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| mfer | #startmeeting openstack-sdk-php | 15:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 25 15:30:31 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mfer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-sdk-php)" | 15:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_sdk_php' | 15:30 |
| mfer | Hello folks. Can you list your name along with any applicable associations. | 15:30 |
| mfer | Matt Farina, HP | 15:31 |
| samchoi | Sam Choi, HP | 15:31 |
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| mfer | glenc is anyone from your org coming today? | 15:33 |
| mfer | samchoi if no one else is coming should we call it a day? | 15:34 |
| samchoi | samchoi: sure, that sounds fine to me | 15:34 |
| samchoi | mfer: | 15:34 |
| samchoi | interesting...irc wanted to auto complete my own username :) | 15:35 |
| mfer | it's your client :) | 15:35 |
| mfer | samchoi then i'll call the meeting and we can pick up again next week. | 15:37 |
| mfer | #endmeeting | 15:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:37 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 25 15:37:14 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_sdk_php/2014/openstack_sdk_php.2014-06-25-15.30.html | 15:37 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_sdk_php/2014/openstack_sdk_php.2014-06-25-15.30.txt | 15:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_sdk_php/2014/openstack_sdk_php.2014-06-25-15.30.log.html | 15:37 |
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| tjones | #startmeeting NovaBugScrub | 16:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 25 16:30:08 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tjones. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:30 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'novabugscrub' | 16:30 |
| tjones | Hi - anyone here today? | 16:30 |
| tjones | hellooooooooo | 16:32 |
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| tjones | *listens……* | 16:32 |
| tjones | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NovaBugTriage | 16:33 |
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| dansmith | tjones: I would if I wasn't in another meeting :( | 16:39 |
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| dansmith | tjones: but I *do* feel sorry for you, if that's any consolation :) | 16:40 |
| tjones | dansmith: i feel sorry for me too - thanks | 16:40 |
| dansmith | heh | 16:40 |
| tjones | im just using this time to go through bugs | 16:40 |
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| tjones | i have some ideas for making this better - so i am feeling less sorry for me | 16:41 |
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| tjones | #endmeeting | 16:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 25 16:51:36 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/novabugscrub/2014/novabugscrub.2014-06-25-16.30.html | 16:51 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/novabugscrub/2014/novabugscrub.2014-06-25-16.30.txt | 16:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/novabugscrub/2014/novabugscrub.2014-06-25-16.30.log.html | 16:51 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov Kanzhe s3wong cgoncalves mandeep: there? | 17:30 |
| marios_ | o/ hi all | 17:30 |
| enikanorov | yes, sir! | 17:30 |
| Kanzhe | Hi | 17:30 |
| s3wong | hello | 17:30 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: howdy! | 17:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hi all! | 17:31 |
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| banix | hi | 17:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok lets get started | 17:31 |
| SridarK | hi | 17:31 |
| vinay_yadhav | Hi | 17:31 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: hi | 17:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting Networking Advanced Services | 17:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 25 17:31:58 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Networking Advanced Services)" | 17:32 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_advanced_services' | 17:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/AdvancedServices | 17:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Action Item followup | 17:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action Item followup (Meeting topic: Networking Advanced Services)" | 17:32 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: you had taken an AI to post a new patch, pending response to your email thread | 17:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: i guess we can discuss that in your section of the update | 17:33 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: that's right | 17:33 |
| cgoncalves | ok | 17:33 |
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| s3wong | cgoncalves: don't be too optimistic, flavor discussion will once again take up 70% of meeting time :-) | 17:34 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | there was a suggestion last time that we increase the length of this meeting, or figure out how we can give more time to discuss the items which are not able to cover | 17:34 |
| enikanorov | i hope we'll manage to fit in 30 mins | 17:34 |
| cgoncalves | s3wong: neither you as steering will take 30% :) | 17:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we have discussed an option to have a longer meeting before, but that was not favorable to some | 17:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i dont think its feasible to have to meetings in a week, its just too much overhead | 17:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in terms of getting people together | 17:35 |
| s3wong | enikanorov: 50% is certainly an improvement :-) | 17:35 |
| enikanorov | s3wong: it's 1/3 i think :) | 17:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyone have any thoughts on the meeting lenght logistics? | 17:35 |
| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: It will only get shorter as spend time discussing how much time we have ;-) | 17:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or we can postpone this discussion to the end of the meeting (assuming we get time for it :-) ) | 17:36 |
| enikanorov | SumitNaiksatam: could it be that once we're done with discussin glavors it would not require that much time? | 17:36 |
| marios_ | SumitNaiksatam: i dont attend often as i should but an hour is hard enough to fit in already with everything else... imo | 17:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: :-) | 17:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov: that is certainly an possibility :-) | 17:36 |
| marios_ | enikanorov: +1 | 17:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios_: very true | 17:36 |
| marios_ | seems we have a specific issue here | 17:37 |
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| banix | enikanorov: we will discuss flavors for eternity | 17:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in general we wanted this to be a status meeting, and not a full blown design discussion (which should be had out of band) | 17:37 |
| enikanorov | banix: i hope not. markmcclain is here | 17:37 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: chaining and steering (and GBP) are quite related and probably worth arranging an extra meeting with the folks involved | 17:37 |
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| enikanorov | markmcclain: hi | 17:37 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | but we do try to accomodate some of the design discussion so that we can get a quick resolution while everyone is here | 17:37 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: such meetings should be sporadic until we get to a consensus | 17:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay, lets table the meeting logistics for now | 17:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: true | 17:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Flavors | 17:38 |
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| enikanorov | ok | 17:38 |
