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| david-lyle | #startmeeting Horizon | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 12 16:01:29 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 16:01 |
| david-lyle | Hello everyone | 16:01 |
| jgravel_ | hello | 16:01 |
| gary-smith_ | hi | 16:01 |
| rdopieralski | hi | 16:01 |
| tmazur | hello o/ | 16:01 |
| lblanchard | hi all | 16:01 |
| woodm1979 | Hello | 16:01 |
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| tsufiev | hi | 16:02 |
| _crobertsrh | hello/ | 16:02 |
| TravT | o/ | 16:02 |
| jpich | Hello | 16:02 |
| johnma | Hi | 16:02 |
| amotoki | hi | 16:02 |
| david-lyle | So today is feature proposal freeze for Horizon in Juno | 16:02 |
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| david-lyle | I've moved ours ahead of the main OpenStack deadline because we already have so many items in flight and review | 16:03 |
| lcheng | hello | 16:03 |
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| david-lyle | adding more will just make landing things more difficult | 16:03 |
| david-lyle | of course, as with all things, there is an exception process but you request would have to be, well, exceptional :) | 16:04 |
| jpich | Perhaps we should notify the dev list as well? | 16:04 |
| david-lyle | ah yes the mailing list, sure | 16:04 |
| david-lyle | will do | 16:05 |
| jpich | Cool! | 16:05 |
| david-lyle | before we jump into the agenda, I just want to look at j-3 status | 16:05 |
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| david-lyle | #link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/juno-3 | 16:05 |
| david-lyle | blueprints: 4 Unknown, 11 Started, 6 Slow progress, 7 Good progress, 28 Needs Code Review, 7 Implemented | 16:06 |
| david-lyle | still cleaning up items | 16:06 |
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| david-lyle | there are a few at the top I'd like to get a better status on | 16:06 |
| david-lyle | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/remove-javascript-bundling | 16:06 |
| david-lyle | rdopieralski: how are you feeling about this | 16:07 |
| nlahouti | how can we change the delivery status? | 16:07 |
| david-lyle | I know we were set back a bit with the plugin update | 16:07 |
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| rdopieralski | david-lyle: I had to change the versions of the xstatic packages several times already, and each time the change has to go through global-requirements, which makes it slow. I hope that the current change is the last one required, and that it will get merged soon, but I have no guarantees. | 16:08 |
| rdopieralski | david-lyle: so basically I'm waiting for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113184/ to be merged | 16:08 |
| david-lyle | rdopieralski: understood, I feel like we can land this | 16:09 |
| rdopieralski | david-lyle: we will need to re-update the bootstrap wizard plugin after that, but that can hopefully be done in a separate patch | 16:09 |
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| rdopieralski | david-lyle: also, the bootstrap will be unbundled in a separate patch | 16:10 |
| david-lyle | we have ~3 weeks | 16:10 |
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| david-lyle | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/launch-instance-ux-enhancement | 16:11 |
| david-lyle | seems to have stalled | 16:11 |
| david-lyle | anyone have an update or should I look to move to Kilo? | 16:11 |
| david-lyle | the patch is marked WIP | 16:11 |
| david-lyle | if we think high priority items aren't going to land, it's better to move them out earlier | 16:12 |
| rdopieralski | MaxV: do you know? | 16:12 |
| MaxV | rdopieralski, david-lyle: currently working on it with UX team | 16:12 |
| MaxV | but it is slow progress | 16:13 |
| rdopieralski | MaxV: what are the chances of finishing it on time> | 16:14 |
| rdopieralski | ? | 16:14 |
| MaxV | rdopieralski: can you remind me the deadline? | 16:14 |
| david-lyle | Sept 4 | 16:14 |
| david-lyle | is the merge deadline | 16:14 |
| MaxV | ouch | 16:14 |
| david-lyle | that's how we all feel :) | 16:15 |
| david-lyle | I may allow an exception for this, if it's really close by sept 4 | 16:15 |
| david-lyle | but we shouldn't count on that time | 16:16 |
| david-lyle | I'll wait a week and see where we stand | 16:16 |
| MaxV | hope the best expect the worse | 16:16 |
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| lblanchard | MaxV: Are you blocked by UX? | 16:16 |
| MaxV | we did the user testing | 16:16 |
| MaxV | but there is some changes | 16:17 |
| MaxV | (quite a lot) | 16:17 |
| lblanchard | yeah…all good ones at least :) But yes, lots to do I'm sure. | 16:17 |
| MaxV | I can "try" to have a patch in two weeks | 16:18 |
| MaxV | It will be really hard | 16:18 |
| david-lyle | MaxV, keep us posted, I would really like to see this land | 16:19 |
| MaxV | thanks | 16:19 |
| david-lyle | is there anything anyone else can help you with? | 16:19 |
| david-lyle | clu_ https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/client-side-pagination introduces a new js library, which is contradictory to the first bp we discussed, your change just got a lot more complicated | 16:21 |
| david-lyle | just so you're not surprised | 16:21 |
| MaxV | thanks | 16:21 |
| clu_ | david-lyle: o.O uh oh | 16:21 |
| rdopieralski | clu_: I can package it for xstatic, but as everything it will need to go through infra review in global-requirements | 16:22 |
| rdopieralski | clu_: where the packagers for different distros can veto it | 16:22 |
| jpich | The Launch Instance UX patch also introduces several new javascript libraries | 16:23 |
| MaxV | just one | 16:23 |
| rdopieralski | same thing applies | 16:23 |
| MaxV | the bootstrap binding in angular | 16:23 |
| clu_ | rdopieralski: that would be great | 16:23 |
| david-lyle | MaxV: will want to start the requirements process now to have any chance | 16:23 |
| rdopieralski | MaxV: better package it early then, so that we have time for reviews | 16:23 |
