Tuesday, 2014-07-08

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openstackgerritFei Long Wang proposed a change to openstack/marconi: limit=0 in sqlalchemy means 0 instead of unlimited  https://review.openstack.org/10535304:53
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wpfflwang:  ping05:50
flwangwpf: pong05:50
wpfflwang:  is it the convension that limit=0 means unlimited?05:53
flwangfor mongo, yes, for sqlalchemy, no05:53
wpfit seems that in the non-pooled context , in the storage driver for mongo, sqlalchemy ,it really means 0 when unlimit =005:53
flwangboth?05:54
flwangeven in mongo?05:54
wpfI just checked the list of messaages.py of sqlalchemy05:55
flwangyou confused me05:55
wpfif you set limit =0 , then sel.limit(0)05:56
flwangI think the issue is only existed in sqlalchemy, but I'm not aware if mongo has the issue, based on my test, no05:56
flwangfor sqlalchemy?05:56
wpfyes05:56
flwangyep, it's05:56
wpfL192 line of messages.py ofr sqlalchemy05:56
wpfso it means 0 ,and it 's valid sql statement althougth does not make sense05:57
flwangwhy it doesn't make sense?05:57
flwangyou can specify a limit value what you want, why it doesn't make sense?05:58
wpfI mean 0 is valid05:58
wpf"doesn't make sense" here ,means that no one want limit = 005:58
wpfand for mongo  ,code as below05:59
wpfif limit is not None:05:59
wpf            cursor.limit(limit)05:59
flwangIMHO, if you're specifying 0, then it means you don't want to get anything05:59
wpfyes, I know05:59
flwangyep05:59
flwangI can see your point, we may need some check05:59
wpfso what I want to say is that  why "limit=0" means unlimited05:59
flwanghttp://docs.mongodb.org/manual/reference/method/cursor.limit/06:01
flwangbecause the original author want to leverage the 0=unlimit in mongodb06:01
flwangbut after that, we start to support sqlalchemy, then it's used in a wrong way06:01
wpfwell,  cursor.limit(0) means unlimited in mongo?06:02
wpfit's out of my knowledges06:02
flwangA limit() value of 0 (i.e. .limit(0)) is equivalent to setting no limit. A negative limit is similar to a positive limit, but a negative limit prevents the creation of a cursor such that only a single batch of results is returned. As such, with a negative limit, if the limited result set does not fit into a single batch, the number of documents received will be less than the limit.06:03
wpfok06:04
flwangdoes it answer your question?06:05
wpfthen we may check the non-pooled sqlalchemy driver also , I thought there 0 means 006:05
flwangas for if we need a check as for sqlalchemy, I would say hold on06:05
flwanghmm... let me think06:06
flwangthere are some reasons why I saw hold on, because:06:07
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flwang1. the issue I'm fixing is we're the limit of alchemy in a wrong way, and it's causing some bad result, you can't create pool if you're using sql db as the pool management db06:08
flwang2. but as the the non-pool scenario, no code are using the limit=0 intentionally and I don't think end user will do that either, right?06:10
flwang3. sqlalchemy will be removed06:11
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flwangthat's it06:11
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wpfOk, I will think it more , thanks for the explaination of the limit=0 in mongodb,06:12
flwanganytime, as for the non-pool scenario, you can have a chat with the other guys to get more insights. it can be tracked by another patch if it's necessary06:13
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flwang_flaper87: ping10:58
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flaper87flwang_: pong11:07
flwang_so the meeting of this week is after 4 hours, right?11:11
flwang_and have we started the meeting rotate?11:11
flaper87flwang_: we'll do it at the same time this week and we'll probably start rotating starting next week11:14
flwang_btw, seems there are lots of bugs in the sqlalchemy driver, i'm not sure if we should continuelly fix them. do you know any outlook about removing the sqlalchemy driver?11:14
flaper87I haven't shared the time we agreed on with the rest of the team yet11:14
flaper87flwang_: we'll remove the sqlalchemy driver from the messaging API and keep it for the management API11:15
flaper87flwang_: basically you can use sqlalchemy to store the pools info but not messages11:15
flaper87flwang_: does that make sense?11:15
flwang_oh, come on, so I have to fix that one :)11:16
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flwang_based on current implement, the uniqueconstriant for sqlalchemy on sqlite doesn't work11:16
flaper87flwang_: :P11:16
flaper87flwang_: unique constraints need to be enabled in sqlite, AFAIK11:16
flaper87you should probably navigate the history, I remember fixing that thing once11:16
flaper87flwang_: btw, can you do some reviews on my flavor patches11:17
flaper87we're moving very slow in Marconi11:17
flaper87:(11:17
flwang_flaper87: sure11:17
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flwang_as for the design of flavor11:23
flwang_I would suggest there is flavor id to avoid name conflict, you know, there maybe a lot of flavors created by differant users11:24
flwang_https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98777/4/marconi/queues/storage/base.py I'm talking about this11:25
flaper87Users can't create flavors11:25
flaper87that's an admin thing11:26
flwang_so we're assuming there won't too much flavors, right?11:26
flwang_and it can be handled by name, is it?11:26
flaper87To create a flavor you need to know what pool that flavor will sit on top of11:26
flaper87flwang_: I'm fine with using ID, I'm just refreshing the whole idea :P11:27
flwang_flaper87: got, thanks for heads up :)11:27
flaper87I thought about that, though. I went with name because it's simpler to remember/write down.11:27