| pcm_ | Has mark published his proposal for flavors? | 17:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: there? | 17:39 |
| enikanorov | so let me briefly tell you what concerns some folks had on the review | 17:39 |
| * markmcclain is currently sitting in another meeting | 17:39 | |
| marios_ | enikanorov: did you get any feedback on yr concerns with marks proposal? | 17:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov: sure | 17:39 |
| mestery | I believe markmcclain is about to publish that now, I've spoken to him recently, hopefully in the next 30 minutes. :) | 17:39 |
| enikanorov | markmcclain: i'll try to do a ork for you explaining your proposal :) | 17:39 |
| mestery | enikanorov: Please go ahead. | 17:39 |
| s3wong | pcm_: I have not seen it, though I was there in person when markmcclain presented his idea in San Antonio last week | 17:39 |
| enikanorov | yep, so Mark's proposal in short: | 17:39 |
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| enikanorov | we introduce a notion of 'driver profile' which is a bunch of configuration of one driver for particular use case | 17:40 |
| enikanorov | for instance, non-HA, HA. or l2 insertion, L3 insertion | 17:40 |
| enikanorov | then, the flavor is associated with several such profiles | 17:40 |
| banix | enikanorov: one profile for each of those? | 17:40 |
| enikanorov | no tags, no capabilities | 17:40 |
| enikanorov | banix: possibly multiple profiles for the same driver | 17:41 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov: this is kind of vague | 17:41 |
| enikanorov | so from user perspective user only sees flavor and it's description | 17:41 |
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| marios_ | enikanorov: so admin creates profile that matches exactly some requirement? | 17:41 |
| enikanorov | on the background it is associated with the type of implementation | 17:41 |
| banix | operator associates flavors with profiles | 17:41 |
| banix | ? | 17:41 |
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| enikanorov | banix: right | 17:41 |
| enikanorov | marios_: yes, i guess so | 17:41 |
| enikanorov | so my point is | 17:41 |
| marios_ | enikanorov: is there ANY comm9n ground or work towards it or does it come down to choosing an approach | 17:42 |
| enikanorov | that exactly this usage is supported by the framework I was proposing | 17:42 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov: so on what basis does the user choose? | 17:42 |
| marios_ | enikanorov: if the latter i suggest interested parties do their research and schedule an hour | 17:42 |
| enikanorov | SumitNaiksatam: i guess it is description then | 17:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov: the description seems like a very subjective metric | 17:42 |
| enikanorov | SumitNaiksatam: i agree | 17:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov: this is not how nova flavors are structured | 17:43 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov's description is not accurate | 17:43 |
| enikanorov | it doesn't solve the problem of feature discovery and doesn't give guarantees | 17:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov: just to take an existing example | 17:43 |
| enikanorov | markmcclain: ok, sorry | 17:43 |
| enikanorov | that's how i understood it | 17:43 |
| enikanorov | markmcclain: please correct me | 17:43 |
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| markmcclain | so flavors are curated by operators | 17:44 |
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| pcm_ | why now get the proposal published and we can read and then have a meeting to discuss all the proposals? | 17:44 |
| markmcclain | flavors contain the list of extensions to enable for a service (ie TLS, L7) | 17:44 |
| enikanorov | that's not very clear | 17:45 |
| markmcclain | pcm_: trying to get it finalized… 10hrs of driving last 48hrs | 17:45 |
| enikanorov | are you talking about API extensions? | 17:45 |
| pcm_ | markmcclain: understood. Just thinking of the best use of everyones time. | 17:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov: i agree, thats not very clear to me either | 17:46 |
| markmcclain | so wait for the spec to be published | 17:46 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: do you have a timeline for this? | 17:46 |
| markmcclain | I'd provide more detail but I'm sitting in another meeting right now | 17:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: in the neutron IRC meeting, you mentioned it was going to be last monday | 17:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: dont mean to sound pushy, but just trying to get an estimate | 17:47 |
| enikanorov | ok, let's then postpone this, i'd really like to have more detailed markmcclain's input | 17:47 |
| markmcclain | I did not have connectivity while traveling the last 2 days (was expecting to have it) | 17:47 |
| enikanorov | currently i think that what i have proposed is a superset of Mark's proposal | 17:47 |
| mandeep | We have had flavors discussion going on for a long time. The plan is to reset that even before we have a proposal to review? | 17:48 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov: I wouldn't classify it as a superset | 17:48 |
| marios_ | +1 mandeep this has been under discussion since summit | 17:48 |
| enikanorov | markmcclain: sure, i don't know all the details of yours yet | 17:48 |
| marios_ | though ftr i havent had chance to check markmcclain proposal | 17:48 |
| garyduan | vendor's implemention really rely on the flavor framework to move forward | 17:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: from a process perspective, is it advisable to have multiple proposals, or to collaborate on one proposal? | 17:49 |
| mandeep | garyduan: +1, that is why I am worried about resets based on subjective claims | 17:50 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam markmcclain: I want to see collaboration here, so we need to converge as a team on one proposal. | 17:50 |
| mestery | I was in San Antonio last week with s3wong and others and got to listen to Mark's proposal, which I know others havent' had a chance to digest yet. | 17:51 |
| mestery | So perhaps once Mark publishes his we can quickly converge. Sound good? | 17:51 |
| pcm_ | +1 | 17:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: my undestanding was that enikanorov’s proposal started from markmcclain’s input since, markmcclain had objections with the existing service type framework | 17:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: both fwaas and vpnaas had patches to support STF in havana | 17:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: and these were put on hold | 17:52 |
| mandeep | mestery: We also need to be careful that the months on discussion/debate that preceded it is not lost | 17:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: its been a few months since then | 17:52 |
| mestery | I think there was some disconnect between enikanorov and markmcclain there, I'm hoping we can quickly converge on those for flavors this week. | 17:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: so what is your directive to this team on this topic going forward? | 17:53 |
| mestery | I think the two approaches are close enough I'm hopeful this can be resolved ASAP. | 17:53 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Once you publish your spec, I'll set something up to close on this. | 17:53 |
| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: so problem is that the current direction does not solve the original problem we set out to solve | 17:53 |
| enikanorov | my opinion is that it solves the original problem | 17:54 |
| enikanorov | and goes beyond that | 17:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: okay, but i have trouble understanding that | 17:54 |
| enikanorov | i can show it on different use cases | 17:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: the majority of the team here seems to think that the current flavors proposal is shaping up well | 17:54 |
| mandeep | markmcclain: enikanorov: I am having problem with subjective claims without details. Please provide content/context | 17:54 |
| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: the current prop fails on operator use cases | 17:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: perhaps we dont need to implement the proposal in its entirety in the first iteration | 17:55 |
| enikanorov | markmcclain: is it possible to list those use cases? | 17:55 |
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| enikanorov | i think some folks from lbaas team just din't read through deep enough to claim that | 17:55 |
| markmcclain | enikanorov: I think most folks have read it several times now | 17:56 |
| enikanorov | if that were so, their comments would be different, i guess... | 17:57 |
| enikanorov | anyway, let's talk when the alternative is published | 17:57 |
| mandeep | markmcclain: I just want to understand it with a specific use-case/scenario | 17:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: so once you publish your proposal, will it eventually be folded into enikanorov’s proposal? | 17:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: i am just trying to understand what process we are proposing here | 17:59 |
| mandeep | markmcclain: (that is the differences between the two approaches) | 17:59 |
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| enikanorov | i think right now it would require too much explanations from markmcclain, let's wait for the spec | 17:59 |
| banix | i think we can wait for markmcclain proposal and take it from there; I would think we could come up with an agreement quickly once both proposals are at hand. | 17:59 |
| mandeep | enikanorov: banix: OK | 18:00 |
| mestery | banix: That's my hope as well, and we need flavors in Juno, so I expect a resolution to this that keeps everyone happy and moves Neutron forward. | 18:00 |
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| s3wong | banix: +1 | 18:00 |
| LouisF | markmcclain: can we get your proposal today? | 18:00 |
| mandeep | enikanorov: banix: I agree that with a proposal, my questions should be addressed | 18:01 |
| pgpus | Are we talking of this ? * Service Type - string identifier (LOADBALANCER, FWAAS, L3, VPN, etc) | 18:01 |
| pgpus | * Name - name of the flavor | 18:01 |
| pgpus | * Tags - string containing a list of (key, value) pairs (tags) that define capabilities. | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pgpus: that is the existing proposal | 18:01 |
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| enikanorov | pgpus: it was a bit updated since then, but yes | 18:01 |
| pgpus | ok | 18:01 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: when the proposal is out we may want to have a meeting on Friday perhaps? | 18:02 |
| pcm_ | +1 | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | banix: sure | 18:02 |
| pcm_ | SumitNaiksatam: Let's get an action item for delivery of the proposal, and an action item to have a meeting to discuss. | 18:02 |
| s3wong | banix: are you suggesting that markmcclain should have the proposal written and ready by Thursday? | 18:02 |
| pgpus | yes we did discuss tags with key,value with some mandory fields per Service Type | 18:03 |
| pcm_ | s3wong: Let's get a concrete estimate from markmcclain | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery markmcclain: does that sound like a good plan - have a meeting on friday to discuss the two proposals? | 18:03 |
| banix | s3wong: I think mestery said the proposal will be out some time soon today. If that is the case or we have it by tomorrow then we can meet on friday | 18:03 |
| pgpus | How is this different from Mark's am I missing something? | 18:03 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: +1 | 18:03 |
| nati_ueno | +1 | 18:03 |
| enikanorov | pgpus: let's wait for the detailed spec | 18:03 |
| pgpus | ok | 18:04 |
| nati_ueno | I think we invested plenty time to discuss flavor stuff | 18:04 |
| nati_ueno | 2 release cycles, right? | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | last time i proposed that we have a discussion on this markmcclain -1’ed the idea since he was not available | 18:04 |
| nati_ueno | We should choose some way | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hence i am waiting for him to respond, if he is not available perhaps the meeting is pointless? | 18:04 |
| enikanorov | nati_ueno: true | 18:05 |
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| garyduan | nati_ueno: +1 | 18:05 |
| s3wong | nati_ueno: +1... we definitely should | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: yes, i think plenty of people share your frustration | 18:05 |
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| banix | he is perhaps stuck in the other meeting and cannot read the current conversation; I think we will resolve this by this time next week ;) | 18:05 |
| s3wong | banix: or resume this discussion next week :-) | 18:06 |
| SridarK | nati_ueno: +1 as a vendor, if flavors is going to arrive late J-2 or J-3 we are toast w.r.t getting vendor implementations out | 18:06 |
| banix | s3wong: i think we have all interested parties involved; we can get to an agreement in a week | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: absolutely, i dont want to chalk up an action item for him without him even getting to see what it is | 18:06 |
| mandeep | mestery: as this is important for all services, can we put a deadline for this discussion/meeting? | 18:06 |
| nati_ueno | SridarK: yeah, not only vendor. FWaaS and VPNaaS is still experimental because of flavor | 18:07 |
| mestery | I think per SumitNaiksatam we should plan for an IRC meeting on Friday. | 18:07 |
| SridarK | nati_ueno: yes absolutely | 18:07 |
| nati_ueno | How about have a vote on the Friday meetings? | 18:07 |
| nati_ueno | Let's see multiple options | 18:07 |
| LouisF | +1 | 18:07 |
| enikanorov | hehe | 18:07 |
| vinay_yadhav | +1 | 18:07 |
| natarajk | +1 | 18:07 |
| enikanorov | okay | 18:07 |
| garyduan | +1 | 18:07 |
| * mestery notes there is some upcoming dates around Spec Proposal and Spec Approval deadlines for Juno coming out soon ... | 18:07 | |
| pcm_ | +1 | 18:07 |
| SridarK | +1 | 18:07 |
| mandeep | but the meeting is not much use unless markmcclain can join. Hence the request for a deadline | 18:07 |
| s3wong | nati_ueno: +1. Resolution by Friday, let's not have another 40 minutes discussion on flavor during next week's adv service meeting | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #action SumitNaiksatam mestery markmcclain enikanorov to convene a meeting on friday june 27th to wrap up flavors blueprint spec | 18:08 |
| nati_ueno | mestery: do you like voding idea? | 18:08 |
| mestery | nati_ueno: I hope we don't need to vote, and can instead incorporate ideas from the specs together. Consensus is the way forward. :) | 18:08 |
| nati_ueno | s/voding/voting/ | 18:08 |
| pcm_ | mestery: +1 | 18:08 |
| nati_ueno | mestery: yeah, it is best | 18:08 |
| pgpus | ok put the meeting time on site and will follow up | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | does the same time as this meeting work for everyone? | 18:09 |
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| banix | mestery: agree and I think we can get there in short order… why am i so optimistic today :) | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | same time same channel? | 18:09 |
| mestery | banix: :) | 18:09 |
| mandeep | banix: ;-) | 18:09 |
| nati_ueno | mestery: however sometimes we need to go forward in time | 18:09 |
| pgpus | ok | 18:09 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 18:09 |
| pcm_ | SumitNaiksatam: time is OK for me. | 18:09 |
| s3wong | banix: :-) | 18:09 |
| mestery | nati_ueno: Also very relevant. There are many balls in motion here, we all want the same thing, sometimes getting there requires a little sweat and tears. ;) | 18:09 |
| nati_ueno | time is ok for me too | 18:09 |
| cathy_ | same time works for me. should we move on to the next topic and have everyone review the new Flavor proposal offline? | 18:09 |
| vinay_yadhav | ok | 18:09 |
| mestery | +1 on time | 18:09 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: time works | 18:09 |
| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: that time works for me as well | 18:10 |
| nati_ueno | mestery: gotcha. | 18:10 |
| s3wong | so time would be 1730 UTC June 27 on #openstack-meeting-3 | 18:10 |
| pgpus | you mean 11.30 AM PST istead of 10.30 AM PST Friday? | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #agree meeting to wrap up flavors discussion on Jun 27th Friday 17.30 UTC (10.30 AM PDT) in -meeting-3 | 18:11 |
| pgpus | ok | 18:11 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ok moving on :-) | 18:11 |
| mandeep | 10:30 PDT (so it is 11:30 PST ;-) | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #undo | 18:11 |
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| banix | mandeep: “same time” is all i can follow | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #agree meeting to wrap up flavors discussion on Jun 27th Friday 17.30 UTC (10.30 AM PST) in -meeting-3 | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep pgpus: thanks :-) | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov: we can move on right? | 18:12 |
| enikanorov | sure | 18:12 |
| mandeep | banix: I agree - that is much easier | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov markmcclain: thanks for the update | 18:12 |
| s3wong | cgoncalves: as I predicted, 70% ... actually it is closer to 80% :-) | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Service base definition and Insertion | 18:13 |
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| cgoncalves | s3wong: :) | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: i hope you think we made progress though :-) | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93128 | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so i dont see any -1s on this proposal | 18:14 |
| mandeep | s3wong: if you really want to talk numbers it was 73.46 % | 18:14 |
| mandeep | s3wong: ;-) | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Kanzhe s3wong: so are we all in agreement? :-) | 18:14 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: yep, enough +1s (there were more before Kanzhe posted the latest patch) to move forward | 18:14 |
| Kanzhe | SumitNaiksatam: So far, I haven't seen any outstanding issues. | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Kanzhe s3wong: so there are no blockers for you that you need to discuss here? | 18:15 |
| Kanzhe | SumitNaiksatam: not at this time. | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ideally more people from this team should be +1ing this in case they are in agreement, so that it sets up the stage for the cores to step in | 18:15 |
| pgpus | This was good old L2, L3 insertion with contect or did it change missed on that? | 18:15 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: nope - and welcome SridarK to join us in making FWaaS work with service insertion framework | 18:15 |
| LouisF | Kanzhe: what sort of Horizon work is needed to support service insertion? | 18:15 |
| pgpus | context I meant | 18:16 |
| SridarK | s3wong: yes absolutely glad to be of help | 18:16 |
| marios_ | Kanzhe: am i still on for the vpn side? | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yes sure, SridarK: thannks for jumping in | 18:16 |
| SridarK | no worries | 18:16 |
| marios_ | Kanzhe: have started looking at the db models and service base | 18:16 |
| Kanzhe | marios_: yes, :-) | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios_: yes i was about to bring that up as well | 18:16 |
| marios_ | Kanzhe: cool thx i will keep following | 18:16 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: are we aware of any cores outside this group with significant interest? | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios_: i noticed your comment as well, thanks much for jumping in | 18:16 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: i meant wrt service insertion | 18:17 |
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| Kanzhe | LouisF: We can discuss in detail once the db mode is up for review. | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: i know that mestery nati_ueno markmcclain and rkukura have signed up | 18:17 |
| marios_ | SumitNaiksatam: great to be of help have been following the various specs from summit | 18:17 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: what do you mean by “signed up” sorry | 18:17 |
| nati_ueno | I'm OK with this spec. but I have one quick question. Why we don't support insertion type for network? | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: see here #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/AdvancedServices/JunoPlan | 18:18 |
| LouisF | Kanzhe: thx | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Kanzhe: nati_ueno’s question ^^^ | 18:18 |
| Kanzhe | nati_ueno: right now the thinking is subnet only. We can extend to network if use case comes up. | 18:19 |
| s3wong | nati_ueno: do you see such need? | 18:19 |
| Kanzhe | nati_ueno: also to keep the first version simple. | 18:19 |
| nati_ueno | I think BGP based vpn network insersion | 18:19 |
| nati_ueno | Kanzhe: OK. if so I can work this in another bp | 18:19 |
| Kanzhe | nati_ueno: great! thanks. | 18:20 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: thanks. want to make sure we persuit them and get their views so we know if there are significant disagreements sooner rather that later. that’s all. | 18:20 |
| s3wong | nati_ueno: certainly, welcome to do so | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: yes, its a chicken and egg kind of situation | 18:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | banix: cores will probably not review if they dont see enough support from the sub team | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok moving on | 18:21 |
| Kanzhe | As s3wong pointed out, the spec lost a few +1's after I uploaded the latest version. | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Traffic steering | 18:21 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Kanzhe: sure | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Kanzhe: hopefully we can get them back :-) | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: your baby | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: was the plan to post an updated spec based on input? | 18:22 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: poor child | 18:22 |
| Kanzhe | SumitNaiksatam: yes. :-) | 18:22 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: yes, but in the meantime we exchanged some emails | 18:22 |
| cgoncalves | let me summarized my concerns to all | 18:23 |
| cathy_ | cgoncalves: I have a suggestion on the API so that they do not have duplicate API functionality and is consistent among the two BP. Have you seen my comment? | 18:23 |
| cgoncalves | service chain (SC) BP is a high level BP | 18:23 |
| cgoncalves | cathy_: here? review.o.o? | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: that is right | 18:23 |
| cathy_ | I mean the GBP | 18:24 |
| cgoncalves | cathy_: yeah, I read it | 18:24 |
| cgoncalves | cathy_: let me just summarize my concerns first, please | 18:24 |
| cathy_ | ok | 18:24 |
| cgoncalves | so... I see some trending on SDN controllers like ODL and OpenContrail on supporting Service Function Chaining (SFC) / SC | 18:24 |
| cgoncalves | the way it's going, I'd say for the SC BP implementation it would be much better to interact directly with those controllers as drivers rather than the traffic steering (TS) | 18:25 |
| cgoncalves | in that way, SC would not depend on TS | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: that is one option | 18:26 |
| nati_ueno | cgoncalves: +1 | 18:26 |
| cgoncalves | although, I think there is no plan yet on how to steer traffic to chains | 18:26 |
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| cgoncalves | same should be valid for the GBP work as they are considering the 'redirect' action to a SC | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: that said, as i was mentioning on the email thread, i think have precendence of using the controller-less OVS-based reference implementation | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | neutron has, that is | 18:27 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: for the SC BP? | 18:27 |
