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| prashanthr_ | hi can i know what's the name for the next upcoming release of openstack ? | 02:49 |
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| vkmc | Hi all :) | 12:56 |
| AAzza | vkmc: hi) | 12:57 |
| vkmc | AAzza, o/ | 12:58 |
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| alcabrera | prashanthr_: Juno. :) | 13:51 |
| alcabrera | Good morning, all. :) | 13:51 |
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| malini | Hello prashanthr_, vkmc, AAzza!! | 13:55 |
| prashanthr_ | Hi malini, Good morning all ! :) | 13:56 |
| malini | We have all the three smart interns together for the first time! | 13:56 |
| malini | When does the internship officially start? | 13:56 |
| prashanthr_ | ha ha | 13:56 |
| prashanthr_ | thanks to all of you for the help to get into Gsoc | 13:56 |
| prashanthr_ | it officially kicks off from May 21st | 13:56 |
| prashanthr_ | and goes until 21st of Aug | 13:57 |
| malini | We are excited to have you on-board :) | 13:57 |
| alcabrera | currently, we're all community bonding-ish. :D | 13:59 |
| alcabrera | malini, prashanthr_: o/ | 13:59 |
| prashanthr_ | yeah bonding-ish period on now. :) | 14:02 |
| prashanthr_ | I am unable to see flwang since a couple of days now ? is he on a vacation ? | 14:03 |
| alcabrera | prashanthr_: last I've seen him, according to my chat logs, was Apr. 23 around 1600 UTC | 14:05 |
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| prashanthr_ | Ohh okay ! Wanted to thank him 4 ! :) | 14:10 |
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| sriram | Good morning prashanthr_ :) | 14:16 |
| sriram | welcome to the team :) | 14:16 |
| prashanthr_ | good morning sriram :) | 14:16 |
| vkmc | Morning malini, alcabrera, prashanthr_, sriram! | 14:21 |
| malini | hello vkmc! | 14:21 |
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| alcabrera | heya, vkmc. :) | 14:22 |
| alcabrera | good morning, sriram! | 14:23 |
| sriram | whoa, so many good mornings :P :D | 14:23 |
| alcabrera | haha | 14:23 |
| prashanthr_ | i was just reading a bug report where it said: " Since we're not willing to promote sqlalchemy as the recommended driver, | 14:24 |
| prashanthr_ | it makes sense to remove the mysql dependency from the dependencies | 14:24 |
| prashanthr_ | list." | 14:24 |
| alcabrera | I agree with this bug report | 14:25 |
| alcabrera | removing mysql as a dep also makes it easier to install marconi, overall | 14:25 |
| alcabrera | since users don't need access to mysql_config on their path | 14:26 |
| vkmc | Sounds good! | 14:26 |
| prashanthr_ | Ohh okay. I thought using SQLAlchemy was being proposed to support a fleet of SQL Databases. | 14:27 |
| alcabrera | it was prashanthr_, but... | 14:27 |
| alcabrera | SQL stores/relational DBs are pretty terrible for queuing systems. :P | 14:27 |
| vkmc | But we are keeping the driver for compatibility reasons, right? | 14:28 |
| alcabrera | yup, for now, I'm not sure it'll stay in the tree forever. It might shift to third-party status at some point, vkmc. | 14:29 |
| vkmc | It makes sense | 14:30 |
| prashanthr_ | ohh okay. Just on a curious note, would the perforamance be bad even if SQLLite / MySQL is used in the main memory mode ? caz i believe both of them support it. | 14:31 |
| alcabrera | hmmm | 14:32 |
| alcabrera | in that case, it might be do-able | 14:32 |
| alcabrera | and it would fall in line with Redis | 14:32 |
| alcabrera | so it's an interesting perspective | 14:32 |
| alcabrera | e.g. | 14:32 |
| alcabrera | non-durable queues | 14:32 |
| alcabrera | s/queues/messages | 14:32 |
| alcabrera | which is something we'd love to support over the coming 6 months | 14:33 |
| prashanthr_ | that's a really interesting case .. to support it will queues also have a TTL & grace like messages ? | 14:35 |
| alcabrera | prashanthr_: no. queues will still be just a storage abstraction. Messages are the main thing that matter. :) | 14:36 |
| alcabrera | in fact | 14:36 |
| alcabrera | queues will be secondary citizens in the future. We're aiming to transform them into "topics" | 14:37 |
| alcabrera | meaning | 14:37 |
| alcabrera | they're created lazily when you post a message | 14:37 |
| alcabrera | and a message may be associated with multiple topics | 14:37 |
| alcabrera | the design discussions on this have yet to begin | 14:37 |
| prashanthr_ | this is really really interesting :) "On demand Queues" | 14:38 |
| alcabrera | yup! | 14:39 |
| alcabrera | lazy queues, even | 14:39 |
| vkmc | Where will be posted the summit etherpads? | 14:41 |
| vkmc | It would be cool to follow the sessions remotely :) | 14:42 |
| malini | vkmc: The etherpads will get updated as the session goes on | 14:44 |
| malini | wonder if we can do a G+ ? | 14:44 |
| vkmc | malini, That would be great! | 14:45 |
| malini | I have no idea if we can do that, but we should give it a try | 14:46 |
| vkmc | Though I'm not sure if the internet connection in the summit will be able to support the load | 14:46 |
| malini | hmmm.. :( | 14:47 |
| malini | tht would be lame | 14:47 |
| vkmc | Haha I'm thinking on 5k people connected | 14:48 |
| vkmc | 5k++, because this summit probably will even gather more people | 14:48 |
| vkmc | s/even gather/gather even | 14:49 |
| alcabrera | saddest Java code: if (x < 5); { x = 5; } -- the assignment is always performed | 14:53 |
| vkmc | alcabrera, Does that compile? o_O | 14:54 |
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| alcabrera | vkmc: yup. :P | 14:54 |
