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| krotscheck | Storyboard meeting in #openstack-meeting from here on out. | 15:00 |
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| lblanchard | UX meeting time! Anyone around? | 16:57 |
| Chris_Richardson | Hi Liz, i'm here | 16:58 |
| lblanchard | #startmeeting UX | 16:58 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 4 16:58:28 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lblanchard. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:58 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: UX)" | 16:58 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ux' | 16:58 |
| lblanchard | welcome, Chris! Thanks for attending :) | 16:58 |
| lblanchard | jcoufal is away today so I will be chairing… | 16:59 |
| Chris_Richardson | Sure thing. I'm pretty darn new to this whole thing, so i'll do my best :) | 16:59 |
| lblanchard | Chris_Richardson: you'll do just fine :) | 16:59 |
| Chris_Richardson | Have you had an opportunity to look through that Pattern Guide on Google yet? | 17:00 |
| lblanchard | Chris_Richardson: I have…and it's on the agenda to talk about today in this meeting | 17:00 |
| Chris_Richardson | sweet. | 17:00 |
| lblanchard | the full agenda can be found here for all #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/UX | 17:00 |
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| lblanchard | well…let's see if we can get started. We might not have enough attendance to cover the first few topics, but we can try | 17:01 |
| lblanchard | #topic Wireframes review tool | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Wireframes review tool (Meeting topic: UX)" | 17:02 | |
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| lblanchard | some work has been done on reviewing some tools here #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/uxtools | 17:02 |
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| lblanchard | is anyone attending today who can give an update? I don't see Adi in the meeting… | 17:03 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 17:03 |
| lblanchard | hi david-lyle | 17:03 |
| david-lyle | not on the update though, bad timing :) | 17:03 |
| lblanchard | small crew today…I think just you, me and Chris_Richardson :) | 17:03 |
| lblanchard | haha, no worries | 17:03 |
| david-lyle | hmm | 17:03 |
| lblanchard | well…one topic that I know krotscheck would like to cover we can talk through now… | 17:04 |
| lblanchard | #topic UX Project name on StoryBoard | 17:04 |
| krotscheck | Ayup | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "UX Project name on StoryBoard (Meeting topic: UX)" | 17:04 | |
| david-lyle | I think the time confusion the past few weeks likely has effected attendance | 17:04 |
| krotscheck | Yes! | 17:04 |
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| lblanchard | #link •https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96549/ | 17:04 |
| lblanchard | david-lyle: agreed…hopefully getting on a bi-weekly Monday schedule will start to iron out confusion | 17:05 |
| krotscheck | So, I’ve managed to land a change to jeepyb that allows us to create a project without a git repository, paving the way for UX to have a place in infra. | 17:05 |
| lblanchard | krotscheck: awesome! | 17:05 |
| krotscheck | The only remaining piece is: What do we name it? | 17:05 |
| krotscheck | There’s rules and bylaws and conventions and things. | 17:05 |
| lblanchard | krotscheck: right…I saw one of the recent comments is that openstack/ux would not be acceptable since we aren't an official program? | 17:06 |
| krotscheck | Right, the same with openstack-ux/ux or anything similar. | 17:06 |
| krotscheck | Now, there’s no problem _renaming_ a project in the future. | 17:06 |
| lblanchard | krotscheck: so…basically it just can't have 'openstack' in the name? | 17:06 |
| krotscheck | For now, correct. | 17:06 |
| lblanchard | okay... | 17:06 |
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| krotscheck | Well, unless y’all want to talk to the TC and convince them to allow it. | 17:07 |
| lblanchard | right | 17:07 |
| krotscheck | But they will be way more easily convinced if they see some activity. | 17:07 |
| lblanchard | yes agreed…it's a chicken and egg thing probably haha | 17:07 |
| krotscheck | So getting y’all into infra is a means to an end :) | 17:07 |
| lblanchard | so you think it will be a huge pain to change the name later? | 17:07 |
| david-lyle | most projects change name at some point | 17:08 |
| krotscheck | No, it’s a request to infra-core, and renames usually happen on fridays. | 17:08 |
| david-lyle | not that it won't be a pain | 17:08 |
| lblanchard | okay | 17:08 |
| lblanchard | that's good | 17:08 |
| krotscheck | Case and point, Sahara is now something else? | 17:08 |
| * krotscheck didn’t keep track of that one. | 17:08 | |
| lblanchard | sounds like we should pick something that works well based on the rules and conventions they have…I don't think we need to make an exception for us | 17:08 |
| lblanchard | how about just ux? | 17:08 |
| lblanchard | we've been using that as a tag on the ML | 17:09 |
| lblanchard | and it's our meeting name | 17:09 |
