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jpich#startmeeting Horizon16:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Jun 17 16:00:17 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jpich. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'horizon'16:00
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jpichHi, everyone o/16:00
tzumainnhiya!16:00
rdopieralskihi16:00
santibhi!16:00
gary-smithhi16:00
yzuoHi16:00
Clu__Hi16:00
jristo/16:00
jristhi jpich16:00
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jgravelHi16:01
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jcoufalo/16:01
crobertsrhHello16:01
jtomasekhi16:01
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akrivoka\o16:01
akrivokahey16:01
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lsmola__hola16:01
doug-fishhi all16:01
lchenghello16:01
rhagartyhi16:01
jpichI'll be chairing the meeting this week too, David should be back for the next one16:02
jpich#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon16:02
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lblanchardhi all16:02
jpich#topic Juno-216:02
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jpich#link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/juno-216:02
jpichI put this here because we usually have a general status/progress update but it's still early in the milestone16:03
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jpichThere's probably way too much in the milestone, though since many already have code for review please consider sparing a few cycles for reviews16:03
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jpichespecially for the higher priority stuff16:03
crobertsrh+1 for reviews :)16:04
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jpich#topic Reminder: Review Keystone spec that impacts Horizon16:04
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jpichlcheng?16:05
jpich#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96867/5/specs/juno/saml-web-authn.rst16:05
lchengcrobertsrh: do you have something to help us visualize sahara dashboard? something like a demo video?16:05
jpich#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96648/16:05
crobertsrhsorry, that was something I meant to add to the blueprint the other day.  I'll dig up 1 (or maybe more) youtube videos to link to16:05
jpichlcheng: There's a Sahara related topic in the agenda, maybe we can dig into it then?16:05
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lchengjpich: oops, okay :-)16:06
jpichlcheng: You put up the Keystone topic on the agenda, did you have anything to add or a general summary of what's happening to share?16:06
lchengyeah, so I just wanted everyone to be aware of those two patches16:06
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lchengit will impact horizon at some point when implemented16:06
lchengrelated to how horizon will support federation16:07
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jpichI guess that will involve django_openstack_auth changes / blueprints of its own?16:07
lchengif anyone has some background in federation, it would be helpful to review those stuff and make sure it is feasible.16:08
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ericpetersondefinitely, also obtaining the scoped token too will change.... the navigation project picker16:08
lchengyes, eventually there would be a blueprint for horizon for that.16:08
jpichThat should be interesting...16:08
lchengat the moment, there are still hashing out the interaction between keystone, horizon and identity provider16:09
lchenganyway, just wanted to throw that out there. In case, anyone is interested in this topic.16:10
jpichThanks lcheng! Definitely important stuff to keep an eye on16:10
jpichQuestions or shall we move to the next topic?16:10
jpich#topic Sahara merge16:11
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jpichI put the topic in the agenda though crobertsrh can probably talk about it better than I can :-)16:11
crobertsrhSure.  The merge is still largely stuck on reviews.16:11
jpichWhat I learnt from the logs of the last Cross Project meeting is that the Sahara dashboard needs to merge in Horizon by j-2 or it won't get in at all16:11
jpichwhich would suck16:11
jpichOne of Horizon's stated goals is that we support integrated projects out of the box16:12
jpichSo please, all review help is very much appreciated16:12
crobertsrhYes.  We've had some good comments from people when they have looked at the code.  We just need more of that.16:12
jpichFrom what I can tell crobertsrh is very responsive to feedback :) (Thanks!)16:12
crobertsrhYes, I'm generally very nice :)16:12
crobertsrhI did just add a link to a  youtube video showing the sahara dashboard16:13
crobertsrh...to the blueprint16:13
crobertsrhhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ha_3oEcgJ816:13
jpichThanks!16:13
jpich#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/merge-sahara-dashboard16:13
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crobertsrhIf anyone has questions while reviewing.  Please feel free to ping me directly anytime.  It's my #1 priority right now, so I'll be happy to help any way I can.16:14
lchengcrobertsrh: cool, thanks for that16:14
* akrivoka makes a note to look at Sahara stuff16:14
jrist:)16:14
tmazurcrobertsrh, thank you16:15
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jpichThanks, crobertsrh!16:15
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jpichAnything else to add or questions?16:15
