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| carl_baldwin | hi all. L3 meeting. | 15:00 |
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| pcm_ | hi | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | pcm_: hi | 15:01 |
| yamamoto_ | hi | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | yamamoto_: hi | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 4 15:01:36 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:01 | |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | I’d like a short meeting today. | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | Juno-3 should be available today. I know the cut-offs are always difficult. | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | I did not get a chance to update the agenda on the wiki. I don’t know where the week went (actually I do, I took two days off.). | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | Any other announcements? | 15:03 |
| yamamoto_ | nothing from me | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic neutron-ovs-dvr | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "neutron-ovs-dvr (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:04 | |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: mrsmith: viveknarasimhan: armax: What is the latest on DVR? | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | the backlog was getting down and has creeped up a little bit in the last week or two. It still is pretty much under control though. | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | I think the reason for the creep was that we had our attention diverted to getting new features in to juno-3. | 15:07 |
| yamamoto_ | i wonder if there's much point to discuss dvr progress here while it has its own dedicated meeting | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | yamamoto_: We’ve needed it in the past but now that it is slowing and stabilizing, you may be right. | 15:07 |
| mrsmith | real quick - I am focused on the migration patch and the newly split up snat fixes patch | 15:08 |
| mrsmith | to me those are priorities | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | yamamoto_: Still, we report progress up through the L3 team so it is good to touch on it. | 15:08 |
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| yamamoto_ | carl_baldwin: fine. just wondering | 15:08 |
| mrsmith | the migration patch depends on the snat fixes so hopefully we will get those thru soon | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: Right. I think I will take my co-author line off of the snat patches so that I can +2 them. I’ve been thruogh them pretty thoroughly. | 15:09 |
| mrsmith | depends = it needs the fixes to fully function | 15:09 |
| mrsmith | carl_baldwin: gotcha | 15:09 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: understood. I will be hitting DVR bugs again as a priority (only behind wrapping up L3 HA). | 15:09 |
| yamamoto_ | carl_baldwin: isn't it better to find another core reviewer if you are actually a co-author? | 15:10 |
| mrsmith | I believe carl mostly just split up the big patch into smaller ones | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | yamamoto_: I was only an author in the sense that I split the original patch up and did very minor fixups. It was a bit of a stretch to add the co-author line, I’ll admit. | 15:10 |
| yamamoto_ | carl_baldwin: ok it makes sense. thank you | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | yamamoto_: You’re right though. Credit should be given where it is due. | 15:11 |
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| carl_baldwin | On the other hand, “It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit.” - Harry S. Truman (I think) | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | :) | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | Anyway, back to the meeting. | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | Anything more on DVR? | 15:12 |
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| yamamoto_ | nothing from me | 15:13 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic l3-high-availability | 15:13 |
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| carl_baldwin | amuller: Do you have a report? | 15:13 |
| amuller | Sylvain is addressing comments on the server side patches | 15:14 |
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| carl_baldwin | Welcome back, safchain | 15:14 |
| safchain | hi | 15:14 |
| amuller | I'm working on the agent patches, improving our functional tesitng | 15:14 |
| amuller | testing* | 15:14 |
| safchain | I'm addressing comments about the vr_ids management | 15:14 |
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| amuller | Maru and John Schwarz have been dealing with the inconsistent failures at the gate, and have already fixed it, but it'll take a while to merge because of the gate | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | safchain: Which patch? I didn’t notice the comments. | 15:15 |
| safchain | base classes | 15:15 |
| safchain | around the _set_vr_id method | 15:15 |
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| safchain | carl_baldwin, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64553 | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | safchain: right. I see it. | 15:16 |
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| carl_baldwin | That is good feedback. | 15:17 |
| safchain | carl_baldwin, so I introduced a new table for the allocations | 15:17 |
| amuller | Darragh O'Reilly reported an issue in the keepalived.conf after we add FIPs, trying to reproduce and test it | 15:18 |
| safchain | I mean vr_id allocation per ha network | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | safchain: Feel free to ping me if you need anything or when you have something ready for review. | 15:19 |
