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| s1rp | o/ | 15:01 |
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| vladikr | Hi | 15:01 |
| apmelton | o/ | 15:01 |
| sew | o/ | 15:03 |
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| danpb | #startmeeting libvirt | 15:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 28 15:05:57 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is danpb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: libvirt)" | 15:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'libvirt' | 15:06 |
| * danpb curses DST shifts | 15:06 | |
| vladikr | :) | 15:06 |
| danpb | anyone here for the libvirt meeting besides vladikr | 15:06 |
| apmelton | o/ | 15:06 |
| apmelton | s1rp: sew are around as well | 15:07 |
| mjturek | o/ | 15:07 |
| sew | o/ | 15:07 |
| danpb | ok, so only 3 topics in agenda all from vladikr so far | 15:08 |
| danpb | #topic Multiple vnic drivers per guest | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Multiple vnic drivers per guest (Meeting topic: libvirt)" | 15:09 | |
| danpb | vladikr: go ahead | 15:09 |
| vladikr | thanks | 15:09 |
| vladikr | I was trying to figure out what would be the best way to select drivers for vnics (when there is more then one in a guest) | 15:09 |
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| vladikr | Currently, we have only an image property to select the hw_vif_model. | 15:09 |
| vladikr | So, there is no way to set both virtio and vhost_user, for example, on the same guest.. Unless, I'm missing something. | 15:09 |
| vladikr | I was thinking that the easiest way would be to set it as past of nova boot -nic, as you've suggested to do with the vhost queues, | 15:10 |
| vladikr | but I'm not sure if people will be happy with the end users being able to select vnic drivers from the api ..? :/ | 15:10 |
| vladikr | If not, maybe, settings in the extra_specs would do? | 15:10 |
| vladikr | I was thinking about : | 15:10 |
| vladikr | * hw:net_devices=NN - number of network devices to configure. | 15:10 |
| vladikr | * hw:net_device.0=name - Driver for device 1 | 15:10 |
| vladikr | * hw:net_device_opt.0=<options-list> - List of options for device 1 | 15:10 |
| vladikr | * hw:net_device.1=name - Driver for device 2 | 15:10 |
| vladikr | * hw:net_device_opt.1=<options-list> - List of options for device 2 | 15:10 |
| vladikr | or maybe setting it in neutron binding would be better? | 15:11 |
| vladikr | binding:vif_model = 'e1000'? | 15:11 |
| vladikr | don't know if it make sense | 15:11 |
| danpb | why would we ever want to support multiple drivers | 15:11 |
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| vladikr | danpb, actually it came from please who are interested in ivshmem based nics | 15:12 |
| danpb | i've never seen anyone use anything other than the "best" nic for their needs | 15:12 |
| vladikr | and apparently they need virtio as well | 15:12 |
| danpb | afaik the ivshmem based NICs are something that is implemented outside the scope of libvirt/qemu | 15:13 |
| danpb | from libvirt/qemu's POV you are just providing an ivshmem device to the guest | 15:13 |
| danpb | the fact that they run a networking protocol over this shared memory device is invisible to libvit/qemu (and thus to Nova too) | 15:13 |
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| danpb | in general i think the ivshmem integration for nova will require a blueprint + spec before we can consider it | 15:15 |
| danpb | so probably isn;t something we need to get into details for here | 15:16 |
| vladikr | currently yes, but if i'm not mistaken there was something new from 6wind, not sure, but they were asking about the multinic approach and I couldn't figure out what would be they best | 15:16 |
| vladikr | ok | 15:16 |
| danpb | if you do see any blueprint/spec submitted about it just point me to it | 15:17 |
| danpb | #topic "preferred" NUMA policy | 15:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ""preferred" NUMA policy (Meeting topic: libvirt)" | 15:18 | |
| vladikr | danpb, yes, this came up as well, recently, I was wondering if it make sense to configure it now, considering the recent work | 15:19 |
| danpb | so (by accident) we weren't setting any memory policy | 15:19 |
| danpb | i submitted a patch yesterday to fix that by setting a strict policy | 15:19 |
| vladikr | yea | 15:20 |
| danpb | the problem with allowing a preferred policy is that nova's accounting for memory usage based on what we configured for the guest | 15:20 |
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| danpb | so if we set a "preferred" policy and the kernel then allocates from a non-local NUMA node, nova's accounting of allocation is going to be wrong | 15:20 |
| danpb | so the schedular will think a node has free space when it does not in fact have space | 15:20 |
| danpb | and thus make bad scheduling placement decisions | 15:21 |
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| vladikr | right, I was curious if this is something we should try solving or it's not worth the effort? don't really know what is the use case | 15:24 |
| danpb | personally i'd not bother with it unless someone appears with a compelling use case for why we need it | 15:24 |
| vladikr | danpb, ok :) thanks | 15:24 |
| danpb | the numa stuff is already fairly complex, so we should try to minimize adding extra features unless clearly needed | 15:25 |
| danpb | #topic transparent spice proxy | 15:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "transparent spice proxy (Meeting topic: libvirt)" | 15:25 | |
| vladikr | ok | 15:26 |
| vladikr | A while ago, it was discussed, how to enable the spice/vnc native clients connect to the hosts, not using the web sockets. | 15:26 |
| danpb | i dunno if you've spoken to them already, but about 6 months back the spice upstream devs did propose some changes for this | 15:26 |
| vladikr | oh | 15:26 |
| vladikr | no | 15:26 |
| danpb | basically the spice client has built-in ability to do http tunnelling | 15:26 |
| danpb | so they were wondeirng how to just enable use of that directly | 15:26 |
| danpb | we had some disagreements about the design at the time, and then i think they had other higher priority things to look at | 15:27 |
| danpb | so might be worth talking to them again about it | 15:27 |
| danpb | i think they might actually be at the summit next week | 15:27 |
| danpb | christophe Fergeau and marc-andre are the people to speak with | 15:28 |
| vladikr | danpb, I see, yea, I'll definitely ping some one about it | 15:28 |