crobertsrhThanks in advance for all your +2's :)16:15
jpich:P16:15
tmazurcrobertsrh, I still have a few questions so I think we could discuss it at review page16:15
crobertsrhNo problem.  I constantly refresh my page of reviews.  I'll be waiting for your questions, tmazur :)16:16
jpichCool16:17
jpich#topic Horizon library name poll (rdopiera)16:17
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tmazurcrobertsrh, ok :)16:17
jpichrdopieralski?16:17
jpichAre you around? It was your topic16:18
* jpich voted but doesn't have a handy link to the results anymore16:18
jcoufaljpich: I think he is not around atm16:19
jcoufaloh he is16:19
jcoufalmy bad16:19
tzumainnhttp://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_ea99af9511f3f25516:19
tzumainnhas the results, I thikn16:19
* jcoufal is going to poke him :)16:19
rdopieralskijpich: I'm here16:19
tmazurhttp://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_ea99af9511f3f25516:19
jpichrdopieralski: woot16:19
jpichLooks like the boring horizon_lib won :)16:19
jcoufalbooooriiing16:20
rdopieralskiso bascially the poll is here: http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_ea99af9511f3f25516:20
rdopieralskiand as you can see there is no dispute :)16:20
akrivokathe more boring the better16:20
rdopieralskiI also don't think we need to check for trademark violation in this situation16:20
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jpichSounds reasonable to me :-)16:20
* jcoufal is sad that schwarzschild didn't make it :(16:20
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rdopieralskias an aside, and personal plug, the xstatic jquery patch is finally clear to be merged :)16:21
tqtranwow.... horizon_lib... zzzz16:21
jristyay horizon_lib16:21
jpichrdopieralski: Great, thanks!16:21
ericpetersonhorizon_lib_w_cheese ?16:21
rdopieralskithat's all, I'm going to write an e-mail about the end of voting to the mailing list16:21
tmazurjcoufal, really? You like this? ^^ I was afraid nobody liked...16:21
mrungewtf. what a lame name.16:21
jpichThat's great, thanks16:21
doug-fishericpeterson:  you should have submitted that earlier!16:21
jpichrdopieralski: I think you can stay around since you proposed the next topic too :-)16:22
mrungewho voted for that sh***?16:22
mrungeand who proposed it?16:22
jrist:)16:22
doug-fishI confess to nothing.16:22
tmazurmrunge, that was me ^^16:22
rdopieralskiok, so there was a question of whether we want to do a mid-cycle meeting16:22
jpichAnd a majority of people voted for it16:23
rdopieralskipossibly with a sprint16:23
jpichso that's it, ok rdopieralski is ahead of me with topics16:23
jpich#topic Mid-cycle meeting? (rdopiera)16:23
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rdopieralskiand since finding the best time and place is a pain, there was a proposition to just meet at the sprint in Paris16:23
jpichIt's still a bit late to organise one though, since some key people will likely have to arrange travel halfway across the world to try and make it16:24
rdopieralskithe problem is, this is in 2 weeks16:24
rdopieralskiright16:24
rdopieralskiso I thought I will just throw it here for discussion16:24
jpichwhile later is not really "mid-cycle" anymore16:24
rdopieralskiI've been told that RH would be happy to host a meeting in Brno16:25
tzumainncan I ask what the focus of the mid-cycle meeting would be?16:26
jpichThe topic would also benefit from PTL input, it would be worthwhile poking him about it when he's back later this week16:26
rdopieralskitzumainn: I have no idea :)16:26
jpichI can see it as being useful for a focused team effort on the big things like the split and the sahara merge but it is late to be organising this16:26
tzumainnrdopieralski, lol, but you'll buy the beers? :D16:27
jristI vote no on mid-cycle. Not enough significant changes?16:27
rdopieralskitzumainn: I can buy some of the beers16:27
jpichjrist: The split seems pretty significant and far reaching to me?16:27
jristfair point16:28
rdopieralskiI'm also working on a config change that is going to touch a lot of things16:28
rdopieralskiand feedback on that would be nice too16:28
rdopieralskibut we can do it online if you ask me16:28
jpichrdopieralski: Maybe better to have the discussion on list so people who can't make it to this meeting can have some input too?16:28
rdopieralskijpich: ok, I will send an e-mail16:28
jpichThough if you don't believe there is a strong need for it either... :)16:29
jcoufaltmazur: sorry, I got distracted by my colleague - yeah I love it :)16:29
jpichrdopieralski: Ok, cool16:30
jcoufalI personally would vote no for organising one and meet in Paris if we get people who can get there16:30
tmazurjcoufal, :)16:30
jcoufalso maybe question to the mailing list who would be willing and able to join Paris meetup?16:31
jpichSounds good, let's bring it up in the thread as well16:31
akrivokajcoufal: I agree, that makes sense16:31
ericpetersonsubquestion:  will rdopieralski still owe us beer if we are in paris?16:32
tzumainnmight want to set an endpoint for responses as well16:32
rdopieralskijcoufal: would you like to bring it up? I suck at human interaction :)16:32
jcoufalericpeterson: i think he can't take it back ;)16:32
jpich#topic Reminder: Review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64103/, basis for additional cinder work (gary-smith)16:32
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gary-smithJust a reminder there to review that change when you can16:32
