaper87management examples could live in their own module08:26
flwangflaper87: or should I just remove my code from
flwangi mean simple.py08:27
flaper87flwang: yeah, remove it from simple and add a new example for health08:27
flaper87flwang: maybe something that actually uses the response08:28
flaper87flwang: like, how do I know everything is fine from that response ?08:28
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flaper87flwang: 'sup ?09:14
flwangflaper87: did you mean add a comment above 'health': {?09:15
flaper87flwang: nope, add a new key to the health dict09:16
flaper87'admin': True09:16
flwangflaper87: ok, got it09:43
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openstackgerritFei Long Wang proposed a change to openstack/python-marconiclient: Add /health support to the client
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flwangflaper87: can you revisit my patch ?13:26
flaper87flwang: will do13:26
flwangflaper87: thanks13:26
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alcabreraGood morning!15:02
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flaper87alcabrera: goood morning15:21
alcabreraflaper87: hey! How are you? :)15:22
flaper87alcabrera: I'm doing well, how are you doing?15:23
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alcabreraI'm alright. It's a slow Monday for me. :P15:27
maliniI am planning to stalk folks (no..not really) on openstack-infra, to get some eyes on my devstack patches15:29
alcabreramalini: the battle for the patches! :D15:30
maliniflaper87: do you know any core infra nicks, hanging ready on your finger tips?15:30
flaper87malini: mordred ?15:31
flaper87malini: sdage15:31
flaper87malini: fungi15:31
flaper87malini: jblair15:31 I go :)15:31
malinithanks flaper87!!15:31
flwangalcabrera: ping15:32
alcabreraflwang: hey! :D15:33
flwangalcabrera: I'm working on this
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flwangalcabrera: two questions I'd like to ask, are you free now?15:34
alcabreraflwang: got it. how's it coming along, and yes, I've some free time at the moment.15:34
flwangalcabrera: firstly, when i trying to recreate, I always get 201 instead of 204, am I missing anything?15:35
alcabreralemme double check the current state of the code15:37
flwangalcabrera: ok, thanks, and the 2nd question, when I request GET I got 405 error15:38
alcabrerahmmm, it *does* always return 201.15:38
alcabreraflwang: could you verify whether this is already implemented? (
alcabrerawhat I'm seeing is that it already does the replacing behavior. Someone might have already taken care of this. I might've even done it at some point and forgotten to update the status.15:40
alcabreraNow, about the 40515:40
flwangalcabrera: based on my test with the latest code, it's always return 201, so I'm going to close the bug15:40
alcabreraflwang: works for me15:41
flwangalcabrera: can you recreate the 405 error?15:42
alcabreraI'm going to try it now.15:43
alcabreraGET gives me 204 when empty, flwang. Now testing one shard case.15:47
flwangalcabrera: I can create sharding with PUT and delete it with DELETE, but the GET doesn't work, weird15:48
alcabrerahttp get localhost:8000/v1/shards worked with one shard, too15:48
alcabrerathe sharding interface should only be implemented when runnning on a mongodb storage15:49
alcabrera(so far, anyway)15:49
alcabreralemme retry these tests with sqlite15:49
alcabreraflwang: reproduced!15:50
alcabreraIf I set my storage to sqlite...15:50
alcabreraGET http://localhost:8000/v1/shards => HTTP 40515:50
flwangalcabrera: I noticed that by debug, but the question is I'm using mongodb15:51
flwangalcabrera: it's set in marconi-queues.conf   # Storage driver module (e.g., mongodb, sqlite)15:53
flwangstorage = mongodb15:53
alcabreraweird. :x15:53
alcabreraI was using storage = mongodb while getting the 201/204s.15:53
alcabrerathen swapped over to storage = sqlite and started getting 405s...15:53
flwangI think 405 is make sense for sqlite, since it's  not implemented, is it?15:54
alcabreraflwang: that's correct. storage/sqlite/[shards, catalogue] still need to be filled on.15:56
flwangalcabrera: the only conf may impact this is marconi-queues.conf, right?15:57
flwangalcabrera: if so, would you mind sharing yours with ?15:58
alcabreraflwang: I think we migrated away from having marconi-queues.conf. It should be just marconi.conf now. I'll paste mine in a moment. :)15:59
flwangoh, really? maybe that's the root cause :)16:00
flaper87we migrate away from it16:00
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flwangalcabrera: cool, works now16:04
flwangalcabrera: that's the root cause16:04
alcabreraheh - nothing quite like configuration file changes to wreak havoc. :)16:05
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alcabrerabe back in a bit.16:50
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kgriffsmalini: have you seen this failure?