| vladikr | ah, doubt that I'll be there | 15:28 |
| vladikr | I wrote an extension to the current spice proxy, that reserves a dedicated port, provides it to the client and sets the iptables(dnat, snat)/firewalld forwarding | 15:29 |
| danpb | ok, well just mail them or the spice mailing list | 15:29 |
| vladikr | o the guest's host port. | 15:29 |
| vladikr | I was wondering, if that would be useful if I'll try to push it upstream | 15:29 |
| vladikr | but if they already have something, it probably better to go with their solution | 15:29 |
| danpb | #topic Open Discussion | 15:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: libvirt)" | 15:30 | |
| danpb | s1rp: you mentioned about the NoopMounter patch on review | 15:30 |
| danpb | was there a previous posting of this ? | 15:30 |
| danpb | i could have sworn there was something like this posted before but your link is patchset 1 | 15:30 |
| apmelton | there was | 15:30 |
| apmelton | I believe s1rp's is a refresh of that patch | 15:30 |
| danpb | ok, i'll try to find it again | 15:31 |
| danpb | anything else people wnat to talk about ? | 15:32 |
| mjturek | danpb I'd be intersted in discussing this bug again https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1375868 | 15:32 |
| mjturek | interested* | 15:33 |
| mjturek | I did a small amount of research into it when it first popped up, but wasn't as straight forward as I expected | 15:33 |
| s1rp | danpb: yeah there was | 15:34 |
| s1rp | ill dig that up | 15:34 |
| s1rp | i think apmelton proposed it originally so i couldn't revive it (dont have the perms) | 15:34 |
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| apmelton | this is the original https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106405/ | 15:35 |
| danpb | apmelton: thanks | 15:35 |
| danpb | mjturek: ok | 15:36 |
| mjturek | so I emailed you awhile back but probably got burried | 15:36 |
| mjturek | what I'm wondering is whether or not nova is already tracking the information that's currently coming from the libvirt xml | 15:36 |
| danpb | yeah possibly missed it as i've been travelling alot | 15:37 |
| mjturek | I dug into the db a little bit but didn't see fields that line up with it. This was awhile ago though so I'm a bit fuzzy on the details | 15:37 |
| mjturek | yeah no worries | 15:37 |
| danpb | so IIRC the thing we were interested in was distinguishing image based disks from cinder based disk | 15:38 |
| mjturek | yep | 15:38 |
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| danpb | i would expect (hope) we have info on the cinder based disks | 15:38 |
| danpb | but possibly not about the image base disks, but the coudl be inferred by virtue of them not being cinder based disks | 15:39 |
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| mjturek | I see, if I remember correctly the image based disk information was pulled directly from the xml | 15:40 |
| danpb | last time i looked at this, i wasn't even sure the callpath leading upto the _get_instance_disk_info method was sane | 15:41 |
| danpb | ie i couldn't help thinking the caller should be working in a totally different way | 15:41 |
| danpb | but i never got into investigating it in detail either | 15:42 |
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| mjturek | I see, so the issue might be a little deeper than removing this race | 15:42 |
| danpb | as i got side tracked on cleaning up the resource tracker to make it clearer to understand wtf was going on | 15:42 |
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| mjturek | alright well since it might be a little deeper than I expected I might move away from it. But if I do any investigating, cool if I ping you? | 15:44 |
| danpb | sure | 15:45 |
| mjturek | great, thanks! | 15:45 |
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| danpb | ok, lets call this meeting done | 15:46 |
| vladikr | danpb, thanks | 15:46 |
| mjturek | thanks danpb, have a good one | 15:46 |
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| danpb | #endmeeting | 15:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:49 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 28 15:49:35 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/libvirt/2014/libvirt.2014-10-28-15.05.html | 15:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/libvirt/2014/libvirt.2014-10-28-15.05.txt | 15:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/libvirt/2014/libvirt.2014-10-28-15.05.log.html | 15:49 |
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| david-lyle | #startmeeting horizon | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 28 16:00:23 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 16:00 |
| david-lyle | Hello everyone! | 16:00 |
| julim | hi all | 16:00 |
| lhcheng | hello! | 16:00 |
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| jpich | Hello | 16:00 |
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| sdoyle | hello | 16:00 |
| Sanjay | Hello | 16:00 |
| jgravel_ | hi | 16:00 |
| rhagarty | hello | 16:00 |
| wchrisj | Hi | 16:01 |
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| gugl | hi | 16:01 |
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| bpokorny | Hi | 16:01 |
| TravT | hello | 16:01 |
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| david-lyle | The agenda for today's meeting can be found https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon | 16:02 |
| rdopieralski | hi | 16:02 |
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| david-lyle | Most of what's planned for today is final prep for the summit | 16:02 |
| david-lyle | but first | 16:02 |
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| david-lyle | #topic Cross Project Liaisons | 16:02 |
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| david-lyle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 16:03 |
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| david-lyle | Several cross project teams have gone to liaison approach like oslo used in the last release | 16:03 |
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| david-lyle | There are four separate opportunities to participate as a liaison if you wish to | 16:04 |
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| david-lyle | amotoki has oslo covered for this release. and jpich has docs | 16:05 |
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| david-lyle | that leaves QA and vulnerability management | 16:05 |
