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| kgriffs | beep | 14:59 |
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| kgriffs | boop | 14:59 |
| malini | baamm | 15:00 |
| kgriffs | flaper87|afk: come back here! | 15:00 |
| vkmc | kaboom! | 15:00 |
| vkmc | (too much?) | 15:01 |
| malini | y'day nytimes travel had an article on Lake Como..somebody must be vacationing | 15:01 |
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| kgriffs | hmmm | 15:01 |
| kgriffs | #startmeeting zaqar | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 11 15:02:39 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kgriffs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zaqar)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zaqar' | 15:02 |
| malini | o/ | 15:02 |
| kgriffs | o/ | 15:02 |
| kgriffs | who else is around? | 15:03 |
| vkmc | o/ | 15:03 |
| prashanthr_ | kgriffs: o/ | 15:03 |
| kgriffs | ok, now that we know who the *real* team members are... | 15:04 |
| kgriffs | ;) | 15:04 |
| malini | :D | 15:04 |
| kgriffs | I just glanced at the agenda - didn't look like flaper87 had updated it (for shame!) | 15:05 |
| kgriffs | so... | 15:05 |
| kgriffs | I'm going to shoot from the hip here | 15:05 |
| kgriffs | #topic docs | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "docs (Meeting topic: zaqar)" | 15:05 | |
| kgriffs | vkmc: how goes the battle? | 15:05 |
| * kgriffs wishes everyone to remember the pen is mightier than the sword | 15:05 | |
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| vkmc | kgriffs, is it going great, right now there are some patchs waiting for reviews | 15:07 |
| kgriffs | for my part, I saw Catherine commented on my patch - I will get those fixed right after this | 15:07 |
| vkmc | I think the dev guide is looking good :) | 15:07 |
| vkmc | I also started working on the configuration docs | 15:07 |
| kgriffs | great. thanks everyone who has been helping with docs! | 15:07 |
| kgriffs | I will keep working on them this week along with vkmc. Love to get some more help. | 15:08 |
| vkmc | Oz is giving me a hand with that... I asked him some tips on how to tune Zaqar for different configurations so we provide some useful examples | 15:08 |
| kgriffs | cool. we owe him some poptartz | 15:09 |
| vkmc | yeah :D | 15:09 |
| malini | he is a wizard..can make his own ;) | 15:09 |
| * kgriffs thinks that is an awesome super power to have | 15:09 | |
| kgriffs | btw, I spoke with a Heat core reviewer last friday. I'll share more about that later, but he did mention it wasn't clear how to do point-to-point RPC-style communication. | 15:10 |
| kgriffs | he didn't realize queues are duplex by default, and once I explained how that worked and what the echo param was, he was cool. so anyway, I'd like to help write up some how-to's/tutorials for different things like that | 15:11 |
| kgriffs | malini: we can base it off of cloud backup and RSE | 15:12 |
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| malini | kgriffs: does tht need to go into user guide? | 15:12 |
| vkmc | +1 malini | 15:13 |
| kgriffs | yeah | 15:13 |
| kgriffs | should it also be in the dev guide? | 15:13 |
| vkmc | hm I don't think so... it's about using Zaqar, not developing it | 15:13 |
| kgriffs | ok | 15:13 |
| kgriffs | I'm looking at your outline | 15:14 |
| malini | vkmc: tht's what I think too | 15:14 |
| kgriffs | where would be a good place to walk the user through implementing 3-4 messaging patterns with Zaqar? | 15:14 |
| malini | let's chk what other projects have done | 15:15 |
| vkmc | kgriffs, what do you mean with implementing a message pattern? | 15:15 |
| kgriffs | vkmc: like | 15:15 |
| kgriffs | here is how you would do point-to-point, and how you would get a response back on the same queue | 15:15 |
| kgriffs | "suppose i wanted to communicate with a thing over there in this particular way... here are the steps to do that" | 15:16 |
| kgriffs | does that make sense? | 15:16 |
| vkmc | yeah it does | 15:17 |
| malini | do we already talk abt pub-sub, producer-consumer somewhere? | 15:17 |
| vkmc | IMO it's more related to the deployment rather than the development | 15:17 |
| malini | hmmm..now I think its a develpment thing | 15:18 |
| kgriffs | wait... | 15:18 |
| vkmc | (maybe I misunderstood) | 15:18 |
| kgriffs | yeah | 15:18 |
| kgriffs | so this is how an application developer would use marconi to connect components of their distributed system | 15:18 |
| kgriffs | like, how would heat use Zaqar to talk to 3rd-party config management tools? | 15:19 |
| AAzza | for me it is user thing, and quite important | 15:19 |
| AAzza | wouldn't mind to read it by myself) | 15:19 |
| malini | But this is more abt how you wud write your application to use queues in a specific way | 15:19 |
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| prashanthr_ | kgriffs: I feel that must be very close to the introduction as that would help understand if it is relevant to them immediately. | 15:20 |
