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| thomasem | Whelp... guess no meeting today. | 15:11 |
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| david-lyle | #startmeeting Horizon | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 5 16:01:32 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 16:01 |
| david-lyle | Hello everyone | 16:01 |
| doug-fish | Hello | 16:01 |
| jgravel_ | hello | 16:01 |
| gary-smith | hi | 16:01 |
| crobertsrh | Hi | 16:02 |
| lblanchard | hi all | 16:02 |
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| lcheng | hello | 16:02 |
| rhagarty | hello | 16:02 |
| asahlin | Hi | 16:02 |
| clu_ | Hi! | 16:02 |
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| tzumainn | hiya | 16:03 |
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| david-lyle | Only general item before the agenda, Juno-3 status | 16:03 |
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| david-lyle | I still haven't cleaned up the J-3 bp list yet, but many of those items will not make it | 16:03 |
| david-lyle | just trying to set expectations | 16:04 |
| david-lyle | additionally I set a feature proposal freeze of Aug 12 in the last meeting | 16:04 |
| david-lyle | that's 1 week before the general openstack deadline, but we're already overloaded | 16:05 |
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| david-lyle | on to the agenda | 16:05 |
| david-lyle | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon | 16:06 |
| david-lyle | #topic bootstrap upgrade bugs | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bootstrap upgrade bugs (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 16:06 | |
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| david-lyle | we decided to accept the bootstrap patch and fix the bugs following in smaller patches | 16:06 |
| david-lyle | we have a lot of bugs reported, #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bugs?field.tag=bootstrap | 16:07 |
| david-lyle | the most severe of which I just noticed was missing the tag: https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1350733 | 16:08 |
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| rbertram | Sorry - didn't know about tag | 16:08 |
| jpich | No worries, I should have set it when I triaged it, missed it too | 16:09 |
| david-lyle | We need to make sure we get these fixes in good shape and merged as quickly as possible without creating future problems in our haster | 16:09 |
| david-lyle | *haste | 16:09 |
| david-lyle | rbertram: I'm looking at the one I just mentioned | 16:10 |
| rbertram | Yep, I just added a comment | 16:10 |
| david-lyle | to see how we can address it without hacking up the imported library code | 16:11 |
| tqtran | david: looks like randy upgraded the file with the latest | 16:11 |
| tqtran | david: it was not a manual edit | 16:11 |
| * david-lyle back from reading comments | 16:12 | |
| david-lyle | ok, missed that | 16:12 |
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| david-lyle | your patch should be alright then | 16:12 |
| rbertram | Cool | 16:12 |
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| david-lyle | I'll take another look after this meeting | 16:12 |
| david-lyle | there are several other fixes in progress as well | 16:13 |
| david-lyle | for other bugs | 16:13 |
| david-lyle | Make sure you give the bootstrap issues some review love is my point | 16:14 |
| david-lyle | #topic pep8 breakages | 16:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "pep8 breakages (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 16:14 | |
| david-lyle | We are back on the golden path with pep8, thanks amotoki for your efforts there | 16:15 |
| david-lyle | #topic Django 1.7 support (added by amotoki) | 16:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Django 1.7 support (added by amotoki) (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 16:16 | |
| david-lyle | I don't think amotoki is here | 16:16 |
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| david-lyle | the requester has been proposing patches | 16:17 |
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| david-lyle | I see no reason not to support this request since the patches can't break backward compatibility | 16:18 |
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| david-lyle | any other feelings to the contrary? | 16:18 |
| * david-lyle taps mic | 16:19 | |
| david-lyle | is this thing on? | 16:19 |
| jpich | Nope. We can add a separate tox job for 1.7 while the pin is needed on master | 16:19 |
| doug-fish | lol | 16:19 |
