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| cyeoh | Hi is anyone here for the API Workgroup meeting? | 00:00 |
| elmiko | o/ | 00:00 |
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| eliqiao | hi gm cyeoh. | 00:01 |
| miguelgrinberg | yes, hi | 00:01 |
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| cyeoh | cool - ok wasn't sure who would be able to attend given summit is next week. | 00:02 |
| cyeoh | I don't think I've ever met anyone here in person before so maybe we could start with some intros? | 00:02 |
| cyeoh | eg. why you're intested in the API WG (user of API, operator, developer) and what you'd like to contribute. | 00:03 |
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| stevemar | o/ | 00:03 |
| stevemar | cyeoh, i'm late! | 00:03 |
| cyeoh | I'm happy to start off - I work on the Nova API and I'd like to see a lot more consistency both within the Nova API and across the openstack APIs | 00:03 |
| cyeoh | stevemar: hi :-) Just started going around doing some intros | 00:04 |
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| elmiko | hi, michael mccune here, i'm a developer with red hat and i've been working on the sahara project for the last 7 months or so. recently i've been doing some research into implementing a swagger/wadl generator for our project. | 00:04 |
| ycombinator | hi, this is shaunak kashyap. I'm a developer advocate at rackspace | 00:05 |
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| miguelgrinberg | I'm Miguel Grinberg. I'm a dev with Rackspace. Interested in REST APIs, have been working with Heat and also would like more uniform and more RESTful APIs all around. | 00:05 |
| eliqiao | hi, Eli Qiao , work for nova-api , and join openstack from Juno, a fresh man :) | 00:06 |
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| stevemar | i mostly work with keystone, and just looking for make things a bit more consistent across the APIs :) | 00:06 |
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| alex_xu | hi, I'm Alex Xu, work on nova API | 00:06 |
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| cyeoh | cool - I think that's everyone? | 00:07 |
| sigmavirus24 | I'm Ian. I'm working on openstack sdk right now as I ease into OpenStack | 00:07 |
| cyeoh | ok. I don't really have an agenda, so I'm going to wing it a bit | 00:08 |
| cyeoh | #topic reviews | 00:09 |
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| cyeoh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 00:09 |
| elmiko | sounds good =) | 00:09 |
| cyeoh | we have a few in the queue atm | 00:09 |
| cyeoh | only one has a -1/-2 at the moment: | 00:09 |
| cyeoh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130690/ | 00:10 |
| cyeoh | It's the use of 207 multistatus as a response | 00:10 |
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| cyeoh | Background is that its actually a webdav response originally which we normally avoid, but from what I've seen is more widely used than webdav these days for calls that require multiple status returns | 00:11 |
| cyeoh | We currently use it in Nova for registering for external events and had planned on using it for multiple server creation where some can succeed and some can fail | 00:11 |
| cyeoh | But given it was originally a webdav response there has been some opposition to standardising on it. | 00:12 |
| cyeoh | Does anyone have any opinions on this? | 00:12 |
| cyeoh | any suggestions for better alternatives? | 00:12 |
| sigmavirus24 | So I've been looking for examples of other popular APIs that return a 207 and I can't find any that return a 207 | 00:12 |
| sigmavirus24 | Granted, none of them also allow for batch operations either, so I don't think my search is in anyway conclusive | 00:13 |
| elmiko | is 207 specifically used when there is partial completion of the operation? | 00:13 |
| cyeoh | sigmavirus24: ok I can go back and have another search again (we first looked at it for nova a couple of years ago and we found a few, but they weren't the big APIs) | 00:14 |
| miguelgrinberg | which is the endpoint that returns 207? Can't find it | 00:14 |
| cyeoh | elmiko: we only use it when there is at least one failure | 00:14 |
| cyeoh | miguelgrinberg: I'll just go look for the nova ref | 00:14 |
| elmiko | cyeoh: i haven't read this rfc associated(4918), i'm curious what it has to say | 00:15 |
| elmiko | because it seems "multi-status" would be appropriate | 00:16 |
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| cyeoh | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/nova/tree/nova/api/openstack/compute/contrib/server_external_events.py#n68 | 00:16 |
| elmiko | is it _only_ supposed to be used for webdav? | 00:16 |
| cyeoh | elmiko: its in the webdav rfc | 00:16 |
| annegentle | better late than never I always say o/ | 00:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | elmiko: it's a status code defined for webdav which is an extension of http | 00:16 |
| cyeoh | annegentle: hi ;-) | 00:16 |
| elmiko | got it | 00:16 |
| sigmavirus24 | as such it should really only be used then but that doesn't prevent people from doing something else | 00:17 |
| cyeoh | elmiko: I haven't however managed to find an alternative | 00:17 |
| elmiko | right, and this does seem like a situation where a binary pass/fail might not be specific enough | 00:17 |
| sigmavirus24 | technically teh rfcs allow us to return 227 with a custom reason if we want, but that's still going to be wildly unexpected to anyone who is more familiar with other apis | 00:17 |
| elmiko | sigmavirus24: agreed | 00:17 |
| cyeoh | yep | 00:18 |
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| cyeoh | so unless someone points out something better, I think Nova is continue its use of 207 and will use it for server creation as well. I don't know if other projects have a similar need for multi-status? | 00:19 |
