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| flwang | prashanthr_: hi | 06:33 |
| prashanthr_ | flwang : Can i know how expired messages are purged from the mongodb database ? | 06:33 |
| prashanthr_ | is it daemon based ? | 06:34 |
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| wpf | with a quick look, I did not find the *purged* code (I remembered I ever saw some), are they just be filtered out? | 06:44 |
| prashanthr_ | wpf: Ohh okay. So messages remain in the system until someone claims them | 06:46 |
| wpf | expired messages can't be claimed I thought | 06:50 |
| wpf | hoping flwang can provide some more details about the purge -:) | 06:50 |
| wpf | prashanthr_: you did not find the code to purge them either ? | 06:51 |
| prashanthr_ | wpf: Nope. | 06:53 |
| prashanthr_ | I used to just filter out the expired messagesz | 06:53 |
| prashanthr_ | when kgriffs|afk pointed it out | 06:54 |
| prashanthr_ | and in Redis memory is very crucial | 06:54 |
| prashanthr_ | so i think it's better to get rid of the expired messages | 06:54 |
| wpf | in the sqlalchemy code, even the *purged* codes were commented, but the idea is to delete those one when posting messages | 06:56 |
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| prashanthr_ | wpf: I did not get it sorry. | 07:06 |
| wpf | the idea to purge the expired messages in sqlalchemy code is using the sql statement to delete them when posting messages | 07:09 |
| wpf | but the code was commented out | 07:09 |
| prashanthr_ | wpf: Ohh okay. I have not checked the sqlalchemy code at all. | 07:12 |
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| prashanthr_ | vkmc: Good mrng :) | 13:33 |
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| vkmc | cpallares, o/ | 14:32 |
| cpallares | hey vkmc! | 14:33 |
| cpallares | vkmc: how are you? | 14:33 |
| vkmc | cpallares, all good and you? :) | 14:33 |
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| cpallares | cpallares: pretty good :) | 14:39 |
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| kgriffs | prashanthr_: as a first step, you could trigger deleting expired messages by each message post or message listing operation. | 14:55 |
| kgriffs | however, that could add a lot of load to the system | 14:55 |
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| kgriffs | so, the better long-term solution is to have some kind of separate GC daemon that runs on the box | 14:55 |
| kgriffs | and every, say, 60 seconds it deletes all expired messages. | 14:56 |
| prashanthr_ | kgriffs: Good morning ! :) | 14:56 |
| prashanthr_ | Actually the deletion of the messages can be scheduled using setex call on the message id | 14:56 |
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| prashanthr_ | but i also maintain a list of all messages in a queue | 14:57 |
| prashanthr_ | which cannot be removed using the setex call | 14:57 |
| kgriffs | oh, I see. | 14:57 |
| * kgriffs learned something new | 14:57 | |
| kgriffs | guess that would make sense to have setex since people often use redis in place of memcache | 14:57 |
| kgriffs | but yeah, there will need to be a way to periodically clean up list of all messages in the queue | 14:58 |
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| kgriffs | I suppose another way is to keep a timestamp in there of the last cleanup time | 14:58 |
| kgriffs | then on each message post operation, check the timestamp and also do a cleanup if 60 seconds has elapsed | 14:58 |
| kgriffs | but that would still add some overhead to the post operation | 14:59 |
| kgriffs | prashanthr_: good evening, btw! | 14:59 |
| prashanthr_ | kgriffs: he he thanks :) I tried to use a technique similar to that for claims. But alcabrera|afk suggested that modules must have decoupling. | 14:59 |
| prashanthr_ | and perform just one simple function | 15:00 |
| kgriffs | ok | 15:00 |
| kgriffs | what do you think about having a GC daemon? | 15:00 |
| kgriffs | or it could just be a script that we tell people to put in crontab | 15:01 |
| prashanthr_ | kgriffs: I think the crontab idea would be great | 15:01 |
| prashanthr_ | as it would allow people the flexibility to schedule | 15:01 |
