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| krotscheck | #startmeeting storyboard | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 21 14:59:46 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 14:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 14:59 |
| krotscheck | Roll call! | 14:59 |
| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 15:00 |
| krotscheck | Sourdough | 15:00 |
| krotscheck | #topic Urgent Items: MySQL | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Urgent Items: MySQL (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:00 | |
| NikitaKonovalov | ok | 15:00 |
| krotscheck | I think we both know what’s up. What do we do about it? | 15:01 |
| krotscheck | mordred’s input would be useful. | 15:01 |
| NikitaKonovalov | good news is that rackspace now is able to create a 5.6 db | 15:01 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | so we could somehow migrate all the data on s.o.o | 15:01 |
| krotscheck | mordred: We’d like to do a simple fulltext search for the time being on storyboard. Unfortunately, that’s only a MyISAM thing until MySQL 5.6. | 15:01 |
| NikitaKonovalov | the bigger challenge is enabling 5.6 for tests | 15:02 |
| krotscheck | Ugh. | 15:02 |
| krotscheck | What’s the version that the ubuntu trusty infra instances is running? | 15:03 |
| NikitaKonovalov | The installation scripts set up a default mysq-server package which is 5.5 | 15:03 |
| * krotscheck is doublechecking the version in which mysql learned Innodb fulltext indexes. | 15:04 | |
| NikitaKonovalov | the most likely solution will require a new job which will install mysql-server-5.6 package, and set up all users and databases again | 15:04 |
| NikitaKonovalov | krotscheck: it's 5.6 | 15:04 |
| krotscheck | Ugh. | 15:04 |
| krotscheck | Ok, the alternatives are… Use MyISAM, Manually upgrade jenkins during build, or not use fulltext? | 15:05 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | MyISAM is will not work with SqlAlchemy, as there are no transactions | 15:06 |
| krotscheck | Ok, so that’s not an option. | 15:06 |
| NikitaKonovalov | we have no sudo during the job execution on jenkis, so there is no way to install a package | 15:06 |
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| krotscheck | Well, we can pull that out of the build script. | 15:06 |
| NikitaKonovalov | the only way to get 5.6 on a slave is install it during puppet setup | 15:06 |
| krotscheck | And nobody in infra is going to let us do that. | 15:07 |
| NikitaKonovalov | heat is not working with 5.6 | 15:07 |
| NikitaKonovalov | and may be something else | 15:07 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | so, do we really need fulltext? | 15:08 |
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| krotscheck | Maybe not? | 15:08 |
| krotscheck | WEll, there’s the whole “Hey what is out there” use case. | 15:09 |
| krotscheck | But the current LIKE based search approximates a solution to that, it’s just not optimal. | 15:09 |
| mordred | krotscheck: /me has other ideas on innodb fulltext ... but is about to land in a plane ... will follow up | 15:09 |
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| krotscheck | mordred: Have fun in portland :-P | 15:10 |
| mordred | krotscheck: you know it! | 15:10 |
| mordred | krotscheck: (other ideas re: jenkins ... installing 5.6 seems like a fine idea in production) | 15:10 |
| krotscheck | So, I think we can table the fulltext question until mordred’s plane lands. | 15:11 |
| krotscheck | Since we’ve got something that sortof works. | 15:11 |
| * mordred will come back with science | 15:12 | |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: Thoughts? | 15:12 |
| NikitaKonovalov | we may disable full-text related stuff while testing | 15:13 |
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| krotscheck | Let’s do that. | 15:13 |
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| krotscheck | Not optimal, but if we can just flip a switch and turn them back on once the DB version is up to date, that would make things nice and simple. | 15:13 |
| NikitaKonovalov | looks like a best idea for now | 15:14 |
| krotscheck | ALrightey | 15:14 |
| krotscheck | #topic Discussion: Unstable Build & NPM Mirror | 15:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussion: Unstable Build & NPM Mirror (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:14 | |
| krotscheck | So, turns out the build issues we had last week were cause dby two things. | 15:14 |
| krotscheck | 1- NPM was unreliable, a fact that was compounded by .... | 15:15 |
| krotscheck | 2- a bug in bower that caused an unreliable NPM to make things blow up. | 15:15 |
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| krotscheck | Upgrading bower seems to have gotten us back to a happy place. | 15:15 |
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| krotscheck | And my work on the NPM mirror is here, at the suggestion of nibalizer: https://github.com/krotscheck/puppet-npm_mirror | 15:16 |
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| krotscheck | We don’t have a 100% solution, but th ebower upgrade seems to have fixed us. | 15:16 |
| krotscheck | #topic SubResource PUT/Delete response | 15:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "SubResource PUT/Delete response (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:16 | |
| krotscheck | How do we want to handle the HTTP response of PUT /resource/ID/subresource/ID? | 15:17 |
