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| Piet | Yeah | 17:05 |
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| jacalcat | #openstack-ux | 17:05 |
| Piet | Is this the UX team meeting? | 17:06 |
| tsufiev | Piet, the wiki says so | 17:08 |
| Piet | Thats what I thought. Why wouldn't we just use the OpenStack UX channel? | 17:09 |
| tsufiev | Piet, well, for high traffic channel like #openstack-horizon using a separate channel for meetings makes sense, but openstack-ux is much more quiet, so... | 17:10 |
| Piet | For anyone that is interested, we are working on a Visual Design Guideline for Horizon. The intent is to guidance on UX patterns for Horizon. | 17:10 |
| tsufiev | guess this channel reason it's logged? | 17:10 |
| david-lyle | #startmeeting UX | 17:11 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 27 17:11:07 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:11 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:11 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ux' | 17:11 |
| david-lyle | Seems like there's enough people | 17:11 |
| david-lyle | I don't see an agenda, so... | 17:12 |
| david-lyle | #topic Open Discussion | 17:12 |
| Piet | So, it looks as though Jaromir isn't able to attend. Are there any complaints if I go ahead and drive the meeting? Or would someone else like to? | 17:12 |
| tsufiev | enough people, but they are quite short-spoken ) | 17:12 |
| david-lyle | haha | 17:12 |
| david-lyle | go for it Piet | 17:12 |
| david-lyle | I just started the meeting | 17:13 |
| david-lyle | so the log is running | 17:13 |
| david-lyle | #chair Piet | 17:13 |
| openstack | Current chairs: Piet david-lyle | 17:13 |
| david-lyle | Piet you are now a chair as well | 17:13 |
| david-lyle | you can set topics etc | 17:13 |
| Piet | So, we are working on a Visual Design Specification to help UI devs, designers, etc adhere to Horizon pattersn. The URL is https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1OKy_oXZQSg8Feo0p6Es7giR6a-w_CK8H03D2R2yAUjs/edit#slide=id.g3637a7faf_084 | 17:13 |
| Piet | Please review and provide feedback. | 17:14 |
| tsufiev | Piet, that's exactly what I've been searching for couple of hours ago at #openstack-ux :)! | 17:14 |
| Piet | Excellent! | 17:15 |
| Piet | We also have an assets library with png images of common Horizon controls and patterns. Let me know if you would like a copy. | 17:15 |
| Piet | I will be posting a link to the Visual Design Spec and Assets Library to the UX wiki by tis afternoon | 17:16 |
| tsufiev | Piet, aren't they contained in Horizon repo? Or you mean specific assets for designers creating some mock-ups? | 17:16 |
| Piet | Specifically, for designers creating mocks | 17:17 |
| hinnant_ | We should add that as a linked folder in google docs, link it from the pattern document | 17:17 |
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| Piet | For example, we have one that can be used with Balsamiq | 17:17 |
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| Piet | Sounds good - I can take care of that | 17:18 |
| Piet | Also, Invision has agreed to allow the community to post mocks to their tool for review. Pls reach-out to me if you would like an account. | 17:19 |
| Piet | We already have some cool stuff for the Details Page, Launch Instance, etc that could use reviews from the community | 17:20 |
| tsufiev | Piet, david-lyle: speaking of openstack.invisionapp.com (btw, thanks, I've received an invite) is it now an official way of sharing mock-ups? | 17:20 |
| Piet | Newp - its the "unofficial" way to share mocks | 17:21 |
| david-lyle | I wouldn't say it's official. But it may be an effective way, since we are missing an official way | 17:21 |
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| tsufiev | I've been thinking about sharing mock-ups for Merlin UI for Mistral (as soon as mock-ups are ready) on it... | 17:21 |
| Piet | Exactly- I'm looking to build momentum - we really need a good platform for reviews | 17:22 |
| david-lyle | The search for a common open tool has not produced a clear answer | 17:22 |
| tsufiev | guess, it would be better to start with something finally :) | 17:23 |
| Piet | Agreed - felt like we were floundering a bit | 17:23 |
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| tsufiev | david-lyle, is there some time at summit scheduled for live discussion of mock-ups? | 17:25 |
| tsufiev | I mean, at the Horizon section... | 17:25 |
| jacalcat | I agree, this seems like a good approach. We will look into sharing things this way as well. | 17:25 |
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| david-lyle | http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/horizon | 17:26 |
| Piet | Feel free to reach-out if you would like to join Invision | 17:26 |
| david-lyle | there is a UX session | 17:26 |
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| david-lyle | Ju should be coordinating with others | 17:26 |
| david-lyle | julim: that is | 17:26 |
| julim | ack david-lyle | 17:27 |
| tsufiev | okay | 17:27 |
| julim | will reach out to folks | 17:27 |
| david-lyle | if there is not enough time in the UX/Horizon session, we can share them in the open Horizon session of Friday | 17:27 |
| hinnant_ | great, I think it'll be great to have a good conversation about the current design mocks and direction | 17:27 |
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| Piet | Jeff, can you talk about the personas? | 17:29 |
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| david-lyle | just a thought, but someone else acting as co-chair for this meeting on the wiki while lblanchard is out would help | 17:30 |
| Piet | I don't mind if everyone else agress | 17:31 |
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| david-lyle | works for me | 17:31 |
| jacalcat | About Personas | 17:32 |
| Piet | k _ I'll reach out to you later about is required | 17:32 |
| david-lyle | +1 | 17:32 |
| david-lyle | go jacalcat | 17:32 |
| jacalcat | We have a framework on the wiki | 17:32 |
| jacalcat | The key ideas are that they are organized around types of ecosystems, which are either applications or types of companies working together | 17:33 |