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| jpich | Looks like they both require folks to be core reviewers | 16:05 |
| david-lyle | you can read the plan for engagement on the wiki page | 16:06 |
| david-lyle | I think some can be non-core as well | 16:06 |
| david-lyle | but core is prefered | 16:06 |
| jpich | s/require/prefer/ yeah, I'm sure we can work something out with interested people :) | 16:06 |
| david-lyle | VM may be the exception to that | 16:06 |
| david-lyle | So if you have an interest feel free to sign up on the wiki | 16:07 |
| lhcheng | david-lyle: I'll sign up for the VM | 16:07 |
| david-lyle | lhcheng: \o/ | 16:07 |
| david-lyle | thanks! | 16:07 |
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| -amotoki- now got VM is vulnerability management :-) | 16:08 | |
| david-lyle | amotoki: got lazy :) | 16:09 |
| david-lyle | Thanks all who have volunteered | 16:10 |
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| david-lyle | #topic Summit | 16:10 |
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| amotoki | one question: for VM liaison, one needs to be horizon-coresec member? | 16:10 |
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| lhcheng | amotoki: v11y m8t ? | 16:10 |
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| david-lyle | I updated the coresec in Juno, let me verify | 16:11 |
| amotoki | lhcheng: yes. | 16:11 |
| amotoki | I think limited team (bug team?) can access private security bugs. | 16:11 |
| david-lyle | amotoki, you are not on it for some reason, would you like to be? | 16:12 |
| amotoki | david-lyle: either will do. my question is vulnarability management liaison should be able to access to such bugs. | 16:13 |
| david-lyle | amotoki: yes they should | 16:13 |
| amotoki | david-lyle: and i am not sure who can access private sec bugs. | 16:13 |
| david-lyle | lhcheng: is in coresec | 16:13 |
| amotoki | i think lhcheng is good for that. just to clarify the requirements. | 16:14 |
| amotoki | please move on. | 16:14 |
| tzumainn | hi | 16:14 |
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| david-lyle | ok topic is summit | 16:15 |
| david-lyle | the suggested topic list was #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-kilo-summit | 16:15 |
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| david-lyle | I took the top vote getters and made them sessions #link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/horizon | 16:15 |
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| david-lyle | Items that didn't make the cut can certainly be covered in the contributor meetup on Fri | 16:16 |
| david-lyle | one of those is config file changes | 16:17 |
| david-lyle | for extensions, but there are others as well | 16:17 |
| david-lyle | the rest of the time on Fri we can fill with topics from the formal sessions that need more time or ? | 16:18 |
| david-lyle | I've set up an etherpad for all the sessions and the contributor meetup | 16:18 |
| david-lyle | feel free to add topic suggestions to the contributor meetup | 16:18 |
| david-lyle | one thing I omitted in the session writeups is the leader | 16:19 |
| david-lyle | that can be extracted from the original proposal etherpad | 16:19 |
| david-lyle | if you are the leader, please prepare the content for the session as you see fit. And hopefully provide a bit of an outline on the etherpad | 16:20 |
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| julim | david-lyle: I've already populated https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-horizon-ux with proposed agenda | 16:21 |
| david-lyle | An additional note... Before the Horizon/Keystone session on Wed, will be a matching Horizon/Keystone session in the Keystone slot, same room, just preceeding | 16:21 |
| david-lyle | there are several things keystone is working on that will directly impact Horizon in Kilo, additionally the way we currently do things is an impediment to keystone moving forward | 16:22 |
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| david-lyle | so morgainfainberg and I have set up these sessions to get everyone on the same page and make a plan for moving forward | 16:23 |
| david-lyle | thanks julim | 16:23 |
| david-lyle | Any questions about the sessions, schedule, etc? | 16:23 |
| julim | np david-lyle. worried we won't have enough time and may have to use friday meetup to cover what does not get covered | 16:23 |
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| david-lyle | I figured that could be the case | 16:24 |
| rdopieralski | david-lyle: sorry, I can't be there on Friday | 16:24 |
| rdopieralski | david-lyle: so I will leave my slides and notes to someone, I guess | 16:25 |
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| david-lyle | rdopieralski: let's make some time before that | 16:25 |
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| david-lyle | we'll have some pod space, we could set up a time to get interested people to meet up there | 16:26 |
| rdopieralski | david-lyle: that would be awesome, thanks | 16:26 |
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| david-lyle | Once there and figure out what we have exactly, I'll try to set up a time | 16:27 |
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| david-lyle | rdopieralski: can you set up an etherpad and link it on the wiki with the other horizon sessions? that way we can figure out who's actually interested and make sure we have a way to communicate timing with them | 16:28 |
| rdopieralski | david-lyle: certainly | 16:29 |
| david-lyle | thanks | 16:29 |
| david-lyle | other questions or concerns? | 16:29 |
| TravT | david-lyle: is there a plan for a lunch get together or anything like that on any of the days for people to just get to know each other? | 16:29 |
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| david-lyle | TravT: that was my next item, thanks for the subtle prodding to move on :) | 16:30 |
| TravT | :) | 16:30 |
| david-lyle | In Atlanta, we met informally on Sunday night at a random bar near the conference. Is that something people would be interested in doing again? | 16:31 |
| david-lyle | I'm open to location suggestions if so | 16:31 |
| julim | TravT - pls look at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-horizon-ux to add anything related to what you'll be showing | 16:31 |
| mwhagedorn | david-lyle: I would be up for that | 16:31 |
| TravT | julim: i will, thanks! | 16:31 |