| kgriffs | basically, we need to take this and turn it into a more how-to style with curl examples and stuff: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Use_Cases_(Marconi) | 15:20 |
| kgriffs | prashanthr_: good thought. It would be nice to summarize some of the things you can do with Zaqar in the intro in the user guide, maybe also dev guide? | 15:20 |
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| prashanthr_ | kgriffs: Yes most of the times we choose a software / third party library if the use case kind of matches our need :) | 15:21 |
| vkmc | is true that is about how would you write your application, but still you are *using* Zaqar | 15:21 |
| kgriffs | I think it does belong in the user guide for the most part | 15:22 |
| vkmc | although yeah... is confusing because it's for a developer user | 15:23 |
| malini | :D | 15:23 |
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| kgriffs | right. developer guide is for contributors to the project, right? | 15:24 |
| kgriffs | while user guide is for app developers building on top of openstack components? | 15:24 |
| vkmc | but.. if they are going to use Zaqar as a black box, then I think it's for the user guide | 15:24 |
| vkmc | exactly | 15:24 |
| prashanthr_ | ahh okay. | 15:24 |
| kgriffs | ok. Can you add that to the outline somewhere? It isn't a grad requirement, so we can wait and do it last | 15:24 |
| kgriffs | but I don't want to forget | 15:24 |
| vkmc | here is an example of user guide http://docs.openstack.org/api/openstack-compute/2/content/, Nova's user guide | 15:25 |
| vkmc | and it's conformed by general API information, API operations and extensions | 15:25 |
| vkmc | and I'd add, use cases | 15:25 |
| vkmc | to include how to implement a message pattern using Zaqar | 15:26 |
| vkmc | would that work? | 15:26 |
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| kgriffs | hmm, the nova guide looks pretty bare - more like a reference. but I don't know of any other place to document how-to's since the dev guide is for contributors, not end users | 15:27 |
| vkmc | yeah | 15:28 |
| kgriffs | maybe under "examples" | 15:29 |
| kgriffs | swift has some stuff | 15:29 |
| kgriffs | http://docs.openstack.org/api/openstack-object-storage/1.0/content/examples.html | 15:29 |
| vkmc | well, we could ask the doc team to give us some feedback about that :) | 15:29 |
| kgriffs | like, showing how to page through results | 15:29 |
| kgriffs | that looks closer to what we were talking about | 15:29 |
| kgriffs | anyway, yeah I guess we could ask | 15:30 |
| kgriffs | ok, moving on? | 15:31 |
| malini | yes! | 15:32 |
| vkmc | we can add it to the user guide outline and ask when the moment comes, but I think it is ok :) | 15:32 |
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| kgriffs | kk | 15:33 |
| kgriffs | thanks | 15:33 |
| vkmc | np | 15:33 |
| kgriffs | #topic benchmark results | 15:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "benchmark results (Meeting topic: zaqar)" | 15:33 | |
| kgriffs | so... sriram isn't here i guess | 15:34 |
| kgriffs | i was hoping to do an initial test today | 15:34 |
| kgriffs | I've been working on a bare metal cluster as well | 15:35 |
| kgriffs | so we can compare against vms and also should make tests a little more consistent because we won't have noisy neighbor | 15:35 |
| kgriffs | I hope to have that cluster set up by wed | 15:35 |
| kgriffs | malini: are you in the office today? | 15:35 |
| malini | yes | 15:35 |
| kgriffs | is sriram around? | 15:36 |
| malini | he is busy on another high priority stuff..But will chk with him | 15:36 |
| kgriffs | ok. I can probably run the tests but I need the info on the statsd dashboard... URL and login if he could email me | 15:37 |
| malini | I'll ping him for tht | 15:38 |
| kgriffs | kk, thanks! | 15:38 |
| kgriffs | ok, looking at other graduation work items... | 15:38 |
| kgriffs | #topic redis | 15:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "redis (Meeting topic: zaqar)" | 15:38 | |
| kgriffs | prashanthr_: I noticed you submitted a new patchset? | 15:39 |
| prashanthr_ | kgriffs: Yes i did submit one today | 15:39 |
| prashanthr_ | was able to pass all unit tests | 15:39 |
| prashanthr_ | on py27 and py33 | 15:39 |
| prashanthr_ | along with all the comments on the previous patchset | 15:39 |
| prashanthr_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97178/14 | 15:40 |
| AAzza | prashanthr_: i'm reviewing it now, have some concens about string/bytes, especially in claims controller. | 15:41 |
| kgriffs | awesome, thanks! | 15:41 |
| kgriffs | let's all help review | 15:41 |
| prashanthr_ | AAzza : Sure. Waiting for comments :) | 15:41 |
| prashanthr_ | thank you kgriffs. I have also created a draft of the design document | 15:42 |
| prashanthr_ | we were speaking about last week | 15:42 |
| prashanthr_ | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Redis_Storage_Driver_Design_(Zaqar) | 15:42 |