| elmiko | cyeoh: man... really starting with a tough cookie ;) | 00:19 |
| cyeoh | heh :-) | 00:19 |
| elmiko | i imagine sahara will have need to multi-status | 00:19 |
| elmiko | we don't use it now, but it seems like something we could use | 00:20 |
| cyeoh | ok. does anyone here really hate the thought of using 207 across openstack? | 00:21 |
| sigmavirus24 | would sahara survive without it? | 00:21 |
| elmiko | definitely | 00:21 |
| elmiko | i meant that to sigmavirus24's question | 00:21 |
| annegentle | what does multi-status mean with batch operations? | 00:21 |
| cyeoh | annegentle: for async type calls? | 00:22 |
| cyeoh | so we haven't used it in Nova for aync type calls, but server creation is an example of this. | 00:22 |
| elmiko | cyeoh: i'm curious why not 206, if only part of the operation succeeded it could be returned. | 00:22 |
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| cyeoh | annegentle: because we do some prechecking in server create we can know for sure that some will fail, though we don't know what will succeed in the end (we plan to use tasks for this) | 00:23 |
| sigmavirus24 | elmiko: that's typically when the server is delivering a file but doesn't want to transmit it all at once. the client is expected to use teh range headers to request the other parts of the file | 00:23 |
| ycombinator | question re: using 207 - does that mean the response will /have/ to be XML? | 00:23 |
| sigmavirus24 | elmiko: doesn't mean we *couldn't* apprioriate it, just that it seems odd | 00:23 |
| annegentle | so you get a 207 until all operations are complete? (I can also ask these on the review, not here) | 00:24 |
| cyeoh | ycombinator: no we don't support xml at all | 00:24 |
| elmiko | sigmavirus24: yea, a little round hole/square peg, but i imagine if you requested X servers be created and the response was only X-2 were actually created, that's a little similar to a count | 00:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | elmiko: yeah | 00:24 |
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| cyeoh | elmiko, sigmavirus24: we kind of could, but we still want to be able return an error code for the failures (they may differ for each failure case) | 00:25 |
| miguelgrinberg | I apologize in advance if this doesn't make sense, but if you are sending a request that includes a list of operations in the body, shouldn't the status of said operations be reported in the body of the response, with the response being a 200, regardless of teh status of the individual operations? | 00:25 |
| sigmavirus24 | If openstack as a whole *really* needs this, I would rather see it be 207 frankly. But if we're going to standardize it off of one project's behaviour (that is already a little odd) I don't know if we should be concerned with it so early | 00:25 |
| cyeoh | annegentle: so if some fail/succeed straight away you get a 207. If its an async case and none have failed you get a 202 accept | 00:26 |
| elmiko | cyeoh: i feel like we're kinda bumping against the idea from the mailing list of operation status objects. like if you knew some entities failed, why not query those entity's statuses for increased info, if you care to see it. | 00:27 |
| cyeoh | sigmavirus24: so if only Nova is doing this I'm ok with it not being standardised, but as soon as another project wants to do a multi-status-type thing then I think we should do it all the same | 00:27 |
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| annegentle | ok thanks cyeoh... I'm looking for other apis needing this now... | 00:28 |
| sigmavirus24 | cyeoh: yeah that's kind of what I'm thinking. That said, I agree with miguelgrinberg. I'm not sure I understand the need for a separate status code in this case | 00:28 |
| miguelgrinberg | the status code of the response applies to the operation as a whole, not the individual sub-operations | 00:29 |
| cyeoh | well a 207 is a success code right? | 00:29 |
| stevemar | technically | 00:29 |
| stevemar | i guess it means at least 1 operation was successful? | 00:29 |
| cyeoh | not that we should really return a 200 in the server create case because its async | 00:29 |
| sigmavirus24 | a 200 response with an array of successes and an array of failures is good too | 00:30 |
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| cyeoh | sigmavirus24: yep, though thats essentially doing a 207 type content, just returning 200 instead isn't it? | 00:30 |
| elmiko | cyeoh: i would think you will check the return object anyways, so why not 200? | 00:31 |
| cyeoh | so the way we've used it so far (only one case) is we return 200 if everything succeeds | 00:31 |
| cyeoh | so you don't need to check any further | 00:31 |
| cyeoh | if we have at least one failure then we return 207. | 00:32 |
| etoews | no please | 00:32 |
| cyeoh | with details about the individual fail/succeeds | 00:32 |
| etoews | don't return different success codes based on some logic | 00:32 |
| ycombinator | I think the response code should be same regardless of # of failures | 00:32 |
| miguelgrinberg | can you return a more expected 4xx if at least one operation failed? | 00:33 |
| etoews | same return code with same body interpreted the same way every time. | 00:33 |
| elmiko | have to say, i'm seeing the 200 side of this as being a little clearer | 00:33 |
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| annegentle | there's a progress attribute returned now, right? | 00:33 |
| cyeoh | annegentle: nope, we don't have tasks yet | 00:33 |
| annegentle | cyeoh: ah. | 00:34 |
| cyeoh | and before we have tasks we need to implement microversions.... | 00:34 |
| etoews | cyeoh: are you aware of any examples of a 207 being used in the wild? | 00:34 |
| cyeoh | (unfortunate long chain of dependencies) | 00:34 |
| cyeoh | etoews: in openstack or outside of openstack? | 00:34 |