| doug-fish | no objection or concern from me | 16:19 |
| gary-smith | I think it's a good idea | 16:19 |
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| david-lyle | I didn't get a harrumph outta that guy | 16:20 |
| david-lyle | :) | 16:20 |
| ericpeterson | if a ptl asks a question in a forest and no one hears..... | 16:20 |
| david-lyle | sold | 16:20 |
| doug-fish | david-lyle: you did ask for only objections. Silence = agreement | 16:20 |
| doug-fish | that's why I like to ask my questions when nobody is looking. | 16:20 |
| * david-lyle rues his poor phrasing | 16:20 | |
| david-lyle | #topic Compiled message catalog in the repo? (amotoki) | 16:21 |
| david-lyle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1196982 | 16:21 |
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| tqtran | eric: i heard that joke before, lmao | 16:21 |
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| jpich | We want to remove them eventually but not until we provide some other way to compile them, is my understanding | 16:22 |
| jpich | packagers didn't seem happy in the comments about offloading that responsibility to them | 16:22 |
| david-lyle | jpich: I wouldn't be either | 16:22 |
| david-lyle | I'm thinking this is a Kilo issue at this point | 16:22 |
| david-lyle | unless someone is really motivated to address it | 16:23 |
| david-lyle | I'm fine with changing the approach, but worry about doing it now | 16:23 |
| jpich | Probably. I think the best/more feasible solution is still somewhat unclear too. Other projects haven't thought much about it yet because most of the translation work has been focused on Horizon so far | 16:23 |
| jpich | That sounds fair to me. | 16:24 |
| doug-fish | Yeah, this is something I'd like to see updated too, but I agree its probably not timely. | 16:24 |
| david-lyle | We'll see if amotoki is highly motivated to address it sooner, but let's defer for now | 16:26 |
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| david-lyle | #topic Open Discussion | 16:26 |
| david-lyle | I'll introduce a topic :) | 16:27 |
| david-lyle | Bug management | 16:27 |
| ericpeterson | I'm in favor of said topic | 16:28 |
| david-lyle | motion passes | 16:28 |
| david-lyle | I think we should think about changing the way bugs are managed | 16:28 |
| david-lyle | Right now the Horizon-Drivers team is the only group on Launchpad that can prioritize bugs | 16:29 |
| david-lyle | this limits who can helpfully triage and prioritize, I would like to consider adding another team to broaden this group | 16:30 |
| jpich | Previously we've given rights to people who've been helpful with bug triaging and wanted to help more, too | 16:30 |
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| david-lyle | I think nova has a specific nova-bug team | 16:30 |
| jpich | But if it's easier to manage with a separate group, why not. If people want to help we shouldn't limit them :) | 16:30 |
| david-lyle | they also have a bug tsar | 16:30 |
| jpich | How about ninjas | 16:31 |
| clu_ | all hail bug tsar | 16:31 |
| ericpeterson | is the position of bug comptroller available? | 16:31 |
| jpich | What does the person do? | 16:31 |
| david-lyle | My goal is to have someone who's more actively focused on bugs and making sure we as a project are focused on fixing high priority issues | 16:31 |
| tzumainn | lol, ninjas fix everything | 16:32 |
| david-lyle | jpich, a lot of triage and prioritization as well as status reports in team meetings | 16:32 |
| david-lyle | I honestly can't keep up and I'm afraid bugs are getting lost in the noise | 16:32 |
| david-lyle | I'd like to know what the top priority bugs are and take an active status check on them in the weekly meeting, to make sure we're addressing them | 16:34 |
| david-lyle | we have 648 bugs on Horizon | 16:34 |
| david-lyle | 300+ are in the undecided state | 16:35 |
| david-lyle | that's not a good state | 16:35 |
| david-lyle | I'm open to suggestions as well | 16:36 |
| jpich | I feel like it'd be better to have 2-3 people to avoid straining one person too much but I guess if one is working for Nova and they get a bazillion more bugs than we do, maybe my concerns are unfounded | 16:36 |
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| lcheng | sounds like a full time job :) | 16:36 |
| david-lyle | ooooh, get the PTL to do it | 16:36 |
| david-lyle | :P | 16:37 |
| clu_ | bug extermination group :) | 16:37 |
| jpich | I don't think that's a good idea :-) | 16:37 |
| david-lyle | I think there are several horizon team members that may not be core that are certainly qualified to prioritize bugs | 16:37 |