| krotscheck | Well, _I_ think they should make an exception, but it’s hard to make a case. | 17:09 |
| lblanchard | ah, understood | 17:09 |
| lblanchard | haha well I do too…but we have biased opinions probably :) | 17:09 |
| krotscheck | Clearly :) | 17:09 |
| lblanchard | I think if we show all of the work we can do it will make a better case for us becoming an official program | 17:10 |
| david-lyle | +1 on just 'ux' | 17:10 |
| lblanchard | and I'd like to follow the rules on the way to do that…rather than always get exceptions | 17:10 |
| david-lyle | especially if we don't need a repo | 17:10 |
| lblanchard | krotscheck: thoughts on just 'ux'? | 17:10 |
| lblanchard | I can run it by jcoufal quickly when he is back too | 17:11 |
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| krotscheck | I’m not a member of the TC. is jeblair available to comment on an appropriate name for the UX team? | 17:11 |
| krotscheck | I look at things like this and think that the easiest path to adoption is going to be pretending we’re a software project. http://ci.openstack.org/stackforge.html | 17:11 |
| krotscheck | “…and in some cases to ease a project’s path to incubation and official integration.” | 17:12 |
| krotscheck | But then there’s a distinction between “project” and “program". | 17:12 |
| lblanchard | krotscheck: yeah…I have no idea how that would work for UX considering we don't have code | 17:12 |
| david-lyle | what we'd want in source control is final design docs which are blobs and aren't great for git | 17:13 |
| lblanchard | david-lyle: right | 17:13 |
| lblanchard | well, for this topic why don't I take the action to follow up with jeblair and jcoufal | 17:13 |
| krotscheck | There appears to be an official “how to” on becoming a program here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/NewPrograms | 17:13 |
| lblanchard | we can decide on if 'ux' works for a name | 17:13 |
| lblanchard | and keep you, krotscheck, in the loop along the way? | 17:14 |
| krotscheck | And use ‘stackforge/ux’ as a fallback? | 17:14 |
| david-lyle | how about a picasa account? or the like? | 17:14 |
| krotscheck | david-lyle: I’ve already gotten a handslap for trying to include invision in my workflow. | 17:14 |
| lblanchard | david-lyle: well…I think it would be nice to be able to store raw design files too | 17:14 |
| krotscheck | non-opensource-services are a no-no | 17:14 |
| lblanchard | david-lyle, krotscheck: right…we talked a little bit about potentially using swift | 17:15 |
| lblanchard | but I have no idea how that could/might work... | 17:15 |
| lblanchard | research needed I guess | 17:15 |
| david-lyle | ok, so gimp and the image storage backend that OpenStack provides? | 17:15 |
| lblanchard | david-lyle: perhaps? | 17:15 |
| david-lyle | which installation of swift? | 17:15 |
| krotscheck | This is more of a third-party-tooling discussion, rather than a namign thing, yes? | 17:15 |
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| david-lyle | yes | 17:15 |
| lblanchard | haha yes | 17:16 |
| david-lyle | detour off the repo discussion | 17:16 |
| lblanchard | #action lblanchard to follow up with jeblair and jcoufal on 'ux' naming for repository, keep krotscheck in the loop | 17:16 |
| krotscheck | Ok, y’all can talk about that, I’m going to bounce into infra and see if I can get an opinion. | 17:16 |
| lblanchard | krotscheck: thanks | 17:16 |
| david-lyle | thanks | 17:16 |
| lblanchard | david-lyle: I will add the topic of storing design files/images to our next meeting…I don't think we have enough people to really get anywhere today | 17:17 |
| lblanchard | david-lyle: I think some research is needed too | 17:17 |
| david-lyle | lblanchard: sure | 17:17 |
| lblanchard | david-lyle: thanks | 17:17 |
| david-lyle | sounds like a good plan | 17:17 |
| lblanchard | so the last topic I'd like to cover today before open discussion… | 17:18 |
| lblanchard | #topic Horizon Pattern Library | 17:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Horizon Pattern Library (Meeting topic: UX)" | 17:18 | |
| lblanchard | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1OKy_oXZQSg8Feo0p6Es7giR6a-w_CK8H03D2R2yAUjs/edit | 17:18 |
| lblanchard | Chris_Richardson has put together a nice first version of a Horizon Pattern Doc... | 17:18 |
| lblanchard | Chris_Richardson: would you like to give an intro to this and talk through what you are looking for with respect to feedback? | 17:18 |
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| Chris_Richardson | yep, that's where I come in. Please feel free to provide any feedback on that document. | 17:19 |
| lblanchard | Chris_Richardson: so the intended audience is developers and designers? | 17:19 |
| Chris_Richardson | I know Piet is aiming to wrap up this document in the next few days so we can begin porting it into an RST format | 17:19 |
| david-lyle | it's been a little while since I looked at it, but things like widths and heights are a little problematic | 17:20 |
| Chris_Richardson | Yes, but mostly developers since we will be moving it into the RST format | 17:20 |
| david-lyle | I'm think particularly around the login form | 17:20 |