| kgriffs | yep | 15:02 |
| kgriffs | it's pretty simple, so doesn't seem to be much value having the script do its own scheduling | 15:02 |
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| prashanthr_ | kgriffs: agreed. | 15:03 |
| prashanthr_ | Also a message lives on until there is a valid claim on it | 15:03 |
| prashanthr_ | am i right here ? | 15:03 |
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| kgriffs | actually, no it expires according to it's TTL | 15:09 |
| prashanthr_ | kgriffs: Sure. | 15:10 |
| prashanthr_ | I will start working on it. | 15:10 |
| kgriffs | the caveat is | 15:10 |
| kgriffs | that when you claim a message, it's lifetime will be extended so it does not expire before the claim does | 15:10 |
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| kgriffs | you can see that logic in the mongo driver | 15:10 |
| kgriffs | (actually, it is extended to claim expiration + grace seconds) | 15:11 |
| kgriffs | anyway, some people will use marconi simply as a message feed and not claim messages | 15:12 |
| kgriffs | sort of the same way you might use http://atomhopper.org/ | 15:12 |
| prashanthr_ | kgriffs: Ahh this makes sense. I shall have a look into atom hopper | 15:12 |
| prashanthr_ | also i had a look at trollius | 15:13 |
| kgriffs | so yeah, messages need to expire eventually in that use case and be deleted because you don't want the data set to grow forever. | 15:13 |
| kgriffs | prashanthr_: oh yeah? I just came across it recently, but it looked like a promising way to get async I/O that works across py2 and py3 | 15:13 |
| kgriffs | what have you found out about it? | 15:13 |
| prashanthr_ | kgriffs: Yes i saw a video by Guido Van Rossum about it | 15:13 |
| prashanthr_ | he just explains the asyncio part which is just py3.3+ compat | 15:14 |
| prashanthr_ | but trillio works along the same lines | 15:14 |
| kgriffs | right | 15:14 |
| prashanthr_ | I think we can add a AsyncConnection class to redis-py | 15:14 |
| prashanthr_ | which is basically an extension of the trollius.Protocol | 15:15 |
| kgriffs | we may also need to submit a patch to pymongo so we can have async support on py3, but that is a project for another day | 15:15 |
| kgriffs | (FWIW) | 15:15 |
| prashanthr_ | which can send and receive data from the redis server | 15:16 |
| kgriffs | prashanthr_: the asyncio stuff in 3.4 is pretty elegant, but yeah, depends on py3 language features | 15:16 |
| kgriffs | prashanthr_: sounds good | 15:16 |
| prashanthr_ | kgriffs: Do we have to work with redis-py community for this | 15:17 |
| prashanthr_ | ? | 15:17 |
| prashanthr_ | or we just extend it with our driver ? | 15:17 |
| kgriffs | prashanthr_: wait, I thought there was a way to do it without patching redis-py? | 15:17 |
| kgriffs | https://github.com/andymccurdy/redis-py#connections | 15:17 |
| kgriffs | "You can create your own Connection subclasses as well." | 15:18 |
| prashanthr_ | true. | 15:20 |
| prashanthr_ | kgriffs:Right. | 15:20 |
| prashanthr_ | Currently I am just developing it with a fork of the redis-py | 15:22 |
| prashanthr_ | https://github.com/PrashanthRaghu/redis-py | 15:22 |
| prashanthr_ | I will write a basic connection and then test it from there | 15:22 |
| prashanthr_ | It currently has a dummy AsyncConnection class | 15:22 |
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| vkmc | kgriffs, morning! | 15:41 |
| kgriffs | howdy! | 15:41 |
| vkmc | I'm working on the client and finding some stuff that may need to be changed | 15:42 |
| vkmc | in the API we removed the exists method for queues, should we remove it in the client as well? | 15:43 |
| kgriffs | well, it still exists in the 1.0 API | 15:43 |
| vkmc | yeah, that was my concern | 15:43 |
| * kgriffs didn't intend to pun | 15:43 | |
| * kgriffs but finds it funny anyway | 15:43 | |
| vkmc | lol | 15:44 |
| vkmc | gotcha | 15:44 |
| kgriffs | vkmc: so... the question is what is our versioning strategy for the client? | 15:44 |
| vkmc | yeah :p | 15:44 |
| kgriffs | ideally, the client can query to server to figure out which apis are available | 15:44 |
