Wednesday, 2014-09-03

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SumitNaiksatamhi17:31
s3wonghello17:31
pcm_hi17:32
dougwigo/17:32
banix_hi17:32
* marios half here17:32
SumitNaiksatams3wong: pcm_ dougwig banix_: marios: hi17:32
cgoncalveshi everyone!17:32
SumitNaiksatam#startmeeting Networking Advanced Services17:32
openstackMeeting started Wed Sep  3 17:32:35 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:32
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SumitNaiksatamcgoncalves: hi17:32
SumitNaiksatamso I had a one point agenda item proposal for this meeting :-)17:33
cgoncalvesSumitNaiksatam: sorry for my absence. I had the opportunity to extend my vacations for more 2 weeks and had limited Internet access to inform you all17:33
SumitNaiksatamcgoncalves: np at all17:33
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LouisFhi17:33
SumitNaiksatammy proposal was that we suspend this meeting to focus on Juno bug fixing and stability17:33
SumitNaiksatamLouisF: hi17:34
dougwigSumitNaiksatam: +117:34
SumitNaiksatamas of this week, we dont have any reviews that we are tracking :-(17:34
banix_SumitNaiksatam: sounds reasonable17:34
s3wongSumitNaiksatam: sounds good17:34
cgoncalvesSumitNaiksatam: fine for me. I've nothing to report anyway :-)17:34
SumitNaiksatamcgoncalves: :-) pretty much the same case with everyone else17:34
SumitNaiksatamalright, any objections?17:34
marios+117:34
SumitNaiksatamwe can certainly keep the discussion going over emails17:35
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mariosSumitNaiksatam: we are well placed to land stuff in kilo, is the upside :/17:35
SumitNaiksatammarios: true17:35
SumitNaiksatamthanks all for your deligence and hard work17:35
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s3wongmarios: so optimistic :-)17:35
SumitNaiksatamany other thoughts/comments for today?17:36
marioss3wong: lol17:36
SumitNaiksatam#endmeeting17:36
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SridarKSumitNaiksatam: hi17:46
natarajkhi17:46
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: natarajk: hi17:46
SumitNaiksatambadveli: hi17:46
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SridarKSumitNaiksatam: hi17:46
gduanHi17:47
SumitNaiksatamgduan: hi17:47
SumitNaiksatam#startmeeting Networking FWaaS17:47
openstackMeeting started Wed Sep  3 17:47:51 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:47
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SumitNaiksatamthanks all for joining earlier17:49
SumitNaiksatamit will help to have the extra time to discuss the FWaaS/DVR issue at hand17:49
SumitNaiksatamfirst lets quickly get the other items out of the way17:49
SumitNaiksatam#topic Bugs17:50
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SumitNaiksatamenikanorov__: hi17:50
enikanorov__hi17:50
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SumitNaiksatam#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1314313 was upgraded in prirority from low to medium17:51
SumitNaiksatamand i wanted to check why since we have only since this in the experimental dvr gate17:51
enikanorov__sorry, no update from my side, i didn't have a chance to look closer yet17:51
SumitNaiksatamenikanorov__: per our discussion during the neutron IRC meeting i think you confirmed that this was only in the DVR experimental gate17:51
enikanorov__yes, that's correct17:52
SumitNaiksatamenikanorov__: if so, can we revert this to a the lower priority?17:52
enikanorov__ok. i just thought that eventually dvr mode will be defaiult17:52
enikanorov__hence 'medium'17:52
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SumitNaiksatamenikanorov__: i think we should raise the priority once that happens17:53
enikanorov__agree17:54
SumitNaiksatamenikanorov__: and like we mentioned the tempest test merge will most likely fix this in the DVR gate as well17:54
SumitNaiksatamenikanorov__: so hopefully we will be good by then17:55
SumitNaiksatamenikanorov__: thanks, if you can get a chance, please deliberate on the priority of that bug17:55
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: badveli: any other critical bugs to track?17:55
enikanorov__ok, i will17:55
SumitNaiksatami dont see in the bug lists17:55
SumitNaiksatamenikanorov__: thanks for your time17:56