| jpich | I've been trying to keep an eye on the incoming bugs but I can't guarantee I would see and correctly assess all the things, if a couple more folks want to try to team-tsar I'd be up for it | 16:38 |
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| jpich | david-lyle: Agreed | 16:38 |
| david-lyle | maybe we can mark 300 bugs invalid and move on | 16:38 |
| * david-lyle only wishes | 16:38 | |
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| tqtran | haha | 16:39 |
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| jpich | We could run a couple of bug triaging days, they're good to get new folks involved too (you don't need a lot of previous knowledge to confirm bugs) | 16:40 |
| david-lyle | we could certainly do that too | 16:40 |
| jpich | I think the very serious bugs are surfacing correctly, though it'd certainly be good to get a proper handle on the rest too | 16:41 |
| david-lyle | If anyone outside the Horizon Drivers group is interested in helping classify and prioritize bugs, please ping me and I'll give you the tools to do so | 16:41 |
| david-lyle | jpich, agreed | 16:41 |
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| jpich | More people \o/ | 16:42 |
| david-lyle | I would just like to have a better idea of what our true bug load is | 16:42 |
| david-lyle | and make sure real issues aren't being ignored | 16:42 |
| david-lyle | and thanks jpich, hopefully we'll get some more people to help | 16:43 |
| jpich | Sounds good! | 16:43 |
| david-lyle | ok, other topics | 16:44 |
| david-lyle | ? | 16:44 |
| doug-fish | Can we clarify copyright statements? | 16:45 |
| doug-fish | Being selfish, I'm thinking of my own code that's out for review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107154/ | 16:45 |
| doug-fish | but I'm pretty sure I've seen other people discouraged from including company copyrights | 16:45 |
| david-lyle | doug-fish: my stance, and the OpenStack stance, as I understand it | 16:46 |
| david-lyle | Copyright notices are ok | 16:46 |
| david-lyle | either having them or not having them is fine | 16:46 |
| jpich | They're tough to keep up to date and people never know when it's ok to add new ones (how many % of the file should be changed? etc) | 16:46 |
| david-lyle | there are pluses and minuses to both sides and we landed smack in the middle and have a hedgy answer | 16:47 |
| crobertsrh | I was discouraged from doing so for all of the Sahara merge files. I think it was based on a mailing list note from awhile back. | 16:47 |
| jpich | I favour not having them but wouldn't -1 on it | 16:47 |
| jpich | there definitely was mailing list discussions about it | 16:47 |
| david-lyle | crobertsrh: the mailing list thread ends decidedly undecided | 16:47 |
| jpich | I don't think it ever translated to a clear answer though, especially since we can just remove copyrights from old files | 16:47 |
| tmazur | One more question: should we remove all copyrights from existing code? | 16:48 |
| jpich | so we'll be stuck with some of this and some of that for a while... | 16:48 |
| jpich | tmazur: We can't legally do that, is my understanding | 16:48 |
| ericpeterson | I don't think removing is ok.... unless the orig author or company rep says its ok | 16:48 |
| tmazur | If no, why forbid adding new ones? | 16:48 |
| david-lyle | tmazur: you cannot remove a copyright notice | 16:48 |
| david-lyle | tmazur we can't really | 16:48 |
| ericpeterson | no one is forbiding the addition of new ones | 16:49 |
| jpich | Because they're not very useful, they're not a true reflection of who has worked on a file, they're redundant with the (more precise) git history | 16:49 |
| tmazur | david-lyle, agreed. So it seems logical to let others add their own copyrights. | 16:49 |
| david-lyle | to be fair, companies invest a lot of money sponsoring work in OpenStack, if they get a copyright notice in the header of the file, so be it | 16:49 |
| doug-fish | :-) | 16:49 |
| doug-fish | I have no background in copyright law. I've included the statement in my code only because I was advised to do so. | 16:50 |
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| david-lyle | jpich, the counter argument is that it's hard to track what company had the right to license the code in the first place from just git | 16:50 |
| jpich | There's some information on the current state of things there: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/LegalIssuesFAQ#Copyright_Headers ("decidedly undecided"/unclear seems to be the correct assessment) | 16:50 |