| etoews | both | 00:35 |
| cyeoh | etoews: so in openstack we use it for os-external-server-events | 00:35 |
| annegentle | cyeoh: there's a progress: 0-100% returned in v2.0 now | 00:35 |
| cyeoh | annegentle: is that the instance actions thing? | 00:36 |
| annegentle | I see it in GET servers/detail | 00:36 |
| annegentle | cyeoh: maybe it never goes up from 0? :) | 00:36 |
| ycombinator | question: what does an "all operations successful/in-progress" response body look like? is that documented somewhere? maybe that will help steer toward a certain status code | 00:37 |
| cyeoh | etoews: for outside I don't have any references handy but did at the time a couple of years ago (I can come back later with some probably) | 00:37 |
| cyeoh | annegentle: i suspect it might not | 00:37 |
| cyeoh | annegentle: instance actions was sort of an interim progress thing before someone came up with the tasks proposal | 00:38 |
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| etoews | cyeoh: k. it would just be interesting to see some other examples. (if you can't find any i wouldn't consider that a blocker though) | 00:39 |
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| cyeoh | etoews: ok there were a few at the time - basically I was looking for a way to do multi-status and didn't want to invent something. anyway I'll get back to the group | 00:40 |
| etoews | ycombinator: is this sort of what you were looking for? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/ExternalEventAPI | 00:40 |
| cyeoh | ycombinator: there might be some in the nova api samples for server-external-events | 00:40 |
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| ycombinator | yeah, thanks | 00:41 |
| cyeoh | ok well I didn't intend for this topic to suck up so much time, maybe we should shelve it for a bit (I can come back with more info) | 00:41 |
| sigmavirus24 | cyeoh: sounds like a good idea. Maybe put it on the agenda for next week or the week after | 00:41 |
| elmiko | sigmavirus24: +1 | 00:42 |
| cyeoh | sigmavirus24: ok, will do. I'm assuming no irc meeting next week because of summit | 00:42 |
| cyeoh | I think this one should be a lot less controversial: | 00:42 |
| cyeoh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131358/ | 00:42 |
| annegentle | cyeoh: one question, have we determined the voting for "merge" | 00:43 |
| cyeoh | just advertising it because its a proposal for the process of how we vote on changes etc. | 00:43 |
| sigmavirus24 | cyeoh: I hope it's less controversial, for the meeting's sake ;) | 00:43 |
| * annegentle reads more | 00:44 | |
| cyeoh | heh. so I'm fine with the fairly short notice for changes to guidelines while we're still bootstrapping. | 00:44 |
| stevemar | hopefully it is :) | 00:44 |
| annegentle | yeah I think it's okay, but commenting in the review itself | 00:45 |
| elmiko | cyeoh: looks solid to me, i might make the time a little longer for #3 bit i agree about the bootstrapping period. | 00:45 |
| cyeoh | what is not yet defined is who can vote when it comes to contentious issues | 00:46 |
| annegentle | cyeoh: you might consider exceptions around known busy times like milestones | 00:46 |
| stevemar | cyeoh, PTLs seems like a good idea | 00:46 |
| cyeoh | annegentle: oh good point - milestones and summit when people just get really busy | 00:46 |
| annegentle | I definitely think we need +1 from any affected PTL for the process. | 00:47 |
| cyeoh | annegentle: so for contentious issues or all of them? | 00:47 |
| sigmavirus24 | annegentle: do we want to require PTL participation or should there be a cross project person that the project/ptl chooses? | 00:47 |
| cyeoh | sigmavirus24: I think we assume the PTL can delegate? | 00:47 |
| annegentle | So who gets to count as one of the four +1s? That's way too small a number in my mind. | 00:48 |
| annegentle | I think we have to get PTL involvement, and with the cross-project and integration emphasis coming, it can just be the 2 affected PTLs. | 00:48 |
| cyeoh | annegentle: at the moment anyone because we're trying to get some momentum. Maybe we need a PTL rep vote before the 1.0 release? | 00:48 |
| annegentle | so it might vary | 00:48 |
| annegentle | and I do think PTLs can designate a voter | 00:49 |
| annegentle | this will all have to be encoded in the infra anyway so might as well say what we want/think will work. | 00:49 |
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| annegentle | there are now 20 REST API definitions for integrated/incubated | 00:49 |
| annegentle | I think we'll need 10-12 +1s | 00:50 |
| stevemar | annegentle, whered you find that so quickly :) | 00:50 |
| cyeoh | annegentle: do we need that many at this stage though? | 00:50 |
| annegentle | stevemar: I live/breath/eat this stuff :) | 00:50 |
| sigmavirus24 | annegentle: this early in the life of the working group though? | 00:50 |
| cyeoh | annegentle: I suspect we're not going to have that much interest from projects until we have something substantial? | 00:50 |
| annegentle | cyeoh: are you following much of the "layers" discussion? | 00:51 |
| sigmavirus24 | I could see growing towards that, but not right now | 00:51 |
| annegentle | cyeoh: we need to build interest | 00:51 |
| etoews | ya. i'm concerned about making this too process heavy too early too and killing momentum. | 00:51 |
| annegentle | etoews: not too heavy, just need votes and interest | 00:51 |
| cyeoh | annegentle: re: layers, only a bit (read a few blog posts) | 00:51 |
| annegentle | etoews: it's a balancing act - if guidances merges unexpectedly and people get grumpy they weren't "asked" they're less likely to comply | 00:52 |
| cyeoh | annegentle: so we'll be clearly marked as draft for now | 00:52 |
| annegentle | etoews: so we need to give people votes and voices. I'm for more votes mo' bettah | 00:52 |