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SridarKSumitNaiksatam: i don't think so - also i have not had a chance to scrub17:56
badvelisorry17:56
badvelijust came back17:56
SumitNaiksatambadveli: any of the untriaged bugs have anything critical? in case you got a chance to check?17:57
SumitNaiksatamokay probably not17:57
SumitNaiksatamlets move on17:57
SumitNaiksatam#topic Service Objects17:57
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badvelii did not check lately, but i think preeti fix17:57
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SumitNaiksatambadveli: i dont think that is a critical priority issue is it?17:58
badvelino not critical17:58
SumitNaiksatambadveli: that has been in review for a while: #link https://review.openstack.org/10895217:59
SumitNaiksatamif thats the one you are referring to17:59
SumitNaiksatamok moving on17:59
SumitNaiksatam: #topic Service Objects17:59
badvelithanks sumit, yes it was18:00
SumitNaiksatam#link https://review.openstack.org/106274 was -2’ed18:00
SumitNaiksatambadveli and the team were very diligent in pursuing this18:01
badvelithanks sumit, but not able to get any response18:01
badvelithe blue print was been reviewed18:02
SumitNaiksatamanyone have any thoughts on this or would like to discuss?18:02
badvelii am not sure what is the process18:02
badvelithe API changes are reviewed as part of the BP18:03
SumitNaiksatambadveli: true18:03
SridarKbadveli: +118:03
badvelii am not able to understand if there is any other process to make people aware of it18:03
badvelisuddenly if we say the API changes are not reviewed i am confused18:04
SumitNaiksatamwe also first introduced this in Icehouse18:04
badveliyes, this has been quite a while18:04
SumitNaiksatamand then it was brought up during the Juno design summit review18:05
SumitNaiksatamwe have also been discussing on a weekly basis in the fwaas meetings18:05
badvelithanks sumit for tracking this18:06
badvelibut unfortunately my bad luck18:06
SumitNaiksatami guess the only other thing left to do is to broadcast this to the ML regularly18:06
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SumitNaiksatamalthough I am not sure that it is the required procedure for every new API18:07
SridarKSumitNaiksatam: perhaps we should also bring this up at the summit - in terms of formalizing the API review process18:07
SumitNaiksatamanyway, but does not hurt18:07
badveliyes, this is what confusing me18:07
SridarKif it involves something beyond a spec review18:07
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: sure18:07
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: agree18:07
SumitNaiksatamperhaps it should be documented18:07
SumitNaiksatami noticed that Swami joined18:08
SumitNaiksatam#topic FWaaS DVR support18:08
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SumitNaiksatamSridarK: go ahead18:08
SridarKSumitNaiksatam: thanks18:08
SumitNaiksatamany developments18:08
SridarKSwami: hi18:08
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SwamiSridarK: hi18:08
SwamiSumitNaiksatam: yes I am here18:09
SumitNaiksatamSwami: thanks for joining18:09
SridarKSumitNaiksatam: one thing on the test - we are on the fwd chain so we need to test vm on on net to vm on another18:09
SwamiJust listening to what you complain about the DVR team.18:09
SridarKnot from the ns18:09
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SwamiJust kidding  :)18:09
SumitNaiksatamSwami: :-)18:09
SridarKi am doing some tests18:09
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SumitNaiksatamSwami and others: so the update at this point is that we have the implementation working as defined in the spec18:10
SumitNaiksatamand also per discussions with the DVR team18:10
SwamiSumitNaiksatam: Great work in a short span.18:10
SumitNaiksatamwhile doing some functional testing we are seeing some issues18:10
SumitNaiksatamand that is what we want to quickly firm up on18:10
SridarKSumitNaiksatam: the ping test from namespace is probab not the right way to do it18:10
SumitNaiksatamSwami: all thanks to you and the DVR team (for the support and cooperation)18:10
SridarKSumitNaiksatam: +1 on that18:11
badvelithanks swami18:11
SridarKSwami: thanks so much for all the help18:11
SumitNaiksatamof course we need a big round of applause for SridarK for getting the implementation to where it is now (with surgical changes so as not disrupt too much)18:11