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| jpich | I think that was great and we should do it again yeah | 16:32 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, definitely interesting! | 16:32 |
| akrivoka | I am up for it as well | 16:32 |
| sdoyle | sunday night sounds good, i'm looking forward to meeting you all | 16:32 |
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| julim | amotoki - can you please also look at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-horizon-ux to see if you'd like to present something around networking improvements? | 16:32 |
| TravT | I'd enjoy meeting up | 16:32 |
| julim | +1 sunday meetup sounds good | 16:32 |
| rbertram | +1 for Sunday night | 16:32 |
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| amotoki | julim: is the page linked from horizon main summit etherpad? | 16:32 |
| tsufiev | btw, Sunday after or before Summit? | 16:32 |
| jpich | Before I would assume :) | 16:33 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: before | 16:33 |
| julim | yes amotoki - from link that david-lyle sent | 16:33 |
| wchrisj | +1 for Sunday meetup | 16:33 |
| absubram | +1 | 16:33 |
| david-lyle | amotoki: also linked on the horizon meeting page | 16:33 |
| johnma | I thought there was a Women of Openstack get together on Sunday | 16:33 |
| julim | david-lyle… I'm told the places near the conference place are very expensive (as that's the embassy row) | 16:33 |
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| jpich | Last time we met in one of the conference official hotels' bar, seems the ones for Paris have a dress code. Do we risk it? :) Does someone know places? | 16:33 |
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| julim | dneary might be able to offer suggestions but told me places nearby are rather posh | 16:34 |
| TravT | jpich: dress code? uh-oh. so no openstack hoodie? | 16:34 |
| mwhagedorn | jpitch define dress code? | 16:34 |
| jpich | I dunno, look here: http://www.parisetoile.regency.hyatt.com/en/hotel/dining/bar-la-vue.html "Smart casual, trendy" | 16:35 |
| david-lyle | alas, I'm none of those things | 16:35 |
| TravT | jpich: i can meet one of those three if I try hard. | 16:35 |
| akrivoka | lol | 16:35 |
| mwhagedorn | arent we all smart, casual and trendy? | 16:35 |
| julim | does that mean business casual? | 16:35 |
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| akrivoka | that's engineer unfriendly | 16:36 |
| mwhagedorn | david-lyle you SCREAM trendy | 16:36 |
| mwhagedorn | (:)) | 16:36 |
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| jpich | Anyone else's hotel has a non-dress code bar we could meet at? :) | 16:36 |
| akrivoka | burger king it is! | 16:37 |
| tzumainn | hahahahaha | 16:37 |
| tzumainn | akrivoka +1 | 16:37 |
| * tsufiev may seem slowpoke, but: when does the 'sunday night' begins, at what time? Considering whether I'm arriving early enough on Sunday... | 16:37 | |
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| TravT | here's what le meridien has: http://www.lemeridienetoile.com/en/restaurants-paris | 16:38 |
| akrivoka | that was a joke, just to be absolutely clear | 16:38 |
| tzumainn | oh :( | 16:38 |
| clu_ | also, whatever we finalize on should be put here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-kilo-summit to serve as a reminder :) | 16:38 |
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| jpich | We should do that soon before people start travelling, and post it on the ML too | 16:39 |
| jpich | tsufiev: I think last time we met around 8:30 maybe? | 16:39 |
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| TravT | jpich: that bar at the regency looks really cool | 16:41 |
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| tsufiev | jpich, thanks, going to change my arrival time to not be late :) | 16:41 |
| jpich | Is it? Should we try it? People, please wear a shirt and call it trendy? :-) | 16:42 |
| julim | what about the place where the women of openstack is at (Salon Panoramique ESPACE 56, Tour Montparnasse building, 33 Avenue du Maine, Paris, France)? | 16:42 |
| julim | jpich -- is that a possible venue? | 16:42 |
| jpich | tsufiev: If last time is any indication, people will come and go at all times so it's ok to be "late" :) | 16:42 |
| tsufiev | TravT, +1 for le meridien bar, because it's the hotel I'm staying at :) | 16:42 |
| jpich | julim: is it far? | 16:42 |
| david-lyle | jpich if we all wear the same shirt, there's no way they can say it's not trendy | 16:42 |
| jpich | Is there space for us to not be taking over? :) | 16:43 |
| julim | jpich - not nearby. 2 trains to get there | 16:43 |
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| jpich | david-lyle: Oh! good point! People, make sure to register first and wear whatever the conference swag is this time :-) | 16:43 |
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| david-lyle | we could meet at the meridien and if it does not meet our slovenly needs, change locale | 16:44 |
| david-lyle | I don't see Sunday hours on the Meridien bar though | 16:44 |
| jpich | julim: It's not clear to me if you can go without booking | 16:44 |
| mwhagedorn | I dont know.. my slovenly needs are pretty extrem :) | 16:44 |
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| TravT | is regency next to meridien? | 16:44 |
| julim | jpich - ack. oh well… thought it might be an easy place to try... | 16:45 |
| david-lyle | TravT: across the street | 16:45 |
| wchrisj | TravT - Across the street | 16:45 |
| wchrisj | sorry ;-) | 16:45 |
| TravT | we can always start at meridien. and migrate or vice versa. | 16:45 |
| jpich | so the jazz lounge bar at the meridien is it? | 16:45 |
| tzumainn | sounds good to me | 16:45 |
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| tsufiev | +1 for meridien | 16:46 |
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| TravT | jazz lounge probably has a dress code as well... | 16:46 |
| wchrisj | FWIW, the bar at the Hyatt mentions Sunday hours, so we should be good with that as a backup: http://www.parisetoile.regency.hyatt.com/en/hotel/dining/bar-la-vue.html | 16:46 |
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| tzumainn | http://www.starwoodhotels.com/lemeridien/property/dining/index.html?propertyID=1919 | 16:46 |
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| tzumainn | dress code: casual | 16:47 |
| wchrisj | ... assuming we can meet the dress code | 16:47 |
| tzumainn | open from 10am - 1am | 16:47 |
| tzumainn | assuming it's the right hotel | 16:47 |
| amotoki | paris is cold and i am afraid we wear more than just shirts :) | 16:47 |