| amuller | Also we have a bug tag now and a bunch of bugs to go with: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=l3-ha | 15:19 |
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| amuller | some are closer to RFE | 15:19 |
| safchain | carl_baldwin, ok, thx | 15:19 |
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| carl_baldwin | amuller: I will start to work on triage and assigning importance. | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: Thanks for gathering them together and posting the query. | 15:20 |
| amuller | carl_baldwin: the feature is targeted to RC1 | 15:21 |
| amuller | when do we expect to merge the original 3 feature patches? | 15:21 |
| amuller | RC1 is too late imo | 15:21 |
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| amuller | we need to deal with stability, bugs, testing | 15:21 |
| amuller | RC1 is on the 25th | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: I agree. This is now my top priority to turn these reviews around. | 15:22 |
| amuller | alright | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | I feel the base classes patch is in pretty decent shape. | 15:23 |
| amuller | now that Sylvain is back it should go faster too | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | For the other two, I made my comments and I don’t feel that there are any hard issues in there from my perspective. | 15:23 |
| safchain | amuller, yes I hope | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | Please ping me as soon as new patches are ready for review so that we can turn them around quickly. | 15:24 |
| amuller | Sounds good | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: anything else? | 15:24 |
| amuller | working with Maru on the agent side failover functional test | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | #action carl_baldwin will triage L3 HA bugs | 15:25 |
| amuller | I think it's pretty cool, it's a step to having multiple L3 agents on a single machine | 15:25 |
| amuller | so we can test this in Tempest as well | 15:25 |
| amuller | also we've been talking about integration testing in-tree | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: That sounds cool. | 15:25 |
| amuller | if we can get multiple L3 agents up it'll help with that as well, should help DVR and L2pop as well | 15:25 |
| amuller | other features that require multiple agents | 15:25 |
| safchain | amuller, carl_baldwin yes that is really something that we need | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | I hope you can raise the bar for testing in the project. | 15:26 |
| amuller | it's all marun_ guiding things | 15:26 |
| amuller | Aiming for the failover testing in the next week-ish, and in-tree integration testing probably for early Kilo | 15:27 |
| amuller | That's it for me | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: Great, thanks for the update. | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic bgp-dynamic-routing | 15:28 |
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| yamamoto_ | was it deferred to kilo? | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | devvesa: ping | 15:29 |
| amuller | yamamoto_: it was | 15:29 |
| yamamoto_ | why? | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | yamamoto_: Reviewer bandwidth, really. | 15:30 |
| carl_baldwin | I guess it was more than that. Juno had a lot of work done in it and we can only pack so much in. | 15:30 |
| carl_baldwin | This will be our first priority to open up Kilo development. | 15:31 |
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| yamamoto_ | is it a candidate of neutron-incubator? | 15:32 |
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| carl_baldwin | yamamoto_: It was a candidate but I’ll admit that I’ve fallen a bit behind in the neutron incubator discussion. | 15:32 |
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| yamamoto_ | i just hope neutron-incubator stuff doesn't defer this further. | 15:33 |
| amotoki | it really depends on the community discussion. we also need to consider L3 is tightly coupled with L2 and many folks regard it as a part of core. | 15:34 |
| carl_baldwin | yamamoto_: If neutron-incubator is not ready, I will continue with dynamic routing in the main repository. | 15:34 |
| yamamoto_ | carl_baldwin: it makes sense | 15:35 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Kilo | 15:36 |
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| carl_baldwin | I don’t have much time to get in to it today but we should probably have Kilo in the back of our minds and start discussing what we would like the main themes to be. So, I’m going to add a Kilo topic to the weekly agenda. | 15:37 |
| seizadi | The design sessions are still not open, http://summit.openstack.org/ | 15:38 |
| amuller | Redesign the L3 agent, since we added distributed and HA routers it's an unmaintainable mess | 15:38 |
| yamamoto_ | seizadi: when it will? | 15:38 |
| amuller | I think that's a strong candidate for early Kilo | 15:38 |
| mrsmith | amuller: +1 refactor l3-agent | 15:39 |
| yamamoto_ | amuller: +1 | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: +1, I have had some refactors in mind myself. | 15:39 |
| amuller | structure it somehow, add more classes, enough with these 'if distributed, if not distributed, if ha, if not ha' nonsense | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | Hopefully we can have a good idea of where to start when Kilo opens. | 15:40 |
| amotoki | amuller: +1. I hope it includes vpn-agent merging into l3-agent. | 15:40 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: Exactly. | 15:40 |
| Swami | +1 | 15:40 |
| carl_baldwin | amotoki: vpn merging noted | 15:41 |
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| mrsmith | splitting up process_router() is another candidate | 15:42 |
