Friday, 2014-04-04

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* flaper87 back12:50
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/marconi: Open Juno development
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flwangflaper87: morning13:03
flaper87flwang: hey hey13:05
flwangflaper87:  hey superman, I need your bless on my baby
sriramGood Morning :)13:05
flaper87sriram: gooooooood morning13:06
* flaper87 clicks13:06
flaper87flwang: could you address alej nit ?13:06
flaper87flwang: I'll ninja approve after that since alej already +213:06
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flwangflaper87: what's the nit? two blank lines?13:16
flwangbut pep8 didn't blame it at all13:16
flaper87because it is not checking the examples folder13:16
* flaper87 will fix that13:16
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flwangI see13:17
flwangI will fix that13:22
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openstackgerritFei Long Wang proposed a change to openstack/python-marconiclient: Add sample for Keystone auth
flwangflaper87: ^^^13:31
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flaper87flwang: +A13:34
flwangflaper87: thank you13:36
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/python-marconiclient: Add sample for Keystone auth
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flwangmalini: moning13:38
malinigood evening flwang!13:38
malinicongratulations ! you are already at the weekend ;)13:39
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alcabreraGood morning, all. :D13:41
flaper87malini: is getting to the weekend a life achievment ?13:41
flaper87alcabrera: goood morning13:41
flaper87malini: and good morning :)13:41
malinithat is week achievement :D13:41
* flaper87 has failed at actually doing weekend stuff during weekends13:41
* flaper87 just learned something new13:42
maliniflaper87: I will continue to enlighten you 8-|13:42
alcabrerathere's tiered achievements for making it to weekends13:42
alcabrerabronze: 1 weekend experienced13:42
alcabrerasilver: 10 weekends13:42
flaper87alcabrera: so sorry we didn't talk as much as I wished about GADTs yday. We had the hangout and then I had to run13:42
alcabreragold: 100 weekends13:42
alcabreraand so forth13:42
* flaper87 is now back home13:42
alcabreraflaper87: hey, no worries. Things looked hyper busy for you yesterday. :)13:43
alcabreragadts are forever13:43
* flaper87 wants to buy the "Enlightments for weeks and life" book written by the one and only: MALINI!!!!!!13:43
flaper87ah damn, I'm still hungry13:44
flaper87you got it13:44
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flwangmalini: yeah, I'm in the weekend13:48
flwangmalini: but I have to work to catch you guys, sigh :(13:48
maliniflwang: you are becoming another flaper87 !13:49
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flaper87flwang: oh, don't put that on us13:49
* flaper87 is not going to feel guilty13:49
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malinilooks like I can start working on benchmarking today..woot14:11
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flaper87alcabrera: <- recomended14:19
flaper87full of programing history14:19
* alcabrera clicks14:25
alcabreraflaper87: ah, stepanov already on the first video14:26
alcabreraI'll check it out14:26
alcabreratyhanks, flaper87!14:26
flaper87alcabrera: yeah, he basically speaks in most of them, a bit rambly sometimes but those videos are definitely worth watching14:27
flaper87(or most of them just hearing)14:27
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alcabrerawhat'd you think of the yminsky video, flaper87? (effective ML, make illegal states unrepresentable)14:28
flaper87alcabrera: that video is really nice. I really enjoyed following what he was saying. I normally don't watch the videos but just hear them while doing other things but I took the time to watch it and fully focus on the presentation14:29
flaper87it was worth it14:29
flaper87The most important thing is that most of those statements are applicable to any language14:29
flaper87probably languages with certain features14:29
flaper87but not just ML14:29
flaper87I liked the fact that he just focused on ML despite knowing this\14:30
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alcabreraI'm glad to hear it. :D14:32
alcabrerayeah, you need a decent type system to manage those techniques14:32
