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krotscheck#startmeeting Storyboard15:00
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openstackMeeting started Mon Jul 28 15:00:09 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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krotscheck#topic Urgent items15:00
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krotscheckWoo, it’s a jeblair !15:00
Ish__Hi all..15:00
* krotscheck is mildly jealous of Germany + Oscon :)15:00
jeblairkrotscheck: we missed you!15:01
krotscheckjeblair: I missed you too! It was Ish__’s first week though, It was better for me to stay put.15:01
krotscheckWe’ve still got a bit of a block on getting rabbit onto our server, mostly because big puppet module reviews are big.15:02
krotscheckSo general question: Should we continue to wait on getting reviewed, or should I add rabbit direct off of master and then rebuild the big refactor on top of that?15:03
jeblairyeah, the infra review rate has been low for the past 2 weeks; i'm personally anticipating doing a lot of reviews this week.15:03
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krotscheckFor the sake of getting the work for subscriptions, notifications, and emails going a bit faster I’m leaning towards the latter.15:03
krotscheckjeblair: I figured as much. Conventions & stuff  :)15:04
* ttx tried to push a number of reviews through today, will continue review work over the week15:04
* krotscheck is very happy about the cadence we’re getting now.15:05
krotscheckIt’s basically: Work happens throughout the week, Nikita and krotscheck argue about things, and nything we agree on ttx will get to on monday morning :)15:05
jeblairkrotscheck: has the big puppet refactor patch been tested?15:06
krotscheckBack to the rabbit thing though. Stick with what we have (big refactor, rabbit on top of that) or rearrange things (rabbit first, then big refactor with rabbit in it)15:06
krotscheckjeblair: I’ve tested it on my local box, but I haven’t tested it in infra.15:06
krotscheckjeblair: I’m not certain what needs to happen there.15:06
jeblairkrotscheck: that's cool -- local testing can catch a lot of stuff15:07
jeblairkrotscheck: when we're ready, we can manually run a puppet apply --noop on it to try to catch any last minute issues before actually pushing it to production15:07
krotscheckjeblair: Got it.15:08
krotscheckSo stick with the chain we have?15:08
jeblairkrotscheck: i kind of think it's been reviewed enough at this point that (since it's tested) it might be worth while to push for a final set of reviews this week15:08
krotscheckAlright, let’s do that!15:08
krotscheckAnd then I can do rabbit things :)15:08
krotscheck#topic MVP1.115:09
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NikitaKonovalovSearch is mostly ready15:09
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NikitaKonovalovthe missing part is MySQL 5.5 upgrade to 5.615:09
krotscheckNikitaKonovalov: So it is. We’ve got a neat new interface, and I have a few refactors and updates coming that’ll bring that UI to stories and proejcts.15:09
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krotscheck#topic MVP 1.1 ( Search )15:10
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NikitaKonovalovAm I right that there are no objections to upgrade MySQL?15:10
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NikitaKonovalovI've already talked to SergeyLukjanov and he promissed to help with that15:11
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krotscheckNikitaKonovalov: None here, but I’m not sure it’ll be possible? We’re using Trove right now, and I don’t know whether the cloud provider storyboard is on supports that.15:11
krotscheckI had a talk with the trove guys on friday, and they weren’t aware that 5.6 was in upstream yet.15:11
NikitaKonovalovThe provider is rackspace and we with SergeyLukjanov have already checked that the db is 5.615:11
krotscheckOh good!15:12
krotscheckNo objections then.15:12
* krotscheck will have to update the storyboard puppet module15:12
NikitaKonovalovThe gate issue is already soved by skipping the full-text migration15:12
krotscheck#action krotscheck Update storyboard puppet module to require mysql 5.615:12
NikitaKonovalovhere is the api side change for full-text15:13
NikitaKonovalovand here is the client
krotscheckSo once we get the upgrade, we can get those search patches in, and then propagate it to the UI, and we’ll finally have search done :)15:13
NikitaKonovalovkrotscheck: yes15:13
krotscheckCool. NikitaKonovalov, I assume that you and SergeyLukjanov will focus on getting the upgrade this week?15:14
NikitaKonovalovthat's the plan15:14
krotscheck#topic MVP1.1 (Subscription)15:14
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krotscheckSo, rabbit issues aside, what needs to happen for this feature to drop?15:15
NikitaKonovalovThe change with timeline event based subscriptions is here
NikitaKonovalov(need a rebase though)15:16
krotscheckWhat about Ish__’s work?15:16
NikitaKonovalovand Ish__ has started a new one