| alcabrera | ref: http://themonadreader.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/nccb.pdf -- Practical Types System Benefits | 14:56 |
| alcabrera | *Type | 14:56 |
| kgriffs | alcabrera: OH in #falconframework "There was such a great slide show about Falcon (one of the best explanations of plain http I've seen)" | 14:57 |
| alcabrera | kgriffs: oh yeah? :) | 14:57 |
| alcabrera | was this about "The Definitive Introduction to Falcon", kgriffs? :P | 14:58 |
| kgriffs | yeah, you should hang out in the channel more often to hear people praising your slides and stuff. ;) | 14:58 |
| alcabrera | lol | 14:58 |
| malini | tht sounds like a bait ;) | 14:59 |
| alcabrera | thanks for passing on the love, kgriffs. :D | 14:59 |
| alcabrera | kgriffs: I had actually forgotten that I detailed HTTP so thoroughly in the slides. | 15:01 |
| * alcabrera forgets what he presents about a month after the fact | 15:01 | |
| kgriffs | :D | 15:01 |
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| alcabrera | A reminder of the things that are really important in life: http://www.thepartyanimal-blog.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/pancake_bunny.jpg | 15:10 |
| alcabrera | /cc kgriffs | 15:10 |
| malini | anybody knows if the python marconiclient supports command line options? | 15:20 |
| malini | kinda like 'marconi list-queues' ? | 15:21 |
| alcabrera | malini: not yet. I don't think marconiclient has a CLI yet. It's more like an SDK, atm. /cc flaper87|afk | 15:22 |
| kgriffs | malini: I want that too! | 15:22 |
| kgriffs | 'marconi tail' | 15:22 |
| kgriffs | etc. | 15:22 |
| malini | we need that done, if we have to add tempest cli tests :( | 15:22 |
| kgriffs | srsly? | 15:23 |
| malini | kgriffs: Can you take a look at this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90202/ - it is incomplete, but want to make sure I am going in the right direction. | 15:24 |
| malini | kgriffs: The Tempest API tests are ok , with what we have now | 15:24 |
| malini | I was just trying to add CLI tests | 15:24 |
| malini | nobody said it is needed to graduate, but I am afraid it'll pop up as a req in the last minute | 15:25 |
| kgriffs | sure thing | 15:25 |
| kgriffs | (re the review) | 15:25 |
| malini | thanks! | 15:25 |
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| kgriffs | malini: one more thing that I just thought of re 90202 | 15:48 |
| * malini listening | 15:48 | |
| kgriffs | there may be an opportunity to improve performance by creating a "pop" method for the storage driver | 15:48 |
| kgriffs | having two discrete steps may not be the most efficient way to claim + delete. We may be able to make it faster by doing the claim and delete within a single method | 15:49 |
| kgriffs | malini: that being said, that is an "iteration 2" | 15:49 |
| malini | tht is a good suggestion..I was worried it would be slow | 15:49 |
| kgriffs | this first patch would be "get it working" | 15:49 |
| kgriffs | malini: speaking of performance, I never did hear back from Paul Q. about his hackday project to build some kind of autobench thing in Go | 15:50 |
| malini | I didnt know Paul Q was planning on it | 15:51 |
| malini | me & sriram are planning to do some benchmarks next week - but it'll be good to see results from other folks | 15:51 |
| kgriffs | malini: somebody mentioned he had been working on some kind of benchmarking project but I can't find any info. Doesn't seem to be on github. I don't know yet whether it would be useful for us. | 15:52 |
| kgriffs | s/project/tool | 15:52 |
| malini | the plan is to 'create a plan' :D , share it with the marconi team first | 15:52 |
| kgriffs | I'm getting itchy to just write something myself | 15:52 |
| malini | & then OS ML too | 15:53 |
| kgriffs | malini: cool, sounds good | 15:53 |
| malini | we need some feedback on the plan, before we just throw the numbers | 15:53 |
| kgriffs | awesome, Jay got elected to TC | 15:54 |
| kgriffs | </random> | 15:54 |
| kgriffs | Flavio didn't make the cut, too bad. Seems like he did better this time than last, though | 15:55 |
| kgriffs | http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_d34934c9fd1f6282 | 15:55 |
| malini | :( | 15:59 |
| malini | The Ironic PTL made it in | 15:59 |
| malini | or is it Trove? | 15:59 |
| malini | one of the incubated projects | 15:59 |
| malini | I hope tht will help bring more clarity to the graduation process | 16:00 |
| kgriffs | maybe | 16:08 |
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| malini | kgriffs: w.r.t overloading max_messages_per_claim with the pop limit, do you think it would be cleaner to just specify a new config option | 16:59 |
| malini | I thought abt it, but didnt add a new one because it should essentially be the same limit as claim | 16:59 |
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| kgriffs | yeah, I know what you mean. I think it is ok to leave it as-is and just do our best to document it, since adding a new option may not actually be any less confusing. | 17:01 |
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| alcabrera | malini, kgriffs: in that case, renaming the option might make it more apparent that this limit serves a dual purpose, or perhaps it can unify the purposes | 17:09 |
| alcabrera | e.g. | 17:09 |
| alcabrera | we're trying to limit the number of messages returned | 17:09 |
| alcabrera | in both cases | 17:09 |
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