flaper87although, id's would give us less trouble11:28
flwang_we're using name in Catalogue, but I don't really like it11:28
flwang_personally, I would suggest use id besides name to avoid any future potential issues11:29
flwang_thoughts?11:29
flaper87I'm fine with that11:31
flaper87I'll add it for today's meting agenda11:31
flaper87s/for/on/11:31
flwang_cool, then I will review all the flavor patch tomorrow, deal?11:32
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flaper87flwang_: deal11:36
flaper87thanks11:36
flwang_thanks, btw, I have a quick question.11:37
flaper87shoot11:37
flwang_about the detailed health, kgriffs suggested to show the message amout for each pool, do you think we should show all the messages including claimed, or just the ^valid^ messages?11:38
flaper87all of them?11:41
flaper87Rabbit shows acquired, ready and total11:42
flaper87acquied == claimed11:42
flaper87ready == free11:42
flaper87total = acquired + free11:42
flaper87Btw, counts are expensive so be careful with that11:42
flwang_yep, I know, so any suggestion?11:46
flwang_and kgriffs said we should provide a time about a whole work flow response time, such as create queue, create messages, claim, etc...11:46
flwang_so as for the count, seems we should talk to database directly to get better performance, right?11:46
flaper87yeah, I'd start with counts for now11:48
flaper87lets get that merged11:48
flaper87and then figure out what to add next11:48
flaper87people will contribute with more stats11:49
flaper87;)11:49
flaper87brb, lunch11:49
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openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Use the class queue_name and project for tests  https://review.openstack.org/10117213:46
openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Clean up queues created for certain tests  https://review.openstack.org/10117313:46
openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Fix typos  https://review.openstack.org/10545713:46
* flaper87 should learn how to pep813:46
openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Fix typos  https://review.openstack.org/10545713:48
openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Use the class queue_name and project for tests  https://review.openstack.org/10117213:48
openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Clean up queues created for certain tests  https://review.openstack.org/10117313:48
sriram1whoa whoa whoa13:49
flaper87sriram1: go and review13:49
flaper87:D13:49
flaper87also, good morning :P13:49
flaper87very simple patches13:49
flaper87malini: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^13:49
flaper87alcabrera: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^13:49
flaper87:D13:49
flaper87:D :D :D :D13:49
sriram1sure.13:50
sriram1will you be seeing the football semi-final today? :)13:50
alcabreragood morning, all. :)13:51
flaper87probably not, I'm hosting the python meetup today13:51
flaper87alcabrera: gooooood morning my friend13:51
flaper87alcabrera: you're being missed in this channel. I hope everything is going great over there13:51
mpanettaMorning all :)13:51
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alcabreraflaper87: +2 all the patches! :)13:53
maliniflaper87: done!13:54
alcabreraflaper87: things are going well. I'm continuing my studies in typed-FP, type systems, and making things along the way. :)13:54
malinialcabrera: are you already in Austin?13:55
flaper87alcabrera: awesome, so happy to hear that!13:55
alcabreramalini: I'm still in GA, up until August 22nd.13:55
malinialcabrera: did you ever stop by the office? I saw ur sign on the whiteboard :)13:56
alcabreramalini: I did, late one night when I was on my way to McDonalds and Kroger's. I picked up most of my books and left that there. ;)13:57
malinialcabrera: so it was the real you !13:58
sriram1I just noticed it, nice touch alcabrera :)13:58
alcabrerahaha13:58
alcabrerayes, it was13:58
alcabreraI made it terribly subtle13:59
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flaper87do you guys know if kgriffs will be around today?14:07
maliniHe is supposed to be back today14:08
flaper87I'm heading to the office, I should make it in time for the meeting. If i don't please go ahead w/o me14:08
flaper87malini: ^14:08
flaper87malini: ok, thanks!14:08
flaper87that d00d is always on vacation14:08
flaper87pssss14:09
* flaper87 hides and runs away14:09
malinisays the conference guy ;)14:09
ametts... who lives in Lake Como14:09
* ametts thinks flaper87's whole life is a vacation :)14:10
flaper87ametts: LOL. fair enough14:11
flaper87:P14:11
flaper87kk, bbl14:11
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prashanthr_1Good morning all :)14:12
openstackgerritMalini Kamalambal proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Implement POP in v1.1 API  https://review.openstack.org/9020214:14
malinihello prashanthr_!14:14
prashanthr_1Hello malini !  How you doing ?14:14
malinigood :)14:15
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* flaper87 is back14:38
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flaper87vkmc: helloooooooooooo14:40
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vkmcflaper87, hiiiiiiiiiiiii14:40
flaper87vkmc: how are you doing?14:41
flaper87did you read Gordon's email?14:41
flaper87Looks he agrees that the best thing to do is to *just* support amqp as-is14:41
flaper87without covering Marconi's API14:41
flaper87which is what we agreed on yday14:41
vkmcflaper87, all good around here :) and you?14:42
flaper87vkmc: all great :D14:42
vkmcflaper87, I'm reading it yeah, I'm glad he provided some feedback!14:42
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vkmcflaper87, awesome, so let's stick with AMQP14:43
prashanthr_1vkmc, flaper87: good morning ! :)14:44