NikitaKonovalovthe difference is that it handles not the timeline events but the low level http requests15:17
krotscheckI kindof prefer that version, actually.15:17
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krotscheckBecause it’ll make things like a bit easier to handle, without giving up subscription.15:18
krotscheckOk, so a bit more discussion needs to happen on the code reviews regarding all those approaches.15:20
krotscheckGiven that we’re at least a week away from having rabbit anyway, I’m happy tabling this.15:20
krotscheck#topic MVP 1.1 (Project Groups)15:21
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krotscheckI added project group admin to the UI the other day.15:21
krotscheckNext (and last) piece is to reveal project groups in the search and in the UI.15:21
krotscheckI don’t anticipate any major problems there.15:22
krotscheckAnyone have questions on that?15:22
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NikitaKonovalovkrotscheck: by revealing in search you mean filter results by a project group?15:23
krotscheckNikitaKonovalov: Yes.15:23
krotscheckNikitaKonovalov: Additional query parameter for stories, tasks, and projects I think.15:23
NikitaKonovalovkrotscheck: I just wanted to be sure we are not indexing the groups15:24
NikitaKonovalovno more  questions from me15:24
krotscheck#topic MVP1.1(Tags)15:24
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krotscheckSpec is ready, no coding has been done.15:24
krotscheck(I think. Someone correct me if I’m wrong)15:24
NikitaKonovalovno coding from me, but it can become my secondary target for this week15:25
krotscheck#topic MVP 1.1 (Emails)15:25
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krotscheckI’m starting to make room in the UI for personal email preferences.15:25
krotscheckMost of the backend work is likely going to have to wait until notification subscriptions are up and running, and we’ll want to discuss exactly how we want emails to work.15:26
krotscheckThe review is here
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NikitaKonovalovI remember somene saying that Launchpad does a good aggregation of events before sending e-mail15:27
krotscheckYeah, I’d like something like that as well.15:28
ttxyeah -- I'm not totally convinced how much we need to do there15:28
ttxi.e. how many people rely on LP email notifications in their workflows today15:28
krotscheckI _would_ like to get a better usage profile on how people want to consume emails.15:28
ttxpersonally i don't use them that much15:28
krotscheckLike: Would people prefer a once-a-day summary email? Would they use the subscription timeline more?15:28
ttxand I tend to think that if we need email notifications that means we failed somewhere15:29
krotscheckAre emails redundant altogether?15:29
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jeblairi'd be interested in email notifications of new bugs and comments15:29
jeblairbasically -- things that keep me up to date with the conversation15:29
ttxbut I'd agree my email consumption case is a bit of an edge case15:29
jeblairi don't think i'd personally find other kinds of events to be very useful15:29
ttxjeblair: as far as MVP 1.1 is concerned, that means email supprting the infra team usage15:30
krotscheckOk, need more research. Anyone have objections for me putting a Google Form together and posting it to Openstack-dev as a survey?15:30
ttxjeblair: so would you like to do a quick survey of how you use email there ?15:30
krotscheck(Or openstack-infra)?15:30
jeblairttx: did we put email on an mvp list?15:30
ttxjeblair: you did15:31
jeblairdoes someone have a link to that handy?15:31
ttxkrotscheck: note that LP has an email command interface. I have no idea how many people use it, but it might be worth to add it to your survey15:31
krotscheckjeblair:!/story/99 is the story I created off of the MVP wiki doc...15:32
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ttxMVP doc @
krotscheckHere’s the roadmap:
ttxkrotscheck: I /hope/ the survey won't result in us considering implementing an EmailInterface, but it's still good data to know how many people use it and like it15:33
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jeblairhas it listed under 'lp feature parity', and with a '?'15:33
krotscheckI think the roadmap is more recent, wasn’t that what came out of the summit?15:34
ttxI seem to remember it was promoted when we revisited the list (and added that mvp 1.1.1 thing)15:34
krotscheckARgh, people keep beating me to links.15:35
krotscheckOk, so: Email in 1.1. Yes/no?15:35
jeblairmordred, fungi: do you recall why email notifications are listed in storyboard mvp 1.1?15:35
jeblairi don't recall thinking they are required for infra use, but perhaps we just wanted to get them in there before openstack use to make sure they were tested15:36
ttxkrotscheck: when you have the survey ready, I can proofread it if you want15:36
jeblairat any rate, the only listed use case seems to be 'notification of new stories related to a project'15:37
krotscheck#action krotscheck Make survey for email usage.15:37