| krotscheck | (or of DELETE) | 15:17 |
| krotscheck | The current way returns the full array of subresources after modification. | 15:17 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I guess the options are: return nothing, leave as is, return a deleted object | 15:18 |
| krotscheck | Which feels not-RESTy, but really I just want to be consistent. | 15:18 |
| krotscheck | And right now we have two implementations, one which I did because it annoyed angular. | 15:19 |
| krotscheck | But that’s a client thing. Assumign that we have _no_ client application, what makes the most sense? | 15:19 |
| * krotscheck thinks it should either be nothing, or the instance of the subresource that was linked, but not an array. | 15:20 | |
| NikitaKonovalov | An empty body makes sense for delete operation | 15:20 |
| NikitaKonovalov | as for PUT, I'd prefer a modified subresource | 15:20 |
| krotscheck | … subresource as in a reference to the linking resource (the join table?) or the actual resource that was linked (Say a project for project-groups)? | 15:21 |
| NikitaKonovalov | the second option | 15:22 |
| krotscheck | That works for me. | 15:22 |
| krotscheck | 204 makes sense as well. | 15:22 |
| NikitaKonovalov | agree | 15:22 |
| krotscheck | Excellent, | 15:22 |
| krotscheck | #agreed Linked Subresource PUT responses should return an instance of the linked subresource. DELETE should return empty body with a HTTP 204 | 15:23 |
| * krotscheck thinks that’s the correct command | 15:23 | |
| krotscheck | #topic HTTP Signature for Subscriptions | 15:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "HTTP Signature for Subscriptions (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:23 | |
| krotscheck | I have tons of questions about what the /subscriptions API should look like. There’s tons of options, most of them are here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SB-Subscription-Signature | 15:24 |
| * NikitaKonovalov exploring the etherpad | 15:25 | |
| NikitaKonovalov | Well my vote is for the first | 15:26 |
| krotscheck | From a performance standpoint, there’s really no difference between any of them, since we still have to do a WHERE index search to answer our questions. It’s just a question of “What makes the most sense if we were going to tell people about this”. | 15:26 |
| krotscheck | I was leaning towards 5, but then realized that it’s just extra effort. | 15:26 |
| krotscheck | And since 1 gives us everything we need.... | 15:27 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I think the first clearly defines who is subscribed to what without extra subresources | 15:28 |
| krotscheck | Yeah, 1 is probably best. | 15:28 |
| krotscheck | And it doesn’t muddy up the codebase either. | 15:28 |
| krotscheck | Suddenly we’re requiring subscription subcontrollers everywhere? That’s just going to get messy. | 15:28 |
| NikitaKonovalov | and the dbapi part of it is here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106037/ | 15:29 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: (Yeah, I’ve been building on that :D ) | 15:29 |
| krotscheck | Ish__: Any thoughts? | 15:29 |
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| Ish__ | I also thought that option 5 is good.. | 15:30 |
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| krotscheck | Ish__: How do you feel about the other discussion points we’ve brought up? | 15:31 |
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| Ish__ | I am trying to make sense of them.. | 15:32 |
| Ish__ | They are all new to me.. | 15:33 |
| krotscheck | Alright, I can walk you through them when you get in :) | 15:33 |
| krotscheck | Moving on... | 15:33 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | one more thing about subscriptions | 15:33 |
| krotscheck | Oh? | 15:33 |
| krotscheck | #topic Discussion: One More Thing About Subscriptions.... | 15:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussion: One More Thing About Subscriptions.... (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:34 | |
| NikitaKonovalov | krotscheck: you asked what if a user wants to subscribe to new projects in a project group | 15:34 |
| krotscheck | Right. | 15:34 |
| NikitaKonovalov | there is no timeline event for that | 15:34 |
| NikitaKonovalov | but | 15:34 |
| krotscheck | Or if they want to subscribe to what another user is doing. | 15:34 |
| NikitaKonovalov | a project group might have it's own timeline | 15:35 |
| NikitaKonovalov | the same for the teams | 15:35 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | and if we want to subscribe for a user's actions that fits into the first approach of defining subscriptions: the target is a user in that case | 15:36 |
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| krotscheck | Maybe I don’t quite understand what you mean by that. | 15:38 |
| * ttx waves from conference wifi | 15:39 | |
| krotscheck | So let’s assume that we have a change stream consumer that’s getting these event ID’s, and it wants to process a subscription. | 15:40 |
| NikitaKonovalov | if you want to subsrtibe to a user POST {resourceType: 'User', resourceId: target_user_id, userId: current_user_id} | 15:40 |
| krotscheck | Right | 15:40 |
| krotscheck | See, when I see that, I think that I am subscribed to every change to a user resource. | 15:40 |
| NikitaKonovalov | now I see | 15:41 |