| david-lyle | +1 | 16:23 |
| MaxV | I will remade the patches for the messages | 16:23 |
| MaxV | and the accordion | 16:23 |
| david-lyle | MaxV thanks! | 16:24 |
| MaxV | and ping radomir for his help on packaging the lib | 16:24 |
| jpich | If some parts can be broken down into multiple patches already, so that they can reviewed already that'd be cool too | 16:24 |
| MaxV | I though about that | 16:24 |
| jpich | Cool :) | 16:25 |
| MaxV | I will release patches during the week | 16:25 |
| amotoki | generally speaking it is sometimes difficult to deal with patches which requires new js libs, ie xstatic packing and global-requirements. | 16:26 |
| MaxV | for the next meeting in order to have visibility | 16:26 |
| MaxV | I am sure rdopieralski will help me on this :) | 16:26 |
| amotoki | can we merge new js libs into the repo once and unbundle it? Or do we require xstatic packaging and global-requirements update? | 16:26 |
| clu_ | rdopieralski: I assume we were using this one: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/XStatic-JQuery.TableSorter/2.14.5.1? | 16:27 |
| rdopieralski | amotoki: no, because then the packagers are screwed, as they won't be able to package horizon for their distros | 16:27 |
| rdopieralski | amotoki: sorry for the language | 16:27 |
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| rdopieralski | clu_: yes | 16:27 |
| rdopieralski | amotoki: the whole point is that they review the new dependency before it gets in | 16:27 |
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| amotoki | rdopieralski: sounds reasonable. I just would like to clarify the merging policy. | 16:28 |
| david-lyle | amotoki: the distros end up removing the embedded js anyway and replace it with the system packe, this is cleaner for them | 16:28 |
| david-lyle | s/packe/package/ | 16:29 |
| rdopieralski | they don't want unpatched security holes | 16:29 |
| clu_ | rdopieralski: ok thx | 16:29 |
| david-lyle | or multiple versions to maintain | 16:29 |
| david-lyle | amotoki: so the policy moving forward should be no more embedded 3rd party js libraries added | 16:30 |
| david-lyle | into the Horizon code base, only as dependencies | 16:30 |
| amotoki | thanks. i believe i understand the background why we need to unbundle js libs. I just would like to clarify the *process* of proposing new libs. | 16:30 |
| rdopieralski | I will write an e-mail about that to the -dev list tomorrow | 16:30 |
| rdopieralski | david-lyle: or would you like to do it? | 16:31 |
| david-lyle | rdopieralski: I can do that, I'd like to add it to the developer docs too | 16:31 |
| rdopieralski | coming from the ptl it would be more official | 16:31 |
| jpich | Wiki page would be good too for reference | 16:31 |
| jpich | Or I guess the dev docs if it's a policy | 16:32 |
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| rdopieralski | we have a section on js policy in the dev docs already | 16:32 |
| david-lyle | wow, 3 places is a lot. I was cool with 2 but 3 is more than I can handle | 16:32 |
| amotoki | jpich: we can add a link to dev docs in wiki page. | 16:32 |
| david-lyle | :) | 16:32 |
| david-lyle | let's jump into the planned agenda | 16:33 |
| jpich | amotoki: Sure, one place is totally enough! I think we underuse the wiki sometimes, but as long as there's a doc somewhere I'm happy | 16:33 |
| david-lyle | I think we've touched on the first couple a bit, but | 16:33 |
| david-lyle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon | 16:33 |
| david-lyle | #topic xstatic-* repositories and their release process (rdopieralski) | 16:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "xstatic-* repositories and their release process (rdopieralski) (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 16:34 | |
| rdopieralski | so, now that we have all the stackforge/xstatic-* repos, we need to agree on a policy for updating and reviewing them | 16:34 |
| rdopieralski | I had the infra people add horizon-core and horizon-ptl to xstatic-core and xstatic-ptl respectively | 16:34 |
| rdopieralski | so you can all review the patches there | 16:35 |
| rdopieralski | I started adding .gitreview files to those repos, so there are already some patches for review | 16:35 |
| rdopieralski | also the upstream changes, which are, admittedly, a little messy | 16:35 |
| david-lyle | there's not a shortcut for adding all xstatic repos to my gerrit watch list I suppose? | 16:35 |
| rdopieralski | but they are aready released, so we probably want to sync to that | 16:35 |
| rdopieralski | david-lyle: I'm afraid not | 16:35 |
| amotoki | david-lyle: gerrit-dashboard can do it. | 16:35 |
| jpich | rdopieralski: Is there a bug tracker for the xstatic projects? | 16:36 |
| amotoki | oslo team does the similar. | 16:36 |
| rdopieralski | david-lyle: I would also want to ask you to tag the released versions, if you have time, or add me to xstatic-ptl so that I can tag them | 16:36 |
| david-lyle | amotoki: like an xstatic wildcard? | 16:36 |
| rdopieralski | jpich: no | 16:36 |
| amotoki | david-lyle: yes | 16:36 |
| bluex-pl | can we also update angular to v1.2.16 (or preferably v1.2.20) | 16:37 |
| david-lyle | ooh, I'll have to update my dashboard, thanks | 16:37 |
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| amotoki | it is the example of oslo: https://github.com/stackforge/gerrit-dash-creator/blob/master/dashboards/oslo-program.dash#L4 | 16:37 |
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| jpich | rdopieralski: Ok! So when it affects Horizon, simply file a Horizon bug even if the fix will be elsewhere | 16:38 |
| jpich | bluex-pl: Why? | 16:38 |
| rdopieralski | jpich: yeah | 16:38 |
| rdopieralski | jpich: there is a bug that is fixed in it | 16:38 |
| david-lyle | rdopieralski: send me a list of repos that are ready to tag | 16:38 |
| pawels | jpich: there is a bug with number validation in current AngularJS | 16:38 |
| pawels | currently used in Horizon | 16:39 |
| jpich | rdopieralski: I guess we'll need to reference the new library requirement in Horizon anyway | 16:39 |