| david-lyle | company affiliation is not well tracked in git | 16:50 |
| ericpeterson | license is separate from Copyright too | 16:51 |
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| gary-smith | i've seen a change which added copyrights to files undergoing only trivial changes. Is there some threshold guideline? | 16:52 |
| david-lyle | gary-smith: significant | 16:52 |
| jpich | gary-smith: That's the kind of anguish that not having copyright headers helps absolve :-) | 16:53 |
| ericpeterson | (non trivial) | 16:53 |
| doug-fish | I've been advised the copyright should be added for new files or when >50 lines have been added. You should probably consult with your legal people to see how they feel about it. | 16:53 |
| david-lyle | my personal opinion is once there is a copyright in the file, adding a new one is pointless | 16:53 |
| jpich | That makes them even less accurate/useful | 16:54 |
| jpich | I guess the answer to the initial statement is that there's no clarification to offer :-) | 16:54 |
| tqtran | question: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109164/ not sure if we have a place that describe features, but compound sorting is something not everyone is aware of. should we have a new docs for this? | 16:54 |
| doug-fish | tqtran: you mean like a user's guide for Horizon? | 16:55 |
| tsufiev | jpich, the whole copyright thing seems to me not very compatible with collaborative development :) | 16:56 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev, jpich, I won't argue that point, but we only have the bed we're in | 16:57 |
| tqtran | doug: sort of... we have guides, but nothing for describing user features that we have that arent advertised | 16:57 |
| jpich | That might be something to contribute to the general docs rather than developer docs | 16:58 |
| tqtran | ignore my bad grammar... | 16:58 |
| david-lyle | jpich: +1 | 16:58 |
| jpich | We probably should help with fleshing it out in general, http://docs.openstack.org/user-guide/content/ch_dashboard.html | 16:58 |
| jpich | Maybe start with adding a tips & tricks section for little known, helpful shortcuts etc :) For this particular item (well discovered!) | 16:59 |
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| pballand | hi guys - seems like horizon is still wrapping up | 17:02 |
| sarob | morning y'all! | 17:02 |
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| jpich | #endmeeting | 17:02 |
| skn_ | sarob: Hi Sean | 17:02 |
| jpich | Hm I don't remember the command. david-lyle? | 17:02 |
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| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 17:03 |
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| gary-smith | you didn't say pretty please | 17:03 |
| david-lyle | interesting | 17:03 |
| pballand | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 17:03 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
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| david-lyle | I think the bot died in the middle of the last meeting and rejoined | 17:03 |
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| pballand | poor bot | 17:04 |
| pballand | :) | 17:04 |
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| arosen | Hi | 17:04 |
| sarob | hi | 17:04 |
| pballand | good morning/afternoon/evening everyone | 17:04 |
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| skn_ | Hey Guys | 17:04 |
| pballand | a fair amount of code went in last week | 17:05 |
| rajdeep | hi | 17:05 |
| pballand | lets start off with some status updates | 17:05 |
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| pballand | arosen: I think you pushed the most code, would you mind going first? | 17:05 |
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| arosen | pballand: sure! | 17:06 |
| arosen | So we have patches merged into the tree now that add support for keystone and openstack's policy.json (which is used to control which api calls can be called by specific openstack users). | 17:07 |
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| arosen | I've added CI support for most of the API's congress exposes right now so that should handle the keystone integration part so one doesn't have to pass in the auth token themselves. | 17:08 |
| arosen | Though this is still WIP'ish | 17:08 |
| arosen | We also have devstack support in tree which should help setting up congress+keystone and the rest of the openstack bits. | 17:08 |
| pballand | CI = CLI? | 17:08 |
| arosen | *CLI | 17:08 |
| arosen | Lastly, i've made good progress getting CI up and running for congress. Hopefully have something voting by the end of the week. | 17:09 |