| mrsmith | it is getting huge | 15:42 |
| amuller | we could start with that yeah | 15:42 |
| seizadi | yamamoto: I will post when I see it open, I thought if Carl finds out design summit schedule for Kilo through Openstack communication, we can discuss on this topic. | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: +1 | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | The ML will probably be the best place to watch for it to open. | 15:43 |
| yamamoto_ | mrsmith: +1 | 15:43 |
| carl_baldwin | It can’t be too much longer. We’ve only got two months until the summit. | 15:43 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Open Discussion | 15:44 |
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| carl_baldwin | Anything else? | 15:44 |
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| yamamoto_ | nothing from me | 15:44 |
| amotoki | one question on relationship between DVR and L3-HA. | 15:44 |
| amotoki | Are they exclusive? just confirmation. | 15:44 |
| amuller | for now, yes | 15:44 |
| amuller | we just didn't get to it yet | 15:45 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1365473 | 15:45 |
| amotoki | I am now planning to write a small patch in horizon and I need some constraint check for them. | 15:45 |
| amotoki | *small patch to support L3-HA | 15:45 |
| amuller | next patchset for the models patch should block the creation of a rotuer that's both HA and distributed | 15:45 |
| amuller | router* | 15:45 |
| seizadi | If anyone is on the IPv6 subcommittee I like to talk to them we are having trouble with IPv6 integration. I looked at their meeting notes but not much notes. | 15:46 |
| mrsmith | rajeev wanted me to ask for reviewers on a couple of his patches | 15:46 |
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| mrsmith | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116412/ | 15:47 |
| mrsmith | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112146/23 | 15:47 |
| amotoki | i think sc68cal is the right contact. | 15:48 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: noted | 15:48 |
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| carl_baldwin | Okay, my time is up. I’ll be back online in a bit. | 15:49 |
| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 15:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:49 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 4 15:49:15 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2014/neutron_l3.2014-09-04-15.01.html | 15:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2014/neutron_l3.2014-09-04-15.01.txt | 15:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2014/neutron_l3.2014-09-04-15.01.log.html | 15:49 |
| yamamoto_ | bye | 15:49 |
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| carl_baldwin | thanks everyone. | 15:50 |
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| amotoki | bye | 15:55 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hi | 18:00 |
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| 6A4AAKDJG | hi | 18:00 |
| yyywu | hi | 18:00 |
| LouisF | hi | 18:01 |
| songole | hello | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok lets get started | 18:01 |
| ivar-lazzaro | yo | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 4 18:01:17 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron_Group_Policy | 18:01 |
| 6A4AAKDJG | Am I showing up as 6A4AAKDJG ? Its rkukura, actually. | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | 6A4AAKDJG: wow! how did you manage that? ;-) | 18:02 |
| 6A4AAKDJG | SumitNaiksatam: No idea! I’m going to disconnect and reconnect. | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | wanted to do a quick status update on the patches which are in gerrit | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron_Group_Policy/Patches | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Neutron patches | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Neutron patches (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:02 | |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong had been working on the SG mapping piece | 18:03 |
| rkukura | hi again | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: no we recognize you, welcome back | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: any update from last week? | 18:03 |
| rkukura | identity crisis ;) | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think s3wong is wrapping up a few things on the GPM-RMD-SG patch | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | meanwhile, the series had gotten messed up because of some rebases | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yesterday night we fixed that | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so now everything should be back where we left off | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and is rebased with the latest | 18:05 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | nice! | 18:05 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Thanks! I’ll sanity check my patches when I get a chance. | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes definitely | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: thanks for pointing it out | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the last patch in the series is #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113775 | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so s3wong mentioned that there was something wrong with the UTs which he did not catch earlier | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hence its failing | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i did not have a chance to look in the details | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Client/CLI | 18:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | songole: there? | 18:07 |