| jpich | Cool, if it fixes bugs let's | 16:39 |
| bluex-pl | jpich: to resolve https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110578/ | 16:39 |
| pawels | jpich: the bug: https://github.com/angular/angular.js/issues/2144 | 16:40 |
| amotoki | Gerrit query "project:^stackforge/xstatic.* status:open" works too. https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:%255Estackforge/xstatic.*+status:open,n,z | 16:40 |
| jpich | Ok | 16:40 |
| rdopieralski | jpich: the thing is, debian testing has 1.2.16 | 16:40 |
| rdopieralski | jpich: so they will most likely veto anything higher | 16:41 |
| jpich | rdopieralski: If it's resolved in 1.2.16 sounds like a reasonable update to me, and sufficient for the requirements bump? Distros can package the most recent version if they prefer | 16:42 |
| jpich | *Other distros | 16:42 |
| rdopieralski | jpich: yes | 16:42 |
| jpich | Sweet | 16:42 |
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| rdopieralski | so we can try the process for upgrade on that | 16:43 |
| rdopieralski | 1. send a patch to gerrit and have it merged, 2. have new version released to pypi, 3. add it to global-requirements and have it merged there, 4. add it to horizon | 16:44 |
| rdopieralski | I wonder how much of it can happen in parallel | 16:44 |
| pawels | ;) | 16:44 |
| jpich | It'll be exciting to find out :-) | 16:46 |
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| david-lyle | alright time is tight, let's move on | 16:46 |
| david-lyle | #topic the split (rdopieralski) | 16:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "the split (rdopieralski) (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 16:46 | |
| rdopieralski | ok, so shortly | 16:47 |
| rdopieralski | I don't think the split will happen this cycle | 16:47 |
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| david-lyle | rdopieralski: I think you are correct | 16:47 |
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| rdopieralski | even if we are on time with patches, I think it's much better to do it early K | 16:47 |
| jpich | Milestone 3 isn't the best time for a change like that | 16:47 |
| david-lyle | happy to get the js out in this release | 16:47 |
| david-lyle | and be better staged for K | 16:47 |
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| rdopieralski | that's it about the split :) | 16:48 |
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| jpich | Thanks rdopieralski! | 16:49 |
| david-lyle | thanks | 16:49 |
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| david-lyle | #topic angular localization (TravT) | 16:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "angular localization (TravT) (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 16:49 | |
| TravT | we have a question on localizing angular loaded partials in horizon - is there already a best practice for this documented anywhere? | 16:49 |
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| TravT | I put up an etherpad with more info: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-angular-partial-localization | 16:49 |
| TravT | so if anybody can help out, it'd be appreciated. | 16:49 |
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| david-lyle | TravT: the only work so far with angular localization was done with the clientside tables patch | 16:50 |
| david-lyle | let me grab the link | 16:50 |
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| david-lyle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94706/53 | 16:51 |
| jgravel_ | + | 16:51 |
| david-lyle | unfortunately tqtran is not here now, but you may want to ping him directly | 16:51 |
| TravT | ok. I can do that. | 16:51 |
| jpich | Cool! Hope we can document such new best practices somewhere, even quickly in a wiki page :-) | 16:52 |
| pawels | will do | 16:52 |
| david-lyle | tqtran may have, I just don't have the link handy | 16:52 |
| jpich | Cool! | 16:52 |
| rbertram | We're still working on general JS best practices, maybe part of that | 16:53 |
| pawels | do we have a particular place for it? | 16:53 |
| rbertram | not yet - open to ideas | 16:53 |
| pawels | ok | 16:53 |
| jpich | Idea: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Horizon/Javascript , linked back from the Horizon main wiki page? | 16:53 |
| pawels | good starting point | 16:54 |
| TravT | that is memorable | 16:54 |
| david-lyle | works for me | 16:54 |
| rbertram | jpich: ok, will tell Thai | 16:54 |
| TravT | I'll email tqtram about this as well | 16:54 |
| david-lyle | TravT: anything else? | 16:54 |
| TravT | no, guess not for now | 16:55 |
| david-lyle | thanks! | 16:55 |
| david-lyle | #topic Open Discussion | 16:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 16:55 | |
| david-lyle | not much time left, but have at it | 16:55 |
| nlahouti | how can delivery status be changed (from code review to implemented) in here https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/juno-3 | 16:55 |
| rbertram | david-lyle: still concerned about Bootstrap 3 bugs? I tagged one, but not approved yet. | 16:55 |
| david-lyle | I will change it once it's merged | 16:55 |
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| nlahouti | david-lyle: so it will be changed for after merged? | 16:56 |
| david-lyle | nlahouti: Needs review is the correct state for now | 16:56 |
| jpich | There's a gerrit hook that updates the status | 16:56 |
| tsufiev | in case somebody missed last message about Merlin plans for PoC on ML (I made kind of announcement couple of weeks ago here), here it is: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/042128.html | 16:56 |
| david-lyle | nlahouti: yes, I will manually update it | 16:57 |
| nlahouti | david-lyle: even if the implementation is done. | 16:57 |
| david-lyle | jpich not for bps | 16:57 |
| amotoki | I missed the meeting last week as I fall asleep. Regarding compiled message catalog, i agree it is better we keep the current in Juno and discuss about the policy of OpenStack projects as a while in Kilo. | 16:57 |
| * tsufiev unfortunately forgot to add it to the agenda | 16:57 | |