| david-lyle | that form changes dimensions :) | 17:21 |
| Chris_Richardson | Cool. So using widths & heights should be deleted since they aren't always concrete? | 17:21 |
| lblanchard | sneaky :) | 17:21 |
| david-lyle | I think so | 17:21 |
| Chris_Richardson | no problem. Done. | 17:21 |
| lblanchard | I guess even just noting that would be good | 17:21 |
| lblanchard | I think one big concern would just be keeping up with any changes being made… | 17:22 |
| david-lyle | Chris_Richardson: thanks for your work | 17:22 |
| lblanchard | Will this be updated with each patch? Or I guess more likely with each release of OpenStack? | 17:22 |
| david-lyle | maybe we date the docs and redate them when updated | 17:22 |
| lblanchard | david-lyle: yeah great idea to date them | 17:23 |
| lblanchard | maybe have a "What's changed?" section | 17:23 |
| Chris_Richardson | Ahh, thats an interesting idea. | 17:23 |
| david-lyle | yes | 17:23 |
| david-lyle | at least give a heads up on areas that have changed but have not been updated in the doc yet | 17:24 |
| Chris_Richardson | Is there an area or website i can visit to see what is currently being updated? | 17:24 |
| david-lyle | only the reviews in progress on review.openstack.org | 17:25 |
| david-lyle | that may be hard to rationalize | 17:25 |
| lblanchard | right…and the ones specific to Horizon... | 17:25 |
| david-lyle | I think the idea is as part of these changes, the authors add a comment in the what's changed section | 17:25 |
| lblanchard | but yes, all are not fundamental UI design changes… | 17:26 |
| david-lyle | lblanchard: right | 17:26 |
| Chris_Richardson | So would we want to release staged, periodic releases of this document... like, 4 times per year? | 17:26 |
| david-lyle | Chris_Richardson: I would be happy to get 2x per year | 17:26 |
| david-lyle | but more is better | 17:27 |
| david-lyle | OpenStack has 2 releases per year | 17:27 |
| Chris_Richardson | ha. 2 works for me | 17:27 |
| lblanchard | yeah I'd agree…we should do at least with each openstack release which is 2x per year | 17:27 |
| Chris_Richardson | Then, if necessary, i'm sure we can have a page in the document that directs people to a specific website that shows current/new progress | 17:28 |
| lblanchard | one other big thought…is there a plan on how to actually make sure developers follow these guidelines? | 17:28 |
| david-lyle | show be added to the review criteria for Horizon and referenced in reviews where it differs | 17:28 |
| david-lyle | s/show/should | 17:29 |
| lblanchard | maybe? I wouldn't want UX to become any sort of bottle neck | 17:29 |
| lblanchard | although anyone could comment on whether something is following the guidelines or not :) | 17:29 |
| david-lyle | UX should be a bottleneck | 17:30 |
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| lblanchard | there is so much gray area around some of this stuff…for example...wizards | 17:30 |
| david-lyle | we need to get consistent | 17:30 |
| lblanchard | should all "create X" flows follow the wizard design? | 17:30 |
| lblanchard | I think most should... | 17:30 |
| david-lyle | lblanchard: that's true, those are a moving target | 17:30 |
| lblanchard | right | 17:30 |
| lblanchard | this is an awesome first step to getting to consistency though | 17:30 |
| david-lyle | we could add a comment to that in Chris's documentation | 17:30 |
| lblanchard | so to repeat what david-lyle said, awesome stuff Chris_Richardson | 17:30 |
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| lblanchard | david-lyle: maybe it's another exercise to pinpoint the areas of Horizon that aren't complying with the patterns? | 17:31 |
| david-lyle | yes | 17:31 |
| Chris_Richardson | Thank you. Well, i'll be avail for any and all updates | 17:31 |
| lblanchard | Chris_Richardson: any plans on your end to do something like this? | 17:31 |
| david-lyle | separate from Chris's work | 17:31 |
| lblanchard | david-lyle: yes for sure | 17:31 |
| Chris_Richardson | I haven't discussed this with Piet yet. So I don't really have an answer at this point. | 17:32 |
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| Chris_Richardson | Basically, it sounds like we need some sort of "quality assurance" ? | 17:33 |
| lblanchard | Chris_Richardson: okay, no worries at all. It's not something I'm expecting you to take on, just something we should do as a team…both UX and Horizon | 17:33 |
| lblanchard | Chris_Richardson: right…with a little bit of help from UX I think | 17:33 |
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| lblanchard | Chris_Richardson: since it's not always cut and dry when to use which patterns | 17:33 |
| Chris_Richardson | Gotcha. | 17:34 |
| lblanchard | well…for today I'm going to add an action for everyone to at least give feedback on the doc | 17:34 |
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| lblanchard | #action All - Give feedback by the next meeting (2 weeks from today) on Chris's patterns doc https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1OKy_oXZQSg8Feo0p6Es7giR6a-w_CK8H03D2R2yAUjs/edit#slide=id.g368f5f66d_167 | 17:34 |