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| banix | cgoncalves: no in general | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: for any backend supporting the API | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: any feature that is | 18:27 |
| cgoncalves | banix, SumitNaiksatam: ah, right | 18:27 |
| LouisF | cgoncalves: GBP redirect action will steer traffic to SFC | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: GBP will only signal that intent | 18:28 |
| cgoncalves | LouisF: ok, that's the part I'd like to know better. how does GBP will steer traffic to SFC? | 18:28 |
| * SumitNaiksatam thinks we need another dedicated meeting for TS bp spec as well! | 18:29 | |
| cgoncalves | TS could be used by GBP, and any other work, to steer traffic to a SC for instance | 18:29 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: :) | 18:29 |
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| pgpus | SC can define Policies but traffic steering can simply focus on different ways to control flows and so we here provide primitives for use cases may SC is one of the users | 18:29 |
| * SumitNaiksatam thinks may be we should just have a weeklong Adv Services’ hackathon ;-) | 18:29 | |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: :) | 18:29 |
| * SumitNaiksatam or “mini-summit" | 18:29 | |
| cathy_ | cgoncalves: agree, that TS could be used by GBP, that is why my API proposal | 18:30 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: you are too optimistic - we are far from hacking code yet | 18:30 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: yeah! Paris next week? :) | 18:30 |
| LouisF | cgoncalves: a match in a GBP policy rule results in redirect action | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: i meant mini-summit actually :-) | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyway, seems like this is a longer discussion | 18:30 |
| cgoncalves | cathy_: exactly, but TS would still add support to traffic classification | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mainly, cgoncalves LouisF cathy_ you need to reconcile? | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or is it more folks? | 18:30 |
| s3wong | cgoncalves: I actually would agree with that - so once TS is available, GBP's mapping driver can utilize it | 18:31 |
| LouisF | cgoncalves: GBP policy rule has a classifier | 18:31 |
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| cgoncalves | I'd like everyone's opinion on this as it would considereably change the TS BP | 18:31 |
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| cathy_ | cgoncalves: GBP already has classifier specification in its "redirect to chain" API. How do we make sure these two classifiers are consistent. | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cathy_ LouisF: the GBP classifier is application centric classifier | 18:32 |
| cgoncalves | LouisF: I know but TS should not be specific to GBP as other works may rely on and need classification on TS | 18:32 |
| banix | cgoncalves: opinion on “this” you wrote; can you specify what “this” is | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so its L4 | 18:32 |
| jmsoares | cgoncalves, SumitNaiksatam, cathy_: I also think the TS should be thought beyond the SC functionality. SC needs TS, but TS can possibly enable other things. | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: i agree with you | 18:32 |
| s3wong | cathy_: in that case, the mapping driver would set the TS classifier - which may or may not have anything to do with GBP policy-rule classifier | 18:32 |
| cathy_ | I am OK with TS having classifier if we can have a way to solve the consistency issue | 18:32 |
| pgpus | Agree with Summit traffic steering involves classification of packets or flows how it viwes may differ from SC | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jmsoares: i agree hence we separated this out | 18:32 |
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| cgoncalves | banix: instead of TS be used for chaining, it should be the other way. TS steering traffic to chains | 18:33 |
| * SumitNaiksatam makes a customary apology to the FWaaS folks for eating into their meeting time! | 18:33 | |
| s3wong | OK guys, 3 minutes overtime already :-) | 18:33 |
| cathy_ | SumitNaiksatam: the GBP classifier will be pulled into the intent of service chain through "redirect" action | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cathy_: shall we discuss the GBP specifics in teh GBP meeting tomorrow? | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cathy_: we will have more time there | 18:33 |
| marios_ | goodnight all | 18:34 |
| cgoncalves | cathy_: we can indeed come up with a compatible/same classifier resource or even share them, but both BPs should have their own classification APIs | 18:34 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: +1 | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves jmsoares: unfortunately it does not seem like we can resolve this right now | 18:34 |
| jmsoares | SumitNaiksatam: yes, this is only to highlight that TS is by itself a functionality, that by nature I believe it needs the "classifier" entity | 18:34 |
| * s3wong feels sorry that vinay_yadhav never got a chance to update TapaaS over the last several weeks | 18:34 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: any chance you can fire up a -dev thread? | 18:34 |
| vinay_yadhav | :) | 18:34 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: sure, will do | 18:34 |
| banix | cgoncalves: yes thanks | 18:34 |
| cathy_ | SumitNaiksatam: ok | 18:35 |
| anil_rao | A suggestion: Can we proceed through the Specs in round-robin fashion from next week? | 18:35 |
| vinay_yadhav | Can we get some time for TaaS next week | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anil_rao vinay_yadhav: yes sure, and our apologies | 18:35 |
| cgoncalves | anil_rao: in order to give everyone a chance to present their work, I agree with you | 18:35 |
| s3wong | anil_rao: as in - let's start with TapaaS first next week :-) | 18:35 |
| anil_rao | Thanks. :) | 18:36 |
| vinay_yadhav | thanx | 18:36 |
| marios_ | ani | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we do have to prioritize based on what is higher prirority for Juno though | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but we will take up TAPaaS next time first | 18:36 |
| marios_ | s3wong: am always up for tapas ;) | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios_: :D | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic open discussion | 18:36 |
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| anil_rao | :D | 18:36 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: if we indeed can come to a resolution this Friday on flavor, I think next week's meeting will have plenty of time :-) | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any parting thoughts? | 18:36 |
| cgoncalves | marios_: I was also having the exact same thought :D | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: absolutely :-) | 18:37 |
| cathy_ | cgoncalves: agree with your suggestion on same classifier resource and share with them | 18:37 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: time of flavor meeting on Friday? | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | alright 7 minutes over | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: 17.30 UTC (10.30 AM pST) | 18:37 |
| LouisF | thx | 18:37 |
| cgoncalves | cathy_: problem will be coordination as I believe the GBP work is quite advanced when compared to TS at the moment | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | alright thanks everyone! | 18:38 |
| cathy_ | cgoncalves: agree. as long as no conflict on classfier specification in two APIs, I am fine. | 18:38 |
| marios_ | o/ night then | 18:38 |
| banix | thank you | 18:38 |
| anil_rao | Thanks. | 18:38 |
| banix | bye everybody | 18:38 |
| cgoncalves | thanks | 18:38 |
| cgoncalves | cathy_: yes | 18:38 |