| jpich | david-lyle: Really? I thought there used to be | 16:57 |
| david-lyle | implemented indicates it has merged into horizon tree | 16:57 |
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| nlahouti | david-lyle: thx . got it | 16:57 |
| david-lyle | jpich, not that I've seen | 16:57 |
| jpich | david-lyle: My bad, ok! | 16:57 |
| david-lyle | jpich, I wish | 16:58 |
| jpich | Yeah | 16:58 |
| david-lyle | amotoki: +1 | 16:58 |
| jpich | I must have seen it in a dream then | 16:58 |
| tsufiev | this message had some ideas about collaboration with Horizon, so please do not hesitate to respond :) | 16:58 |
| jpich | amotoki: Sounds good to me too | 16:58 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: I'm ok doing the library work in Horizon proper if you are | 16:59 |
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| tsufiev | david-lyle, what is the proper way of doing library work in Horizon? | 16:59 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, just to make sure we understand each other :) | 16:59 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: ping me after this, we're out of time | 17:00 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, sure, thanks | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 12 17:00:16 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-08-12-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-08-12-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-08-12-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
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| lblanchard | thanks everyone | 17:00 |
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| pballand | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 12 17:01:24 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is pballand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: CongressTeamMeeting)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 17:01 |
| arosen | hi | 17:01 |
| harrisonkelly | hey | 17:01 |
| pballand | good morning | 17:01 |
| alexsyip | Hi | 17:01 |
| Basil_Saito | Howdy | 17:01 |
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| pballand | lets get started | 17:02 |
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| rajdeep | hi all | 17:03 |
| pballand | we’ve been working to stabilize things after the large commits of code that have gone in recently | 17:03 |
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| sarob | morning | 17:03 |
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| kudva | Hi | 17:03 |
| pballand | unfortunately it looks like some of the installs and tests have been broken, so that is a big focus area this week | 17:03 |
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| pballand | harrisonkelly: I think this is your first meeting - care to introduce yourself, and what brings you to congress? | 17:04 |
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| harrisonkelly | Of course | 17:04 |
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| harrisonkelly | I’m Harrison Kelly, I’ve been interning at Plexxi since May (I’m from umass lowell) and finished a big integration project with vCenter and Plexxi using the DSE (Derick’s version from before it went into Congress). Derick thought that it would be a good idea for me to get involved in the project and I thought it would also be good for me to get more experience working with and | 17:05 |
| harrisonkelly | contributing to open source software | 17:05 |
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| cloudtoad | What's up, Harrison? | 17:06 |
| harrisonkelly | hey Derick | 17:06 |
| pballand | great, we’re happy to have your help :) | 17:06 |
| harrisonkelly | thanks! | 17:06 |
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| pballand | lets go through status updates | 17:07 |
| pballand | Basil_Saito: since you’re also new to the meeting, would you like to go? | 17:08 |
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| Basil_Saito | Hello! | 17:08 |
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| Basil_Saito | I am an intern at the Marist College IBM/Join Study datacenter | 17:08 |
| Basil_Saito | I work alongside Radu_, he is a programmer, I am the SysAdmin | 17:09 |
| Basil_Saito | It's a pleasure to be here and see what we can do with Congress! | 17:09 |
| pballand | great, welcome! | 17:10 |
| pballand | Basil_Saito: do you have any particular use case you are targetting? | 17:10 |
| Basil_Saito | Radu_ can provide some input on that | 17:10 |
| pballand | hi Radu_ you around? | 17:11 |
| Radu_ | yeah | 17:11 |
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| Radu_ | We are creating a driver in order to integrate Plexxicore with openstack | 17:12 |
| thinrichs | Radu_: Great! | 17:12 |
| thinrichs | (sorry I'm late) | 17:12 |
| Radu_ | I have some diagrams outlining a rough usecase that I was working on improving a bit, but the general idea is to use congress to help create affinites between VM's on a network using data from plexxi and other sources such as nova | 17:12 |
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| pballand | Radu_: that sounds awesome! | 17:13 |
| Radu_ | https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=1F3E9DE6C22F170A!171&ithint=file%2cpptx&app=PowerPoint&authkey=!APYFH_qEqMXu2v8 | 17:13 |
| Radu_ | Those are my diagrams, they are still a little rough around the edges | 17:13 |
| Radu_ | working on incorperating some feedback to paint a better picture | 17:13 |
| pballand | one of the the things we’ve been trying move towards is gettings specs for all of the work that people are targetting | 17:14 |
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| pballand | unfortunately we’ve been stalled on a spec repo, but sarob was working on that - any updates sarob? | 17:14 |
| sarob | pballand: infra spec patch merged | 17:15 |
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| sarob | the initial spec patch zuul isnt picking up | 17:16 |
| sarob | im going to add another patch to verify the infra patch worked | 17:16 |