| songole | Hi | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: any updates, or the current set of patches is stable? | 18:08 |
| songole | No updates to CLI. | 18:08 |
| songole | Naming changes need to be done. | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: so its rebased and everything? | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: naming changes have not happened at the backend | 18:08 |
| songole | Need to rebase. | 18:09 |
| songole | ok | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: so you wont be able to do it anyway :-) | 18:09 |
| songole | ok | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: okay, it will be great if you can rebase when you get a chance | 18:09 |
| songole | Anyone had a chance to test CLI? | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: plan to give that a shot, but i thought horizon was already leveraging the client | 18:10 |
| rms_13 | songole: I did two weeks back | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: so some level of automatic validation already done | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: yes, thanks | 18:10 |
| rms_13 | and it looked ok | 18:10 |
| songole | ok. thanks | 18:10 |
| s3wong | sorry, in late | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: thanks for the update | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: no worries, i provided update on your behalf | 18:11 |
| rms_13 | Didnt get to test all of it but whatever is there in horizon so far was working fine after rebase | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: but feel free to chime in | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: thanks, will come to the Horizon update next as well | 18:11 |
| s3wong | yes, as SumitNaiksatam said, I believe all the test failures indicates that the unit test is probably broken, so I will look into that | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yes, no worries | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: thanks | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: thanks as well for the update on CLI/client | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Horizon | 18:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: go ahead | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any updates? | 18:13 |
| rms_13 | I need to rebase my patch | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: ah, was just saying | 18:13 |
| rms_13 | Somebody needs to review the baseline changes | 18:13 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: but other than that, to what extent is the UI functional? | 18:13 |
| rms_13 | So that grunt work can start as part of add-on patches | 18:13 |
| rms_13 | Policy-Group, Policy-rules, Contract, Action (CRUD) | 18:14 |
| rms_13 | Update is not part of the current patch but have it ready in private patch. Once that looks good to all, as I said earlier, other resources can be added in similar fashion | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: was abishek helping you with the reviews? | 18:15 |
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| rms_13 | So far no updates from him | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: ok | 18:16 |
| rms_13 | Nati also wanted to take a look...no updates from him either | 18:16 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: so you are looking for input from a code review perspective, or feedback on the UI organization? | 18:16 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: i am guessing its both | 18:17 |
| rms_13 | Both together...basically I think the organization is correct. But than; I dont want to code another 3000 lines and get -2 saying the org is wrong :) | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: true | 18:17 |
| rms_13 | First major validation/approval I need is that Group Policy tab can seat in main panel rather than network's panel (as we demoed at Atlanta) | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: that said i think it will be difficult to get reviewer attention late in the Juno cycle | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: okay, valid concerns | 18:19 |
| rms_13 | I understand. Have some idea about that. Will share it on the email for more discussion | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: yeah, i was going to suggest that if you can summarize your concerns and the items that you are soliciting feedback on, that will be great | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: we can then try to close on those online/offline | 18:20 |
| rms_13 | sure will do... | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: great, thanks! | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Heat | 18:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | susaant: hi there | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | susaant: any updates at your end? | 18:20 |
| susaant | I dont have any updates on heat patches | 18:21 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | susaant: okay, the patch seems to have failed some UTs | 18:21 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | susaant: is that a minor issue? | 18:21 |
| susaant | yes. Thats because the GBP neutron resources are not present.. | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | susaant: ah got it | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | susaant: so in a private devstack setup, this works | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | private -> local | 18:22 |
| s3wong | hmm... obviously we bored banix enough for him to leave :-) | 18:22 |