| vinay_yadhav | bye thanx | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves cathy_: lets continue in the GBP meeting tomorrow | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye all! | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:38 |
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| cathy_ | ok | 18:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:38 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 25 18:38:25 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_advanced_services/2014/networking_advanced_services.2014-06-25-17.31.html | 18:38 |
| cathy_ | tahnsk | 18:38 |
| s3wong | thanks, guys!!! | 18:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_advanced_services/2014/networking_advanced_services.2014-06-25-17.31.txt | 18:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_advanced_services/2014/networking_advanced_services.2014-06-25-17.31.log.html | 18:38 |
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| cathy_ | bye | 18:38 |
| jmsoares | cgoncalves, cathy_: maybe we are not able to converge in a short term to a single "classifier", but can point as a mid-term goal | 18:38 |
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| banix | SumitNaiksatam: i am not sure where mark will post his spec; do you know? | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: no idea | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: i have been checking the spec repository (very often :-) ) | 18:39 |
| cathy_ | let's discuss in the email thread that cgoncalves will initiate | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: in anticipation | 18:39 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: ok will have to keep our eyes open. wide open :) | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | FWaaS folks here - SridarK, garyduan, beyounn, badveli, prad_? | 18:39 |
| beyounn | yes | 18:39 |
| SridarK | Hi All | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok lets get started | 18:40 |
| banix | cathy_: sounds good | 18:40 |
| SridarK | prad_ cannot make it today | 18:40 |
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| garyduan | hi | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting Networking FWaaS | 18:40 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 25 18:40:55 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:40 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 18:40 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/FWaaS | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Action Item follow up | 18:41 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/FWaaS#Action_items_from_previous_meeting | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: have we sent the DVR related email to the mailer? | 18:41 |
| beyounn | no, I did not | 18:41 |
| * SumitNaiksatam thinks whether its past its relevance to send it now | 18:42 | |
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| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: last week you mentioned you were going to, any blockers? | 18:42 |
| beyounn | Ok, I will do | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: we want this to be on record | 18:42 |
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| beyounn | The issues is that I don't have a idea on the direction for this | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: that we have identified the issues | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: thats fine | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: the expectation is not necessarily that you provide you a solution | 18:43 |
| beyounn | I throw it out, only makes open end problem, anyway, I will do it | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: identifying and raising the issue is the first step | 18:43 |
| beyounn | OK | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: were you able to check with the owner of https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1323299? | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | oh wait i put a comment here | 18:44 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: no since i saw that u have updated the bug that this is expected behaviour | 18:45 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: ok | 18:45 |
| SridarK | so this can be closed i think ? | 18:45 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: lets wait for him to come back | 18:45 |
| SridarK | ok | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: i think we can certainly have a discussion on how we can extend to this functionality | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: right? | 18:46 |
| SridarK | yes | 18:46 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: i guess you are asking if the AI can be closed? | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: if so yes, lets just keep an eye if the author comes back | 18:46 |
| SridarK | actually i was asking about the bug | 18:46 |
| SridarK | but i see ur point | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: ah | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: what about following up with #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90575/ | 18:47 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i am not able to locate his coordinates | 18:47 |
| SridarK | Yes i have discussed with SridharGaddam | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: ah cool | 18:47 |
| SridarK | He has responed to Mark's comments and waiting response | 18:47 |
| SridarK | I requested him to ping him on IRC | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: but the last response is June 5th | 18:48 |
| SridarK | He will follow up - | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: i did bring this up with markmcclain in the neutron IRC | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: i think we should try and get them together | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: but you have a -1 as well on this | 18:48 |
| SridarK | I also asked him to join the mtg today - is bit late for SridharG | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: are your concerns addressed? | 18:49 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes - my issue which was earlier is on the same line of composing plugin on agent | 18:49 |
| SridarK | but i am not sure on the right approach | 18:49 |
| SridarK | Mark pretty much put the -2 for this i believe | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: so do you plan to remove the -1 or keep it? | 18:49 |
| SridarK | I think if it is okay to take this approach - then i can add some more things that can be done | 18:50 |
| SridarK | but if this approach is itself wrong then we need to abandon or take a diff approach | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan beyounn: have you looked at this? | 18:51 |
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| SridarK | perhaps we can discuss this more as well | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i had looked at this earlier, but i have lost a bit of context on it since | 18:51 |
| SridarK | will send u an email | 18:51 |
| SridarK | and we can discuss more amongst the team | 18:51 |
| garyduan | yes | 18:52 |
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| SridarK | my concern was loading composing the plugin in the agent side | 18:52 |
| SridarK | *composing | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: you seemed to have asked for UTs as well | 18:53 |
| SridarK | yes minor issue on the UT | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #action SridarK to start an email thread with FWaaS team and SridharGaddam regarding https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90575 | 18:53 |
| SridarK | I think if we can conclude that this approach is fine - i am good - i will point him to a few more checks that can be added | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: lets try to close on this | 18:53 |
| SridarK | ok will do | 18:53 |
| garyduan | The proposed fix is good to have, right? | 18:54 |
| garyduan | but not that critical | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: please weigh in as well, i have added you as reviewer | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: you can add markmcclain to the thread as well | 18:54 |