| kgriffs | I think there was a bp somewhere for exposing an endpoint for that | 15:45 |
| kgriffs | but sans adding an api discovery endpoint, the client could just try to get homedocs for all known versions | 15:45 |
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| kgriffs | oh, interesting. I just looked at this | 15:48 |
| kgriffs | https://github.com/openstack/python-marconiclient/blob/master/marconiclient/queues/client.py | 15:48 |
| kgriffs | looks like some thought has already been put into versioning | 15:48 |
| vkmc | it looks like that | 15:49 |
| kgriffs | so, by default you could return the most recent version | 15:49 |
| kgriffs | and if you wanted to be even smarter, the default would probe the server to find out what it supports, and by default return the latest support api | 15:49 |
| vkmc | I got confused with the client version and the api version | 15:49 |
| kgriffs | looks like it may be a 1:1 relationship? | 15:50 |
| kgriffs | v1 api, v1 client | 15:50 |
| kgriffs | v1.1 api, v1.1 client | 15:50 |
| vkmc | I noticed we have many features that has been modified in v1.1, so I was submitting bugs accordingly | 15:50 |
| vkmc | yeah | 15:50 |
| vkmc | but we have v1 currently | 15:50 |
| vkmc | so it's ok to have the exist method and have shards instead of pools | 15:51 |
| kgriffs | vkmc: we may just want to create one blueprint for all the client work to implement v1.1 | 15:51 |
| vkmc | kgriffs, sounds good | 15:51 |
| kgriffs | FWIW, I listed the client work under API v1.1 on the roadmap: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Roadmap_(Marconi)#Upcoming_milestones | 15:51 |
| vkmc | right now there are some bps for v1.1 | 15:51 |
| kgriffs | did you see one for the client specifically? I can't remember if one was ever created | 15:52 |
| kgriffs | I haven't yet gotten launchpad all cleaned up for j-3 | 15:52 |
| vkmc | kgriffs, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-marconiclient/+spec/api-v1.1 | 15:53 |
| kgriffs | but I did update the roadmap so we can figure out what belongs | 15:53 |
| kgriffs | ah, cool | 15:53 |
| kgriffs | I will move to j-3 | 15:53 |
| vkmc | :) cool | 15:53 |
| vkmc | I could work on that, for j-3 | 15:53 |
| vkmc | right now I'm on the CLI but I found some dependencies | 15:54 |
| kgriffs | ok, cool | 15:54 |
| kgriffs | thanks! | 15:54 |
| vkmc | I think that the CLI for v1 will be ready for j-3... the client for v1.1 depends on all those bps | 15:54 |
| kgriffs | yep, we have tons of work to do. :p | 15:55 |
| vkmc | well, the shards to pool thing affects v1 too :) so the report is valid | 15:56 |
| vkmc | haha we will do it! | 15:56 |
| vkmc | btw kgriffs, I'm a bit worried about the AMQP transport | 15:56 |
| vkmc | driver | 15:56 |
| vkmc | I saw it in the roadmap for J-3 | 15:56 |
| vkmc | but I'm still not sure how we are going to deal with the binary messages AMQP can handle | 15:57 |
| vkmc | what do you think would be better for Marconi in this stage? | 15:57 |
| kgriffs | hmmm | 15:57 |
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| vkmc | we also have some limitations for the claim support | 15:58 |
| vkmc | so... the AMQP transport would support the prod/cons pattern only | 15:59 |
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| kgriffs | oic | 16:00 |
| kgriffs | so, a few thoghts | 16:00 |
| kgriffs | thoughts | 16:00 |
| kgriffs | it's hard to know what is going to work sometimes before trying it (science!) | 16:01 |
| vkmc | of course :) | 16:01 |
| kgriffs | so, your work with AMQP has been really helpful in advancing our thinking | 16:02 |
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| vkmc | well, that's good to hear | 16:04 |
| vkmc | if it helped for something, then I'm happy | 16:04 |
| kgriffs | sounds like we still have more experimenting and work to do though that won't all fit in j-3 | 16:04 |
| kgriffs | is that what you were thinking? | 16:04 |
| vkmc | yeah, my main concern is that this was targeted for Juno and I couldn't deliver | 16:05 |
| kgriffs | I really think there is an AMQP + Marconi story somewhere that could be a really useful thing for the community. | 16:05 |