ttxyeah -- project or projectgroup15:38
krotscheckOk, so it sounds like we want the email engine _working_ with a small, usable use case?15:39
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jeblairsounds reasonable, but not one of the more critical tasks15:40
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ttxkrotscheck: ++15:40
krotscheckGot it.15:40
krotscheckI’ll update the story.15:40
krotscheck#topic MVP1.1 Launchpad Data Import15:40
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krotscheckNo work has happened on this yet.15:41
fungijeblair: i don't recall, no15:41
ttxthat's MVP 1.1.1, right15:41
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krotscheck….goes to check15:41
* ttx looks at
krotscheckOh, neat!15:41
krotscheckMust have been a typo in storyboard.15:42
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jeblairserious infra usage of storyboard is more or less blocked on this; i'm not sure why it would be 1.1.115:42
jeblairthe juno etherpad says 1.115:42
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NikitaKonovalovand the python-client is in the section, which I think should be above the import15:42
jeblairNikitaKonovalov: i agree15:42
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jeblairthough that is 1.1.115:43
jeblairso i'm not sure what the thinking was there either :)15:43
krotscheckThe thinking was that for 1.1 we could write a DB dump script.15:43
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krotschecki.e. direct from DB to DB15:43
jeblairwell, we can't dump lp's db, so it would be lp-api > sql... but that sounds quite hard15:44
jeblairbecause we already have a database with data in it15:44
ttxjeblair: your call on 1.1 vs. 1.1.115:44
ttx1.1. was "bare minimum" and 1.1.1 was "usable"15:45
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jeblairi want to be really clear that we're basically not using storyboard at all -- we can only use it for storyboard itself15:46
jeblairi'd very much like that to change15:46
jeblairsooner rather than later15:46
jeblairif we can't import data soon, then i'd like to just manually move important bugs over and drop the rest15:47
krotscheckjeblair: The way I read that is “We have a list of features, let’s focus on getting some done quickly than all of them done at the same time"15:48
ttxjeblair: I think MVP 1.1 targets lets you migrate for a set of projects that do not have that much history15:48
jeblairkrotscheck: sure, it's just that the overall strategy is "get infra dogfooding as early as possible"15:48
ttxwhile we take on the task of handling LP migration15:48
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ttxbut yeah, it hardly seems more uregnt than email notifications15:49
ttxI mean the opposite15:49
krotscheckYeah, well, version semantics are secondary to “Hey we can’t actually use this thing”.15:49
krotscheckOk, so LP data import gets moved to the top.15:49
ttxemail notifications seem hardly more urgent than LP migration15:50
ttxkrotscheck: on that roadmap, I think we can safely mark "UI to find tasks assigned to you" done, right ?15:50
mordredjeblair: I do not remember why it was in 1.115:51
krotscheckI think so.15:51
krotscheckttx: I think so.15:51
ttxmordred: I lookes up the etherpad history, it seems to have been directly added there during the discussion15:51
ttxso someone must have said "email notifications are awesome!"15:51
jeblairi could probably live with waiting a bit more for the sync script (1.1.1) except that we seem to be letting more and more projects use this15:52
jeblairand that was not the plan15:52
jeblairthe plan was infra first, then move out from there15:52
mordredok - so I think a sync script is easy and I've been meaning to write one - I apologize for not having it done by now15:52
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mordredI do _not_ think it needs python-storyboardclient to exist15:52
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ttxkrotscheck: ok done. Also moved LP migration to 1.115:52
ttxso that we are in sync15:52
jeblairmordred: how will you import data?15:53
mordredjeblair: sqlalchemy commands, same as the project creation script15:53
mordredjeblair: from a script making launchpadlib calls15:53
krotscheckWe only have 5 minutes left and I want to give time for open discussion, can we put migration into mordred’s lap and sit on his head this week?15:53
mordredkrotscheck: yah. I should have time a little later this week to hack that up - if I can focus for 2 hours I think I can knock it out15:54
krotscheckmordred: Alrightey. Throw disrupting people in my direction if you need to clear up time.15:54
krotscheck#topic Open Discussion15:54
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krotscheckI’ve been working on the javascript build in infra, and I’ve added a patch that’ll let us create projects in storyboard without a corresponding git repository to support UX.15:55
krotscheckAnyone have anything else?15:55
NikitaKonovalovnothing from my side15:55
krotscheckThanks everyone!15:56
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