| pballand | cool - fingers crossed that it goes through soon | 17:17 |
| pballand | in the mean time, I think we should continue to post blueprints following the wiki | 17:17 |
| sarob | working on the patch now | 17:18 |
| pballand | kudva: any updates on the builtins patch? | 17:18 |
| pballand | kudva appears to be away... | 17:19 |
| kudva | pballand: I have checked in the builtin-runtime patch. Tim gave me a few bugs to test the query-optimization and syntax-checking errors. I plan to test them | 17:19 |
| kudva | pballand: been a bit swamped the last week, should have an update next week. | 17:20 |
| thinrichs | kudva: before we enable builtins I think we need to fix those bugs. | 17:20 |
| thinrichs | Otherwise if people can write reasonable-looking rules, and the policy engine will break on them. | 17:20 |
| pballand | kudva: is this the patch? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109099/ | 17:20 |
| kudva | thinrichs: yes agreed. Plan to do it this week | 17:21 |
| kudva | pballand: yes | 17:21 |
| thinrichs | kudva: good to know. | 17:21 |
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| thinrichs | kudva: I'm excited to get those builtins in place. I *know* people will be asking for them 10 min after they get the hang of writing policy. | 17:21 |
| kudva | thinrichs: yes, I think we are very close. My goal is to get the tests done by Friday this week. | 17:22 |
| pballand | rajdeep: anything new on your end? | 17:23 |
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| rajdeep | hi , i was trying to setup a new environment with congress | 17:23 |
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| rajdeep | looks like we have lot of undocumented dependencies | 17:23 |
| rajdeep | i will update the docs | 17:23 |
| rajdeep | got the tests working | 17:24 |
| pballand | ok - I know arosen was working on cleaning up some of that... | 17:24 |
| pballand | arosen: can you give an update on what you are working on, and coordinate with rajdeep ? | 17:24 |
| rajdeep | e.g libxml2-dev, libxslt1-dev, lib32z1-dev | 17:25 |
| thinrichs | BTW, there's a new set of instructions if you're installing with devstack. | 17:25 |
| thinrichs | rajdeep: you might try those. | 17:25 |
| thinrichs | https://github.com/stackforge/congress/blob/master/contrib/devstack/README.rst | 17:25 |
| arosen | Sure, i'm about to push a quick patch that removes datasources/settings.py so the datasources can be configured via the config file. | 17:25 |
| rajdeep | sure thinrichs will try that as well | 17:26 |
| arosen | I'm also planning on improving the devstack integration so it's a little easier to undertsand | 17:26 |
| arosen | that's pretty much it from me this week | 17:26 |
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| pballand | thanks - we’ve been trying to get the install instructions seamless | 17:27 |
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| pballand | we are targeting install directions using devstack, and standalone | 17:27 |
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| pballand | so far the devstack install seems to be working pretty well, with some minor tweaks that arosen is working on | 17:28 |
| pballand | if everyone can beat on these and file bugs, that would be really helpful | 17:28 |
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| pballand | alexsyip: welcome to the project - would you mind introducing yourself and what you are working on? | 17:29 |
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| alexsyip | Hi, I’m coming to Congress from vmware NVP/NSX where I worked on the nlog programming language compiler and runtime. | 17:30 |
| alexsyip | Currently, I am working on a demo policy for congress, in particular the “Public/private networks with group membership” example policy. | 17:31 |
| alexsyip | I have the demo working, and I am working on documenting so that other people can try it out. | 17:31 |
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| pballand | very cool, thanks alexsyip | 17:31 |
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| pballand | gokul: are you around? | 17:32 |
| gokul | hello! yes -- sorry, joined late. | 17:32 |
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| pballand | (or anyone else with an update on the optimization+enforcement efforts) | 17:32 |
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| pballand | no worries - thanks for joining :) | 17:32 |
| gokul | let me start with a question: Tim mentioned that you would have a server etc. running... was wondering about it. | 17:33 |
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| thinrichs | gokul: I assume you're talking about a prototype that runs end-to-end for monitoring policy. | 17:33 |
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| gokul | I think he referred to a congress policy server with one policy and the whole loop of enforcement (if I understood it right the last time) | 17:34 |
| thinrichs | It's getting close. If you check the logs of this meeting you'll see arosen/rajdeep talking about getting a devstack installation ready. | 17:34 |
| thinrichs | gokul: we've pulled enforcement out as a feature of this release (we're targeting an alpha release soon). | 17:35 |
| thinrichs | But the remnants of basic enforcement code is still in the repo. | 17:35 |
| thinrichs | I'm happy to schedule a time to give you an overview of what we have. | 17:35 |
| thinrichs | Probably on the phone is best. | 17:35 |
| thinrichs | Anyone else is welcome to join, of course. | 17:35 |
| gokul | thinrichs: ok. thanks. I think if I can get an overview, that would be awesome. it will help me bootstrap and contribute faster ;) | 17:35 |
| thinrichs | gokul: sounds good. Drop me an email to set up a time. Same goes for everyone else. thinrichs@vmware.com | 17:36 |
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| thinrichs | gokul: Enforcement is super-important, so starting the design process is crucial. | 17:37 |
| thinrichs | I'm looking forward to it! | 17:37 |
| pballand | did I miss anyone? | 17:37 |