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| julim | I found a casual place: Le Carré des Ternes, 84 Avenue des Ternes, 75017 Paris, France | 16:47 |
| julim | it's 4 min walk from the hyatt | 16:47 |
| julim | https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Hyatt+Regency+Paris+Etoile,+3+Place+du+G%C3%A9n%C3%A9ral+K%C5%93nig,+75017+Paris,+France/Le+Carr%C3%A9+des+Ternes,+84+Avenue+des+Ternes,+75017+Paris,+France/@48.8804654,2.2848591,18z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x47e66f8b8149404f:0x451d76ae1e117f24!2m2!1d2.284296!2d48.880291!1m5!1m1!1s0x47e66f8da9b7b8b9:0x23b006724f787524!2m2!1d2.287729!2d48.880224 | 16:48 |
| jpich | I think it might more a food place? | 16:49 |
| TravT | so plan is for drinks only right? people eat before arrival? | 16:49 |
| jpich | Let's go with the Meridien Jazz Lounge thing at 20:30 and see what happens | 16:49 |
| tzumainn | +1 | 16:49 |
| david-lyle | TravT: most likely, but I assume food can be found if necessary | 16:49 |
| david-lyle | Ok, Meridien sounds good | 16:50 |
| david-lyle | a not just cause I'm staying there, but it certainly doesn't hurt | 16:50 |
| julim | +1 2030 @ Meridien Jazz Lounge | 16:51 |
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| Sanjay | david-lyle : I want to discuss two blue prints "Add User "Role" field to Update User Form" & "Add Generic Pagination Control" | 16:51 |
| david-lyle | Now that we have the important topic closed: | 16:51 |
| tsufiev | Some means for communication for people that are late would be helpful - to know where to go to for a party :) | 16:51 |
| david-lyle | #topic Open Discussion | 16:52 |
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| tsufiev | should they use irc channel? | 16:52 |
| david-lyle | IRC or etherpad? | 16:52 |
| david-lyle | Sanjay: links? | 16:52 |
| Sanjay | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/add-user-role-field | 16:53 |
| TravT | i vote etherpad since it is persistent for those of us that don't have a persistent irc server set up. | 16:53 |
| jpich | etherpad might be easier to modify on the go by the attendees if necessary | 16:53 |
| david-lyle | etherpad it is | 16:53 |
| Sanjay | & https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/enhance-pagination-functionality | 16:53 |
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| david-lyle | Sanjay what about domain scoped roles? | 16:55 |
| jpich | tsufiev, TravT: Someone obligingly updated https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-kilo-summit already so we should aim to keep that one up to date | 16:55 |
| david-lyle | Sanjay: for the second, that is actually a topic of discussion at the summit | 16:56 |
| tsufiev | jpich, great :)! | 16:56 |
| david-lyle | I failed to write a bp about it yet | 16:56 |
| Sanjay | ok | 16:56 |
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| david-lyle | The goeal is the same, not sure about the method | 16:56 |
| Sanjay | what is domain scoped role | 16:56 |
| david-lyle | goal* | 16:56 |
| david-lyle | potentially a domain admin role | 16:57 |
| david-lyle | if I have a domain scoped token, I may want a person to be the admin of that domain. | 16:57 |
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| david-lyle | thus giving them an admin role in that domain | 16:57 |
| Sanjay | ok | 16:58 |
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| david-lyle | additionally, we are moving to a more defined blueprint process leveraging this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/template | 16:58 |
| Sanjay | Right now when you you go to update user form there is no role field. once we have role field ther I think we can add domain specific too.. | 16:59 |
| david-lyle | I need to update the Horizon launchpad page somehow to point that out | 16:59 |
| david-lyle | Sanjay: maybe I read the inverse of what you were suggesting | 16:59 |
| david-lyle | I'll have to reread | 16:59 |
| david-lyle | But we're out of time for this meeting. | 17:00 |
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| Sanjay | can we plan this for next meeting | 17:00 |
| david-lyle | See everyone in Paris, use the the etherpad to sync up. Looking forward to seeing everyong | 17:00 |
| jpich | Thanks david-lyle, everyone | 17:00 |
| david-lyle | oh yeah, no meeting next week due to summit will resume in 2 weeks | 17:00 |
| david-lyle | Sanjay you can followup in openstack-horizon | 17:01 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 28 17:01:10 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-10-28-16.00.html | 17:01 |
| Sanjay | ok. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-10-28-16.00.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-10-28-16.00.log.html | 17:01 |
| akrivoka | thanks all, have a good week! | 17:01 |
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| thinrichs1 | Hi all. We're ready to get started with the Congress meeting. | 17:02 |
| arosen | hi | 17:02 |
| thinrichs1 | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 17:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 28 17:02:22 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
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| thinrichs1 | Let's get started with status updates. | 17:03 |
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| thinrichs1 | #topic status | 17:03 |
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| thinrichs1 | arosen: want to start? | 17:03 |
| arosen | sure | 17:03 |
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| arosen | So, The congress CI is now voting on upsteam patches. The CI system ran into a couple of issues though over the last week (quick summery ): | 17:03 |
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| arosen | - openstack-infra/config was split into two repos openstack-infra/project-config and openstack-infra/system-config so some files on the CI side needed to change in order to account for that change. | 17:04 |
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| arosen | - The pypi mirror pypi.openstack.org is no longer a public mirror which the puppet scripts were using. This patch (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131474/) just merged upsteam which fixes the mirror | 17:04 |
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| arosen | Right now nodepool is receating the image and we should be back in business shortly :) | 17:04 |