| annegentle | cyeoh: ah well that's one way to handle it, heh. | 00:52 |
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| annegentle | cyeoh: merge all you want then! | 00:53 |
| cyeoh | annegentle: heh. well we can do a clear PTL delegated vote before moving out of draft | 00:53 |
| annegentle | still think we'll need vested PTLs -- TC is definitely interested | 00:53 |
| annegentle | cyeoh: okay then that approach solves my concerns :) | 00:53 |
| cyeoh | annegentle: and a reasonable long review time before draft goes to vote. | 00:53 |
| annegentle | it might go to the TC for the final, is that okay with us? | 00:54 |
| cyeoh | annegentle: cool :-) | 00:54 |
| etoews | annegentle: true enough. to me that that still seems like a lot of time from a lot of people. | 00:54 |
| sigmavirus24 | cyeoh: yeah I think that's very fair. that's kind of how I was imagining this would go as we moved towards making this a standards thing | 00:54 |
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| cyeoh | annegentle: I think that would be good to get the TC to formally review it | 00:54 |
| sigmavirus24 | Most groups, like IETF working groups will through together a draft in private and then ask for comments. We're doing it in public but it's also very different | 00:54 |
| annegentle | we'll still have to be careful about chunks... not overwhelming people in reviews nor drafts | 00:54 |
| etoews | so what we're discussing here is all very "top down". | 00:55 |
| annegentle | I think we can move quickly as a small WG | 00:55 |
| etoews | what about (initially anyway) a more "bottom up" approach where we draft guidelines and use those guidelines in reviews. | 00:55 |
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| etoews | although i certainly agree having the TC and PTLs aligned with us is great. | 00:56 |
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| sigmavirus24 | etoews: for example, we come up with a draft and look for reviews that it might affect and offer feedback to see if we can influence the review? | 00:57 |
| etoews | sigmavirus24: exactly | 00:57 |
| cyeoh | etoews: so I think even in draft people will start following them if they seem reasonable (and have some reasoning as to why) | 00:57 |
| sigmavirus24 | a more, go forth and see if we can convince others that it's a better idea to do X than Y using the draft as X? | 00:57 |
| annegentle | etoews: that works until a PTL disagrees with you on a review, but it's a great approach for making the guidelines stick! | 00:58 |
| ycombinator | don't want to go down a rabbit hole, but what incentive to projects have to follow these guidelines? | 00:58 |
| sigmavirus24 | annegentle: and hopefully by that point, that draft hasn't been suggested for use and accepted in too many places because then it might need to be changed | 00:58 |
| etoews | right. i'd just like to see us come at this both from the top down (TC and PTL) and bottom up (API WG members doing reviews). | 00:58 |
| cyeoh | ycombinator: so the inconsistencies I've mostly seen within Nova have been due to people not knowing and so making stuff up. I think we just start with guidance first | 00:59 |
| annegentle | etoews: definitely like "review guidance, pronto" then we also see where any areas lie that need more consensus building | 00:59 |
| annegentle | cyeoh: heh good point | 00:59 |
| cyeoh | ycombinator: if we need more stick then thats probably something the TC should be doing | 00:59 |
| ycombinator | right, I'm thinking if there's a carrot instead | 01:00 |
| cyeoh | ycombinator: we print stickers :-) | 01:00 |
| elmiko | lol | 01:00 |
| ycombinator | heh | 01:00 |
| etoews | getting +1's from API WG members on your reviews is a pretty good carrot. | 01:00 |
| etoews | and stickers. | 01:01 |
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| cyeoh | etoews: agreed ;-) | 01:01 |
| cyeoh | anyway I think we're out of time. | 01:01 |
| etoews | 1 more thing. | 01:01 |
| cyeoh | meet again in 2 weeks or is that too soon after summit? | 01:01 |
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| etoews | the APIImpact flag that didn't appear on the web page. | 01:01 |
| annegentle | that'll help keep momentum | 01:01 |
| elmiko | cyeoh: +1 for 2weeks | 01:02 |
| cyeoh | etoews: yea I saw your comment I haven't had a chance to hunt that down yet. Odd since its been published once at least. | 01:02 |
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| etoews | okay. | 01:02 |
| annegentle | cyeoh: I think it didn't get built it's because it's not part of index.rst any more | 01:02 |
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| annegentle | too many it's | 01:02 |
| etoews | it's okay | 01:03 |
| cyeoh | annegentle: ok I'll try submitting a patch which adds the templates back in | 01:03 |
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| annegentle | cyeoh: ok | 01:03 |
| annegentle | thanks cyeoh for running this meeting! | 01:03 |
| elmiko | yea, thanks! | 01:03 |
| ycombinator | yes, thanks! | 01:03 |
| etoews | anyway. i'd like to send the idea of APIImapct out to openstack-dev when it gets published to encourage other programs to do the same. | 01:03 |
| etoews | thanks for everything cyeoh! | 01:03 |
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| cyeoh | thanks everyone for attending! | 01:04 |
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| cyeoh | #endmeeting | 01:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 30 01:04:06 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:04 |
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| carl_baldwin | hi all | 14:58 |
| yamamoto_ | hi | 14:58 |
| ChuckC | o/ | 14:58 |
| carl_baldwin | We’ll try to have a quick meeting this morning. I’ve got to get on the road this morning. | 14:59 |
| carl_baldwin | Starting my travel today to the summit. | 14:59 |
| yamahata | hi | 14:59 |