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| jacalcat | We have a lot of placeholders for personas we think exist, that need some content | 17:34 |
| julim | david-lyle… sdoyle will be co-chair for this mtg too | 17:34 |
| Piet | Should we move them off the wiki and back to google docs? | 17:34 |
| jacalcat | Google docs for personas? | 17:34 |
| julim | I've got to step out for a bit and will be back in a couple hours (doctor's appointment...apologies) | 17:34 |
| jacalcat | I think they are OK there. I think what I hacked together in the wiki is workable. It mainly needs contributions. | 17:35 |
| Piet | Yeah - the thing about the wiki is that you have such little control over the design and layout of the Persona documents | 17:35 |
| jacalcat | True, Google docs forces everything into an awkward linear format | 17:36 |
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| Piet | Jeff, what kind of feedback are you looking for? | 17:37 |
| jacalcat | I think it makes sense to come up with the content first, then we can turn it into a website. | 17:37 |
| jacalcat | 1. Do the ecosystems and personas we have ring true with your org? | 17:38 |
| jacalcat | 2. Fill in the placeholders with whatever info you have (and make sure that you reflect that in the status and data sources fields | 17:38 |
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| jacalcat | That would be the two main things | 17:39 |
| Piet | One point of feedback is that we don't have enough information for the specific personas. I remember that we had a lot of really good dimensions that were created during the Austin meeting | 17:39 |
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| Piet | For example, orgnizational change culture, need for customization in Horizon, size fo cloud, etc. | 17:40 |
| jacalcat | Right. Those are mainly reflections of the company or the ecosystem, and I was hoping we could reflect those in the companies. | 17:42 |
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| Piet | Are we going completely away from using individuals and just using companies? | 17:43 |
| jacalcat | I think that is OK. We can put whatever we know and reflect that in the state. | 17:43 |
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| Piet | k | 17:44 |
| jacalcat | I think its both. | 17:44 |
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| Piet | Should we have an offsite to work on them? | 17:44 |
| jacalcat | I think that would be good, but probably not until 2015 at this point. | 17:44 |
| jacalcat | This is the wiki page I started: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStack_Personas | 17:45 |
| Piet | k | 17:45 |
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| Piet | Would anyone else on the team be interested in attending a persona offsite? | 17:46 |
| jacalcat | CNBB securities is the best reflection of one fleshed out: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CNBB_Securities_Comany_Overview | 17:46 |
| jacalcat | TBD Medium-Sized IT service provider providing Cloud Services is a good reflection of the number of personas that might be involved: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TBD_Medium-Sized_IT_service_provider_providing_Cloud_Services | 17:47 |
| hinnant_ | jacalcat: will the personas in CNBB potentially the same persona in another company? | 17:47 |
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| Piet | Everyone, please review Jeff's work and provide feedback. | 17:48 |
| jacalcat | That's one of the questions that comes up with this approach. They might be very similar and we might share content between them, but I would keep them separate. | 17:49 |
| Piet | I would hope there would be some consistency in the personas. It would be interesting to show how the same role might change based on the environment. | 17:49 |
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| jacalcat | I think the end users will likely be the same for some of them, but would change going from a test and development environment to a production environment. | 17:49 |
| Piet | We could take the IBM approach and combine or separate roles based on the company | 17:50 |
| hinnant_ | So, they would change their needs and activitiy, but be the same persona - right? | 17:50 |
| Piet | #hinnant - yes | 17:51 |
| Piet | It might be easier to think of them as roles rather than personas | 17:52 |
| Piet | Eight minutes left...anything else that needs to be discussed? | 17:52 |
| jacalcat | I would say, give them different names, but they might be essentially the same persona. | 17:52 |
| jacalcat | Because they might diverge based on validation. | 17:53 |
| jacalcat | Another question on a different topic. Is there a way to join in the design discussions at the summit remotely? | 17:53 |
| Piet | How are we going to validate? | 17:54 |
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| Piet | David, is it possible to attend remotely? | 17:54 |
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| Piet | Any other topics? | 17:57 |
| david-lyle | remote presents some difficulty, if someone wants to open a google chat or hangout that can work | 17:58 |
| david-lyle | if it gets to large, can be problematic | 17:58 |
| david-lyle | *too | 17:58 |
| jacalcat | I can't go but would appreciate if someone could do that. | 17:58 |
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| david-lyle | I don't think I'll have the bandwidth personally to set that up, but I can ask those present | 17:59 |
| david-lyle | but it would be nice to have that arranged beforehand | 18:00 |
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| david-lyle | time's up | 18:00 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 27 18:00:16 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ux/2014/ux.2014-10-27-17.11.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ux/2014/ux.2014-10-27-17.11.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ux/2014/ux.2014-10-27-17.11.log.html | 18:00 |
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