| arosen | On the congress development side the db patch integration patches should be ready to go in: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127045/ , https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127046/ | 17:04 |
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| arosen | though I think we should wait till the CI is back up before we approve these just to ensure everythign is working functionally | 17:04 |
| arosen | also, I should be close to having the glance datasource driver ready for review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126377/ just trying to sort though the tags table and how it should be layed out. | 17:05 |
| arosen | that's it from me unless anyone would like to talk about any of the above..,,. | 17:05 |
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| jwy | arosen: when do you expect the CI to be back up? need to recheck my review | 17:06 |
| arosen | jwy: should be up within the hour.. Just waiting on the image to be built and pushed out to glance. | 17:06 |
| arosen | jwy: you're patch on horizon should be fine. The failure on the ci you were hitting was related to the pypi mirror issue. | 17:07 |
| arosen | I'll go a head an recheck all the congress patches this "recheck congress" once it's back up. | 17:07 |
| jwy | arosen: ok, seemed like that, thanks | 17:07 |
| dawood | a digression for a quick introduction. I'm david wood from IBM. I've worked on policy on/off for the past few years. I've even implemented a datalog parser/engine in java ;). Just coming up to speed on openstack though. | 17:07 |
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| thinrichs1 | dawood: Great to have you here! | 17:08 |
| arosen | awesome, welcome David! | 17:08 |
| dawood | thanks | 17:08 |
| kudva | David has wide experience in policies and engines | 17:08 |
| thinrichs1 | That sounds great! Typically we ask new people to tell us about their interests in the project at the end of the meeting. | 17:09 |
| thinrichs1 | But if you'd rather go now, that's fine too. | 17:09 |
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| thinrichs1 | alexsyip: want to give your status report? | 17:11 |
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| alexsyip | Tim and I discussed how the policy engine will make requests to drivers like ceilometer which data to request. | 17:11 |
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| glebo | lo m8s | 17:12 |
| alexsyip | I’m also learning about tempest tests. | 17:12 |
| alexsyip | And debugging some bugs related to congress crashing and drivers. | 17:12 |
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| kudva | alexsyip: good to have an update on that discussion. Particularly interested in how we might go about a simple scenario: error(host) :- average_mem_util(x > y, t), i.e., memory utilization is greater than y for agiven period t | 17:13 |
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| kudva | error(host) :- average_mem_util(x > y, t, host) to be precise | 17:14 |
| alexsyip | The idea is for the engine to derive a list of constraints related to the data in ceilometer. | 17:14 |
| dawood | is there support for 'over time' metrics | 17:15 |
| kudva | alexsyip: there was the question of whether should a function should be implemented as a ceilometer alarm (in which case how does the alarm communicate to Congress) versus bringing data to ceilometer, and ceilometer checking the datalog body over time. | 17:15 |
| alexsyip | So, the driver may have a table named ceilometer:stats | 17:15 |
| alexsyip | kudva: We’ve not made any decisions about alarms. | 17:16 |
| kudva | alxesyip: but how is that table interpreted? As dawood asked, 'over a period of time'? | 17:16 |
| alexsyip | But rather how does the runtime talk to the driver. | 17:16 |
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| glebo | kudva: would have to be, e.g. ave over last 30 sec, 10 sec, 1 sec, 1 min | 17:17 |
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| kudva | glebo: two questions. 1. can we express that in datalog (are there semantics for it) 2. How is this translated to communicated between runtime and tbales | 17:18 |
| kudva | tables | 17:18 |
| glebo | kudva: could take a snapshot every n sec (n can be very small fraction) and put them all the in the table, then query over that data, but seems like overkill | 17:18 |
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| kudva | glebo: so the table is a snapshot over a time t specified in the datalog clause correct? | 17:18 |
| glebo | kudva: not a datalog guy, so don't know. Sorry. But I think that is the right question to ask. Others? | 17:19 |
| kudva | thinrichs: thoughts on time in datalog? | 17:19 |
| glebo | kudva: that's what I was thinking. Just one idea | 17:19 |
| kudva | glebo: definitely, at this point good to put all options | 17:19 |
| glebo | kudva: optional setting for the "n" time period over which ave is taken, right? | 17:19 |
| thinrichs1 | Except for the period, it seems we can extract the info we need from the policy. | 17:20 |
| dawood | if the rule runtime provides the current time, then the rule can decide what 'over time' means and keep track of that itself? | 17:20 |
| glebo | thinrichs1: period would be one of the policy elements, | 17:20 |
| glebo | generally there is a default setting and then "advanced" setting where op can tune it | 17:20 |
| thinrichs1 | There are different things we could do to embed the period within the policy (or in a config file as a baby-step toward) that. | 17:20 |
| thinrichs1 | I think we should discuss this at Paris and work out what seems to be the right thing. | 17:21 |
| glebo | dawood: systems we've done this in for past projects normally don't use clock, but cycles | 17:21 |
| thinrichs1 | While we could always add special-purpose policy fragments to handle Ceilometer, it would be nice if we had a general way of dealing with this kind of thing. | 17:21 |
| glebo | … for the function that calcs the ave, then when enter it into table, time stamp using clock, if I'm remembering correctly | 17:22 |
| thinrichs1 | Something to handle time-series data. | 17:22 |
| dawood | cycles is fine i guess, but the rule writer will want to know how long a cycle is. | 17:22 |
| glebo | thinrichs1: anything you want to take an average over to represent out will need this dial / option. Ex: | 17:22 |
| glebo | sorry, example | 17:23 |
| glebo | : | 17:23 |
| thinrichs1 | For example, we've talked about introducing aggregates into the policy proper (like SQL). We might be able to piggy-back on such a thing to extract the info we want and hand it off to ceilometer. | 17:23 |