| Chris_Richardson | Yeah, that would be great. Then i can consolidate a list of items to tackle to create the next round | 17:34 |
| lblanchard | Chris_Richardson: perfect, thanks again for this | 17:34 |
| Chris_Richardson | no problem. glad i can help | 17:35 |
| lblanchard | Chris_Richardson: it will definitely evolve, but this is the heavy lifting to start it! | 17:35 |
| lblanchard | alright, with such a small crew I don't think we will really have much to talk about with respect to faceted search…so… | 17:36 |
| lblanchard | #topic Open Discussion | 17:36 |
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| krotscheck | Just got an answer from infra | 17:36 |
| lblanchard | anything else you guys want to bring up? | 17:36 |
| lblanchard | krotscheck: oh good! | 17:36 |
| lblanchard | what did they say? | 17:36 |
| krotscheck | Long story short: “ux” is a top level namespace, and is likely to only be granted once UX is an official program. | 17:36 |
| krotscheck | The goal is to get you guys onto storyboard as quickly as possible so we can use activity to show that the team is doing thigns. | 17:36 |
| lblanchard | krotscheck: did they have any suggestions? | 17:36 |
| krotscheck | So the suggestion was to use the stackforge prefix for now. | 17:37 |
| krotscheck | i.e.: “stackforge/ux" | 17:37 |
| lblanchard | krotscheck: okay…that sounds like it would be find to me | 17:37 |
| lblanchard | david-lyle: any thoughts on that? | 17:37 |
| david-lyle | sounds good to me | 17:37 |
| lblanchard | awesome, thanks | 17:38 |
| lblanchard | and thanks krotscheck for continually pushing this uphill | 17:38 |
| lblanchard | I will send a quick e-mail to jcoufal and you just to confirm he's okay with this | 17:38 |
| krotscheck | Patch update | 17:38 |
| krotscheck | Patch updated | 17:38 |
| lblanchard | okay great | 17:38 |
| lblanchard | he can comment on the patch if he's not okay…I'm sure he will be on board with moving it forward :) | 17:39 |
| lblanchard | any other topics for today? | 17:39 |
| lblanchard | Our next meeting with be 8/18 (2 weeks from today) at 17:00 UTC… | 17:40 |
| Chris_Richardson | Sounds good. Thank you for the feedback. | 17:40 |
| lblanchard | any time…hopefully there will be more to come on the doc :) | 17:40 |
| lblanchard | #endmeeting | 17:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 4 17:40:51 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ux/2014/ux.2014-08-04-16.58.html | 17:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ux/2014/ux.2014-08-04-16.58.txt | 17:40 |
| lblanchard | thanks all! | 17:40 |
| david-lyle | lblanchard: thanks! | 17:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ux/2014/ux.2014-08-04-16.58.log.html | 17:40 |
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| vkmc | o/ | 21:00 |
| flaper87 | #startmeeting Zaqar | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 4 21:00:34 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flaper87. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zaqar' | 21:00 |
| flaper87 | #topic roll call | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 21:00 | |
| flaper87 | o/ | 21:00 |
| vkmc | o/ | 21:00 |
| ametts | o/ | 21:00 |
| * flaper87 wonders where flwang is >.> | 21:01 | |
| flaper87 | He's suppose to be awake and here | 21:01 |
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| flaper87 | ok, lets move on, I guess :D | 21:01 |
| flaper87 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Marconi#Agenda | 21:01 |
| flaper87 | That's the agenda for today's meeting | 21:01 |
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| flaper87 | there are some topics kgriffs wanted to talk about so I hope he'll be back soon enough | 21:02 |
| flaper87 | #topic Graduation Status | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Graduation Status (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 21:02 | |
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| flaper87 | lets go straight there | 21:02 |
| flaper87 | So far, we've renamed the project internally | 21:02 |
| flaper87 | by internally I mean in the repo | 21:02 |
| flaper87 | but we're still waiting for the repo to be renamed | 21:03 |
| flaper87 | it'll be schedule sometime during this/next week | 21:03 |
| flaper87 | I hope | 21:03 |
| flaper87 | we need to follow-up with the -infra guys on that | 21:03 |
| flaper87 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/marconi-graduation | 21:03 |
| flaper87 | There're many things to write | 21:03 |
| flaper87 | There's a documentation day scheduled this Thursday but, as kgriffs said in the channel, we shouldn't wait 'til that day comes | 21:04 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: what are your feelings on this? | 21:04 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: ? | 21:04 |
| vkmc | flaper87, well the thing is that the user guide should be written with docbook | 21:04 |
| vkmc | and we are not familiar (at least not me nor kgriffs) with it | 21:05 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: ok, who can provide some guidance there? Anne? | 21:05 |
| vkmc | flaper87, yes, someone in docs | 21:05 |