| AAzza | prashanthr_: honestly don't know yet how to do it good, but will play with code and probably tomorrow report about resutls :) | 15:42 |
| prashanthr_ | AAzza: Sure. | 15:43 |
| kgriffs | prashanthr_: ah, cool. looks like a good start to the doc | 15:43 |
| kgriffs | that will be super helpful... we will port it to the dev/contributor guide eventually I imagine | 15:44 |
| kgriffs | vkmc: ^^ | 15:44 |
| kgriffs | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Redis_Storage_Driver_Design_(Zaqar) | 15:44 |
| vkmc | +1 | 15:44 |
| prashanthr_ | kgriffs: Sure. that would be useful | 15:44 |
| malini | kgriffs: u should have the env info from sriram now | 15:44 |
| kgriffs | malini: thanks! | 15:44 |
| kgriffs | ok, prashanthr_ anything else? | 15:44 |
| prashanthr_ | kgriffs: Nope. that's all from my side. | 15:45 |
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| kgriffs | cool, thanks a ton! I know this has been a lot of work. hopefully it's been fun too. :) | 15:45 |
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| prashanthr_ | kgriffs: Nope. that's all from my side. | 15:45 |
| kgriffs | ok | 15:45 |
| kgriffs | vkmc, malini: can you help review prashanthr_'s patch? | 15:45 |
| malini | sure | 15:46 |
| kgriffs | thanks - it is a big one, so if you don't have time to look at all of it, claims hasn't seen a lot of eyes yet afaik | 15:46 |
| prashanthr_ | kgriffs: True. | 15:47 |
| vkmc | of course | 15:47 |
| kgriffs | thanks! | 15:48 |
| kgriffs | ok, moving on | 15:48 |
| kgriffs | #topic heat feedback | 15:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "heat feedback (Meeting topic: zaqar)" | 15:48 | |
| kgriffs | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/marconi-scratch | 15:49 |
| kgriffs | I put some notes there | 15:49 |
| kgriffs | So, they have a couple important use cases, and will have to basically recreate Zaqar to do them; obviously, they would rather use Zaqar but they aren't going to wait forever for us to graduate | 15:49 |
| kgriffs | do those use cases make sense? it is hard to convey them via text | 15:50 |
| malini | the second one does | 15:52 |
| malini | is the first dependent on us implementing notifications? | 15:52 |
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| kgriffs | no, actually | 15:53 |
| kgriffs | they could publish an event to a queue and the third-party tool could just slurp from Zaqar API | 15:54 |
| kgriffs | (anyway, that is what I understood from Randall) | 15:54 |
| malini | cool..thx! | 15:54 |
| kgriffs | ok | 15:55 |
| kgriffs | training | 15:55 |
| kgriffs | we touched on that already | 15:55 |
| kgriffs | may be good to do some screencasts or something | 15:56 |
| kgriffs | in addition to continuing to add to the docs | 15:56 |
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| kgriffs | performance | 15:56 |
| kgriffs | that was suprising | 15:56 |
| kgriffs | there seems to be some FUD going around on performance | 15:57 |
| kgriffs | I don't know if someone else benchmarked and didn't tell us but started spreading rumors, or it is just a few people speculating | 15:57 |
| kgriffs | which means we need to get the "truth" out there ASAP | 15:57 |
| kgriffs | make sense? | 15:57 |
| kgriffs | but in doing that... | 15:57 |
| kgriffs | we need to be careful that people aren't expecting zeromq performance or something | 15:58 |
| kgriffs | there are tons of use cases that work great at SQS performance levels | 15:59 |
| kgriffs | finally, positioning... don't have time to touch on this, but randall was saying that the way we talk about Zaqar is important - when we say "messaging" they think oslo.messaging, AMQP, etc. | 16:00 |
| kgriffs | which is a different set of use cases/goals from Zaqar | 16:00 |
| kgriffs | he suggested talking more about "events" and such... I'm still thinking through that | 16:00 |
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| kgriffs | ok folks, looks like we are out of time | 16:02 |
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| kgriffs | #topic endmeeting | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "endmeeting (Meeting topic: zaqar)" | 16:02 | |
| kgriffs | I will try to move the heat feedback to the graduation pad | 16:03 |
| kgriffs | #endmeeting | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:03 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 11 16:03:21 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2014/zaqar.2014-08-11-15.02.html | 16:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2014/zaqar.2014-08-11-15.02.txt | 16:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2014/zaqar.2014-08-11-15.02.log.html | 16:03 |
| kgriffs | thanks! | 16:03 |
| kgriffs | someone get the minutes? | 16:03 |
| vkmc | thanks! | 16:04 |
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| vkmc | I can do that kgriffs | 16:04 |
| prashanthr_ | thanks all :) | 16:04 |
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