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| thinrichs1 | Remember that we're talking about someone giving us an arbitrary policy, and the policy engine needs to figure out what data from ceilometer is relevant for that policy so that it can pull it in. | 17:23 |
| glebo | bps, cpu util per sec (or per n), memory util per n, smoke derived from flames shooting out the back of the box per n, etc. | 17:23 |
| thinrichs1 | Lots of good ideas here about how to proceed. I think this might take some face-to-face whiteboarding. | 17:24 |
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| kudva | thinrichs1: or a virtual whiteboard if possible | 17:24 |
| thinrichs1 | kudva: etherpad would be a good option. | 17:25 |
| glebo | kudva: could it be a glass board then? | 17:25 |
| glebo | ;-) | 17:25 |
| kudva | thinrichs1: thanks :-) | 17:25 |
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| thinrichs1 | Perhaps this is a good thing to go through at the design session. | 17:25 |
| * glebo btw, apologises for being late | 17:25 | |
| jasonsb | thinrichs1: its tuesday afternoon? | 17:25 |
| * glebo and for spelling "apologises" incorrectly | 17:25 | |
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| alexsyip | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/par-kilo-congress-design-session | 17:26 |
| thinrichs1 | alexsyip: thanks! | 17:26 |
| thinrichs1 | I added a star to that work item on the etherpad so we make sure to allocate enough time for it. | 17:27 |
| thinrichs1 | Let's keep moving with status updates and return to this at the end if there's time. | 17:28 |
| thinrichs1 | kudva: want to go next? | 17:28 |
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| kudva | thinrichs1: been thinking about integration with Ceilometer. Had an offline phone call with alexsyip, very useful. Looks like this will be a group effort at a more basic level (such as time series etc), so will join the effort. Will pick another problem for myself by next week to code. | 17:29 |
| thinrichs1 | Sounds good. | 17:30 |
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| thinrichs1 | jwy: have any news to share? | 17:30 |
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| jwy | i have a patch out for review, which adds a Data Sources panel in Horizon | 17:31 |
| jwy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130922 | 17:31 |
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| jwy | i moved the policy data tables that are currently in the Policies panel into the new one | 17:31 |
| * glebo brb | 17:31 | |
| * glebo in 5 or less | 17:32 | |
| jwy | once it gets merged, Rajdeep will merge in his code to add the data sources data tables | 17:32 |
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| jwy | then we'll be able to see all the policy and data source info | 17:32 |
| thinrichs1 | That sounds great! | 17:33 |
| thinrichs1 | That'll give us the rules, the datasource tables, and the policy tables, I believe. | 17:33 |
| jwy | i also emailed jason-bishop, who had expressed interest in contributing in last week's IRC meeting but haven't heard back from him | 17:33 |
| jwy | yep | 17:33 |
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| thinrichs1 | Do we have plans to enable rule creation in Horizon? | 17:34 |
| jasonsb | jwy: i just mailed you | 17:34 |
| jasonsb | jwy: sorry so late! | 17:34 |
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| jwy | jasonb: no problem! | 17:34 |
| jwy | thinrichs1: nothing concrete yet, would be another good thing to discuss | 17:34 |
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| thinrichs1 | Agreed. The GUI is near the top of the list in terms of making Congress accessible to the target audience. | 17:35 |
| jwy | could start off with just having a big text box to enter the rule, like from the CLI | 17:35 |
| thinrichs1 | jwy: agreed that's a good way to start. | 17:35 |
| thinrichs1 | Many people I've talked to are skeptical of our target audience writing policy in Datalog. | 17:36 |
| thinrichs1 | So making that as easy as possible is a high priority. | 17:36 |
| jwy | i need a better understanding of datalog myself, haha | 17:36 |
| thinrichs1 | Last week I talked to some folks at Stanford who are working on something similar. | 17:37 |
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| jwy | the Dexter tool? | 17:37 |
| thinrichs1 | People are still writing datalog directly, but they have some ideas about helping people understanding the datalog they've written. | 17:37 |
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| thinrichs1 | #link http://dexter.stanford.edu/main/ | 17:37 |
| thinrichs1 | jwy: yep. | 17:38 |
| dawood | we have a policy authoring tool that allows people to fillin the blanks of an natural language phrase. the fill-ins are then mapped into the underlying policy. | 17:38 |
| thinrichs1 | dawood: I'd love to see that in action sometime. | 17:39 |
| dawood | allows for non-technical policy authors, but perhaps that is not the audience | 17:39 |
| glebo | jwy: +1 better understanding of datalog. /me was just pinging my eng buddies here to see if anyone had clue. ha ha | 17:39 |
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| thinrichs1 | dawood: we've always talked about having different GUIs for different kinds of users, raw Datalog being the interface for super-users. | 17:39 |
| glebo | dawood: sort of like drop-down-menus, but fill in, rather than visual list choice? | 17:40 |
| thinrichs1 | jwy, glebo: we do have a few docs on a Datalog intro. | 17:40 |
| thinrichs1 | A more thorough intro has been on the list for a while. | 17:41 |
| thinrichs1 | Maybe it's time to move that up the list. | 17:41 |
| dawood | "allow users with role (admin|reader|...) access database tables (a|b|c)." | 17:41 |
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| glebo | thinrichs1: Who is "we", OS or your employeer? | 17:42 |
| thinrichs1 | I suppose "we" == "me". | 17:42 |
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| glebo | thinrichs1: got to b one on internet somewhere already, right? Not like we r the first ones to try to use it in a project | 17:42 |
| * glebo looking at dexter | 17:43 | |
| glebo | dawood: so it's a visual representation of the underlying tables then? | 17:43 |
| dawood | does the GUI authoring tool do any validation of the rule? syntax, tables names, etc.? | 17:43 |