| arosen | that's all from me. | 17:09 |
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| pballand | awesome, thanks! | 17:09 |
| pballand | on the CLI - is there code ready for review? | 17:10 |
| arosen | pballand: Here's the patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104375/ but i have yet to add tests | 17:10 |
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| arosen | So i'd probably wait to avoid it for now unless someone wants to start reviewing it. | 17:10 |
| pballand | makes sense | 17:11 |
| pballand | it would be helpful to update the wiki to point to the python client repo | 17:11 |
| arosen | pballand: k will do | 17:12 |
| pballand | thanks | 17:12 |
| pballand | who would like to go next? | 17:12 |
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| pballand | skn_: any updates on the IDS integration? | 17:12 |
| skn__ | Sure! I can go next | 17:12 |
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| skn__ | I have got the Bro up and running with OpenStack | 17:13 |
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| skn__ | I am trying out some configurations now | 17:13 |
| skn__ | In the meantime, I am writing up the IDS data source driver spec for Congress | 17:14 |
| skn__ | I'll try to check the spec in by tomorrow so that we can get some reviews/feedbacks | 17:14 |
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| pballand | sounds good - looking forward to taking a peek | 17:15 |
| skn__ | Yeah, now I have the Bro working on a single node devstack, and I am trying to have it in a multi-node set up | 17:16 |
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| pballand | thanks skn__ anything else? | 17:17 |
| skn__ | No, that's all | 17:17 |
| skn__ | unless you guys have any questions | 17:17 |
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| skn__ | After we have the spec, I'll work on the driver code | 17:18 |
| pballand | I think we’ll have more to discuss once people have a chance to review the spec | 17:18 |
| skn__ | Yes | 17:18 |
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| pballand | sarob: are you around? | 17:18 |
| pballand | sarob seems to be away; rajdeep, do you have any updates? | 17:19 |
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| pballand | thinrichs1: you there? | 17:20 |
| thinrichs1 | yep. | 17:21 |
| thinrichs1 | I made an editing pass over the rst docs. Trying to get them in shape for the alpha release. | 17:21 |
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| thinrichs1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111416/ | 17:21 |
| skn__ | I see sarob in the list | 17:21 |
| thinrichs1 | I'm told it's a bit hard to read in gerrit b/c lines are > 80 chars. I'll try to fix that. | 17:22 |
| thinrichs1 | I also sent around a proposal for renovating the data sources, to solve the problems with wide tables that I mentioned last week. | 17:22 |
| thinrichs1 | http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg31030.html | 17:22 |
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| thinrichs1 | I'm swayed by the argument that we won't always be able to eliminate wide tables, so we'll need to make it easy to write policy over them.support wide tables | 17:23 |
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| pballand | that makes sense to me | 17:24 |
| thinrichs1 | We've had a couple of people weigh in, but if anyone else wants to pipe up, that'd be good. | 17:24 |
| thinrichs1 | I've also been trying to clean house so we can formally release the alpha. | 17:25 |
| rajdeep | hi i was reviewing the docs CL sent by tim | 17:25 |
| thinrichs1 | That's it for me. | 17:25 |
| pballand | thanks thinrichs1 | 17:25 |
| pballand | did I miss anyone? | 17:25 |
| rajdeep | some of the commands like starting the server and running unit test cases seem to be failing | 17:25 |
| pballand | rajdeep: can you be more specific? | 17:26 |
| rajdeep | pballand see the comments https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111416/1/README.rst | 17:27 |
| rajdeep | tox -e py27 fails | 17:27 |
| skn__ | I agree with this too, to somehow make it easy to write policies over wide tables | 17:27 |
| rajdeep | so does sudo python setup.py develop | 17:27 |
| rajdeep | am i missing something? | 17:28 |
| pballand | rajdeep: it seems like some requirements are missing | 17:28 |
| pballand | a patch went in to sync the requirements with upstream projects, it’s possible an error was in there | 17:29 |
| rajdeep | ok. | 17:29 |