jcoufalrdopieralski: you want to take the initiative to write the email to the ML or should I do that?16:32
rdopieralskiericpeterson: only if I'm also there16:32
rdopieralskijcoufal: it would be great if you could do it16:33
jcoufalrdopieralski: I see now, yes, I can do that16:33
rdopieralskijcoufal: sorry16:33
jcoufalsorry for interrupting another topic already16:33
jristwill do16:33
jpichgary-smith: What is it blocking?16:33
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gary-smithanother blueprint I have to implement qos-specs16:33
gary-smithwhich is intended to use the same type of UI interaction, and I wanted to verify that the approach in the change was acceptable before building on it16:34
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jpichSounds reasonable, do you have a link to the other blueprint as well?16:34
jpichah, here it is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/cinder-qos-specs16:35
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gary-smithyou beat me to it16:35
santibgary-smith: I'm working on a blueprint to create a generic widget to add key=value pairs metadata or extra specs: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/key-value-metadata-widget16:35
gary-smithsantib: when is that planned?16:35
gary-smithsorry, I see: juno-316:36
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jpichPerhaps you could collaborate on it so that it's ready early enough for gary-smith to build his work on top of it?16:37
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gary-smithsounds reasonable, presuming there are no objections to santib's approach16:37
santibjpich: definitely. I've already submitted a patch. no objections at all :)16:37
jpichI haven't look at the patch yet but it is something we do want to genericise/widgetise16:38
jpichsantib: Ah nice! Thanks16:38
santibjpich: u r welcome.16:38
jpichI see there's some feedback already16:38
gary-smithregardless, my cinder peers are interested in having that extra-specs patch land for their users16:38
santibjpich: there is. I'm already working on it16:38
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jpichsantib: Great!16:39
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jpichgary-smith: I understand. You can help review santib's patch and perhaps rebase yours on top of it, if it makes sense? I've added the patch to my List Of Things To Review, hopefully it'll also get some core attention shortly16:41
jpichAnything else on this?16:41
gary-smithjpich, will do16:41
jpichCheers16:41
jpich#topic Specs repo - do we want it? http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/037797.html (akrivoka)16:41
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akrivokaI was wondering what everyone's opinion is on having a horizon-specs repo16:41
rdopieralskiakrivoka: that would replace blueprints, right?16:42
akrivokamany other projects have already introduced a specs repo16:42
jpichThat's another one I was waiting for our esteemed PTL to return, I know there was a discussion at some point16:42
jpichI think the conclusion was that the specs system is fairly heavyweight and seems to make more sense in terms of creating/designing new APIs16:42
akrivokardopieralski: not replace BPs - my understanding is that it would introduce a formal review process for BPs16:42
rdopieralskiakrivoka: I see, thanks16:43
akrivokajpich: oh, was there a discussion already? I must have missed it16:43
jpichMany of our blueprints tend to be straightforward and along the lines of adding support for something that already exists16:43
jpichakrivoka: I did too, which is why I was hoping to get david-lyle's take/summary on it :)16:43
akrivokajpich: ok, that sounds good, let's see what he has to say about it when he returns16:44
jpichStill worth voicing opinions if people feel strongly one way or the other?16:44
akrivokaabsolutely, everyone feel free to chime in on the ML: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/037797.html16:44
tzumainnI will say that the spec review cycle in tripleo is pretty long, so it does feel like it adds a considerable amount of time - but that may be appropriate for certain blueprints16:45
absubram_I think managing blueprint ideas via gerrit is actually nice.. just like a code review - it makes it easier to post questions/commetns and approve/disapprove.. even for non-cores to comment :)16:45
jpichAlthough I can't wait for Storyboard to be there in order to have proper history/subscriptions for blueprints, it seems too heavyweight for Horizon at this point16:45
jpichabsubram_: I hope everyone feels like they can comment on regular blueprints currently too, comments/feedback/thoughts are always quite welcome16:46
gary-smithI prefer the current lightweight approach, too, especially since it already takes a while to get bp's approved as it is16:46
jpichI guess we can collect our varied opinions in the ML thread and see what happens next :)16:47
jpich#topic Open Discussion16:47
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akrivokajpich: +116:47
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rdopieralskiI just wanted to mention that we have a new person working on Horizon from today16:48
rdopieralskiPlease say hi to regebro_16:48
tzumainnhiya regebro_!16:49
regebro_Hi all!16:49
akrivokahello regebro_ !16:49
doug-fishHi regebro_!16:49
boltRhi regebro_16:49
jcoufalheya regebro_16:49