SwamiYes this is a required feature by both DVR and the community, it is good that you guys pulled it in.18:12
SridarKSumitNaiksatam: no worries - if we make it that will be great - thanks18:12
SumitNaiksatamthe patch is pretty small in terms of lines of code, so its a good thing (at least for the reviewers)18:12
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: Swami: back to you18:12
SridarKSwami: we will need to close on that scenario when the router_add happens18:13
SridarKThat is clearly one issue that remains18:13
SwamiSridarK: this is when a l3agent restarts.18:13
SridarKSwami: yes18:13
SwamiYes we can discuss this on our 1.00p.m meeting with Mike18:13
SridarKSwami: hopefully when we talk - i can quickly try out and confirm as well18:14
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SwamiI have already updated our folks with your requests.18:14
SridarKSwami: thanks18:14
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: what about the snat use case?18:15
SridarKSwami: on the ping test - from namespace - we probab should not do it that way - i am setting to do more tests on that area18:15
SridarKSumitNaiksatam: - yes above is that case18:15
SwamiSridarK: Yes that makes sense.18:15
SridarKSumitNaiksatam: i have been breaking my head and went back to legacy and saw that issue as well18:15
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: ah ok18:16
SridarKSumitNaiksatam: i then realized that since we are on the FORWARD chain we need to go from a VM on one net to another VM on another net18:16
SridarKSumitNaiksatam: i wish i could have finished that to validate18:16
SridarKSumitNaiksatam: yes brain function is now sub optimal :-)18:17
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: okay :-)18:17
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: so we need to apply in a different chain for the snat namespace?18:17
SridarKSumitNaiksatam: no we are good18:17
SridarKSumitNaiksatam: except we cannot source the traffic from the namespace - then it goes on the OUTPUT chain18:18
SridarKSumitNaiksatam: we don't need to cover that18:18
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: ok18:18
SridarKSumitNaiksatam: we just need to do the test differently18:18
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: ah ok18:18
SridarKSumitNaiksatam: if i validate that on single node - we can quickly validate that on ur setup as well18:19
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: do the test in the reverse direction?18:19
SridarKSumitNaiksatam: we have to have 2 nets18:19
SridarKSumitNaiksatam: and 1 vm in each18:19
SridarKand we have to do the traffic sourcing from one of the vms18:19
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: yeah18:19
SridarKSumitNaiksatam: but let me test this on my single node setup18:20
SridarKSumitNaiksatam: if that is good - we can do a quick run on the compute node use cases18:20
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: sure, may be after this meeting we can get together and test on my setup in parallel while you are testing your setup18:20
SwamiIn this case when you have two networks and try to ping between the vm's on network, how would you expect the traffic to go through the SNAT namespace.18:21
SridarKSuqyes18:21
SumitNaiksatamSwami: yeah, i was not sure about that18:21
SwamiAre you talking about external networks18:21
SumitNaiksatamsince traffic between two VMs is E-W which we are not targeting there18:21
SumitNaiksatamthere -> here18:21
SridarKSwami: i am creating the networks on the network node18:21
SridarKSwami:  aah yes18:21
SwamiIf it is not external network, the traffic will still go through the East-West routers.18:21
SridarKSwami: what we need is to forward thru the router18:22
SridarKSo we need to ping from a VM to an external entity18:22
SwamiYes, I think here it makes sense to ping from a VM to an external entity and not anything within the cloud.18:23
SridarKSwami: SumitNaiksatam yes what i said would be how we would handle the legacy case18:23
SridarKbut on the DVR case - that will not work - it is more of a negative test18:23
Swamigot it.18:23
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: so, there is only one outstanding issue?18:24
SridarKSwami: SumitNaiksatam - i guess we should not test from the namespace - that will not hit the forward chain18:24