| SridarK | ok | 18:54 |
| garyduan | Ok | 18:54 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: next AI for you again, how is the bug triage coming along? | 18:55 |
| SridarK | All bugs triaged | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: ah ok | 18:55 |
| SridarK | I don't have rights to mark it as Triaged | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: oh | 18:55 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: perhaps only u can do it | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: ok i can follow up on that | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: whats the best way to sync up? | 18:56 |
| SridarK | ok there were only 2 that needed action | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: i want to minimize the effort on your end | 18:56 |
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| SridarK | i have added comments to the bugs | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: ok | 18:56 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i can send u an email | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: alright great, thanks much! | 18:57 |
| SridarK | and u can mark it Triaged or if i can be given rights i can do so | 18:57 |
| SridarK | np | 18:57 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: we can sync up offline | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: unfortunately i dont have the admin rights to any of this, i am just as much of a foot soldier :-) | 18:57 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: :-) | 18:58 |
| SridarK | It says u need to be "Bug Supervisor" | 18:58 |
| SridarK | whatever that means :-) | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: perhaps part of the cavalry :-P | 18:58 |
| SridarK | not a big deal - i will push u a list and u can mark it so | 18:58 |
| SridarK | :-) | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: regarding the router delete | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i noticed that there was a similar bug for VPNaaS about deleting interfaces | 18:59 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes that has been updated on the associated bug | 18:59 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: as we discussed last week | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and out there they are taking the approach that they are not allowing the interface delete | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yeah, should we follow that approach as well? | 19:00 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i think we will do the same with service insertion patch | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this is question for all | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | not allow interface or router delete if firewall is associated? | 19:00 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: as we will now track the router in the plugin db | 19:00 |
| garyduan | I agree | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but perhaps its different for firewall, since it will temporarily open up a security hole | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK garyduan: see my last comment ^^^ | 19:01 |
| garyduan | SumitNaiksatam: that makes sense too | 19:01 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 19:01 |
| garyduan | then should we update firewall state? | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: but then it does not solve the problem | 19:02 |
| SridarK | garyduan: that gets tricky on the "all routers in tenant" scenario | 19:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: perhaps we have to wait fall back to the service insertion related fix | 19:02 |
| garyduan | Why do we have PENDING state associated with if there is a router or not? | 19:03 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: my feeling too as it is a lot cleaner | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: and let anyone who wants to fix it in the interim do it, if they want to | 19:03 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes so left the bug unassigned as we discussed | 19:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: PENDING is when an operation is in process | 19:03 |
| garyduan | can we see if firewall is pushed to agent, we mark it as active? | 19:03 |
| garyduan | see=say | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: i dont think its proper to move a firewall from ACTIVE to PENDING if the router is deleted, is it? | 19:04 |
| garyduan | SumitNaiksatam: I agree | 19:04 |
| SridarK | esp if there are other routers in the tenant | 19:04 |
| SridarK | we need to do it for last router in the tenant | 19:04 |
| garyduan | SumitNaiksatam: but people might ask question about consistency | 19:04 |
| garyduan | so why don't we mark it as active when fw is created without router | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: definitely not that | 19:05 |
| SridarK | garyduan: as there is no router it really cannot be active | 19:05 |
| garyduan | I am totally ok with that | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: you can make a case for moving it to PENDING when the router is deleted | 19:06 |
| garyduan | I am just thinking that people might ask questions | 19:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: can you elaborate on the question that people might ask? | 19:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: sorry i must have missed it | 19:07 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: garyduan yes that case of router delete - is valid - but we almost would need to say that is PENDING_DELETE on that router but it is still active on other routers | 19:07 |
| garyduan | when fw is created without router, it's pending | 19:07 |
| garyduan | when the only router that fw uses is deleted, it's active | 19:07 |
| garyduan | that's not consistent | 19:07 |
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| garyduan | SridarK also raised a question, which is if fw is applied on multiple router | 19:08 |
| garyduan | we have to track them | 19:08 |
| garyduan | to maintain the firewall state | 19:08 |
| SridarK | garyduan: yes that is a problem for sure - but we don't track them as we were always looking at insertion to get away from the model of all routers on tenant | 19:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: that is the problem that we are trying to solve | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: we know that it is inconsistent, no argument on that :-) | 19:09 |
| SridarK | I think we can solve that problem but will require some cycles and this will get solved with insertion so why not just wait for that | 19:09 |
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| garyduan | I agree. If we do want to have PENDING state, then some cleanup need to be done | 19:09 |
| SridarK | and solve this issue in that context | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: just whether we should fix it now (and the fix is kind of intensive) or wait for the service insertion to come through so taht we can do it in an elegant way | 19:10 |
| garyduan | I'd say wait for service insertion | 19:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yeah, basically repeating what SridarK said | 19:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: exactly | 19:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: so we are all on the same page :-) | 19:10 |
| SridarK | so it is documented to that effect on the bug | 19:10 |
| garyduan | always | 19:10 |
| SridarK | so we will just leave this as is for now | 19:12 |
| garyduan | agree | 19:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok moving on | 19:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the AI was beyounn badveli to decide if they can look at hit counts | 19:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | however i think we discussed this | 19:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and we are not looking at this now | 19:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or rather immediately | 19:13 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: on that point prad_ was quite interested in this | 19:13 |