| krotscheck | Yeah, it’s a rough problem. | 15:41 |
| NikitaKonovalov | well, may be a more descriptive resource type User -> User_actions | 15:42 |
| krotscheck | Maybe, yes. | 15:42 |
| krotscheck | So, I think we agree on the actual implementation of things. If I want to subscribe to a resource, I’m _actually_ subscribing to that events’ timeline. | 15:42 |
| NikitaKonovalov | yep | 15:43 |
| krotscheck | s/resource/task/ | 15:43 |
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| krotscheck | However, the actual thing that triggers the user’s subscription list update is the CREATE { type: ‘timelineEvent’ } rather than the UPDATE { type: ‘task’ } | 15:44 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | we can say that the UPDATE triggers it, as it is in one code flow with timeline event creation | 15:45 |
| krotscheck | True. | 15:46 |
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| krotscheck | That UPDATE will then send off two events to the event stream. a POST { type : ‘task’ } and a PUT { type: ‘timelineEvent’ } | 15:47 |
| krotscheck | At the other end of the queue though the consumer will probably only trigger on the latter. | 15:47 |
| krotscheck | This then gives us the freedom to add report-building event consumers. | 15:48 |
| krotscheck | Say, something that pays attention to every POST /tasks event that results in a task being set to MERGED. | 15:48 |
| krotscheck | And creates a nice little tasks-merged-per-day report for ttx :) | 15:48 |
| ttx | hah! | 15:49 |
| krotscheck | There is a reason to my madness :D | 15:50 |
| ttx | We got a few people excited with storyboard around here - apparently we are hittig some sweet spot | 15:50 |
| krotscheck | Ok, we’re running out of time, this discussion should probably have been moved to the main channel, my bad. | 15:50 |
| krotscheck | ttx: Oh, let them know that this event stream is also going to drive a remote synchronization API that’s going to handle our federation. | 15:50 |
| ttx | krotscheck: I don't want them to get TOO excited | 15:51 |
| ttx | one never knows what can happen then | 15:51 |
| krotscheck | Fine, fine. | 15:51 |
| krotscheck | ttx: They might contribute! | 15:51 |
| krotscheck | Anyway, moving on! | 15:51 |
| krotscheck | #topic Specs | 15:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:51 | |
| krotscheck | Any specs-related things we ened to talk about? | 15:51 |
| NikitaKonovalov | no ideas from me here | 15:52 |
| krotscheck | Ok, next! | 15:52 |
| krotscheck | #topic Ongoing Work | 15:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ongoing Work (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:52 | |
| krotscheck | Let’s go in reverse alphabetical today, starting with ttx. | 15:52 |
| krotscheck | Any word on the Team/Group requirements? | 15:52 |
| ttx | Last week ISTR we said it might not need to be expanded beyond the use cases on the permissions spec | 15:53 |
| ttx | If you feel that's not the case and we need some high-level doc on it, I can try to whip it something | 15:54 |
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| krotscheck | ttx: Probably it won’t. I’ll pull it off your list. | 15:54 |
| krotscheck | Any other updates? | 15:54 |
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| ttx | krotscheck: not really, been following a few angular presentations/tutorials to ramp up my involvement on the webclient side | 15:55 |
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| krotscheck | Nice! | 15:55 |
| krotscheck | Ok, NikitaKonovalov ? | 15:55 |
| krotscheck | ANything new? | 15:55 |
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| ttx | should have a lot more time available when I'm back next week | 15:55 |
| NikitaKonovalov | nothing except trying to find workarounds for mysql | 15:55 |
| krotscheck | Ok. | 15:56 |
| krotscheck | I took some time to split apart our builds, and updated our images to trusty | 15:56 |
| krotscheck | I’ve got a bunch of config patches to assist with that. | 15:57 |
| krotscheck | I think that’s all. | 15:57 |
| krotscheck | Ish__: Your turn :) | 15:57 |
| Ish__ | I have set up the dev environment and trying out a few rabbitmq programs.. I am in the process of learning and gathering knowledge. | 15:57 |
| ttx | Ish__: any blocker we could help solving ? | 15:57 |
| Ish__ | There are no blockers as such.. | 15:58 |
| ttx | or question ? | 15:58 |
| Ish__ | I am trying to understand the existing code .. | 15:59 |
| krotscheck | It’s python. Good luck with that :) | 15:59 |
| * krotscheck is opinionated | 16:00 | |
| Ish__ | Yup.. :) | 16:00 |
| krotscheck | I’m afraid I have to close the meeting, anything else urgent? | 16:00 |
| krotscheck | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 21 16:00:57 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-07-21-14.59.html | 16:01 |
| krotscheck | Thanks everyone | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-07-21-14.59.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-07-21-14.59.log.html | 16:01 |
| NikitaKonovalov | thanks everyone | 16:01 |
| Ish__ | Thank you! | 16:01 |
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| piet | Does anyone know whether the OpenStack UX group is meeting at this time? | 16:02 |
| Guest12011 | Hi Piet. This is Chris. Apparently my name has changed to Guest12011... | 16:02 |
| piet | Fun! | 16:02 |
| Guest12011 | a much better name for me | 16:03 |
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