vkmcevening prashanthr_!14:45
flaper87prashanthr_1: moooooorning14:45
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* flaper87 is in cleanup mode14:47
vkmcflaper87, code level or desktop level?14:48
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/marconi: Use the class queue_name and project for tests  https://review.openstack.org/10117214:48
flaper87vkmc: code level14:49
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/marconi: Clean up queues created for certain tests  https://review.openstack.org/10117314:51
vkmcit was serious14:54
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/marconi: Fix typos  https://review.openstack.org/10545714:54
flaper87vkmc: more coming14:55
* vkmc holds tight14:55
flaper87google is asking me if I know myself14:57
flaper87when did it became buddist ?14:57
flaper87become*14:57
malinimeeting????15:00
vkmcmeeting \o/15:01
maliniwe'll resolve all the existential questions there15:01
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maliniflaper87: openstack-meeting-alt15:01
flaper87malini: yup15:02
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malinioz_akan_: can u join #openstack-meeting-alt?15:24
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vkmcAAzza, join us in #openstack-meeting-alt :)15:29
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sriram1AAzza: can you join us for the meeting :)15:36
AAzzayes, course)15:37
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/marconi: limit=0 in sqlalchemy means 0 instead of unlimited  https://review.openstack.org/10535315:43
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* vkmc picks the minutes16:01
malinithanks vkmc!!16:02
vkmc:) np!16:02
openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Switch over oslo.i18n  https://review.openstack.org/10549816:03
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openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Switch over oslo.i18n  https://review.openstack.org/10549816:03
flaper87vkmc: thanks16:04
vkmcflaper87, np!16:06
vkmcflaper87, in reply to the question 'why Marconi wants to provide support for AMQP transport'16:07
vkmcflaper87, 'because we want to provide an messaging service alternative for AMQP clients'16:08
vkmcflaper87, is enough? or do you have something else in mind?16:08
flaper87vkmc: there are a couple of reasons. the one you just said is certainly valid16:09
flaper87vkmc: another reason is that the semantics are different and Marconi can provide store-and-forward capabilities for AMQP16:10
flaper87another good reason is why not?16:10
flaper87What if we ask those questions the other way around?16:10
flaper87Why shouldn't we support it?16:10
vkmchaha yeah, that's the first thing that came to my mind16:10
flaper87What would the benefit of not having this transport be?16:10
flaper87(besides from just having 1)16:10
flaper87does the above make sense?16:11
vkmcyeah it does16:11
vkmcsince Marconi is a messaging system then having support for more than one transport it's certainly a good quality16:13
flaper87not necessarily a good qulity but it definitely makes sense16:13
flaper87it allows marconi to support a broader set of use-cases16:13
flaper87I really don't like when people just drop questions on emails without providing actual feedback16:14
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/marconi: Wrong param order when using errors.QueueNotMapped  https://review.openstack.org/10373016:14
vkmcwell yeah... it is not very constructive16:14
vkmcI don't know what reply he is expecting16:15
vkmcflaper87, thanks for the feedback16:17
flaper87vkmc: in those cases just give your best based on what you would expect and also provide feedback on his email16:17
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flaper87it's perfectly ok to say: "Next time be more explicit and constructive"16:18
flaper87"P.S: Stop top-posting"16:18
* flaper87 forgot to turn off jerk-mode16:18
vkmclol16:18
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flaper87malini: can I get reviews here? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98777/16:30
flaper87since we agreed on using name16:30
openstackgerritFlavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Switch over oslo.i18n  https://review.openstack.org/10549816:45
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maliniw.r.t https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98777/ , we had some feedback during the summit abt some use cases tht might need to set queue metadata etc. What is our final decision on tht?17:38
sriram1I think we decided to keep it right?17:39
sriram1flaper87|afk: ^17:39
malinisriram1: tht's what I though too17:40
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malini:D17:40
maliniI don't drive away any of my selves17:41
sriramoh, you should try it out.. sriram1 is most probably on vacation now. :P17:41
* sriram shouldnt have driven him away :O17:41
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openstackgerritMalini Kamalambal proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Implement POP in v1.1 API  https://review.openstack.org/9020218:39
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Obulpathikgriffs, flaper87, malini, sriram, vkmc, balajiiyer: A Proof of concept for notifications: https://etherpad.rax.io/p/notifications19:02
ObulpathiPlease take a look and give your feedback19:02
maliniObulpathi: Can you paste this in https://etherpad.openstack.org/ ?19:03
Obulpathimalini: sure19:03
ObulpathiSorry .. the link on etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/container-notifications19:07
Obulpathikgriffs, flaper87, malini, sriram, vkmc, balajiiyer: A Proof of concept for notifications: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/container-notifications19:07
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