| harrisonkelly | I made some progress | 17:37 |
| gokul | thinrichs: agreed. thanks! i'll contact you. | 17:38 |
| pballand | harrisonkelly: great - can you give us some details? | 17:38 |
| kudva | thinrichs: please include me on that phone call for overview | 17:40 |
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| thinrichs | kudva: ok. | 17:40 |
| sarob | i can jump here | 17:40 |
| pballand | not sure if harrisonkelly is still around | 17:40 |
| pballand | sarob: that would be great | 17:40 |
| harrisonkelly | I started changing the DSE to use eventlets instead of threads. I used the vCenter integration that I previously did as a test to see if it ran with the new changes. It sort of ran, but now how I expected it to. Only 3/8 of the modules did what they were suposed to. The last ‘step’ that was done was to publish data to another module, so I began by looking into the subscribing/publishing | 17:40 |
| harrisonkelly | functions in deepsix.py. The DSE recognizes that there was a subscription to the module, but when the module published the data, it didn’t have any subscribers. I think I messed something up in the dse internals and have to look at it more | 17:40 |
| pballand | harrisonkelly: are you able to run the existing unit tests before and after your changes? | 17:41 |
| harrisonkelly | I didn’t attempt to run those, are those the ones that are in the .sh file? | 17:42 |
| pballand | run_tests.sh | 17:42 |
| pballand | (see the read me) | 17:42 |
| harrisonkelly | I couldn’t get that one to run when I tried to setup Congress last week | 17:42 |
| pballand | let’s talk about that offline (#congress IRC or mail list) - we need to get to the policy summit | 17:43 |
| harrisonkelly | alright no problem | 17:43 |
| pballand | sarob: you’re up | 17:43 |
| sarob | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-midcycle-policy-summit | 17:43 |
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| sarob | this is the working etherpad for the 18-19 sep policy summit | 17:43 |
| sarob | we will need to get people commenting on the schedule | 17:44 |
| sarob | slash agenda | 17:44 |
| sarob | i wil be creating an eventbrite page soon | 17:44 |
| sarob | with space for 30 people | 17:44 |
| sarob | who online is planning on joining us? | 17:45 |
| sarob | mestery, mikal? | 17:45 |
| pballand | cloudtoad: ? | 17:45 |
| sarob | thinking thing | 17:46 |
| sarob | ing | 17:46 |
| sarob | well no reason to hold up the meeting | 17:46 |
| cloudtoad | I am planning on going, but it's not cleared yet for me... I may have to go to Boston that week. | 17:46 |
| sarob | ill reach out for some of the others offline | 17:47 |
| pballand | ok, thanks sarob :) We’re hoping to get a good crowd, so please spread the word | 17:47 |
| sarob | spreadign | 17:47 |
| pballand | we have been working hard to get a release (alpha) out - thinrichs has a short list of items left | 17:48 |
| pballand | thinrichs: can you give us an update, and anyone else chime in with other critical items | 17:49 |
| thinrichs | Sure. It looks like there are a few pretty simple bugs along with a few features we need to expose to the API. | 17:49 |
| thinrichs | It looks reasonable to do a code freeze on Friday and then spend next week testing/fixing bugs. | 17:50 |
| thinrichs | I'm hoping to get the alpha officially tagged and released by next Friday. | 17:50 |
| rajdeep | do we have the client library working? | 17:50 |
| thinrichs | I'm doubtful we'll get that into the alpha, unfortunately. | 17:51 |
| pballand | arosen was working on the client library - but I don’t think it will be ready this week | 17:51 |
| thinrichs | Without it the main interface will be curl/wget | 17:51 |
| arosen | I've made some good progess there. I think i basically have the whole api exposed at this point though I haven't added code coverage yet. | 17:51 |
| arosen | I have a patch online for review if you want to try it out. | 17:51 |
| thinrichs | Well maybe it's more likely to make it in than I thought. | 17:52 |
| rajdeep | would love to try it | 17:53 |
| Radu_ | I've been using some simple python to play with the API a bit. I pasted one test script I was using on the openstack paste section a while back | 17:53 |
| rajdeep | it has a usability aspect which is important | 17:54 |
| pballand | thanks thinrichs - does anyone else have items they think are critical to get in before we publicly announce a “release”? | 17:54 |
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| pballand | ok, three minutes left - any other topics to discuss? | 17:56 |
| sarob | nope | 17:56 |
| sarob | for me | 17:56 |
| pballand | ok, that’s it for this week | 17:57 |
| pballand | thanks everyone for joining | 17:57 |
| pballand | see you in #congress | 17:57 |
| pballand | #endmeeting | 17:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 12 17:57:24 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2014/congressteammeeting.2014-08-12-17.01.html | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2014/congressteammeeting.2014-08-12-17.01.txt | 17:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2014/congressteammeeting.2014-08-12-17.01.log.html | 17:57 |
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| arosen | later! | 18:00 |
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| briancurtin | #startmeeting python-openstacksdk | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 12 19:00:47 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is briancurtin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: python-openstacksdk)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'python_openstacksdk' | 19:00 |
| terrylhowe | Terry Howe, HP | 19:01 |
| briancurtin | Brian Curtin, Rackspace | 19:01 |
| jamielennox | Jamie Lennox, Red Hat | 19:01 |
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| briancurtin | #topic Current state of resources | 19:03 |
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| briancurtin | So right now I think we're off to a decent start, with compute, networking, and telemetry stuff in motion and mostly rolling right through review | 19:03 |