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: okay18:24
SridarKSumitNaiksatam: yes i think if we can resolve the L3Agent restart case18:24
SwamiYes that makes sense.18:24
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: great18:24
SridarKSumitNaiksatam: we were not able to ping external last nigh18:25
SridarKSumitNaiksatam: more in terms of the setup18:25
SumitNaiksatamok so for everyone else reviewing - i think we should separate out the “nice to have concerns” from what is a show-stopper in the review comments18:25
SumitNaiksatami believe Sridark might post another patch18:26
SumitNaiksatamand can address some of the comments that are already there18:26
SumitNaiksatamother than that, please focus on critical issues with this patch18:26
badvelisridark: should we test it as a service node and compute node18:27
SumitNaiksatamthe patch can be tested on your laptop by starting two VMs18:27
SridarKbadveli: yes the single node and multinode18:27
SumitNaiksatambadveli: thats what we are doing, and were hoping you would be doing to :-)18:27
SumitNaiksatamto -> too18:27
badveliyes this what i am trying18:27
badveliapart from the firewall rules18:28
badveliinstallation properly18:28
badveliwe need to test the datapath18:28
SumitNaiksatamif you need the local.conf for the two VMs (network and compute node), please ping me18:28
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badvelithanks sumit18:28
SumitNaiksatambadveli: yes, we have been testing the data patch18:28
SumitNaiksatampatch -> path18:28
SumitNaiksatamthe compute node case is verified (when the FIP namespace is created)18:29
badveliping to external world should be able to hit the rules in either single node or multi node18:29
SumitNaiksatambadveli: yes, thats the theory18:29
badvelithanks sumit, i will let you know18:30
SumitNaiksatambadveli: thanks18:30
SridarKSumitNaiksatam: i think reaching something on the host was a problem for us correct18:30
SridarKthis is why we went into the namespace18:30
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: you mean for the compute node case?18:31
SridarKSumitNaiksatam: for either case18:31
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: we will never be able to reach the host from the outside in the SNAT case18:32
SridarKSumitNaiksatam: on the compute node we were able to see the rules taking effect when we pinged from the snat namespace18:32
SridarKSumitNaiksatam: yes we need some way to test that18:32
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: the connection has to be initiated from the inside in that case18:32
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: for the compute node we did not test from the service node (that is not required)18:33
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: we tested from the compute node itself18:33
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: the ping from the outside (that is from my laptop) to the floating IP, did not work18:33
SridarKSumitNaiksatam: yes we did it from the FIP ns18:33
SridarKso we hit the fwd chain18:34
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: but that might be an artifact of the networking setup on my latop18:34
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: however we tested the ping from the FIP namespace and it worked18:34
SridarKSumitNaiksatam: yes18:34
SridarKSwami: any recos for testing the snat ns18:34
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SwamiI don't do it from my laptop.18:35
SwamiThe laptop setup is just for testing the control plane.18:35
SridarKSwami: ok18:35
SwamiBut for snat setup I think we have a four node setup that we use in our testing.18:35
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SridarKSwami: u are tempting me to ask something :-)18:36
SridarKSwami: but i will wait18:36
SwamiIf you have two nic in your laptop you should be able to do it from your laptop, but I have not played around it.18:36
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SumitNaiksatamSwami: to ask the question a little differently18:37
SumitNaiksatamSwami: as badveli was pointing out earlier, would the SNAT case work exactly the same way regardless of one node or multi-node setup?18:37
SumitNaiksatamSwami: i am asking in the context of the firewall rule application18:37