absubram_jpich: in the current launchpad mechanism.. for bp unlike bugs, there isn't a comment section no? Unless one adds comments to the whiteboard I suppose.. anyway.. we can have the discussion in the thread that's out :)16:49
lchengwelcome regebro_16:49
absubram_hey reg16:49
jpichabsubram_: Yeah the whiteboard is for discussion, just people need to remember to add their names when they make a comment16:49
jpichcf last of history16:50
clu_hi regebro_!16:50
absubram_gotcha16:50
jpichwelcome regebro_ and all the new contributors we've been having lately :) It's awesome. Please do lots of reviews :-)16:50
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jpicher I meant "lack of history"16:50
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jpichAnything else anyone wanted to discuss / bring up / highlight / chat about ?16:52
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* jpich cautiously starts hoping we'll finish a meeting before the full hour for once16:52
rdopieralskibye16:53
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jpichSo efficient :-)16:53
ericpetersongood job jpich, I think your wish is granted16:53
jpich\o/16:53
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jpichThanks everyone! Chat next week16:53
akrivokabye everyone!16:53
gary-smithbye16:53
jpich#endmeeting16:53
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tmazurThank you jpish!16:53
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tzumainnthanks all!16:54
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jgravelbye16:54
tmazurBye all!16:54
lblanchardbye all!16:54
jristo/16:54
absubram_bye!16:54
lchengthanks jpich!16:54
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pballandhello17:01
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rajdeephi17:01
kudvahello17:01
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banixhi17:01
pballandlets give thinrichs one minute17:02
pballand!startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting17:03
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pballand#startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting17:03
openstackMeeting started Tue Jun 17 17:03:35 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is pballand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:03
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pballandI think thinrichs will be a bit late17:03
pballandso lets get started17:04
pballandagenda:17:04
pballand- Reviews: sarob, banix, pballand17:04
pballand- sarob: worked on getting processes in place17:04
pballand- rajdeep: looked into ceilometer17:04
pballand- use cases17:04
pballand- pballand's API progress17:04
pballand- thinrich's integration progress17:04
pballand- skn_ adds data sources to use case doc17:04
pballand#topic Code Reviews17:04
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pballandwe are starting to get behind on code reviews - it would be really helpful if people could pitch in17:05
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banixI did some really first glance reviews. Will spend more time this week.17:05
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* banix blames the world cup!17:05
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pballandhehe17:06
pballandI’ve been guilty of this as well, but trying to get better17:06
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pballand#topic Action item review17:06
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pballandsarob: you around?17:07
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cloudtoa_ping17:07
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pballandrajdeep_: you were going to look in to ceilometer - any updates?17:07
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rajdeep_pballand : did some research on attributes available in ceilometer17:08
rajdeep_and how to access them --17:08
rajdeep_created a doc https://docs.google.com/document/d/17IFyQLhwJRvvS0PYWLWlurH4o845YuLvu07K6TryrUg/edit#heading=h.nztjf141izg017:08
rajdeep_we should be able to get the information sergio wants through APIs17:08
rajdeep_i created some samples to test this17:09
kudvaWhere can I see the samples?17:09
rajdeep_https://github.com/rajdeepd/openstack-samples/tree/master/lab1/ceilometersamples17:10
rajdeep_currently i am getting a dump of the attributes listed in the doc17:10
rajdeep_we could do some smart querying also where ever applicable17:11
cloudtoa_Can ceilometer publish to mq?17:11
kudvaso I see you are exercising the apis. How does this connect to the data store?17:11
pballandhow frequently does ceilometer publish messages (in production)?17:12
rajdeep_which data store?17:12
kudvaThe congress data tables17:13
kudvaI mean what is the integration between Ceilometer API and Congress17:13
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rajdeep_kudva :  we will have to write the driver to get this data converted to tuples17:14
rajdeep_pballand :  that depends on the meter type and the default frequency set17:14
kudvarajdeep_: okay got it17:14
rajdeep_i guess the rate at which metrics are collected could be altered - though i have not tried that yet17:14
cloudtoa_rajdeep_:  Can ceilometer publish to oslo.messaging or AMQP?17:15
rajdeep_i think it does17:15
pballandrajdeep_: great, are you planning any next steps?17:16
rajdeep_here is the design doc explaining in more detail17:16
rajdeep_http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ceilometer/architecture.html17:17
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rajdeep_pballand : it depends on how we want to prioritize17:17