| thinrichs1 | It's hard to ensure we are listing all the packages, since each distro has a different set installed. | 17:29 |
| thinrichs1 | This is really useful info. We don't want users running into these problems. | 17:30 |
| thinrichs1 | rajdeep: What OS/distro were you using? | 17:30 |
| thinrichs1 | The setup instructions worked for me on a Mac. I figured they'd work on any Linux too. But I guess I was wrong. | 17:30 |
| rajdeep | ubuntu 12.04 | 17:31 |
| rajdeep | with python 2.7 | 17:31 |
| pballand | the code has been working on my ubuntu box, but I may have some packages sitting around | 17:31 |
| pballand | I’ll try from a fresh install | 17:31 |
| sarob | im back, sorry about that | 17:31 |
| thinrichs1 | rajdeep: with devstack installed or Not? | 17:32 |
| rajdeep | shall i try by cleaning .tox directory | 17:32 |
| rajdeep | no devstack | 17:32 |
| pballand | rm -rf .tox is always good place to start | 17:32 |
| rajdeep | pure congress setup | 17:32 |
| rajdeep | ok wil try that and revert | 17:32 |
| rajdeep | it will be good to have a getting started guide | 17:32 |
| rajdeep | and a trouble shooting readme as well | 17:33 |
| thinrichs1 | The README was intended to be a getting-started guide. | 17:33 |
| thinrichs1 | The point of the setup script was to install all the packages, so it should just work. | 17:33 |
| thinrichs1 | I think the goal is not more docs, but to make our setup script work. | 17:34 |
| rajdeep | ok, i understand but people will invariable have problems | 17:34 |
| pballand | thinrichs1: that’s right - the setup should handle the basic requirements, so if that doesn’t work, we need to fix it | 17:35 |
| rajdeep | specially with all permutations of OS + Python version | 17:35 |
| pballand | let’s follow up on this in #congress or email | 17:35 |
| pballand | sarob: do you have any updates on the summit or other? | 17:35 |
| sarob | pballand: im working on locking down a 30 person room in vmware PA | 17:36 |
| sarob | pballand: we will be part of the operators summit as we discussed before | 17:37 |
| pballand | sarob: any details on the schedule? | 17:37 |
| sarob | pballand: i am reviewing the congress-spec infra config | 17:37 |
| sarob | pballand: which one? | 17:37 |
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| pballand | the operator summit - let’s just sync offline | 17:38 |
| skn__ | sarob, peter: Let me know you need any help in the slides for the operator's summit | 17:38 |
| sarob | pballand: sure, | 17:38 |
| pballand | skn__: thanks, are you planning on attending? | 17:38 |
| skn__ | Nope | 17:39 |
| skn__ | But I'll be in the policy summit | 17:39 |
| skn__ | Unless you guys need me to present anything | 17:39 |
| sarob | pballand: demo and slides for the operators summit would be goodness to link off the congress wiki | 17:40 |
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| pballand | sarob, skn__ : I have a deck that I am working on for the operator’s summit | 17:40 |
| sarob | pballand, skn__: lets discuss on congress channel | 17:41 |
| pballand | it’s in pretty good shape | 17:41 |
| pballand | perfect | 17:41 |
| sarob | pballand: ;) | 17:41 |
| skn__ | pballand, sarob: Oh, that's great. Yes | 17:41 |
| pballand | anyone else have updates, or blockers to discuss? | 17:42 |
| pballand | #topic open discussion | 17:43 |
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| pballand | if you haven’t voted on talks for the Paris summit, now is the time to do so | 17:44 |
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| skn__ | sarob: Do we have a slightly more detailed agenda for the policy summit | 17:44 |
| pballand | if you haven’t already, please vote for the congress session: https://www.openstack.org/vote-paris/Presentation/congress-policy-as-a-service | 17:45 |
| sarob | skn__: not more than pballand suggested yet | 17:45 |
| pballand | martin also mentions congress in his abstract: https://www.openstack.org/vote-paris/Presentation/policy-and-security-in-the-goldilocks-zone | 17:45 |
| sarob | skn__: once I have the room locked down, I plan on pushing the discussion on content through ml, blog, and tweets | 17:46 |
| skn__ | Great! | 17:46 |
| pballand | sarob: I can help lock down the room - let’s move on this today | 17:46 |
| sarob | pballand: excellent | 17:47 |
| pballand | I’m really looking foreword to all of the events we have coming up, and hope everyone can make at least one of them | 17:47 |
| pballand | thanks for making time for the meeting this week, we’ll continue as usual in #congress | 17:48 |
| pballand | #endmeeting | 17:48 |