| susaant | that is correct. | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | susaant: okay great thanks | 18:22 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic GBP repo/home discussion | 18:23 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/044834.html | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the above email was sent on behalf of the team | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and captures some of the options that were or have been suggested | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any thoughts? | 18:24 |
| prasadv | SumitNaiksatam: thanks for the email. | 18:25 |
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| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: the Neutron feature idea never picked up any momentum, are we still considering it? | 18:25 |
| rkukura | s3wong: Do you mean the “feature branch” idea? | 18:26 |
| rms_13 | I was reading on the incubator program wiki (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Incubator) | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: i am not aware what the current status on that is | 18:26 |
| s3wong | rkukura: yes (sorry for mssing a word) | 18:26 |
| rkukura | s3wong: Or the preview subtree idea, which isn’t even listed. | 18:26 |
| s3wong | rkukura: feature branch | 18:26 |
| rkukura | I spoke with our PTL, mestery, yesterday, and he indicated that feature branches are being planned | 18:26 |
| s3wong | rkukura: oh, really? | 18:27 |
| rkukura | That’s what I said | 18:27 |
| prasadv | rkukura: when would the planned branch happen | 18:27 |
| s3wong | rkukura: in that case, it is only applicable for Neutron features that can be packaged and lived completely isolated from Neutron | 18:27 |
| prasadv | would it have same non dterministic behaviour as incubaotr | 18:28 |
| s3wong | rkukura: which GBP so far is | 18:28 |
| LouisF | s3wong: what sort of features? | 18:28 |
| s3wong | LouisF: something like GBP, I believe | 18:28 |
| rkukura | To me, advantage of the feature branch option are: 1) clear path into neutron on graduation, 2) no loss of git history on graduation | 18:29 |
| LouisF | s3wong: is there precedent for feature branches? | 18:29 |
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| rms_13 | What is the procedure on code review on feature branch? Any decision on that yet? | 18:30 |
| s3wong | LouisF: as rkukura said above, it is an idea from mestery at this point | 18:30 |
| rkukura | Concerns I’ve heard raised are: 1) no CI for existing non-master branches (stable branches), and 2) not clear if existing packaging for stable branches is applicable/adequate for feature branches | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: until “graduation” would the feature live in isolation (that is the feature branch, if packaged, has to be packaged all by itself, essentially a fork)? | 18:31 |
| prasadv | rkukura: wont (1) and (2) be the same for incubation or stackforge? | 18:31 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I think that depends if the branch is purely additive or modifies code from master/stable branches | 18:32 |
| LouisF | s3wong: rkukura so feature branches are a completely new idea? | 18:32 |
| s3wong | LouisF: yes, it doesn't exist today | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: true, so for example if two features are developed in paralled features branches, then you can essentially only deploy one of them from a package, right? | 18:33 |
| rkukura | I’m only familiar with Red Hat’s packaging process (worked there previously), but I see no reason any number of purely additive feature branches could not be packaged to depend on the normal neutron packages. | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | prasadv: to your question, #link http://ci.openstack.org/stackforge.html states that stackforge projects have jenkins continuous integration support | 18:34 |
| rms_13 | In all these approaches, I am very concern about the merge into neutron (so called graduation time). There possibly would be huge patches needed to be reviewed and regressed (one for every feature) and that will take lot of review time of cores. Any clear path defined to handle those? | 18:35 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: my take is that the way people have been discussing incubator, it sounds like they want it to be separate package also - though perhaps everything in incubator is one package, instead of say a GBP package and a LBaaSv2 package | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay, but probably related features are likely to have some overlap | 18:36 |
| rkukura | rms_13: I think either the incubator or feature branch option involves core reviews on the way in, so re-review on graduation would be minimal | 18:36 |
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| rms_13 | rkukura: thats a good hope. But typically everybody is excited to see a new kid and wants to give blessings or two :) | 18:37 |
| s3wong | rkukura: in that case, what is the major difference between incubator and feature branches - that each feature will occupy a branch (and separate packaging)? | 18:37 |
| rms_13 | Unless there is a stringent requirement that re-review MUST be minimal (or by those cores only involved from incubation phase); I am not too confident that that would happen. | 18:38 |
| rkukura | s3wong: Main difference is that graduation of a feature branch is just a merge, preserving git histrory (I think) | 18:38 |
| rms_13 | All I want to suggest is that we should push hard for strict rules on that front. Nothing else | 18:38 |
| s3wong | rms_13: Agreed. I can definitely see another "-2: too large" or "-2: lack consensus" type situation | 18:39 |
| rms_13 | s3wong: +100 | 18:39 |
| rkukura | s3wong, rms_13: The graduation hurdle is definitely a risk with any of the options, but only the feature branch option preserves history. | 18:40 |