rajdeep_shoud we write a driver for ceilometer17:17
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kudvarajdeep_: I have worked some with Ceilometer, and written code using the apis, I can help17:18
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rajdeep_deisgn doc recommends using API rather than messaging17:18
pballandit seems like people were interested in that from a use case perspective - anyone else have thoughts?17:18
rajdeep_kudva :17:18
cloudtoa_I am working on an oslo.messaging plugin for Congress... this could be used to subscribe to ceilometer events.17:18
kudvarajdeep_: yes definitely api's, ceilometer uses the notifications17:19
rajdeep_that is great, why don't you start creating a design doc for the ceilometer driver17:19
cloudtoa_ok17:19
kudvarajdeep_: I can do that, but I need to understand the driver side better.17:19
kudvarajdeep_: from you17:19
kudvarajdeep_: not familiar with the congress data drivers17:19
rajdeep_kudva : you could start looking at the data integration design doc as well as neutron and nova drivers17:20
kudvarajdeep_: okay, can you remind me again the links17:20
rajdeep_to get a better idea17:20
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kudvarajdeep_: for the docs17:20
kudvarajdeep_: I can find the code17:21
pballandI know thinrichs has been working on integrating the data source drivers with the DSE runtime as well…17:21
pballandcloudtoa_: how much will the oslo.messaging change things?17:22
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cloudtoa_Well, it means we'll be able to subscribe to notifications or other pub'd data on whatever MQ is being used.17:22
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cloudtoa_Across multiple OpenStack clouds.17:23
cloudtoa_Oslo does a great job of abstracting the MQ stuff.17:23
rajdeepkudva : link to the doc https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K9RkQuBSPN7Z2TmKfok7mw3E24otEGo8Pnsemxd5544/edit17:23
pballand#link  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K9RkQuBSPN7Z2TmKfok7mw3E24otEGo8Pnsemxd5544/edit17:24
sarob_sorry im late17:24
pballandsarob_: no problem - was going to ask you to provide an update on the process17:24
pballand(blueprints, etc)17:24
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kudvarajdeep: thanks!17:25
kudvarajdeep: how can I contact you with questions?17:25
rajdeepkudva : you can mail me : rajdeepd at vmware dot com17:25
sarob_okay17:25
sarob_ready now?17:25
pballandyep17:25
kudvarajdeep: okay, thanks will be in touch17:26
sarob_here i go17:26
sarob_we are setup up launchpad https://launchpad.net/congress17:26
sarob_#link https://launchpad.net/congress17:26
sarob_set us on the juno series with the next milestone as juno-217:27
sarob_24july17:27
sarob_we specs to get pushed, reviewed, and merged17:27
sarob_so we can start assigning blueprints to the juno-2 milestone17:27
sarob_its openstack scrumy17:28
sarob_or as close as it gets17:28
sarob_without storyboard17:28
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sarob_so questions, commennts?17:29
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pballandsarob_: thanks for pushing that forward17:29
sarob_sure17:29
cloudtoa_sarob_:  We have our own IRC channel now?  Will future meetings be there?17:30
pballandI don’t think there is logging on that channel, so meetings should stay here17:31
sarob_id recommend keeping the meeting as it17:31
sarob_and using the congress channel for non meeting technical discussions17:31
pballandany other questions on process before we move on to use cases?17:31
sarob_thats how most others do it17:31
cloudtoa_Excellent.17:31
rajdeepshould we convert the design docs to blueprints?17:31
sarob_this is what i wrote up #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Training-guides#Create_a_Blueprint17:32
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sarob_for training-guides project17:32
sarob_i think it works for congress too17:32
sarob_altho we have #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ExDmT06vDZjzOPePYBqojMRfXodvsk0R8nRkX-zrkSw/edit# to help with the spec ideas17:33
sarob_we need more people than sarob and banix17:34
sarob_to review the use cases gdoc17:34
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pballandon that topic, it seems that momentum has stalled on updating use cases17:34
pballandwe are still looking for votes on topics17:34
sarob_i can start the spec patches for the ones with the most votes17:34
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pballandsarob_: that would be great - although right now most use cases are tied with one vote :)17:35
sarob_pballand can you take a vote on a few?17:35
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pballandwill do17:36
pballand#action pballand to review and vote on use cases17:36
sarob_thinrichs two17:36
pballanddoes anyone have something to discuss related to use cases?17:37
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sarob_ill start patches once i get any with a few votes for review17:37
sarob_we can bypass this extra step pretty quickly17:37
sarob_and just go straight to spec patches for debate through gerrit review17:38
skn_Hi Guys, sorry, I’m late.17:38
pballandskn_: hi - glad you could make it17:38
sarob_hallo17:38
pballandwe were just talking about use cases17:38
banixsarob_: makes sense17:38
pballandskn_: you had mentioned that you were going to add data sources to the use case doc - any progress on this or other topics?17:39