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| carl_baldwin | yamamoto_: ChuckC: yamahata: hi | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 30 15:00:39 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | #Announcements | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | Summit is next week! | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | We will not be having this meeting next week. Hopefully, many of us can meet face to face at summit. | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | Any other announcements? | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Bugs | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:02 | |
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| carl_baldwin | I don’t see any new l3-ipam-dhcp bugs. | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | Does anyone have any bugs to bring up? | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Agenda | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:03 | |
| carl_baldwin | I’m short on time today. So, what agenda items do we need to hit today? | 15:04 |
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| carl_baldwin | One topic I’d like to hit is what we would like to discuss face-to-face in Paris. | 15:04 |
| yamahata | I'd like to suggest the topic of 3 agent/plug in refactoring and l3 routervm plugin. | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | devvesa mention BGP on the mailing list. I don’t see him around today so we’ll take that discussion to the ML. | 15:05 |
| matrohon | A dedicated pod to talk about BGP has been planned on wednesday by jaume | 15:05 |
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| carl_baldwin | matrohon: Thanks. Do you happen to know the time? | 15:06 |
| matrohon | carl_baldwin : not yep. can we already book a POD? | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | yamahata: I’d like some time to talk about the refactoring effort as well. What do you think a good time may be? | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | matrohon: I don’t think we can book PODs but we should discuss some potential times. | 15:07 |
| yamahata | morning or lunch time. Or non neutron session time. | 15:07 |
| yamahata | I uploaded my specs. | 15:07 |
| yamahata | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131952/ | 15:07 |
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| yamahata | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105078/ | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | yamahata: Thanks for the links. I will download them for review as I travel. | 15:08 |
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| carl_baldwin | I encourage others to take a look as well. | 15:08 |
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| mrsmith | sounds good | 15:09 |
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| matrohon | please put your name on etherpad to attend BGP POD : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/bgp-vpn-dynamic-routing | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | Here are a couple of summit links that I have found useful: | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | #link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/ | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Kilo/Etherpads | 15:10 |
| * carl_baldwin just put his name on the etherpad | 15:10 | |
| carl_baldwin | I see the proposed time too. | 15:11 |
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| carl_baldwin | I just created this. Please help me propose times and locations and add your names…. | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-l3-refactoring | 15:12 |
| seizadi | Hi, We have session for pluggable IPAM also: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-ipam | 15:13 |
| carl_baldwin | seizadi: Thanks, you beat me to that one. | 15:13 |
| seizadi | http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/event/a6cc78ce6248f351321feecbad6a5092#.VFJVT77P5Id | 15:13 |
| carl_baldwin | IPAM will have a design session that I will moderate. | 15:13 |
| carl_baldwin | I will be working on the etherpad for that today. I have a lot of ideas. | 15:14 |
| seizadi | Great it is on Thu so may be we can meet before and discuss | 15:14 |
| matrohon | concerning l3 agent refactoring, I see some overlaps with modular l2 agent -> is it a target to have one modular agent for all? | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | seizadi: That would be good. | 15:15 |
| seizadi | This week we will submit a patch with the proposed code as you asked. | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | matrohon: I don’t think that has been a stated goal. | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | matrohon: However, finding common functionality and abstracting that in to common software should be considered. | 15:16 |
| matrohon | carl_baldwin : make sense | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | Some common functions that have been suggested are state management and synchronization, namespace management, and others that I can’t remember at the moment. | 15:17 |
| mrsmith | carl_baldwin - how will all the work get split up? | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: Something that I would like very much to discuss face to face. | 15:18 |
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| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: I kind of think that a few things need to be done before things can be split up very effectively. | 15:19 |
| mrsmith | just keep me on the list of devs willing to jump in and help | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: We *really* need functional testing as discussed in the DVR meeting yesterday. | 15:20 |
| mrsmith | agreed | 15:20 |