| SridarK | I did tell him that in terms of resources - both dev and review - it was decided that it is tight | 19:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: we can help him in any way he needs help | 19:14 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes for sure - we will defn get the lifecycle metrics | 19:15 |
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| SridarK | and on hit counts lets see how it goes if beyounn and badveli have time constraints | 19:15 |
| SridarK | but clearly he indicated that it is high on his priority list | 19:16 |
| badveli | ok | 19:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: please convey to prad_ that we are willing to help him if he is ready to take the lead on this | 19:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: by we, i mean the entire team here | 19:16 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: will do | 19:16 |
| beyounn | Sridark, we will try to help as much as we can | 19:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: great, ye | 19:17 |
| SridarK | ok got it thanks SumitNaiksatam beyounn | 19:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i can also propose that, if it comes to that, we can all have a day long hackathon with prad_ at the other end | 19:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and just walk him through | 19:17 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: sure i think that will be great | 19:17 |
| garyduan | ya | 19:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: so basically let prad_ propose this and we will be happy to participate (i take the liberty of speaking on behalf of the entire team) | 19:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: we can try and request Rajesh as well, perhaps buy him a lunch first ;-) | 19:18 |
| SridarK | I will also check with RajeshM on the feasibility and to see if we can get some guidance | 19:18 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: on the same page :-) | 19:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: :-) | 19:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok we are going slow today | 19:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we still have one more AI | 19:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if we do decide to do the hit counts, i would like to see a spec in review at the earliest (on the neutron side) | 19:19 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | this is an AI for prad_ possibly | 19:20 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: will convey | 19:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: thanks | 19:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 19:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ok i think we already covered most of this | 19:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: anything that we did not cover? | 19:20 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: no we are good | 19:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok | 19:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic blueprint tracking | 19:21 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | service objects #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94133 | 19:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: ? | 19:21 |
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| beyounn | yes | 19:21 |
| beyounn | I have sent email to Kyle nachi and others | 19:22 |
| beyounn | but I did not get any activities from them | 19:22 |
| beyounn | Vashnu helped me to update the db migration script, I'm about to wake up my code review | 19:22 |
| beyounn | That is all for me | 19:23 |
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| beyounn | BTW-- since I have updated spec based on our last discussion, I hope everyone can also do a recheck, just in case I missed anything | 19:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: yes | 19:24 |
| SridarK | beyounn: will do | 19:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: thanks | 19:24 |
| beyounn | Thanks all | 19:24 |
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| garyduan | will do | 19:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: since we did not get a response from nati_ueno amotoki, perhaps better to follow up further | 19:24 |
| beyounn | Yes, I will send email this friday (once a week) | 19:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #action beyounn to follow up with nati_ueno and amotoki, request them to review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94133 | 19:25 |
| beyounn | I hope they are not mad at me :-) | 19:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: perhaps trying to catch them on IRC will be more helpful | 19:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: i will respond to the email thread | 19:25 |
| beyounn | Sumit: thanks | 19:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #action SumitNaiksatam to respond to beyounn’s email thread on service objects review | 19:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic vendor blueprints | 19:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: anything to discuss here? | 19:26 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: nothing - working with our group to get a review up | 19:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: ok thanks | 19:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic open discussion | 19:27 |
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| SridarK | we plan to have a single spec to address plugin and agent/driver | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: i noticed you sent the email about DVR | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: ok | 19:28 |
| SridarK | and have separate patches referring to the same BP | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: single spec is fine, perhaps patches need to be separate | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yeah, you said it :-) | 19:28 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: ok perfect that is the plan | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: thanks for doing that | 19:28 |
| SridarK | :-) | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: but we want this to be sent to the openstack-dev alias | 19:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: sorry for being pushy on this | 19:29 |
| beyounn | Sumit: it is still not mail list | 19:29 |
| beyounn | Sumit: it is ok, I just really at least get some progress before dump it to the ML | 19:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: we need to describe the issue and send to the -dev mailer | 19:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: so that it comes to the attention of the neutron cores | 19:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: we can have a discussion on the solution in parallel | 19:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: but others have to know that this issues exists, since the cores will be approving the DVR patches | 19:30 |
| garyduan | beyonunn is on a meeting now. | 19:30 |
| beyounn | ok | 19:30 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn garyduan: thanks | 19:31 |
| beyounn | Yes, I have to run to another meeting, talk to you guys later | 19:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | alright, lets call it a wrap on that happy note then | 19:31 |
| SridarK | ok cool | 19:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all for joining! | 19:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye! | 19:32 |
| SridarK | thanks | 19:32 |
| SridarK | bye | 19:32 |
| garyduan | bye | 19:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 25 19:32:08 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-06-25-18.40.html | 19:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-06-25-18.40.txt | 19:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-06-25-18.40.log.html | 19:32 |
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