alcabreraany of [scala, f#, haskell, ocaml, sml] are directly applicable14:33
alcabreraI suspect Rust is, as well14:33
alcabrerathat video is one that I like to go back tio14:33
alcabrerait's so full of just Really Solid Advice!14:33
flaper87alcabrera: yeah, it is. Although rust don't have GADTs nor HKT (it'll probably have, though)14:33
* flaper87 is tired :P14:34
alcabreraI hope it gets them. :)14:34
alcabreraHKT, especially14:34
alcabreraGADTs, I'm not that worried about14:34
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flaper87there are several way sto go around GADTs in Rust but HKT, well, it's not something you can just workaround14:34
alcabrerasince it gets really awkward to encode fundamentally lovely types (Monoid, Maybe, Either, Monad, Functor, Arrow) w/o HKT14:34
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alcabrera':k Either' is all '* -> * -> *', so we can prevent silliness like 'Either Maybe Maybe'14:35
alcabrerafrom compiling14:36
alcabrera(:k Maybe being * -> *)14:36
flaper87alcabrera: yeah, as of now (as pointed in the blog post about HKTs) you can get around with a bunch of `Option` and `match`14:36
flaper87but that ends up in a christmas-tree like codebase14:36
flaper87and that's not really nice14:37
flaper87also, the code generated out of all those matches wouldn't be *that* optimized14:37
flaper87so, HKTs are definitely a good thing to have14:37
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kgriffsdang. I just noticed the comment in setup.cfg still says "icehouse" :p15:00
kgriffswell, I think we can still cut rc115:00
kgriffsflaper87: did you happen to already ping ttx this morning?15:00
flaper87kgriffs: I did yday (re rc1)15:00
flaper87I just told him we were ready to cut it15:00
kgriffsok, sounds good15:00
flaper87but I don't think he's done anything so it may be worth pinging him again15:01
flaper87kgriffs: btw, sorry, I forgot to let you know15:01
openstackgerritKurt Griffiths proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Update comment for version to say "Juno" instead of "Icehouse"
kgriffsflaper87: that's ok, i'll forgive you some day. ;)15:02
flaper87kgriffs: +A is that enough for you to forgive me?15:02
flaper87Couldn't have been approved faster than that15:02
alcabrerasome ninja-ing going on, I see15:02
kgriffsflaper87: maybe if you throw in some fresh pasta...15:03
alcabrerammm, pasta...15:03
alcabrera10x parmesan cheese15:03
kgriffsflaper87, alcabrera: where do we stand with a redis driver for oslo cache?15:11
flaper87I think there's a GSoC project that will focus on adding it15:12
alcabrerakgriffs, flaper87: there's one project proposing to add it, and I believe that's the most we have, atm15:14
kgriffsflaper87: what do you think about that thread wrt auth_token middleware?15:14
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alcabrera"dogpile.cache builds on the dogpile.core locking system, which implements the idea of "allow one creator to write while others read" in the abstract."15:17
alcabreraI like that locking mechanic15:17
alcabreraHowever, this implies in-memory caching15:17
alcabrerasince there's no way to ensure that property for an external data store15:17
alcabreranot applicable for Redis backend15:17
flaper87kgriffs: I think that was a wise thing to do (re thread)15:20
flaper87FWIW, I'm done waiting for the dogpile.cache wraper around oslo.cache15:20
flaper87as soon as Juno is open on oslo-inc I'll update the memcache patch15:20
kgriffsflaper87: what does dogpile do for us?15:20
flaper87and we should mvoe forward to add the redis support15:20
flaper87kgriffs: it already has support for pretty much everything we want to add support to oslo.cache15:21
flaper87but its api is not as nice15:21
flaper87FYI, dogpile's author == sqlalchemy author15:21
kgriffsoh, so would oslo cache basically morph into a facade[1] on top of dogpile?15:21
flaper87kgriffs: yeah pretty much15:22
flaper87TBH, I'm still not sure what Morgan's idea is / was15:22
flaper87but that's what I understood15:22
kgriffsoh, ok15:23
kgriffswell, seems like if nothing else happens, we should work with keystone to split out their middleware into a separate library15:23
kgriffsit only makes sense15:23
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/marconi: Update comment for version to say "Juno" instead of "Icehouse"