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| carl_baldwin | Any kind of substantial refactoring will be held up if the functionality is not covered with functional tests. | 15:21 |
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| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: Do you have any thoughts on how to get a good start on the testing? | 15:21 |
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| mrsmith | we have someone on our test who has started | 15:23 |
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| mrsmith | I can check with him to see where he is at | 15:23 |
| mrsmith | and what else needs to be done | 15:23 |
| mrsmith | I am currently working on a couple backlog patches however | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: Great to hear. I’d like to include marun and amuller in the process early. Otherwise, I think we’ll be surprised by their feedback in reviews. | 15:23 |
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| mrsmith | regardless, it is a good reminder that focus needs to be on func testing | 15:24 |
| marun | +1 :) | 15:24 |
| matrohon | FYI : multi-node tempest test should be writable soon : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/106043/ | 15:24 |
| mrsmith | great! | 15:25 |
| yamamoto_ | great | 15:25 |
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| carl_baldwin | +1 | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | I’ve got about 5 minutes before I need to get on the road. I will have email most of the time but will not be on IRC. | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | Any other topics to discuss? | 15:26 |
| yamamoto_ | nothing from me | 15:27 |
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| carl_baldwin | I look forward to seeing many of you in Paris. | 15:27 |
| chuckC_ | :) | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | Thanks everyone. | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 15:28 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 30 15:28:28 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2014/neutron_l3.2014-10-30-15.00.html | 15:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2014/neutron_l3.2014-10-30-15.00.txt | 15:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2014/neutron_l3.2014-10-30-15.00.log.html | 15:28 |
| yamamoto_ | bye | 15:28 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: s3wong hemanthravi LouisF rms_13: hi | 18:00 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets get started | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 30 18:01:30 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:01 |
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| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: hi | 18:02 |
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| s3wong | hello | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any breaking news anyone would like to share? ;-) | 18:02 |
| * SumitNaiksatam feeling happy about the giants victory! | 18:03 | |
| LouisF | bumgarner for prez | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: lol! | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok moving to the agenda then | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topics Specs in review | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | over the past couple of days we merged the pending spec related to network service policy (NSP) | 18:04 |
| rms_13 | SumitNaiksatam: hi | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and the vendor driver specs | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | fyi - #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/group-based-policy-specs/log/ | 18:05 |
| * glebo dodgers fan, but still feeling happy for rest of NorCal about Giants big win. Soooo fun to watch that last night. | 18:05 | |
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| glebo | (bum's the one!) | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we will review and merge the other specs either during the next week or when we come back from Paris | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | also these will serve as topics for the design summit session discussion | 18:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | these are the currently pending spec reviews #link #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/group-based-policy-specs+branch:master,n,z | 18:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Patches in review | 18:09 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | hi | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we had a focussed review meeting on Tuesday to zone in on the service redirect/chain related patches | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if you missed this IRC meeting, the logs are here: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/File:Gbp-sc-patch-reviews-10282014.pdf | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | based on the discussion and presumably better understanding of these patches, we have reviewed and started merging some of them | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/group-based-policy/ | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | some of the service chain model and redirect patches have been merged | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | a few of them are still in review and close to merging | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/group-based-policy+branch:master,n,z | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the remaining patches also includes the patch on Network Service Policy resource that we added to the GBP model | 18:13 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129545/ | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i responded to your comment on the above patch yesterday | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: are you still -1 on this? | 18:14 |