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SumitNaiksatamSwami: because if that is the case, I think badveli has a physical machine configured18:38
SwamiSumitNaiksatam: Yes it would exactly the same way either single node or multinode, if it is configured for "dvr_snat".18:38
SumitNaiksatamSwami: sweet18:38
SumitNaiksatamSwami: and even in that case if we are to test on the laptop, you think we would need two nics?18:38
SumitNaiksatamSwami: i mean single node and “dvr_snat”18:39
SwamiJust to test the traffic flow going outside of your VM to external network.18:39
SumitNaiksatamSwami: yes18:39
SumitNaiksatamSwami: you are saying we need more than one nic?18:39
SwamiOtherwise to test the other options a single node should be sufficient enough.18:39
badveligood to hear18:40
SwamiIf you want to utilize the "br-ex" mapped to a physical network, then it would be great if you have two nics.18:40
SumitNaiksatamSwami: ok18:40
SwamiOne nic yu can use for management network and the other one for "external connectivity".18:40
badvelii have a physical machine with two nic18:40
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SumitNaiksatamSwami: good point, and that is where actually having the two nics on the VM itself would have helped18:41
SumitNaiksatamSwami: remember i was telling you the issue with the devstack18:41
SumitNaiksatamSwami: if its a single nic, then br-ex takes over the management nic18:41
SumitNaiksatamanyway, let me not cause confusion here18:42
SwamiYes there is a way in devstack configuration to point your br-ex to use a specific interface. I have tried it long back, but I don't recall it right now.18:42
SumitNaiksatamSwami: yeah, i was not doing that, and hence the issue18:43
SumitNaiksatamanyway18:43
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: are you comfortable with the discussion here (pending the 1 PM webex call)?18:43
SridarKSumitNaiksatam: yes18:43
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: nice18:43
SumitNaiksatamSwami: thanks18:43
SridarKSumitNaiksatam: we just need to get the traffic out so we can hit the rules18:43
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: lets catch up on that immediately after this meeting18:44
badvelii will try with my phsical server18:44
SridarKSumitNaiksatam: yes lets do that18:44
SumitNaiksatambadveli: thanks, yes we will need people to functionally test this18:44
SridarKbadveli: thanks18:44
SumitNaiksatamSwami: we might bug you :-P18:45
badvelithanks sridar, sumit, i will continue with a single node18:45
badvelino problem, do let me know18:45
SridarKThanks all for all the help18:45
SwamiSumitNaiksatam: no problems18:45
SumitNaiksatam#topic Open Discussion18:45
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Swamias far as I am not sleeping I will address your concerns.18:45
SridarKalso SumitNaiksatam many thanks - having a core help u with the testing is something awesome18:46
SumitNaiksatamSwami: great, thanks for making yourself available at odd hours18:46
badvelithanks swami18:46
SridarKSwami: i hope u will not need to change ur cell num18:46
SridarK:-)18:46
* SumitNaiksatam notes that Swami sleeps very late (going by yesterday’s conversation close to midnight), but does not want to stretch his luck too far! ;-P18:46
SwamiSridarK: You called my home phone last night18:46
SridarKSumitNaiksatam: +118:46
SumitNaiksatamSridarK: :-)18:46
SwamiSridarK: Use my cellphone if it is at night.18:47
SumitNaiksatamanything else we need to discuss?18:47
SridarKSwami: oh good god - sorry - i think i redialed from ur call without thinking - so sorry18:47
SumitNaiksatamgduan: natarajk: anything at your end?18:47
badvelithe meeting at 1:00 is it at irc18:47
SumitNaiksatambadveli: SridarK will setup webex18:47
SridarKbadveli: i will post u the location18:47
SumitNaiksatamwe might need to share screens18:47
badvelithanks sridar18:47
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Swamibye guys.18:49
SridarKSwami: thanks bye18:49
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SumitNaiksatamalright lets wrap up, and back to the trenches!18:49
SumitNaiksatamthanks all for attending18:49
SridarKok thanks18:50
SumitNaiksatam#endmeeting18:50
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SumitNaiksatamSridarK: badveli can i request you to be on #openstack-fwaas18:50
badveliyes18:53
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