| songole | rkukura: in that sense, stackforge is not an option | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so it seems like the only difference between the feature branch and the incubator is with the ease in preservation of git history | 18:40 |
| rkukura | I think the hurdle to get into neutron is signfiicantly higher with the stackforge option than any of the others. | 18:41 |
| rkukura | But there are no guarantees with any of them, meaning we could end up as a separate project. | 18:41 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the process and policies would be similar for both (i am just summarizing based on the information presented above, i havent seen a wiki yet) | 18:41 |
| rms_13 | rkukura: Agree. If and only if the merging guidelines is clearly defined (including review scheme) | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: i dont think anyone can gaurantee a merge :-) | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: it is an inherently subjective area | 18:42 |
| rms_13 | SumitNaiksatam: Than better do it on stackforge | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the principle of loose consensus allows for negative votes at any time in the liefcycle | 18:42 |
| rkukura | The one thing I think there is agreement on in all of these discussions is that forking into a separate repo is way easier than merging into an existing one. | 18:43 |
| s3wong | rkukura: SumitNaiksatam: if the main goal is to allow users to use it, is GBP being part of Neutron really that important? | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: that is good point, and Octavia, I believe has taken that view | 18:43 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: they want to iterate faster, and provide something useable and put it into people’s hands | 18:44 |
| rkukura | s3wong: If we see tight coupling, as in living in the same process as neutorn, intercepting neutron requests, and ML2 mechanism drivers working closely with policy drivers, being part of neutron seems essential. | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i also think that the approaches we are discussing are perhaps not mutually exclusive | 18:44 |
| rms_13 | s3wong, SumitNaiksatam: Good points. Lets say we take octavia like route. How does interaction with other openstack system works in that case? | 18:45 |
| rkukura | But as I understand it, octavia is a separate thing, basically a reference implementation of a load balancer datapath. | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: in the same way, taht for example nova interacts with neutron | 18:45 |
| rkukura | To me the neutron/octavia interface isn’t that different than the neutron/ODL interface or even the nova/KVM interface. | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i agree, octavia is not in the same zip code as a feature as GBP is | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i brought up the analogy from a process perspective (in terms of being able to iterate faster and deliver to something usable) in response to s3wong’s point | 18:47 |
| rkukura | We could certainly decide that GBP should be a separate project with its own server than uses neutron via python-neutronclient, and go in that direction | 18:47 |
| s3wong | rkukura: people in Octavia project (and LBaaSv2 project) has plan to spin out the entire LBaaS from Neutron | 18:48 |
| s3wong | rkukura: and what is missing is a clean interface for how LBaaS uses Neutron | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: and we tried hard to fix that :-) | 18:48 |
| rkukura | s3wong: Or how neutron uses LBaaS (if neutron is policy-based and controls load balancing via actions) | 18:49 |
| s3wong | rkukura: thinking of NOT having GBP in Neutron can also get us to think about what external interfaces does Neutron lack | 18:49 |
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| rms_13 | s3wong: +1 | 18:50 |
| prasadv | s3wong: That is a good point | 18:50 |
| rkukura | To me, separate projects implies separate servers in separate processes with separate REST APIs. Is that others’ understanding as well? | 18:51 |
| s3wong | rkukura: yes | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: you are asking the GBP context? | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: or a general question? | 18:52 |
| rms_13 | rkukura: yes | 18:52 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: general, but with implications for GBP if we were to decide graduation into neutron was no longer a goal. | 18:53 |
| prasadv | SumitNaiksatam: would stackforge imply also we could get GBP into J timeframe. Seems like the other options might not make it within J timeframe isnt it | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:53 |
| rkukura | I would think setting up a new project with its own WSGI/REST framework would take significant time, and not be anything but a WIP at Juno release. | 18:54 |
| s3wong | prasadv: well, stackforge will take at least two cycles to go from incubation to mainline | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | prasadv: i havent worked through a stackforge myself, there is an application process involved (i believe its just a gerrit review) | 18:54 |
| s3wong | prasadv: but then again, we aren't making it to J timeframe anyway | 18:55 |
| rkukura | Or are we talking about a service plugin in stackforge, that is not a separate project/server/process from neutron? | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes, i think we need to work through those options better | 18:55 |
| rkukura | My view is that we could merge our stuff to a fearture branch off of Juno-3 or Juno-RC1, then rebase this to Juno at about the time Juno ships. | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: if i understood prasadv correctly, he was not asking about incubatiio, he was just asking when can you get a package ready? :-) | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *incubation and graduation | 18:56 |