| flaper87 | There are other things to write down. For example, the use cases: :Get concrete integration use cases, maybe even POC from 2-3 other projects." | 21:05 |
| vkmc | kgriffs already asked Catherine, I heard she contributed with docs once | 21:05 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: awesome, good call | 21:06 |
| vkmc | yes there is a lot to do | 21:06 |
| flaper87 | yeah, she did | 21:06 |
| vkmc | but I'd focus on the basics | 21:06 |
| flaper87 | Agreed | 21:06 |
| vkmc | at least to get to the graduation on time | 21:06 |
| vkmc | then we can polish it and add more useful | 21:06 |
| flaper87 | There are some patches we need to keep an eye on, for example: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111817/ | 21:06 |
| vkmc | we should add this ideas to the docs bp so we can remember then on K | 21:06 |
| * vkmc clicks | 21:07 | |
| flaper87 | for some reason that one failed, the py27 tests ran on a trusty box but others ran on a precise | 21:07 |
| flaper87 | AFAICS | 21:07 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: +! | 21:07 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: +1 | 21:07 |
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| flaper87 | Lets make sure enough reviews are provided, ok? | 21:08 |
| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/marconi,n,z | 21:08 |
| flaper87 | but lets focus on patches addressing blueprints for juno | 21:08 |
| flaper87 | Speaking of blueprints: | 21:08 |
| flaper87 | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/juno | 21:08 |
| flaper87 | I cleaned up some of them but I think there's still some clean-up to do | 21:08 |
| flaper87 | if you think there's a blueprint that shouldn't be there, lemme know | 21:09 |
| flaper87 | Same thing applies if you think a blueprint *should* be scheduled for Juno | 21:09 |
| flaper87 | Blueprints that need more attention are the ones marked as "Essential" or "High" | 21:09 |
| flaper87 | lets focus on getting those done asap | 21:09 |
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| flaper87 | we're in good shape | 21:10 |
| flaper87 | or well, at least it's not terrible | 21:10 |
| flaper87 | :P | 21:10 |
| flaper87 | ok, lets move on | 21:11 |
| flaper87 | #topic Project Rename | 21:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Project Rename (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 21:11 | |
| flaper87 | I already mentioned the status code-wise but there are other things to do here | 21:11 |
| flaper87 | I'd like to list them now and see if something else comes to your mind | 21:12 |
| flaper87 | We need to: | 21:12 |
| flaper87 | 1. Update all the wiki pages (PAINFUL) | 21:12 |
| flaper87 | 2. Update documentation | 21:12 |
| flaper87 | 3. Release a new version of the client on pypi (with the new name) | 21:12 |
| flaper87 | 4. Rename the project in our brains | 21:12 |
| flaper87 | 5. Make sure ppl that gets into #openstack-marconi are redirected to #openstack-zaqar | 21:13 |
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| flaper87 | when the infra patch lands, that'll probably be done automagically | 21:13 |
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| flwang | o/ | 21:13 |
| malini | o/ | 21:13 |
| flwang | the meeting time has been changed, is it? | 21:13 |
| flaper87 | malini: flwang hey hey :) | 21:13 |
| vkmc | 6. Add Zaqar tag to the Marconi questions in ask.openstack.org | 21:13 |
| flaper87 | flwang: yup, we're in the meeting now | 21:13 |
| flaper87 | it started like 13min ago | 21:13 |
| flwang | cool | 21:14 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: +1, good one | 21:14 |
| flaper87 | 7. Make a final announcement on the mailing list | 21:14 |
| flaper87 | malini: flwang we just walked through the status of the graduation process and the things left to do for the rename | 21:14 |
| flwang | flaper87: nice | 21:15 |
| flaper87 | malini: flwang is there anything concerning you? | 21:15 |
| malini | no :) | 21:15 |
| malini | do we have the pending items list somewhere? | 21:15 |
| flaper87 | malini: I'll start cleaning these up after the meeting: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/marconi-graduation | 21:16 |
| flaper87 | or well, tomorrow on the plane | 21:16 |
| flaper87 | :P | 21:16 |
| flaper87 | malini: we need eyes on this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111817/ | 21:16 |
| flwang | based on the patches in reviewing, seems we're in a good shape | 21:16 |
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| flaper87 | py27 passed but the others failed... I think they ran on precise for some reason | 21:16 |
| flaper87 | although the regex seems correct and it worked for py27 | 21:17 |
| flaper87 | flwang: we are | 21:17 |
| flaper87 | I mean, we're not in a terrible shape but there's lot to do on the docs side | 21:17 |
| flaper87 | malini: could you follow-up with infra on that? | 21:17 |
| malini | on py26 failure? | 21:17 |
| malini | hmm..py33 is failing too | 21:18 |
| flaper87 | malini: but py33 raised the version exception | 21:18 |
| flaper87 | py26 raised some other exceptions | 21:19 |
| malini | py33 still on precise | 21:19 |
| flaper87 | malini: right but that's weird, the regex should've caught py33 too | 21:19 |
