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| SumitNaiksatam | hi | 18:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: there? | 18:32 |
| badveli | yes | 18:32 |
| badveli | hello sumit | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i dont see SridarK or glebo online yet | 18:32 |
| badveli | i did not see glebo | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting Networking FWaaS | 18:33 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 29 18:33:01 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:33 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 18:33 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: we can keep this meeting short since i imagine people are preparing for attending the summit | 18:33 |
| badveli | fine sumit | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic bugs | 18:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 18:34 | |
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| badveli | i did not see any new ones | 18:34 |
| glebo | lo m8s | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: hi there | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there was some discussion in the ML around this: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1386543 | 18:35 |
| badveli | yes i was seeing it | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this in a artifact of the underlying reference driver we use (i.e. iptables) | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we use the same iptables lib as security groups | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so this is not specifically a FWaaS issue per say | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: badveli: thoughts? | 18:37 |
| badveli | iptables should be repopulated | 18:38 |
| badveli | looks like we had not seen the issue, back | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: we do repopulate iptables rules | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: however i believe that does not affect existing connections | 18:39 |
| badveli | fine sumit, i am not sure how this is happening | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: i think that is expected, right? | 18:41 |
| badveli | once the rule exists, it should take into affect | 18:41 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the related bug file in SG is #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1335375 | 18:43 |
| badveli | may there is a first rule that is allowing | 18:44 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | and this is the related bp: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/conntrack-in-security-group | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the suggestion is to use conntrack for handling existing connections | 18:46 |
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| badveli | sumit, you might be right | 18:47 |
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| badveli | i need to check what is happening, should we try with adding connection track? | 18:47 |
| badveli | its an option | 18:47 |
| badveli | in the ip table ruke | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: yes | 18:47 |
| badveli | sorry rule | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: however i believe this has to be made part of the underlying iptables lib | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: but you can certainly experiment and see if it works | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: shoudl we assign the bug to you? | 18:48 |
| badveli | fine with me | 18:49 |
| badveli | as you remember in service groups we said idle time out | 18:49 |
| badveli | if we have the connection track it might be easier for us to implement in reference implementation | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: yes | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | issue summarized here: #link http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-list/2006-January/msg03171.html | 18:50 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | depends on how we have configured our iptables rules, if we have “RELATED,ESTABLISHED” | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | which i believe we do | 18:51 |
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| badveli | it might be harder for some protocols | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: have assigned the bug to you | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | please update the bug and provide a reference to the SG bug | 18:53 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: i dont see any other critical or high priority bugs | 18:54 |
| badveli | fine sumit, looks like the connection track would be available for most of the protocols | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: do you see any other high priority bugs? | 18:55 |
| badveli | i was looking in the reverse order | 18:55 |
| badveli | so could not see this immediately | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: sure, we first need to triage any untriaged bugs | 18:55 |
| glebo | fyi, on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/conntrack-in-security-group the text is a bit too mangled for me to understand. Do others get it? | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: i think the high order bit is that they want to use the conntrack tools | 18:56 |
| * SumitNaiksatam realizes that he stating the obvious as he typed it ;-P | 18:57 | |
| badveli | glebo, based on the protocols there may be different states | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: i dont think a spec has been created | 18:57 |
| glebo | ack | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: we will get more clarity when we see that | 18:57 |
| badveli | ftp for example initially uses control and data seperately | 18:57 |
| badveli | it would be hard to affect the existing connections with the rules | 18:58 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: true, i think all that gets abstracted into the use of the conntrack tools | 18:58 |
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| badveli | yes sumit | 18:58 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | natarajk: SridharRamaswamy: noticed you guys joined! :-) | 18:58 |
| natarajk | yes, hi | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we are having a short meeting today though in anticipation of the f2f time in paris next week | 18:59 |
| natarajk | sure | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok moving on | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic docs | 18:59 |
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| badveli | hello all | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK is not here today | 18:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #action SumitNaiksatam to follow up with SridarK on open documentation bugs | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Paris summit planning | 19:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so, we are all aware that we dont have a dedicated fwaas design summit session | 19:00 |
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| natarajk | i have voted for FwaaS lightning talk | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | natarajk: nice, thanks :-) | 19:01 |
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| natarajk | wouldn't we get some time in Adv services spin out ? | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | natarajk: yes sure, getting to that | 19:01 |
| glebo | natarajk: link for where we vote likewise? I'll do it now. So will badveli | 19:01 |
| natarajk | https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/RLTPBY6 | 19:02 |
| glebo | do we need to vote for the adv services spin out, or that's already set? | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | natarajk: ah nice, i did not see notice that | 19:02 |
| glebo | natarajk: ack. thx | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks for the link | 19:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/RLTPBY6 | 19:02 |
| natarajk | Please vote for servicevm (tacker) also | 19:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | natarajk: sure | 19:03 |
| * glebo voting now | 19:04 | |
| * glebo but also paying attention | 19:04 | |
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| glebo | this one will help us too: | 19:04 |
| badveli | it always pushed down even if we want to see at 1 | 19:04 |