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skn_I have some write up on the data sources for the security use cases that I have not been able to update to the main doc17:39
sarob_you know what, pballand after you take a look at the use cases/user stories17:39
sarob_i will just go ahead can create all the spec patches17:39
skn_Yes, I’ve some stuff that I’m going to put in within the next couple days17:39
sarob_and we can discontinue this gdoc as extra step17:39
pballandsarob_: that would be great - I’ll set aside time this afternoon17:39
sarob_pballand how about i copy #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Training-guides#Create_a_Blueprint to the congress wiki17:40
skn_sarob: so, the plan is to update just the spec and we get rid of the gdoc?17:40
sarob_idea -> spec -> blueprint process17:40
sarob_skn_ right17:41
pballandsarob_: sure - can you annotate the google doc link as deprecated at the same time?17:41
sarob_pballand will do plus add URLs for reviews17:41
sarob_ive deprecated use of trello for the training team as well17:42
sarob_in favor of spec, blueprints17:42
sarob_so we are more similar to rest of openstack projects17:42
skn_Makes sense17:43
pballandsarob_: thanks for keeping us on track there17:43
sarob_;)17:44
skn_sarob: what’s the difference between a spec and a blueprint17:44
sarob_skn_ spec is the pre-blueprint development17:45
skn_that’s kind of clear, what additional stuffs do we need for the bp?17:45
sarob_skn_ your idea get explained by filling out the spec template17:45
sarob_skn_ saved as RST and pushed as gerrit patch17:46
banixi think bp mainly helps with having milestones and tracking them etc17:46
sarob_skn_ then reviewers debate the idea merits17:46
sarob_skn_ clean it up some17:46
banixspecs mainly says what is to be done, the specification of proposed changes/additions; and review can be done efficiently17:47
skn_banix: thanks17:47
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sarob_skn_ if approved then the merged patch info finishes out a blueprint and it gets approved for a milestone17:47
skn_sarob: I think I understand the spec part now, was curious to know what more for the BP17:47
skn_Got it17:47
pballandreally quickly on the API front, I have stubbed out the commands from the design doc, and will push to review soon.  For the alpha, I am planning on calling in to the policy engine directly for the data (policy engine as source-of-truth), and will refactor calls over message bus later17:48
pballand#topic open discussion17:48
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thinrichsHi all--sorry I'm so late.17:49
thinrichsI've made progress on integrating the DSE, policy engine, and data sources.17:49
thinrichsI now have a test that spins up two mocked up versions of Neutron, writes a policy over them, and we see reasonable results.17:49
cloudtoa_Sweet!17:50
rajdeepthat is great!17:50
skn_thinrichs: great17:50
thinrichsNext step I'll try is getting rid of the mocks and talking to actual Neutron/Nova instances.17:50
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thinrichsThere will be a few more change-sets to review.  I'll let you know when they're ready.17:51
pballandthinrichs: cool!17:52
pballandthinrichs: sarob_ and I signed you up for voting on use cases17:52
sarob_so i can start creating spec patches17:52
thinrichsThere are a few more changes we'll need to hook up to the API (assigning IDs for rules, etc.).  But should be straightforward.17:52
sarob_we need #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94692/ merged first though17:52
skn_pballand: how do I sign up to vote?17:52
thinrichspballand, sarob_: by all means17:53
thinrichsI'm happy to vote.17:53
sarob_review #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ExDmT06vDZjzOPePYBqojMRfXodvsk0R8nRkX-zrkSw/edit#heading=h.fbota2qx0jad17:53
pballandskn_: just put your name on the google doc :)17:53
skn_oh ok17:53
sarob_and i will create the spec patches from the gdoc17:53
thinrichsI took a quick look at the doc--are there plans to add the requisite data sources?17:53
thinrichssarob_: great!17:53
sarob_thinrichs we can add that either in the gdoc17:54
sarob_thinrichs: and i will write it up in the first patch17:54
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sarob_thinrichs: or you can add to the patch after I push the first version17:54
thinrichsSo the votes are for what I like, not necessarily what's technically easiest to get into place?  That the idea?17:54
sarob_thinrichs: either17:54
skn_I only see votes from sarob and banix in this gdoc17:54
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skn_pballand: where are yours? Or, am I seeing the wronggdoc?17:55
sarob_thinrichs: change up what is written and add more user stories/use cases17:55
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pballandskn_: I haven’t voted yet17:55
skn_pballand: got it17:55
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thinrichssarob_: right--I forgot to add our basic use case, didn't I?  I'll try to get that done as well.17:56
sarob_sweet17:56
sarob_ill plan on spec patches later today17:56
skn_pballand: Can we add the slides that you used in OS summit to the congress wiki page?17:56
pballandskn_: yeah, I can do that17:57
skn_Or, are they already there?17:57
thinrichsHow about we link to the OS summit page?17:57
skn_Ok17:57
skn_Do we have the slides there in the summit page, or just the video?17:57