| briancurtin | since the last meeting i went through and updated that swift one, which i think should be ok now: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111807/ | 19:04 |
| stevelle | Steve Lewis, Rackspace | 19:04 |
| briancurtin | now that we have a bunch of them done and seem to have a decent feel for how they're going to work and be built, should we take a look higher or lower at this point before we hammer them all out? | 19:05 |
| stevelle | I believe we will find there are issues at this level we can still dig into | 19:05 |
| terrylhowe | We don’t have a good example of a resource with a complicated url | 19:05 |
| terrylhowe | like metadata on image or server | 19:06 |
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| stevelle | networking pool members for example | 19:06 |
| terrylhowe | I think it will be fine, but I’d like to see one | 19:06 |
| stevelle | +1 that also | 19:06 |
| jamielennox | right, we still have problems with nested resources etc, but i don't think that precludes us from looking at the next level | 19:07 |
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| briancurtin | jamielennox: yep. if this swift container change is good, i want to look at objects, since that's all nested | 19:08 |
| jamielennox | briancurtin: is there any concepts/WIP of what a higher level looks like at this point? | 19:10 |
| terrylhowe | what do you guys have in mind for the next level up? Honestly, I’d need some convincing we need another level. | 19:10 |
| briancurtin | jamielennox: not yet | 19:10 |
| jamielennox | terrylhowe: we still need a version abstraction layer | 19:11 |
| terrylhowe | well, we definitely need something to sort through version, I agree with that jamielennox | 19:12 |
| terrylhowe | is it a whole level though? | 19:12 |
| jamielennox | one of the initial goals is to make API versions transparent to the user, so a process of discovering what's available and then using the corect resources | 19:12 |
| briancurtin | terrylhowe: i would like to see if we can make something nice that doesn't require explicitly passing in a session to every single call | 19:13 |
| briancurtin | it's probably a pretty thin layer, just hiding that and getting to "i want to create something that gives me swift containers and objects" | 19:14 |
| briancurtin | also probably a facade to *_by_id things | 19:15 |
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| briancurtin | like i'd rather call get_object('myobj') than Object.get_by_id(sess, 'myobj') or something | 19:16 |
| briancurtin | (maybe?) | 19:16 |
| dtroyer | Dean Troyer, Nebula, late | 19:16 |
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| jamielennox | briancurtin: i think we discussed moving *_by_id to just regular functions | 19:17 |
| jamielennox | briancurtin: but i agree, for a UX perspective the simple case shouldn't need session passing | 19:17 |
| jamielennox | the 101 case of how do i create and boot a vm should be simpler than we have now | 19:17 |
| briancurtin | jamielennox: we did, and i sort of looked at that for what dtroyer was talking about in his lower level but haven't completed anything there | 19:18 |
| briancurtin | dtroyer: right now we're kind of just talking through where we're at with the resources, and which direction(s) to go - higher and lower. also need to work out resources for some more complex cases (e.g., nesting) | 19:20 |
| dtroyer | ok, thanks for the update | 19:20 |
| briancurtin | #action Create Resource classes for more complex URLs, e.g., image or server metadata, network pool members | 19:23 |
| jamielennox | so are we stuck with a higher case looking like the existing clients? | 19:23 |
| briancurtin | #action Swift objects and/or other nested Resources | 19:23 |
| jamielennox | client.compute.images.boot() | 19:23 |
| jamielennox | ah, that's wrong - but that format? | 19:23 |
| dtroyer | maybe, but I would hope there is only one client in that situation, so there's a small improvement... | 19:24 |
| jamielennox | dtroyer: ++ 1 client | 19:24 |
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| jamielennox | does client.compute.image_boot() work better? do we want to try to remove the 'compute' term altogether? | 19:25 |
| dtroyer | there will be sple places you'll need to namespace things, quotas are the first thing that comes to mind | 19:25 |
| jamielennox | i like the idea of removing compute, but there will be a lot of resources hanging off client otherwise | 19:25 |
| jamielennox | sple? | 19:26 |
| terrylhowe | I’d sooner see something more like your first example jamielennox | 19:26 |
| briancurtin | i'm not sure where the client name is coming from | 19:26 |
| terrylhowe | client.compute.images.list() though, not sure what a boot method would do | 19:26 |
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| jamielennox | terrylhowe: yea, shows you how well i know the nova api :) | 19:27 |
| dtroyer | <size-question> why is there an images under compute? | 19:27 |
| dtroyer | s/size/side/ | 19:27 |
| dtroyer | client.images.list() | 19:27 |
| jamielennox | ok, i chose a really bad example | 19:27 |
| dtroyer | :) | 19:28 |
| jamielennox | i feel otherwise i keep bringing up keystone examples and no-one else cares :p | 19:28 |
| terrylhowe | client.identity.user.list() | 19:28 |
| briancurtin | jamielennox: from what you said earlier, i dont think we want to remove the 'compute' term at all | 19:29 |
| jamielennox | so one of the early goals was to remove code names, my question about removing compute was 'is one of the goals to remove the concept of different services and behave like one cloud'? | 19:30 |
| briancurtin | partially because then we'll have a ton of things around in the same namespace, but i think we agreed early on to keep things named properly like 'compute' is 'compute' and not 'servers' or 'nova' or anything | 19:30 |
| briancurtin | i think we still need the separation, otherwise that'll be one hell of a crowded namespace | 19:31 |