| rkukura | So is “stackforge” really two different options: service plugin vs. stand-alone service? | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: perhaps | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: so lets if lbaas were to spin out today | 18:57 |
| songole | is lbaasv2 being implemented as a service plugin in stackforge? | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i think they would have to consider the same choice, right? | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: currently lbaasv2 is not in stackforge | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: it was proposed in neutron, but its in the same boat as GBP | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: they are evaluating the options | 18:58 |
| songole | ok | 18:59 |
| s3wong | songole: it isn't in stackforge yet | 18:59 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I agree for the LBaSSv2 REST API, but octavia as a datapath is inherently a separate process (or VM?) isn’t it? | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: what is in stackforge is Octavia, which is more of a driver/reference implemenation for lbaas | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: true | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: but i was saying in the context of the discussion in the ML | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: wherein people are accepting that the different services will be spun out into separate projects | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: eventually | 19:00 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: yep, only Octavia is in stackforge, but Octavia follows LBaaSv2, and therefore it is a bit hairy | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yes thanks | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay folks we have hit the hour | 19:01 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: so there is a LBaaS email thread that is talking about whether they should pull LBaaSv2 off there also | 19:01 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Do you mean as service plugins in separate projects, or new as new services? | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | was only hoping to seed the discussion | 19:01 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: yeah, no way to finalize on our plan during this meeting :-) | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i am not sure, but what i meant was that they will be faced with the same choice or dilema that we have are discussing now | 19:01 |
| rkukura | My view is that neutron-server (and the neutron project) should be the API and orchestration layer, and not include any datapaths. | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yes there is an email thread to that effect | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: true, but neutron has also has a narrow defintion of what that API should be | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: so that opens up bigger questions | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | alrighty folks | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets wrap it here | 19:03 |
| prasadv | SumitNaiksatam: seems like we need to decide soon on the options soon right? | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and continue on the ML | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | prasadv: yes sure | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | prasadv: lets leverage the ML as well | 19:03 |
| s3wong | prasadv: yes, but I believe any option would at least take two cycles | 19:03 |
| rkukura | It sounds to me like mestery and markmcclain are trying to nail down feature branch details like CI and packaging as we speak | 19:03 |
| prasadv | s3wong: for graduation right? | 19:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | it will be good to let the community know where the GBP is leaning (or what the technical choices and pros/cons are) | 19:04 |
| s3wong | incubator as defined by markmcclain takes two cycles to graduate | 19:04 |
| s3wong | prasadv: yes | 19:04 |
| prasadv | s3wong: ok. But which option will get us in front of customers faster | 19:04 |
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| prasadv | I think that should be important | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | prasadv: point well taken | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | on that note, lets end for today | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:05 |
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| rkukura | prasadv: agreed that’s a major consideration | 19:05 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 4 19:05:10 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:05 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-09-04-18.01.html | 19:05 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-09-04-18.01.txt | 19:05 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-09-04-18.01.log.html | 19:05 |
| rkukura | bye | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all for joining | 19:05 |
| songole | bye | 19:05 |
| rkukura | thanks SumitNaiksatam ! | 19:05 |
| s3wong | prasadv: I think all three options, you can bundle a different package and ship it to customers | 19:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: apologies for cutting that thought | 19:05 |
| s3wong | thanks, guys | 19:05 |
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| rkukura | lets move this to the ML, right? | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes sure | 19:06 |
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