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| skn__ | Thanks all | 17:48 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 5 17:48:26 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:48 |
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| briancurtin | #startmeeting python-openstacksdk | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 5 19:00:25 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is briancurtin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'python_openstacksdk' | 19:00 |
| terrylhowe | Terry Howe, HP | 19:00 |
| briancurtin | if you're here for the python-openstacksdk meeting, say hi | 19:00 |
| stevelle | Steve Lewis, Rackspace | 19:00 |
| briancurtin | Brian Curtin, Rackspace | 19:00 |
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| dtroyer | Dean Troyer, Nebula | 19:01 |
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| briancurtin | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/PythonOpenStackSDK#Agenda_for_2014-08-05_1900_UTC - somewhat of an agenda | 19:01 |
| briancurtin | #topic Current Neutron reviews from Terry | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Current Neutron reviews from Terry (Meeting topic: python-openstacksdk)" | 19:02 | |
| briancurtin | so Terry has a million reviews out there for the openstack.network resources. i've gone through most of them and they seem fine, the only real thing i have is that some of the properties should be using the type paramter | 19:02 |
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| briancurtin | Terry and I talked briefly earlier and i'm wondering if anyone else is ok with mostly approving these reviews as-is and perfecting the type situation later (with bugs submitted for the ones that need to be changed) | 19:03 |
| terrylhowe | most of them are just attributes, neutron has a pretty simple api. I think security group is the only tricky one because it as a security group rule. | 19:05 |
| jamielennox | example of where type is needed? | 19:05 |
| terrylhowe | it would be good to get extra eyes on that one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111047/ | 19:06 |
| dtroyer | I'm neutral on committing them as-is. This is one of the reasons I usually prefer to push a couple of things all the way through to establish these details, then iterate on the rest of the objects. | 19:06 |
| terrylhowe | I did the network through slow, then all the rest | 19:06 |
| briancurtin | jamielennox: an example i think is /quotas, where the values coming in should all be ints. i think we should enforce that since it's documented that they're ints and they do come back as ints | 19:07 |
| briancurtin | they're going to be ints right now regardless, they're just left unchecked. i dont feel super strongly about it, but we do have that type parameter in there | 19:08 |
| jamielennox | i'm fine with letting that slip through for now, if it's being returned correctly anyway | 19:08 |
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| jamielennox | briancurtin: at some point later we will need to decide what level of spec enforcement we do, the current clients say that whatever the server returns is fine and whether we enforce the spec more strictly | 19:09 |
| dtroyer | jamielennox: jon postel had it right: be liberal in what you accept and strict in what you send | 19:10 |
| dtroyer | maybe type checking on values coming from the server are (eventually) warnings? | 19:11 |
| briancurtin | i like both of those messages | 19:11 |
| terrylhowe | +1 | 19:11 |
| jamielennox | dtroyer: from memory we try to actually cast to the types, but we can always allow it to fail and warn | 19:12 |
| briancurtin | so back to the original thing quickly - i'm going to continue +2'ing terry's reviews unless they're including incorrectly named properties or something, and then we can figure out the strictness later | 19:12 |
| jamielennox | briancurtin: ++ | 19:12 |
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| dtroyer | +1 | 19:12 |
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| briancurtin | #topic swift account/container | 19:14 |
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| terrylhowe | I haven’t fully reviewed it, but I put in some comments before the meeting | 19:14 |
| terrylhowe | I still think we could just not have an account resource | 19:15 |
| briancurtin | yeah i'm going to see what it looks like to drop it | 19:15 |
| briancurtin | it felt right with the previous (but odd) implementation. now *this* seems odd | 19:16 |
| briancurtin | i kind of left it beacuse it's account-wide metadata, but it could just be on the container class | 19:16 |