kgriffsflaper87: ^^^16:56
kgriffsso, it doesn't fail every time16:56
kgriffsand it only fails on pypy when it does16:56
malinichecking now16:56
flaper87kgriffs: yup16:56
flaper87that's the failure I asked help with the other day16:57
kgriffsI looked at the code and couldn't see how /messages/messages could be possible16:57
flaper87that was fixed once16:57
flaper87flwang: did the fix for that16:57
flaper87not sure *why* that happens16:57
kgriffsgtk I'm not (totally) crazy16:57
malinikgriffs: YESY!!16:57
flaper87but I'm sure it happens just w/ pypy16:57
maliniI have seen it16:57
flaper87so, there's something evil behind pypy, but don't tell Alex_Gaynor16:57
kgriffsmalini: any idea of how to repro?16:58
malinifor a while I have seen them move around py27 & py33 as well16:58
kgriffssmells like a race condition16:58
flaper87malini: yeah, at that point there was actually a bug16:59
malinino..I have never seen tht thing, when I was writing those tests against mongo db16:59
flaper87malini: but it got fixed16:59
flaper87and moved into pyyp16:59
flaper87we jitted that bug16:59
kgriffsso, that test is running against mongo or sqlite?16:59
flaper87the gate ain't do mongo16:59
malinihmm…I saw tht happening after flwang fixed the 'bug'16:59
flaper87then flwang is liying to us17:00
flaper87flwang: dude, not fair, not fair17:00
malinicoz, I added tht test after the bug fix was merged17:00
kgriffsok, so maybe we just run that test in a loop and see if it eventually fails?17:00
flaper87kgriffs: I tried that once but it didn't work17:01
flaper87not saying you shouldn't try, though17:01
maliniwe can skip the test till we figure this out, if its becoming a blocker for gate17:04
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kgriffsmalini: ok, we may need to. Can you put it on your todo list to get a reliable repro?17:17
kgriffsactually, malini: can you also file a bug?17:18
kgriffsI don't want this to be forgotten about17:18
maliniyeap..I will reopen the original one17:18
kgriffschances are there really is a sneaky bug in there somewhere17:18
kgriffspls. link to the above error log17:18
maliniis there anything different b/w sqlite & mongo drivers in how the href is constructed?17:19
openstackgerritCindy Pallares proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Removed copyright from files without code
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kgriffstriaged. I marked it High until/unless we find out it is not a real bug17:28
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openstackgerritKurt Griffiths proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Skip message_get_many schema test until we can repro reliably
kgriffsflaper87, alcabrera, malini: ^^^18:01
alcabrerakgriffs: +2'd, because a bug was filed, and because (Maybe) false positives are annoying.18:02
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alcabreraflaper87: ping18:24
alcabreraI noticed something curious about the proper release of oslo.cache - there doesn't appear to be an unset function. :x18:24
alcabrerathere's unset_many18:24
kgriffscan you just pass a single item to unset_many?18:25
alcabrerakgriffs: it can be done, as long as it is wrapped in an iterable, say18:26
kgriffsmakes me think you may be missing an opportunity for optimizations18:26
kgriffsi mean, if the backend is faster when you tell it to unset a single thing vs many18:26
kgriffsmay not be significant, just a thought18:26
kgriffsbut anway, why not just have it take *args18:27
kgriffsthen you don't have to wrap in an iterable18:27
alcabrerathat's an interesting point18:28
alcabrera*args unpacking never ceases to please. :)18:28
kgriffsi mean, unless we expect someone to have an array already18:28
kgriffsbut then, they could just pass *things18:28
kgriffsfood for thought18:29
openstackgerritAlejandro Cabrera proposed a change to openstack/marconi: fix(shards): guard against registering bad shard URIs
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alcabreraflaper87: welcome back!18:47
flaper87alcabrera: :D18:48
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openstackgerritKurt Griffiths proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Skip message_get_many schema test until we can repro reliably
kgriffsstupid pep818:49
kgriffsok, I love pep8. usually18:49
alcabreraline too long error? ;)18:50
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openstackgerritAlejandro Cabrera proposed a change to openstack/marconi: fix(shards): guard against registering bad shard URIs
alcabreraclosed one critical bug, one test bug, and the bug originally planned for in that. ^^19:03
alcabrerakgriffs, flaper87: ^19:03
alcabreraso - two new bugs discovered while working on this patch.19:03
alcabrerait'd be awesome to get tempest support in. mongodb-related functionality gets little breaks from time to time since we aren't able to gate on those.19:04
alcabrerathanks for working on getting tempest support for marconi, malini!19:04
flaper87malini: +!19:04
flaper87malini: +119:04
kgriffsyes, we needs teh tempest19:04
maliniits fun, till the review part  :(19:04
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kgriffsflaper87: hey, thoughts on this patch?