| flaper87 | matched* | 21:19 |
| malini | & py26 is on centis6 | 21:19 |
| malini | See http://logs.openstack.org/17/111817/1/check/gate-marconi-python26/2cd857d/console.html | 21:19 |
| flaper87 | oh, mmh | 21:19 |
| flaper87 | ah lol, I was grepping on ubuntu | 21:20 |
| flaper87 | ok | 21:20 |
| flaper87 | based on the errors it looks like centos box doesn't install mongodb by default | 21:20 |
| malini | but we set our default servers to be trusty | 21:21 |
| flaper87 | it basically means we can't do this switch just yet | 21:21 |
| malini | guess we need to follow up on tht patch | 21:21 |
| flaper87 | malini: exactly, could you ping infra ? | 21:21 |
| malini | sure..can you give me the review link if you have it handy? | 21:21 |
| flaper87 | malini: this is the patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111784/ | 21:21 |
| flaper87 | lol | 21:21 |
| malini | thx! I will follow up on tht | 21:22 |
| flaper87 | awesome, thanks | 21:22 |
| flaper87 | all, if you have time, go through this list and check whether it makes sense: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/juno | 21:23 |
| flaper87 | also, flwang's patch could use some reviews | 21:24 |
| flaper87 | as soon as he pushes the update | 21:24 |
| flaper87 | lets focus on getting Essential/High blueprints done | 21:24 |
| flwang | flaper87: I will post a new PS | 21:24 |
| flwang | today | 21:24 |
| vkmc | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/api-v1.1-user-guide this one should be retargeted to K | 21:24 |
| flaper87 | flwang: awesome, thanks! | 21:24 |
| flwang | my today I mean :) | 21:24 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: I meant to ask you that, thanks! | 21:25 |
| vkmc | flaper87, oh sorry, I could do that :) | 21:25 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: npp | 21:25 |
| flaper87 | done | 21:25 |
| vkmc | thx | 21:26 |
| flaper87 | ok, anything else on this topic? | 21:26 |
| malini | I will probably need somebody else to help with https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+spec/devstack-marconi-tests | 21:27 |
| flaper87 | malini: what's missing there? | 21:27 |
| malini | this is to point our functional tests against devstack | 21:27 |
| malini | This is not needed for graduation | 21:27 |
| malini | But will be good to have eventually | 21:27 |
| flaper87 | malini: ok, I'll lower the priority then | 21:28 |
| flaper87 | Anything that is not needed for graduation shouldn't be considered essential | 21:28 |
| flaper87 | malini: if you get a chance, pls, explain in the blueprint what the bp is about and what's missing | 21:28 |
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| malini | ok | 21:29 |
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| flaper87 | malini: I just read what clarkb said in -infra | 21:29 |
| flaper87 | in that case, we need another patch that sets the ZAQAR_ENABLE_MONGODB flag on the py27 gate | 21:30 |
| flaper87 | instead of changing the default | 21:30 |
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| malini | for the benefit of others "that job can only run on centos6 because ubuntu does not have python 2.6" | 21:30 |
| flaper87 | malini: could you ask how to set an env bar for a get job? | 21:31 |
| malini | We are py34 compilant, rt? | 21:31 |
| flaper87 | malini: no idea :P | 21:31 |
| flaper87 | I think I saw how to do that but I don't recall where | 21:31 |
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| flaper87 | ok | 21:32 |
| flaper87 | lets move on | 21:32 |
| malini | flaper87: I dont understand this "how to set an env bar for a get job?" | 21:32 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: there? | 21:32 |
| kgriffs | yep | 21:32 |
| flaper87 | malini: sorry, lemme explain | 21:32 |
| kgriffs | sorry, got stuck in a meatspace meeting that went way over. | 21:32 |
| flaper87 | since *just* py27 gate can run on trusty | 21:32 |
| flaper87 | we should then configure the gate to set the MONGODB environment var so that the mongodb tests will be enabled on the py27 gate | 21:33 |
| malini | yes | 21:33 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: FYI, turns out that just py27 can run on trusty | 21:33 |
| malini | I figured tht much | 21:33 |
| kgriffs | ah | 21:33 |
| flaper87 | malini: ok, there's a way to do that in the `config` repo | 21:33 |
| flaper87 | I don't recall how | 21:33 |
| kgriffs | so we set ZAQAR_TEST_MONGODB=1 on py27 | 21:33 |
| kgriffs | and | 21:33 |
| kgriffs | ZAQAR_TEST_MONGODB=0 on the others? | 21:33 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: yup | 21:33 |
| malini | I'll find tht one | 21:33 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: or just ZAQAR_TEST_MONGODB=1 | 21:34 |
| flaper87 | and we abandon your patch | 21:34 |
| flaper87 | :P | 21:34 |
| kgriffs | book | 21:34 |
| kgriffs | booh | 21:34 |
| kgriffs | :) | 21:34 |
| kgriffs | I guess if we have it running on py27 in the gate bugs won't get merged on accident | 21:34 |
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| flaper87 | I'd prefer to merge your patch since I'd like everyone to test on MongoDB | 21:34 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: yeah | 21:35 |