| ivar-lazzaro | *looking* | 18:14 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: ok I totally misunderstood the intention of that value parameter | 18:15 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: removing -1 | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay, np | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | is magesh here? | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: how are we doing on: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130920/ | 18:16 |
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| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam, working on resolving the patch conflicts and address the comments | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: okay great | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: any ETA? ;-P | 18:18 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam, magesh addressed most of the comments, expecting to be done in 1-2 hrs | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: sweet | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay that leaves us with the vendor patches | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | both sets of patches are failing UTs | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130418 | 18:20 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam, will fix the UTs for NVSD once the rebase is done | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: ok thanks | 18:21 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: investigating on this | 18:21 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Paris summit next week | 18:21 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we are collecting topics for the design session here: | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-gbp-design-summit-topics | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | please add your input | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | a lot of it will be driven by what we reviewed in the patches in the past couple of weeks | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think that has generated a lot of open items (mostly being documented as bugs now) | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | btw the design summit session is here: #link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/event/98dc4255384e340682137c8a7ee7e60d#.VFKCJYt4r4w | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | please add to your schedule | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i know glebo can’t make it, hope everyone else is busy packing their bags and getting ready to go! ;-) | 18:24 |
| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: i will not be there but Cathy and Nicolas Bouthors will be | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | also the GBP conference session is on monday, #link https://openstacksummitnovember2014paris.sched.org/event/3381db355f042c612c11960a588e31de#.VEfLxYt4r4w | 18:25 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: oh bummer! | 18:25 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: yeah, cathy mentioned she was going | 18:25 |
| * glebo sorry. Immovable personal event. Will b there next time. | 18:26 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: can you channelize your input on the etherpad? | 18:26 |
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| LouisF | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: yeah, i understand! | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything else we need to discuss in the context of the next week? | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: anything you wanted to share on the packaging front? | 18:27 |
| rkukura | making some progress | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: sweet! | 18:28 |
| rkukura | Don’t see any obstacles - just need time to work on it. | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: perhaps we can have a separate agenda item on this in the future | 18:28 |
| glebo | I will be in attendance remotely, and Yi Sun and Gary Duan from our team will be in attendance physically (mentally, no promises ;-) | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ok good to know | 18:28 |
| rkukura | I’ve had to focus on ML2 and other neutron stuff lately. | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: sure | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ok | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i have a few doubts about the client packaging since the client does not have a stable/juno branch | 18:29 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: agenda item makes sense, particularly if we start packaging for multiple distros and various people are involved. | 18:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: currently what we have tested is an in between version | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: true | 18:29 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Agreed lack of stable client complicates things a bit | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: anyway, we can take that offline and/or discuss f2f | 18:30 |
| rkukura | We may need branches to track the versions that vendors use | 18:30 |
| rkukura | sure | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: that would be great | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: accept i havent figured out how to administer branches in a stackforge project | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: you have any leads on this? | 18:31 |
| rkukura | No, haven’t looked | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we also need to add a “jnuo-gbp-x” label | 18:31 |
| glebo | times shown on agenda are paris local time, correct? | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *juno | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: they are paris local times | 18:32 |