| glebo | "Gaps in Neutron from the Operators point of view" | 19:04 |
| glebo | because the Ops can't run Neutron if they can't LB and FW and such | 19:05 |
| glebo | That's the very real state of things from our customers. Customers had been VERY excited and active on OS, and are now backing off because of the lack of stability, features, and fullness to run their cloud | 19:05 |
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| badveli | glebo+100 | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: but you want to make sure that talk has the same PoV as yours :-) | 19:06 |
| glebo | So that session should be be, in part, a promo session for our efforts, both here and in service insertion and GBP | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: this is a lightening talk not a discussion | 19:06 |
| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: That can be influenced, given customer relationship | 19:06 |
| glebo | ;-) | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: the proposer of that session has in the past expressed taht services’ related work is not the highest priority | 19:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i would not be surprised that particular session is only focussed on “stability” and in fact discouraging new features | 19:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | but there are no abstracts posted | 19:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so this is just my guess | 19:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyway, moving on | 19:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we will also get some roundtable time on Friday | 19:09 |
| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: yeah, | 19:09 |
| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: it's the age old "connect, then secure, then scale" | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: true | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | for that discussion lets all contribute to the etherpad: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-fwaas | 19:09 |
| glebo | services aren't a hi pri until basic conn works | 19:10 |
| glebo | but as soon as basic conn works, security is super hi pri because people can't go production w/o sec | 19:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: very well said, wish others appreciated that as well! | 19:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we also need to participate/lead in the adv services’ spin out discussion: #link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/event/8a0b7c1d64883c08286e4446e163f1a6#.VFE774t4r4z | 19:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so we need to meet and plan for that | 19:14 |
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| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: +1 to everyone participating in adv serv discussion | 19:14 |
| glebo | +1 | 19:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | how about we meet sometime on tuesday afternoon/evening to start discussion on these things? | 19:14 |
| glebo | can we have a pre-meeting to that this week, maybe Thur or Fri? | 19:15 |
| glebo | via web conf | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: its tight, but i am up for it | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: so you want to do this with the fwaas folks? | 19:15 |
| glebo | I was thinking adv services folks, | 19:16 |
| natarajk | i can attend next tuesday evening | 19:16 |
| glebo | was trying to begin the planning here, in FWaaS | 19:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: sure | 19:16 |
| glebo | then role it out to the others | 19:16 |
| * glebo checking calenar | 19:16 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | natarajk: great | 19:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: natarajk badveli: when are you folks reaching paris? | 19:17 |
| glebo | how about either 10 am PDT Thur (tomorrow) , ie right before GBP, or | 19:17 |
| glebo | 2pm PDT Thur? | 19:17 |
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| glebo | either of those work for others? | 19:17 |
| natarajk | I travelling tomorrow and reaching Paris on Friday | 19:18 |
| glebo | well, about that... | 19:18 |
| glebo | badveli and I not able to make it in person. | 19:18 |
| glebo | I've got immovable personal commitment (hosting mother's 70 bday party, big event) | 19:18 |
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| glebo | and badveli has code deadlines | 19:19 |
| glebo | But gary duan, and Yi Sun from vArmour will be there in person | 19:19 |
| glebo | gary arrives there later tonight | 19:19 |
| glebo | not sure about Yi Sun | 19:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: that is an absolute bummer! | 19:19 |
| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: hold on, | 19:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: shoot | 19:19 |
| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: don't cry me a beer just yet | 19:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: i was heavily looking forward to your participation | 19:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: i already did! | 19:20 |
| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: we are all staying very tight on this stuff, and have met a few times this week to stay sync'd up, get priorities and place, and such | 19:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: any chance you can make it later in the week? | 19:20 |
| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: and i will b participating remotely | 19:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: its not the same | 19:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: anyway | 19:20 |
| * glebo would like to talk about remote participation tactics after this scheduling thing | 19:21 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: okay | 19:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: so lets check with folks on what time works best 10 or 2 tomorrow | 19:21 |
| glebo | so, adv services planning mtg tomorrow: which works? | 19:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | natarajk: wont be able to make it | 19:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: can you send an email to the team, if not, i can | 19:21 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | alright we have 5 mins | 19:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so conf call tomorrow to decide the paris summit logistics | 19:25 |
| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: well, can us there decide on a time, then I'll propose that? 10 or 2? | 19:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything else folks to discuss here? | 19:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: just sent an email on that | 19:25 |
| glebo | s/us there/us here | 19:25 |
| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: wow, u fast man | 19:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: badveli: if nothing else, lets wrap up for today | 19:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic blueprints | 19:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: have you submitted the service groups spec? | 19:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: glebo: still there? | 19:29 |
| glebo | y | 19:29 |
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| * glebo was beating badveli over head with wet noodle about service group spec not yet submitted | 19:29 | |
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| glebo | he'll have it in today, tomorrow latest | 19:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: ok great! | 19:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: dont be too harsh :-P | 19:30 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: we love badveli ! | 19:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | on that love festy note, lets wrap for today | 19:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all for joining | 19:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 29 19:31:27 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:31 |
| glebo | adios | 19:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-10-29-18.33.html | 19:31 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-10-29-18.33.txt | 19:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-10-29-18.33.log.html | 19:31 |
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