thinrichsOr is it easy to upload arbitrary files to the wiki?17:57
pballandthe slides are linked from the etherpad from the summit17:57
banixnot easy to upload files last i tried to do that17:58
skn_Then, may be we can add links to the etherpad and the video17:58
sarob_linking somewhere else is prob besetg17:58
skn_Could you please just add these two links, pballand?17:59
pballandwe’re collecting quite a few links on the wiki - does it make sense to add it there?17:59
skn_Yeah, in the wiki.  I don’t think it makes sense to do that in any gdoc17:59
pballandok18:00
pballandout of time18:00
thinrichsMaybe it's time for subheadings on the links, or something.18:00
pballandany last workds?18:00
sarob_btw, there is a few reviews lining up #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/congress,n,z18:00
pballandwords18:00
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pballandok, we’ll be in #congress18:00
sarob_all for me18:00
pballandthanks all!18:00
skn_bye everyone18:00
pballand#endmeeting18:00
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rajdeep_bye18:00
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briancurtin#startmeeting python-openstacksdk19:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Jun 17 19:00:58 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is briancurtin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'python_openstacksdk'19:01
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briancurtinanyone here for the SDK meeting?19:02
briancurtinBrian Curtin, Rackspace19:02
terrylhoweTerry Howe, HP19:02
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Alex_GaynorAlex Gaynor, Rackspace19:02
dtroyer_zzDean Troyer, Nebula19:03
jamielennoxJamie Lennox, Red Hat19:03
briancurtinlet's get started19:03
briancurtin#topic the "openstack.*" namespace19:04
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briancurtinthere was a little talk about this last week, and terrylhowe mentioned to me some thoughts dtroyer_zz had, and i agree...19:04
briancurtini dont know that we can squat on the openstack.* namespace without potentially hurting ourselves with server-side adoption19:05
edleafeEd Leafe, Rackspace (late as usual!)19:05
briancurtin(and potentially other things)19:05
briancurtinoh i guess i should send the agenda, sorry: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/PythonOpenStackSDK#Agenda_for_2014-06-17_1900_UTC19:05
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briancurtindtroyer_zz brought up the situation where, e.g., if Heat wants to eventually move from python-glanceclient to our (currently named) openstack.image, can they do that? can every service like that do it?19:07
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Alex_GaynorI don't think anything else uses a toplevel openstack namespace right now?19:07
jamielennoxi think they can19:07
Alex_GaynorDoes oslo?19:07
jamielennoxi'm not aware of anything it would conflict with19:07
dtroyer_zzopenstack.common is used by oslo-incubator19:08
jamielennoxAlex_Gaynor: no19:08
jamielennoxdtroyer_zz: but that's always in the directory.... oh19:08
dtroyer_zzI don't know of any existing conflicts, but I think we should be mindful of not assuming we have the whole thing to ourselves19:08
edleafeWouldn't the worse case scenario be they do something like `import openstack as ossdk`?19:08
jamielennoxhmmm19:08
briancurtin-infinity to building an entire project and then telling people to import it as something else19:09
jamielennoxno the case would be having openstack from oslo in your projects root and that overriding import openstack19:09
jamielennoxyou would need __futures__ everywhere?19:09
briancurtini like the idea of having openstack.*, but i think dtroyer_zz is right that we probably can't assume it's ours just because most/all don't use it...unless it got some official blessing, which we're nowhere near19:10
dtroyer_zzit just easier to fix now than in a month or three…but if we don't care then we should write that down, and why, so we don't re-visit it as new people come along...19:11
Alex_GaynorWho would be the arbiters of if we can / should use taht namespace?19:11
dtroyer_zzAlex_Gaynor: the TC is the only central jurisdiction like that, and they may not want to care…pragmatically it's first-come19:12
dtroyer_zzuntil someone with a bigger stick wants your space19:12
Alex_GaynorUnless folks think oslo-inccubator has a strong claim to the name; I think we should just roll with it. dhellmann can you weigh in?19:13
jamielennoxI say we stick with it19:13
briancurtini would like to stick with it, or at least stick with it for right now. if we need to come back to it before this goes big-time and make it openstack.sdk.foo, it's not the end of the world19:14
briancurtinsomething to think about, for sure19:14
dtroyer_zzok, now that it's logged, we can point to it the next time someone asks  ;)19:14
briancurtinis it worth raising the question of the openstack namespace on openstack-dev?19:15
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Alex_GaynorNo clue, that list is soooo high traffic :-)19:17
briancurtinehh, i'll think about it, or come back to it after we've stewed on it for a bit19:17
briancurtin#topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99456/ - Important changes for service filtering19:17
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terrylhoweI was hoping jamielennox could take a look at that19:18
terrylhoweIt is all about combining what service the resource wants with what service the user wants19:18