| vkmc | so I was looking for an alternative version, perhaps more limited, that would still be useful for Marconi | 16:06 |
| kgriffs | I think that we will get there, but it will need some more time to sort out | 16:06 |
| vkmc | sure | 16:07 |
| kgriffs | so, let me see if I can somehow indicate that on the roadmap. | 16:07 |
| vkmc | ok :) | 16:08 |
| vkmc | so... for the last part of my internship I'll focus on the client | 16:08 |
| vkmc | so at least I can contribute with some code, in other area | 16:08 |
| vkmc | and continue with the research efforts for AMQP | 16:09 |
| kgriffs | yeah, I think the AMQP research you've done is really valuable as I said before. But for j-3 we could definitely use help on the client. | 16:10 |
| vkmc | will do that then | 16:12 |
| vkmc | thanks kgriffs | 16:12 |
| kgriffs | yw | 16:13 |
| kgriffs | vkmc: btw, is there a wiki page somewhere that summarizes what you have learned about AMQP? | 16:14 |
| kgriffs | I think that would be a great to have. | 16:14 |
| kgriffs | ... | 16:18 |
| kgriffs | .. | 16:19 |
| kgriffs | BTW everyone, j-2 is done | 16:19 |
| vkmc | kgriffs, yes there is | 16:21 |
| vkmc | (sorry, got distracted by the phone) | 16:21 |
| vkmc | I have to update it with the latest | 16:22 |
| vkmc | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi/specs/amqp/api/v1 | 16:22 |
| kgriffs | ah, cool | 16:22 |
| vkmc | so... I'll try to leave a POC done | 16:23 |
| vkmc | the client.py mentioned in that wiki is a simple implementation of an AMQP client I'll upload too | 16:23 |
| kgriffs | cool, that would be hugely helpful. I just want to make sure we have everything squared away by the end of the internship | 16:26 |
| vkmc | that AMQP transport implementation would only be able to receive and retrieve messages in a prod/cons fashion | 16:26 |
| vkmc | yup | 16:26 |
| vkmc | as I told flaper87 last week, I'm planning to keep contributing to Marconi after the internship so I will be around to keep with this research/implementation | 16:27 |
| kgriffs | that would be awesome! | 16:27 |
| vkmc | I'm done with college so I now can devote more time to open source :) | 16:27 |
| kgriffs | we have a a few contributors who have been less active lately, so it would be great to have your continued support | 16:27 |
| kgriffs | vkmc: oh, congrats! | 16:27 |
| vkmc | kgriffs, thanks! | 16:28 |
| kgriffs | bbl | 16:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kurt Griffiths proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Deprecate partial field in v1.0, remove in v1.1 https://review.openstack.org/109391 | 19:12 |
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| flwang | kgriffs: ping | 21:21 |
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| kgriffs | o/ | 21:25 |
| kgriffs | hey there | 21:25 |
| kgriffs | whats up? | 21:25 |
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| flwang | just want to confirm how the sqlalchemy remove the expired messages | 21:40 |
| flwang | kgriffs: somebody asked me the question yesterday, but I just know mongo driver is depends on the TTL of mongodb, but I found the code of sqlalchemdy about this is commented, am I missing anything? | 21:42 |
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| kgriffs | when the sqlite code was ported to sqlalchemy, deleting expired messages somehow fell through the cracks. The old sqlite code was copied over and commented out as a reference, but never ported to sqla | 21:58 |
| kgriffs | hope that makes sense... | 21:59 |
| kgriffs | :) | 21:59 |
| flwang | kgriffs: did you mean sqlalchemy can support similar TTL mechanism like mongo to remove the expired messages? | 22:02 |
| kgriffs | no | 22:02 |
| kgriffs | at least, not to my knowledge | 22:03 |
| kgriffs | what I mean is that the raw SQL needs to be ported to sqla syntax | 22:03 |
| kgriffs | flwang: I've actually got to run now, and I will be offline until Monday...thanks for helping sort this out. You now know everything I do about it. :) | 22:04 |
| kgriffs | have a good weekend! | 22:05 |
| flwang | ok, see you | 22:05 |
| kgriffs | o/ | 22:08 |
| kgriffs | cheers | 22:08 |
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