| flaper87 | it should be enough | 21:35 |
| flaper87 | I hope | 21:35 |
| malini | but if we merge kgriffs patch, gating will become complex, rt? | 21:35 |
| malini | or we set it to false in py26 & py33 | 21:35 |
| flaper87 | malini: right, we just need to enable mongodb tests on py27 | 21:35 |
| flaper87 | we won't merge kgriffs patch, for now. | 21:36 |
| kgriffs | kk | 21:36 |
| flaper87 | (unless there are better ideas) | 21:36 |
| flaper87 | :D | 21:36 |
| flaper87 | anything else? | 21:36 |
| * flaper87 is getting blinder everyday | 21:37 | |
| * flaper87 wonders where his glasses are | 21:37 | |
| flaper87 | ok moving on | 21:37 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: you put some things in the agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Marconi#Agenda | 21:37 |
| flaper87 | we covered the roadmap and the rename process | 21:37 |
| kgriffs | yeah, I can run through those real quick | 21:37 |
| flaper87 | and also mongodb | 21:37 |
| flaper87 | ok cool | 21:37 |
| flaper87 | #topic Getting in the habit of using DocImpact, SecurityImpact, and UpgradeImpact keywords in commit messages | 21:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Getting in the habit of using DocImpact, SecurityImpact, and UpgradeImpact keywords in commit messages (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 21:37 | |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: floor is yours | 21:38 |
| kgriffs | OK, I just wanted to make everyone aware of these keywords and encourage everyone to start using them. I think reviewers should also check for them if they are needed. | 21:38 |
| kgriffs | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GitCommitMessages#Including_external_references | 21:39 |
| * flaper87 clicks | 21:39 | |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: +1 | 21:39 |
| kgriffs | This will help us track relevant doc, security, and upgrade/migration work | 21:39 |
| flaper87 | someone asked me what DocImpact is for the other day | 21:39 |
| flaper87 | I didn't know there was a wiki page with that | 21:40 |
| flaper87 | awesome | 21:40 |
| malini | tht was mw | 21:40 |
| kgriffs | yep | 21:40 |
| flaper87 | malini: I should've known (kidding) | 21:40 |
| flaper87 | :D | 21:40 |
| flaper87 | ok, any questions? | 21:41 |
| kgriffs | so if you add a new feature, api change, config changes, etc. that's when these tags come into play | 21:41 |
| * kgriffs realizes he just about described every patch, ever. :p | 21:41 | |
| flaper87 | reviewers should pay extra attention to this point | 21:41 |
| kgriffs | +1 | 21:41 |
| flaper87 | I know flwang is very good at remembering these things | 21:41 |
| flaper87 | I'm not but I'll put extra attention | 21:41 |
| flwang | flaper87: are you kidding ? :D | 21:42 |
| vkmc | omitting this tags are enough reason for a -1? | 21:42 |
| flaper87 | flwang: no, I've counted how many -1s you've sent on my patches with a: "Should this have DocImpact?" comment | 21:42 |
| flwang | flaper87: but I will add the docImpact to my /health patch for sure :) | 21:42 |
| flaper87 | >.> | 21:42 |
| flwang | flaper87: in Glance, right? haha | 21:42 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: yes, they are | 21:42 |
| flaper87 | flwang: yes >.> | 21:42 |
| flaper87 | :D | 21:43 |
| vkmc | cool | 21:43 |
| flaper87 | anything else? | 21:43 |
| flwang | flaper87: I'm shame a glance guy for now, seems I put more effort on Zaqar recently | 21:43 |
| flaper87 | flwang: oh, you're a great guy | 21:43 |
| flaper87 | that's the way to go | 21:43 |
| malini | flaper87: be sure to chk openstack-zaqar, after the meeting & before you sleep :) | 21:43 |
| flaper87 | that's what the whole community should do | 21:43 |
| * flaper87 ducks | 21:44 | |
| flaper87 | malini: +! | 21:44 |
| flaper87 | malini: +1 | 21:44 |
| flaper87 | ok, moving on | 21:44 |
| flaper87 | #topic Move or copy _TRANSPORT_LIMITS_OPTIONS to pool catalog? | 21:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Move or copy _TRANSPORT_LIMITS_OPTIONS to pool catalog? (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 21:44 | |
| kgriffs | ok, so as part of the work to do flavors, I think it makes sense to have different limits per pool/flavor | 21:45 |
| kgriffs | for example, a Redis pool may want a smaller max message size since everything goes into RAM | 21:45 |
| kgriffs | we talked about making pools "always on" | 21:46 |
| kgriffs | in which case you would configure a single pool and set config options, such as limits, in there | 21:46 |
| kgriffs | otherwise, we will have a DRY problem with configuration | 21:46 |
| flaper87 | +1 | 21:46 |
| flaper87 | I'm leaning a lot towards requiring to have a pool, always | 21:47 |
| flaper87 | The only benefit of not using pools is that it's easier to deploy a single pool zaqar instance | 21:47 |
| flaper87 | but, I don't think it's too much of a trouble to create a pool | 21:47 |
| flaper87 | it's a 1 command config | 21:47 |
| kgriffs | right. on the other hand, we can probably write some setup/deploy scripts to automate most of that pain away | 21:47 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: +! | 21:48 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: +1 | 21:48 |