jamielennoxterrylhowe: hmm - this was the advantage to just using a dictionary and kwargs19:19
jamielennoxjoin and setdefault are easy19:19
Alex_GaynorPersonally I try to avoid dicts with specific sets of keys, it makes documenting them difficult19:20
jamielennoxwhy are you putting it into the Session?19:21
terrylhoweso the session can get the right endpoint19:21
jamielennoxoh, ok you're essentially doing the adapters part19:22
terrylhowethose are the user preferences, most likely just region and service_name19:22
jamielennoxhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/86237/4 is how i was going to do it for the existing clients19:23
jamielennoxthough it's possibly not appropriate here19:23
jamielennoxs/possibly/probably19:24
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terrylhowethat would add a whole new layer19:25
jamielennoxyea, it's kind of necessary when you have multiple clients sharing the session, here because it's just us we can probably squash them19:26
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jamielennoxok - so the main thing is you don't appear to deal with region_name in join(), and do we get weird situations when people supply a service_name to the session19:29
briancurtinjust saw Alex_Gaynor's comment - good point19:29
terrylhowewell, the join is to user preferences, so it uses the users region and service_name19:30
jamielennoxoh - join overrides, something feels a little off there, but ok19:30
terrylhoweI didn’t want to alter the current filter.19:30
jamielennoxit means though that you can't say visibility=ADMIN on the preference19:31
terrylhoweyeh, the thing works, I’m not thrilled with it either to be honest19:31
jamielennoxfor example19:31
jamielennoxterrylhowe: i agree with Alex_Gaynor, and we can come back and fix this - but mark it as a FIXME or something to address later19:32
terrylhoweI though the resource would dictate visibility19:32
jamielennoxterrylhowe:well ADMIN is a bad example, but INTERNAL might be something you would set globally19:32
terrylhoweokay19:33
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briancurtinin the interests of covering the other stuff, moving on19:33
terrylhowewell, at least it is contained in this class19:33
terrylhowesounds good19:34
briancurtin(sorry to cut you off, just want to make sure we get through)19:34
briancurtin#topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99458/ - json default for transport and resource __repr__19:34
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Alex_GaynorThis looks pretty straightforward to me19:35
briancurtini +2'ed this, seems fine, and was approved by dean at some point19:35
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dtroyer_zz+A19:36
dtroyer_zzTerry and I talked about it yesterday, I hadn't gotten back to the queue yet...19:36
briancurtinawesome19:36
briancurtin#topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99463/ - Very basic image resource19:37
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Alex_GaynorLet the bikeshedding begin!19:37
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jamielennoxAlex_Gaynor: we haven't been doing that yet?19:39
Alex_Gaynortehe :-)19:40
Alex_GaynorThis looks mostly pretty reasonable to me, but I want to spend some more time wiht it19:40
Alex_Gaynorbriancurtin: you said you were wokring on a swift resource right? I think that's probably useful since they work pretty differently, and it'd be good to make sure we don't box ourselves into a corner19:40
briancurtinAlex_Gaynor: i did say that, but time with my fingers on a keyboard was very little in the last week...i'm working on it in spirit, should be able to actually do stuff now that i'm back in town19:41
jamielennoxterrylhowe: it looks pretty good to me19:41
terrylhowehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/99463/4/examples/list.py19:42
terrylhoweis really the only odd part about it19:42
terrylhoweit is very convenient though passing in a string to import the resource19:42
Alex_GaynorIt seems like maybe we all need a bit more time to process this one, shall we move on?19:46
briancurtini agree. i dont think we're far off, but maybe a few more looks, really. anything else at the moment?19:47
Alex_GaynorDoes anyone object to me adding us to projects.txt so that our requirements will be sync'd with global-requirements?19:48
briancurtinis there a downside to that?19:49
Alex_GaynorWe can't depend on any libraries not listed there19:49
jamielennoxadd it19:49
briancurtinwithout having looked, is that something we can do right now with no changes?19:49
Alex_Gaynorit's a CR we send to the requirements repo19:50
terrylhowesounds good to me19:50
briancurtingo for it then19:51
dtroyer_zz++19:51
Alex_GaynorWill do19:52
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briancurtin#topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99477/ - Make the session command a little more friendly19:52
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briancurtinthis one is easy19:53
Alex_Gaynorit looks like it needs a rebase?19:53
terrylhowerebased19:53
briancurtinafter that, anything else in the last 5 min?19:55
briancurtin(or is there any discussion on that one?)19:55
Alex_GaynorLooks like no, cheers!19:58
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jamielennoxthanks everyone19:59
briancurtinthanks all19:59
briancurtin#endmeeting19:59
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