flaper87alcabrera: btw, thanks for the comment on my post ;)19:59
flaper87kgriffs: unfortunately, I agree!20:00
flaper87lets skip it20:00
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/marconi: Skip message_get_many schema test until we can repro reliably
alcabreraflaper87: on real-time systems? sure, no problem. It made for good reading. :)20:03
flaper87alcabrera: :) I'm glad you like it. I had the feeling I was rushing the post20:04
flaper87as in not getting into enough details20:04
flaper87but hey, I've the same feeling every time I write something20:04
alcabrerait's a start. waiting to get all the details in on the first go would flood the reader.20:04
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openstackgerritAlejandro Cabrera proposed a change to openstack/marconi: fix(shards): guard against registering bad shard URIs
mpanettaflaper87: Link? :)20:05
alcabrerathere we go - jenkins will be happy now that kgriffs put in the patch to skip the nondeterministic test.20:05
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mpanettaflaper87: Fun stuff! :)20:06
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kgriffsalcabrera: do you remember what python hash library we almost used in marconi?20:07
kgriffswas it that one?20:07
kgriffsI want to say it was something else.20:07
flaper87I think I know what kgriffs is going to say20:07
kgriffsbut, maybe that was it after all20:08
alcabrerait was either that or pyhash20:08
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flaper87it was that one, AFAIK20:08
kgriffsflaper87: which?20:08
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alcabrera or
flaper87(git log)20:09
alcabreragit log knows much better than I20:09
flaper87my laptop is dying20:09
flaper87can't find it20:11
flaper87I think we were using pip-requires at that time20:11
openstackgerritKurt Griffiths proposed a change to openstack/marconi: chore: Fix pylint errors
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mpanettaflaper87: Yeah people seem to confuse real-time with real-fast.  I guess mostly ones that don't understand the definition of real-time.20:14
flaper87mpanetta: indeed. TBH, the term `real-time` bothers me even more. Not just because the misconception or lack of precision. It bothers me because there's no such thing as `real-time` to begin with20:17
kgriffsmalini: before I forget...20:17
jraim_i___kgriffs: ping20:17
flaper87real-time in the real world doesn't mean anything20:17
kgriffswe need to figure out a way to be testing with the env variable MARCONI_TEST_SLOW=120:17
kgriffsjraim_i___: yo yo20:17
flaper87There's no principle, statement nor theory describing what "real time" is20:18
jraim_i___kgriffs: do you guys have your devstack stuff working? I copied a lot of the work you all did for barbican and we are running into problems20:18
malinikgriffs: hmmm..I'll chk what other projects are that variable for slow tests?20:18
kgriffsmalini: ^^20:18
flaper87and since computers are ruled by the laws of physics, the should stick to that20:18
mpanettaI think the idea came from interactive systems, they had to control things in 'real time'20:18
kgriffsmalini: yes - thing is, we don't want to run it normally as part of the gate20:18
mpanettaExcept real-time does not really exist...20:18
kgriffsmalini: but, we should run at least once before tagging each milestone20:18
flaper87but anyway, this is definitely not something I wanted to bring up in that post20:18
malinijraim_i___: depends on what you call devstack stuff20:18
malinikgriffs: I'll add it to my list of we need a bp?20:19
kgriffsjraim_i___: malini has been working in that neck of the woods lately20:19
jraim_i___malini: When we enabled the marconi service in devstack, blows up20:19
flaper87mpanetta: yeah and then nodejs came out caliming it is "real-time"20:19
mpanettaHeh, but it isn't deterministic...20:19
flaper87jraim_i___: :S that doesn't sound good20:19
kgriffsmalini: mmm. Not sure. Maybe a bug. Unless you think it is going to be a big work item20:19
malinijraim_i___:  I was able to get it running locally in devstack20:19
flaper87the devstack thing should work20:20
mpanettaReal-time to me, mean deterministic if nothing else...20:20
kgriffsflaper87: WAH?! I thought Socket.IO === Realtime20:20
jraim_i___hmm..okay. Maybe it is our test environment or something20:20
kgriffsand Rails routes == REST20:20
flaper87mpanetta: not necessarily. There are real-time systems that are not deterministic20:20
flaper87however, it's a really low percentage20:20
flaper87kgriffs: LOOOOL20:20
malinijraim_i___: do you have logs or something we can look at ?20:20
mpanettaflaper87: true20:20
jraim_i___malini: sure. I'll have our guys through up a gist or something20:20
flaper87real-time just means: You gotta do this stuff in N units of time20:21
mpanettaAs a pretty basic definition, yes.20:21
flaper87then you can add whatever you want to it20:21
mpanettaI used to have a little black book of 'real-time' that I picked up at embedded systems conference years ago...20:21
flaper87you want it to be deterministic? Then you gotta make it fault-tolerant and blah blah blah20:21