| dtroyer | FWIW when doing these bits in OSC I stole the methods (process) but not the naming | 19:16 |
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| terrylhowe | it would be nice to have a way to capture the headers and the body for a get | 19:17 |
| terrylhowe | I’m not sure how to do taht | 19:17 |
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| briancurtin | terrylhowe: i had something hacked up when i first added HEAD to the Resource class through a param to the get calls | 19:18 |
| jamielennox | the existing one returns the decoded body and the received message as a tuple, maybe we have to do that as well | 19:18 |
| jamielennox | s/existing one/current clients | 19:19 |
| jamielennox | had thought we didn't need that, but at very least i can see status code being needed | 19:19 |
| terrylhowe | I don’t know if anyone other than swift will need that | 19:19 |
| briancurtin | jamielennox: so you always get head+body then? | 19:19 |
| terrylhowe | that being header and body | 19:20 |
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| jamielennox | you get back the requests.Response and the decoded JSON as a dict | 19:20 |
| briancurtin | terrylhowe: yep, i believe it's just swift that would need this | 19:21 |
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| jamielennox | we could customize the dict object that is returned from a request such that it has a status_code or headers parameter - but at that point is it better than just returning the requests.Response? | 19:23 |
| briancurtin | probably not | 19:24 |
| dtroyer | Making the return look as much like the rest of the APIs is a win | 19:24 |
| dtroyer | Swift is a special snowflake in a lot of ways but the fresh SDK is an opportunity to hide that | 19:25 |
| terrylhowe | yeh, there is a lot of potential to make things easier for the user | 19:26 |
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| briancurtin | does that come back to an extra parameter on the Resource.get* calls to add in header data, then handling that inside the various Swift resources? | 19:31 |
| briancurtin | or am i a level off? | 19:31 |
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| terrylhowe | Yeh, either a parameter or a different method | 19:32 |
| briancurtin | i'll see if i can do it with a parameter. adding another method is going to end up making us duplicate things | 19:34 |
| terrylhowe | yep | 19:34 |
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| briancurtin | i haven't done anything to split out those lower level things, so i'll try to take care of that around the same time | 19:35 |
| briancurtin | #topic automating Resource class creation | 19:35 |
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| briancurtin | terrylhowe: i think you mentioned a script that had created some or all of those neutron classes, right? | 19:36 |
| terrylhowe | I don’t know if anyone would want to use my bash script, it is probably hard to follow | 19:36 |
| terrylhowe | https://github.com/TerryHowe/pogo/tree/master/sdkgen | 19:37 |
| terrylhowe | is where I have been dumping that stuff though. it is pretty much just some throw away code | 19:37 |
| terrylhowe | it has been handy for what I’ve been doing though | 19:37 |
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| briancurtin | at least useful to write up the skeletons | 19:38 |
| terrylhowe | It is just put the sdkgen directory in the sdk project and run: | 19:39 |
| terrylhowe | ./sdkgen/t.sh sdkgen/database/v1.0/instance | 19:39 |
| terrylhowe | for example | 19:39 |
| terrylhowe | it creates a branch and creates a resource and test file | 19:39 |
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| briancurtin | cool. i'll try it out for whatever i get into next | 19:41 |
| terrylhowe | feel free to ask me questions if you try it | 19:41 |
| briancurtin | will do | 19:41 |
| briancurtin | anything else to cover while we're here? | 19:42 |
| terrylhowe | nothing here | 19:43 |
| jamielennox | i'm good | 19:44 |
| dtroyer | nope | 19:44 |
| briancurtin | cool. thanks everyone! | 19:44 |
| briancurtin | #endmeeting | 19:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 5 19:45:04 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2014/python_openstacksdk.2014-08-05-19.00.html | 19:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2014/python_openstacksdk.2014-08-05-19.00.txt | 19:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2014/python_openstacksdk.2014-08-05-19.00.log.html | 19:45 |
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