| kgriffs | ok | 21:48 |
| kgriffs | cool | 21:48 |
| kgriffs | so, I guess we talked about two things | 21:48 |
| kgriffs | first, making pools always on | 21:48 |
| flaper87 | (as usual we can't just talk about 1) | 21:48 |
| kgriffs | (lol) | 21:48 |
| flaper87 | (what's wrong with us?) | 21:48 |
| kgriffs | second, using that to provide per-pool configs like limits | 21:48 |
| flaper87 | They can happen in parallel | 21:49 |
| flaper87 | My concern about the first one is that it'll break devstack | 21:49 |
| flaper87 | so, here's an idea | 21:49 |
| flaper87 | what if we update devstack first to use pools | 21:49 |
| flaper87 | and then we make the "always use pools" change in marconi ? | 21:49 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: malini ? | 21:50 |
| malini | just make sure to fix devstack if you break it | 21:50 |
| kgriffs | makes sense. BTW, we will need to figure out a migration plan for non-pooled deployments | 21:50 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: right | 21:50 |
| flaper87 | do we have a blueprint for this? | 21:51 |
| flaper87 | I don't think so | 21:51 |
| malini | do we need this in j-3? | 21:51 |
| kgriffs | I don't think we do for either item | 21:51 |
| flaper87 | Lets start with devstack and then we'll see where we are at and decide whether we should make this in j-3 or not | 21:51 |
| kgriffs | malini: no, this would be kilo i guess | 21:51 |
| flaper87 | actually, you are right, it's too late in the game | 21:52 |
| flaper87 | But I'd sill want to see the devstack patch in Juno | 21:52 |
| malini | FYI...we have experimental job in devstack-gate, make sure to run tht before any change | 21:52 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: great, you just added a third item. :p | 21:52 |
| flaper87 | :D | 21:53 |
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| * flaper87 is getting better at this | 21:53 | |
| * kgriffs chuckles | 21:53 | |
| flaper87 | ok, we need blueprints for those 2 items | 21:53 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: can you create them? | 21:53 |
| kgriffs | sure | 21:53 |
| flaper87 | otherwise I'll do it tomorrow | 21:53 |
| flaper87 | cool beans | 21:53 |
| flaper87 | on the flavors note | 21:54 |
| flaper87 | I still think we should get that work done in Juno | 21:54 |
| flaper87 | is almost done and we just merged metadata back into the queue endpoint | 21:54 |
| flaper87 | I'll complete the work there asap so we can review it | 21:54 |
| flaper87 | #topic Open Discussion | 21:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 21:55 | |
| flaper87 | 5min left | 21:55 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: welcome to the core team ;) | 21:55 |
| flaper87 | thank you for your hard work | 21:55 |
| malini | woot! | 21:55 |
| flaper87 | and lemme tell you something, you're doomed now ;) | 21:55 |
| flaper87 | anything you guys want to bring up? | 21:56 |
| vkmc | :D | 21:56 |
| vkmc | thanks guys | 21:56 |
| vkmc | not for the doomed part... but for being so cool with me | 21:56 |
| flaper87 | You better write some docs on Thursday or there won't be a Como-Lake meetup during Kilo >.> | 21:56 |
| flaper87 | (and that's for everyone) | 21:57 |
| flaper87 | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | 21:57 |
| kgriffs | heh | 21:57 |
| kgriffs | and read up on docbook | 21:57 |
| flaper87 | +1 | 21:57 |
| kgriffs | :-o | 21:57 |
| * vkmc hides | 21:57 | |
| vkmc | btw, in case somebody didn't saw the mail list... we are having an all-hands doc day for Zaqar on Thursday | 21:58 |
| vkmc | any help is more than welcome | 21:58 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: +1 +1 +1 +1 | 21:58 |
| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111061/ <- coool | 21:58 |
| vkmc | flaper87 has gummybears to share | 21:58 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: wait what? | 21:59 |
| flaper87 | you should give me gummy bears | 21:59 |
| flaper87 | not the other way around | 21:59 |
| flaper87 | >.> | 21:59 |
| kgriffs | lol | 21:59 |
| vkmc | lol | 21:59 |
| flaper87 | I'm the adict, you are the dealer | 21:59 |
| flaper87 | ok guys, time's up | 21:59 |
| flaper87 | lets call it | 21:59 |
| * ametts wonders when this group changed from pop tarts to gummy bears | 21:59 | |
| vkmc | will code for gummybears | 21:59 |
| flaper87 | have a great rest of the day | 21:59 |
| flaper87 | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 4 21:59:54 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2014/zaqar.2014-08-04-21.00.html | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2014/zaqar.2014-08-04-21.00.txt | 21:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2014/zaqar.2014-08-04-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
| malini | ametts: I didnt get the notice either | 22:00 |
| vkmc | thansk all o/ | 22:00 |
| vkmc | thanks* | 22:00 |
| vkmc | malini, ametts I guess there is room for poptarts, gummybears, nutella... | 22:00 |
| ametts | hmm... nutella-flavored pop-tarts.... | 22:01 |
| vkmc | +10000 | 22:01 |
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