| jamielennox | for example when cinder split out and images moved out of nova, we from the client could adapt to a change in client.images.lits() | 19:31 |
| jamielennox | briancurtin: ++ that was my first though | 19:31 |
| jamielennox | (not advocating a position on any of this, just throwing ideas around) | 19:32 |
| dtroyer | at what point size-wise would rolling all of these up under a client be considered too big? Not from a keeping-it-in-memory standpoint, but from a reasonable python thing standpoint? | 19:32 |
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| dtroyer | then only things that need the disambiguation get it like compute_quota.verb() | 19:32 |
| terrylhowe | if the | 19:33 |
| stevelle | client.compute.images() for list and client.compute.images['image_id'].snapshot() for createImage ? | 19:33 |
| jamielennox | yea, i don't think memory is a consideration - we can do lazy load things - and it's python | 19:33 |
| terrylhowe | SDK ever covered stuff like orchestration, etc, it will get real crouded and confusing | 19:33 |
| jamielennox | but would it? i'm trying to think of an example (other than quota) where the same resource name is used across services | 19:34 |
| dtroyer | jamielennox: I wasn't clear…human memory, keeping it all in your mind... | 19:34 |
| jamielennox | dtroyer: ah, do you think the namespacing helps there? of is it purely easier to segment and document? | 19:35 |
| dtroyer | I think it helps from a doc standpoint, the breakdown helps jump to what you want | 19:35 |
| dtroyer | look at the TOC on this page and imagine it flat: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStackClient/Commands | 19:36 |
| terrylhowe | A guy was just adding Heat to OSC with commands like “stack create”, etc. Those are really vague without context | 19:36 |
| briancurtin | i have been thinking of all of this as segmented, not any client overlord in front of everything. i auth and create compute, block storage, and networking classes and work with them | 19:36 |
| dtroyer | briancurtin: +1 I persoanlly needed to go down that path a bit to make sure it wasn't the Right Thing(™) | 19:37 |
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| jamielennox | ok, just wanted to explore the idea (though kind of like the wholistic cloud thing) | 19:38 |
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| jamielennox | this is possibly a good time to putting something on the MLs a request for comment or something because i know i suck at UX and people seem to have strong opinions | 19:40 |
| jamielennox | also someone asked me the other day if this project was still around, so even if no-one resonds it's good for an update | 19:41 |
| dtroyer | +1 to that | 19:41 |
| briancurtin | that sounds good, both on the ML and probably just in general to be a blog post or something and see what people outside of openstack-dev think (as end-users) | 19:42 |
| briancurtin | i can start writing something up as a bit of a status update and then an RFC on how people would want to use it | 19:42 |
| dtroyer | having runnable examples to point to for specifics would be good (sez he who has no idean the current state of the examples) | 19:43 |
| briancurtin | right now the examples are intentionally generic, mostly supporting the verbs. I think some service-specific examples could be helpful for this email/post/rfc | 19:44 |
| terrylhowe | near as I know the examples work, but they are very generic at the moment | 19:44 |
| jamielennox | generic is probably ok, we aren't going to change the current levels based on this we just want to figure out how to wrap them into something user friendly | 19:45 |
| terrylhowe | well, the examples are more useful to a developer than a user | 19:46 |
| briancurtin | once swift properly handles objects, it's an easy enough example to show listing containers, listing objects, downloading an object, in a relatively compact example | 19:46 |
| notmyname | briancurtin: just saw your comment. what are you looking for in swift? | 19:47 |
| terrylhowe | yeh, we should probably have some scenarios like that for compute and network as well | 19:47 |
| briancurtin | notmyname: just building out the object resource for python-openstacksdk, have account and container done, just need to finish it up | 19:48 |
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| briancurtin | notmyname: FYI wasn't really a comment toward swift itself, but support of swift objects within the SDK project | 19:49 |
| notmyname | understood | 19:50 |
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| briancurtin | so i'll start putting something of a status report together, then put together an RFC on how to move forward - will email it around within the next few days assuming some small examples can come together | 19:52 |
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| briancurtin | #action status report and RFC | 19:53 |
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| terrylhowe | I was planning on working server metadata which might cover that one action item, but I’m not sure if it is going to fit the pattern we are looking for | 19:53 |
| terrylhowe | either way, I’ll have something for server metadata and server ips | 19:54 |
| briancurtin | cool, will keep an eye out for it, and let me know how i can help | 19:55 |
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| briancurtin | anything else in these last 5 minutes? | 19:56 |
| jamielennox | i'm good | 19:56 |
| terrylhowe | nothing here | 19:57 |
| stevelle | same | 19:57 |
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| briancurtin | #endmeeting | 19:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 12 19:58:07 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2014/python_openstacksdk.2014-08-12-19.00.html | 19:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2014/python_openstacksdk.2014-08-12-19.00.txt | 19:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2014/python_openstacksdk.2014-08-12-19.00.log.html | 19:58 |
| briancurtin | thanks everyone | 19:58 |
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