kgriffsi mean, what does middleware have to do with the client?15:25
flaper87kgriffs: the same a bear has to do with a parachute15:26
kgriffsnow you're talkin'15:26
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kgriffsmalini: ping16:00
malinikgriffs: pong16:01
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flaper87malini: ping16:03
maliniI am popular today :D16:03
* flaper87 is just messing with malini16:03
flaper87malini: sorry :(16:03
maliniflaper87: you just popped my bubble16:04
flaper87malini: don't get me wrong, you're already popular ;)16:04
flaper87I was just throwing some dead pings out there16:04
maliniphew..I am relieved now ;)16:04
flaper87The only thing I hate about kgriffs PTL candidacy is that since he's the only candidate, I don't get the chance to vote for him16:05
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maliniI loved the candidacy email :)16:06
flaper87malini: me too!16:06
maliniI didnt see many others which focused on others :)16:06
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kgriffsmalini: hey, so I was just putting together a list of TODO items for graduation from a QA perspective.16:11
kgriffsso far I have:16:11
kgriffs1. voting devstack gates for all stock storage drivers,16:11
kgriffs2. tempest stuff16:12
kgriffsso, what do we need to do for tempest?16:12
maliniWe will also have a new contributor helping us with this16:13
kgriffsreally? cool.16:13
maliniJorge already contributed one test, but he will be working more16:13
kgriffsso, this isn't simply a matter of moving the existing integration tests?16:13
malinikgriffs: I will keep the existing tests where they are, since we want to guarantee the quality of our project no matter what somebody else says16:14
maliniBut we will add new tests to Tempest16:14
malinisome of it will be duplication16:15
kgriffsoh, ok16:15
malinithere is still debate in QA community about where those tests should be16:16
maliniI believe projects should be held accountable for their quality - & the functional tests help us do that16:16
maliniwe dont want somebody else telling us that our claim doesn't work :-P16:17
flaper87and since PTL Voting is open and kgriffs is our only candidate, he's officially Marconi's PTL for Juno16:20
* flaper87 will party tonight, all night long!16:20
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alcabrerakgriffs: congrats on the PTL victory. You crushed the opposition. None were left standing. ;)16:43
maliniCongratulations kgriffs!!16:44
kgriffsI just arranged a few packages to be delivered to some folks last week. I'm sure they has nothing to do with anyone being dissuaded to run.16:44
* kgriffs knows some people16:45
kgriffsanybody get a voting link?16:46
kgriffsI'm not seeing one.16:46
Alex_GaynorI don't think voting links are sent out if there's only one candidate?16:46
kgriffsno, but "We are having elections for Nova, Neutron, Cinder, Ceilometer,  Heat and TripleO."16:47
malinimaybe you need to be an ATC in the specific project?16:48
malini'If you are a Foundation individual member and had a commit in one of the16:48
maliniprogram's projects[0] over the Havana-Icehouse timeframe (April 4, 201316:48
malini06:00 UTC to April 4, 2014 05:59 UTC) then you are eligible to vote.'16:48
flaper87they are not sent16:48
flaper87Alex_Gaynor: ^16:48
flaper87kgriffs: ^16:49
* flaper87 got voting links for projects he *had NO IDEA* he has contributed to.16:49
Alex_Gaynorflaper87: haha, same, I think I sent a pep8 fix to some of these, and nothing else :-)16:50
kgriffsmalini: ah, I missed that blurb. makes sense.16:51
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kgriffsand by "missed" I mean "totally glossed over and now I feel dumb"16:53
malinithts how I usually read16:54
maliniI have to read everything 3 times, to get the entire content16:54
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sriramCan i get this blueprint assigned to me?17:29
flaper87sriram: sure thing17:30
sriramI should start work on this really soon.17:30
sriramthanks flaper87 :)17:30
flaper87sriram: what's your username on LP ?17:30
flaper87sriram: done17:31
flaper87thanks for taking it17:31
kgriffsalcabrera: can u join #falconframework? I wanted to discuss something17:37
kgriffsbrb (Pizza!)17:41
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alcabrerakgriffs: sure thing17:52
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