mpanettaI wonder if I still have it somewhere20:21
flaper87I really recommend reading the bugs I linked at the bottom of that post20:22
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flaper87why did I write bugs?20:23
flaper87damn, computers are killing me20:24
flaper87or "bugging me"20:24
flaper87ok, bad joke20:24
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mpanettaOh, specific to distributed systems though.20:24
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flaper87well, the last one "Fault-Tolerant Real-Time Systems: The Problem of Replica Determinism" is really nice20:25
flaper87it's very expensive20:25
flaper87but IMHO, it's worth it20:25
flaper87it explains replica determinism based on a car system20:26
flaper87engines control, events, fault-tolerance etc20:26
mpanettaThat one I may have to look in to.20:26
mpanettaHOLY... Wow it really is expensive!20:27
mpanettaAnd it was released on my bday...20:28
mpanettaSOmeone should buy it for me :P20:28
flaper87alcabrera: ^^^^ mpanetta is talking to you20:28
mpanettaWhy are all the books I like so expensive? :P20:29
alcabrerafor realz, though - books as gifts are amazing (to me)20:30
flaper87mpanetta: because you'll be rich someday20:30
flaper87alcabrera: same here!20:30
alcabreraI've been fortunate over the past months that the books that I want are in the $20 - $50 range.20:31
alcabreraSo I can get one or two a month without making a dent in the budget. :)20:31
mpanettaflaper87: hah, I donno about that. :P20:32
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alcabreraflaper87, kgriffs: Can I set some eyes on this patch between today and tomorrow? . At the moment, our sharding implementation is broken as a result of oslo.cache changes. (unset -> unset_many)20:58
flaper87alcabrera: erm, I'm sorry? :(20:59
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alcabrerano worries. :)21:00
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alcabreraI don't think anyone is deploying off of master at the moment, so I'm sure it's okay.21:01
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alcabreraHave a good night, everyone. :)21:07
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flaper87kgriffs: ping22:16
flaper87kgriffs: btw, when talking about the things comming in mongodb 2.6, did I mention they basically re-wrote the query planner?22:16
flaper87and that there'll be basic index intersection ?22:17
kgriffsflaper87: pong22:17
flaper87:D :D :D :D :D :D :D22:17
* kgriffs drools all over keyboard22:17
flaper87I'm tempted to propose that the minor mongodb version required by Marconi should be 2.622:18
kgriffsI wonder how much ObjectRocket lags22:19
kgriffs(the latest  version)22:19
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amitgandhikgriffs: im playing around with pecan, and i see ceilometer uses wsme also22:51
amitgandhiwhat are your thoughts around wsme in a pecan world22:51
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kgriffsamitgandhi: the oslo/requirements team recommends using them together23:09
kgriffsthere has been some push-back on WSME for serialization23:09
kgriffsmostly because it doesn't afford API extensions, and so people like Nova can't use it23:09
kgriffspersonally, I feel like WSME suffers architecturally from trying to do both SOAP and REST in a single library23:10
amitgandhiyeh as im playing with it it makes me want to take a shower23:10
amitgandhifeels really xmlish23:10
kgriffsit brings along the baggage of strongly-typed, static resources where everything is magically serialized back and forth and pay-no-attention-to-the-man-behind-the-current23:10
amitgandhiprob from the SOAP23:10
kgriffsamitgandhi: glad to hear I'm not alone!23:11
amitgandhii guess devs from a java world can relate to it better23:11
kgriffsso, the crux of the issue wrt extensions is the models are defined at compile-time23:11
amitgandhibut i feel like i just stepped back in time 10 years23:11
kgriffsso, you can't just add fields on the fly or anything23:12
amitgandhiyeh that takes away some of the advantages of json23:12
kgriffseven if we were doing media type versioning instead of extensions and major API versioning, WSME would blow up23:12
amitgandhimakes it to strongly typed23:12
kgriffsamitgandhi: LOL re stepped back in time23:12
* amitgandhi i have to admin i prefer falcon over pecan too23:13
kgriffswell, I keep telling people "try both. I don't want to bias you"23:13
amitgandhifalcon seems more intuitive23:13
kgriffsI have yet to have someone come back and say "you know what, I like pecan better."23:13
kgriffsbut, I'm sure they are out there23:13
amitgandhiok i have to go now, but thanks for the insight23:14
kgriffsno problem23:14
kgriffsas always, use your own best judgment!23:14
* kgriffs is often wrong23:14
amitgandhiwill do23:14
amitgandhicurrently im just experimenting23:15
amitgandhiplaying around with what feels best23:15
amitgandhigetting the basic frameworks up etc23:15
amitgandhiok later23:15
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