| rkukura | right, and it would be nice for our labled versions to get “official” tarballs that the packages would use. | 18:32 |
| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: thx | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: exactly | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | oh btw, in the review section we missed that we have client and heat patches in review as well | 18:33 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: question regarding the packaging | 18:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | client patches #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/python-group-based-policy-client+branch:master,n,z | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: go ahead | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | heat pacthes: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/group-based-policy-automation+branch:master,n,z | 18:34 |
| rkukura | I’ll need to know which sets of in-review patches to include in each project so that everything has a chance to work together properly. | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | horizon patches: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/group-based-policy-ui+branch:master,n,z | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: absolutely | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i would tend to think we would have everything merged what we need to package | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: latest by when do you need to know this? | 18:35 |
| rkukura | Not really sure when I’ll get to the other projects, but would be helpful to know which server-side patches to include. | 18:36 |
| rkukura | Would be helpful to know that now or tomorrow. | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i think i will be able to let you know by EOD | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: latest by tomorrow morning | 18:37 |
| rkukura | OK, thanks | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: our original deadline was today morning | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: but all schedules are meant to slip :-( | 18:37 |
| rkukura | we’re a bit behind, but I’d like to have something at least ready to test before the summit | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes, i will let you know at the earliest | 18:38 |
| rkukura | ok - It won’t block my work yet | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ok good to know | 18:38 |
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| rkukura | Is the stuff already merged sufficient for first cut? | 18:39 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: not yet | 18:39 |
| rkukura | On the server? | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | no | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: the service chain model in kind of in a transient state | 18:39 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | in -> is | 18:39 |
| ivar-lazzaro | rkukura SumitNaiksatam: I would say let's try to pull in the vendor drivers as well | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yes we will, as long as they are ready by EOD :-) | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: we acually by evening today | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we -> well | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i wanted to avoid this last minute rush for you | 18:40 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: hence we were trying to speed this up, unfortunately we are where we are | 18:41 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | everybody has worked pretty hard on this! | 18:41 |
| rkukura | I just want to get server package building and working, then can update it. | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: sure, in that case you can give it a shot | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay, anything else we want to discuss today? | 18:42 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | alrighty, thanks folks for joining | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | by next week you should be able to pull a devstack and see all of this running | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | (in fact its mostly functional today as well) | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | see you all in Paris (or at least most of you) | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye till then! | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeeting | 18:43 |
| rkukura | Our “yum install openstack-gbp-neutron” or something like that! | 18:43 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Au revoir | 18:43 |
| glebo | adios | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: sure | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 30 18:44:13 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-10-30-18.01.html | 18:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-10-30-18.01.txt | 18:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-10-30-18.01.log.html | 18:44 |
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| rkukura | bye | 18:45 |
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| bouthors | LouisF: Hi | 19:08 |
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| bouthors | No GBP meeting today? | 19:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bouthors: we had the meeting | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bouthors: i think you missed the time by an hour :-( | 19:15 |
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| bouthors | SumitNaiksatam: Thanks, True we moved to winter time in France, Forgot to adjust | 19:20 |
| bouthors | SumitNaiksatam: See you in Paris next week. | 19:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | bouthors: ah | 19:22 |
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