| thinrichs1 | Sure, but it would be nice to have one that is tailored to our language, that talks about the datasource tables we're using, has examples from our particular domain (instead of the typical parent-child-ancestor examples that you'll see). | 17:43 |
| rajdeep_ | currently it doesn't | 17:44 |
| dawood | glebo: its a visual representation of the underlying rule | 17:44 |
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| thinrichs1 | dawood: Currently there's no way to add rules via the GUI. Just view rules. | 17:44 |
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| jwy | dawood: are you asking about dexter or horizon? | 17:45 |
| dawood | ok, then adding them from the command line. are they checked for errors before installing them in the system where they might not work/throw and error | 17:45 |
| thinrichs1 | dawood: yes. Errors are reported via the API. | 17:45 |
| thinrichs1 | Though for some reason those errors aren't reported by the CLI. | 17:45 |
| thinrichs1 | Time check 15 min remaining. | 17:46 |
| thinrichs1 | Let's make sure we give everyone a chance to report on the work they've been doing. | 17:46 |
| thinrichs1 | rajdeep: want to go next? | 17:46 |
| rajdeep_ | sure though my update is very brief | 17:46 |
| rajdeep_ | i completed my implementation of data source panels in the meantime jwy has done some reorg of the panels separating datasource and policies | 17:47 |
| rajdeep_ | once her CL goes in will do my integration again with the new code | 17:48 |
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| rajdeep_ | that completes my update .. | 17:48 |
| thinrichs1 | Great. Thanks. | 17:48 |
| * glebo snaps for rajdeep, for completed work, for short report | 17:49 | |
| thinrichs1 | sarob: any news we should all know about for the summit? | 17:49 |
| sarob | Nope | 17:50 |
| sarob | If you guys can | 17:50 |
| sarob | Join in as many cross project and ops sessions as possible | 17:50 |
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| sarob | Likely a lot of policy related issues and discussions | 17:51 |
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| glebo | Neutron GBP is one that continues to be top of mind | 17:51 |
| glebo | and our interactions with policy specific modules like FWaaS, VPNaaS and LBaaS | 17:51 |
| sarob | The congress design session Tuesday rooms 124/125 16:40-18:10 | 17:52 |
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| sarob | And the congress etherpad #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/par-kilo-congress-design-session | 17:53 |
| sarob | Are the most important | 17:53 |
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| sarob | Making sure everyone has those details | 17:53 |
| sarob | The gbp session is tues in Duffy 12:05-12:45 | 17:54 |
| thinrichs1 | sarob: Thanks! | 17:54 |
| thinrichs1 | Did I miss anyone for a status report? | 17:54 |
| LouisF | glebo: see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129350/ | 17:55 |
| * glebo peep | 17:55 | |
| arosen | :) no conflicts for my talks | 17:55 |
| sarob | Nice | 17:55 |
| glebo | LouisF: yup, was just marketing it to ensure everyone else had it on mind | 17:55 |
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| glebo | thinrichs1: want me to go? | 17:56 |
| thinrichs1 | glebo: yes | 17:56 |
| glebo | re: write up from last weeks discussion on declarative protocol to carry policy declarations from Congress to policy description points for enforcement systems | 17:56 |
| glebo | had committed to get that done by CoB last night, but | 17:57 |
| glebo | dog ate my homework, so | 17:57 |
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| glebo | have blocked off right after this meeting to do it, and post to ML | 17:57 |
| glebo | done | 17:57 |
| thinrichs1 | Sounds good. Looking forward to it! | 17:57 |
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| * glebo slightly embarassed look on face, but not much | 17:57 | |
| alexsyip | LouisF: thanks, I’ll create a blueprint to match that spec. | 17:57 |
| LouisF | alexsyip: thx | 17:58 |
| thinrichs1 | 2 minutes left. | 17:58 |
| thinrichs1 | dawood: want to tell us anything more about why you're interested in Congress? | 17:58 |
| dawood | i'm part of a cloud networking group at IBM (research). We are looking at a wide array of things, including network function virtualization, particularly in the context of open stack. using policy to manage across and between data centers is of interest. a focus on networking would be nice, but not required. Not sure what role i'm looking to play here yet. | 17:58 |
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| glebo | dawood: welcome! | 17:59 |
| thinrichs1 | Interesting stuff. Sounds like similar background to many of us. | 18:00 |
| dawood | thanks | 18:00 |
| thinrichs1 | And we're out of time. | 18:00 |
| thinrichs1 | This has been a lively discussion today! | 18:00 |
| glebo | dawood: is your team an IT team for the rest of IBM, or a cloud offering to IBM customers, or both, or neither? | 18:00 |
| thinrichs1 | I'm looking forward to more of the same next week in Paris. | 18:00 |
| LouisF | thinrichs1: meeting next week? | 18:00 |
| glebo | cheers all | 18:00 |
| dawood | neither. research for next gen cloud stuff | 18:00 |
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| thinrichs1 | Let's cancel next week's IRC meeting. | 18:00 |
| dawood | we try to flow stuff into products | 18:00 |
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| glebo | won't be in paris, unless mom cancels her 70th bday party ;-) | 18:00 |
| thinrichs1 | We'll have enough going on to keep track of. | 18:00 |
| glebo | have a great time. I'll be online, when possible | 18:01 |
| dawood | enjoy paris everyone! | 18:01 |
| thinrichs1 | We'll be good about using the etherpad for real-time as well as summaries. | 18:01 |
| thinrichs1 | Thanks all! | 18:01 |
| jasonsb | cheers | 18:01 |
| thinrichs1 | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:01 | |
| arosen | later | 18:01 |
| LouisF | thinrichs1: great! | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 28 18:01:39 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
| glebo | and scribes? | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2014/congressteammeeting.2014-10-28-17.02.html | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2014/congressteammeeting.2014-10-28-17.02.txt | 18:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2014/congressteammeeting.2014-10-28-17.02.log.html | 18:01 |
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