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| SumitNaiksatam | hi | 18:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: badveli: there? | 18:32 |
| SridarK | Hi SumitNaiksatam | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets get started | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting Networking FWaaS | 18:32 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 12 18:32:57 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:32 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 18:33 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | probably light attendance today, people still getting back from the summit | 18:33 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes seems that way | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic bugs | 18:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 18:33 | |
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| SridarK | glebo: hi | 18:34 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: hi there | 18:34 |
| glebo | 'lo | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | doesnt seem like anything significant has popped up the bugs front | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we did a scrub last time, and we have a shorter list today | 18:34 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Docs | 18:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Docs (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 18:35 | |
| badveli | hello all | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: any follow up on #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1346986 | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: hi! | 18:35 |
| badveli | hello sumit and all | 18:35 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: not much happened last week i will do this | 18:35 |
| SridarK | badveli: hi | 18:35 |
| badveli | hello sridar | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: great, thanks | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: i think rudrajit has unassigned himself | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: perhaps we can add the relevant fwaas part? | 18:36 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: ok i will do take care of that | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: also i think we need to sync up with the DVR team if they covered the services part as well in their documentation (in the context of the FWaaS for DVR) | 18:37 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i will touch base with Swami & Rajeev on that | 18:37 |
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| * glebo will brb | 18:38 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | #action SridarK SumitNaiksatam to follow up with Swami/Rajeev//DVR team on FWaaS documentation in the context of DVR (and N-S firewall functionality) | 18:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Kilo blueprints | 18:39 |
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| fwaas | hi | 18:39 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: hi | 18:40 |
| vishwanathj | hello | 18:40 |
| SridarK | vishwanathj: hi | 18:40 |
| * glebo bac | 18:40 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: you are following up on the service groups/objects spec | 18:40 |
| badveli | yes | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: link? | 18:41 |
| badveli | i had some comments and | 18:41 |
| glebo | I have reviewed it privately w/ bauzas, and will add those comments publicly now for others to see | 18:41 |
| badveli | let me post it, we are already in the review | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131596/ | 18:41 |
| glebo | s/ with bauzas/with badveli | 18:42 |
| badveli | only one thing i was not sure was tempest | 18:42 |
| badveli | one of the comment was add a tempest spec | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: you had already posted a tempest patch, right? | 18:43 |
| badveli | yes sumit, but they are asking a spec | 18:43 |
| badveli | tempest spec | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: ok, perhaps a new requirement | 18:43 |
| badveli | yes, i am trying to check which one needs the tempest spec | 18:43 |
| badveli | and when do we need it | 18:44 |
| glebo | have we id'd who are the MUST have reviewers in order for approval to pass by PTL? | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: tempest spec i guess will not get approved until the neutron implementation patch gets approved | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: badveli: you can add “neutron-core” to the reviewer’s list | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this will add all the neutron cores | 18:45 |
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| badveli | ok, i will add it | 18:45 |
| badveli | https://github.com/openstack/qa-specs/tree/master/specs | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridharRamaswamy: hi | 18:45 |
| badveli | i am going through the existing tempest specifications, to know | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: do you think you are on top of the comments, or do we need to discuss anything here? | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *review comments | 18:46 |
| badveli | i think i am | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: okay good | 18:46 |
| badveli | thanks for asking sumit | 18:47 |
| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: yes, we can, but as we learned last time, there are certain cores that matter most, i.e. PTL will not finally approve without those reviewers | 18:47 |
| SridarK | badveli: we are not doing any significant changes to the data model correct ? | 18:47 |
| badveli | no | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: have you seen any documentation for this? | 18:47 |
| SridarK | *from Juno spec | 18:47 |
| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: last time, Mark explained there needed to be a "Security" reviewer, and an API reviewer | 18:47 |
| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: nothing public, only the irc chat transcript between Mark and myself a few months back | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: i am not aware who those are, but please update the team with any information you dig up on this front | 18:48 |
| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: Mark said we would identify and assign them specifically once Kilo opened. | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the second spec we wanted to put immediately was on the FWaaS insertion | 18:49 |
| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: Now that Kilo is open, we need to close loop on that and identify with Mark & Kyle exactly who must be in approver chain for them to approve it themselves | 18:49 |
| glebo | before we leave the Service Objects & Groups spec, | 18:50 |
| glebo | does anyone understand what needs to be done to satisfy this comment from mestery: | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: i believe this should be a documented policy if indeed it is, it should not be function of informal discussions | 18:50 |
| glebo | "I'm particularly concerned about the lack of details of the Open Source implementation. Given the community will be left maintaining this, I'd like more details around this before we consider merging this." | 18:50 |
| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: clearly, and agreed. But it's not. This is what Mark said needed to happen. And he agreed it was not documented. So I'm following that. | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: perhaps good idea to ask for explanation in the gerrit review | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: to your question on the comment left in the review | 18:52 |
| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: more specifically, which part of "Open Source" implementation might he be referring to? | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: i believe a similar comment was made earlier when this was -2’ed but no explanantion was provided | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: so i share your confusion | 18:52 |
| glebo | anyone else have any idea to what "lack of details of the Open Source implementation." may be referring to? | 18:53 |
| badveli | yes, there is no open source implementation as such i am thinking to explain a bit of our reference implementaions | 18:53 |
| SridarK | glebo: i agree that gerrit is a good place to seek clarification | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: i am not sure if somehow the conclusion is being drawn that to implement this fucntionality we need something beyond iptables (in the reference implementation) | 18:53 |
| SridarK | glebo: the patch should be covering this on our existing iptables implementation | 18:54 |
| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: & SridarK: ok, will try to get clarification via gerrit. Just didn't want to bug in public if we were missing something obvious | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: i agree | 18:54 |
| badveli | Sridar, sumit, if we explain about out refernce implementaions | 18:54 |
| SridarK | glebo: i think we just need to clarify about the backend on the ref impl | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: which line number on the review? | 18:54 |
| glebo | mestery review Nov 7 09:13, general comment (i.e. not inline to the text) | 18:55 |
| badveli | cwe can explain more about our reference implementations | 18:55 |
| badveli | we | 18:55 |
| SridarK | badveli: i think so too | 18:55 |
| glebo | badveli: is it clear to you what is needed to address this comment? | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay, so to me it shows that lack of understanding of the spec | 18:56 |
| badveli | yes glebo, | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | either the review was done in a hurry or may be we didnt do a good job of explaining | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: perhaps clearly mentioning that this relies on the existing iptables library might help | 18:57 |
| glebo | badveli: great. Then lets get the change made asap and we'll validate w/ mestery that it suffices, and if not, we'll get clarification on exactly what he wants to see | 18:57 |
| badveli | Yes sumit, i am not sure why do we need to explain about this | 18:57 |
| badveli | glebo, they also requested i file a tempest spec | 18:57 |
| badveli | i am working on that | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: glebo: the other thing we can also do is bring this up for discussion in next week’s neutron IRC meeting | 18:57 |
| glebo | badveli: yup, understood | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it is an on demand agenda, so given the amount of time this has been in review, i think it makes sense to get some focussed attention on it | 18:58 |
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| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: let's get a touch of text to clarify in place, ask mestery to review, and if it's not addressed, then we can bring it up in neutron. Good idea | 18:58 |
| badveli | ok | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: yeah, i meant it in that order; if things are resolved before the next meeting, we dont have to bring it up :-) | 18:59 |
| glebo | let's get the ball back into reviewers' courts asap | 18:59 |
| badveli | fine glebo | 18:59 |
| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: ack | 18:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: regarding the firewall insertion spec, is there anything new we need to discuss? | 19:00 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i am still on the wall about router_id as the proposal from Mark, did not get a chance to discuss more with him, we can take this up in gerrit | 19:01 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: in thinking more about this and also in discussion with folks that handle networks - i am getting feedback that L2 is also a strong requirement | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: so we decided that we will put the spec in as is (per demand by mark) and take it from there? | 19:03 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes i think that is best | 19:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ok great | 19:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open discussion | 19:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we all met and discussed plenty in person over the last few days | 19:05 |
| glebo | back on fw insertion | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything we missed or needs follow up today? | 19:05 |
| glebo | did we send email to mark yet asking for clarification on L3 req? | 19:05 |
| glebo | that was to be step 1, | 19:05 |
| glebo | right? | 19:05 |
| * glebo behind on OS emails at present | 19:05 | |
| SridarK | glebo: no i have not sent an email yet - i am in some discussions with deployment and customer facing folks | 19:06 |
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| BrianTorresGil | Working on writing up use-cases I've learned from users, per our discussion on Monday. Will send those to the group this week. | 19:07 |
| glebo | if my notes are correct, SumitNaiksatam and SridarK say we already have published text on why L3 is not sufficient, right? | 19:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | BrianTorresGil: great, thanks for following up | 19:07 |
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| glebo | so we just need to point to those? | 19:07 |
| SridarK | BrianTorresGil: hi & thx | 19:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: i will send pointer to existing docs | 19:08 |
| glebo | BrianTorresGil: same here. | 19:08 |
| glebo | BrianTorresGil: let's sync offline on which cases u r doing, so we don't dup efforts | 19:08 |
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| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: perfect | 19:08 |
| SridarK | glebo: no harm in churning again - we want to make sure we have wide consensus | 19:08 |
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| BrianTorresGil | glebo: sure, sounds good. Though I'm interested in what we come up with separately, too. | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | BrianTorresGil: yes, i agree | 19:09 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so glebo: we also had you on the hook for the use cases ;-) | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and arvind, but i dont think arvind is here | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so will follow up separately | 19:10 |
| SridarK | BrianTorresGil: yes that would be good - lets not influence each other - to take a look at this fairly independently and arrive at consensus | 19:10 |
| SridarK | perhaps i did not articulate this perfectly - but i think u see what i mean too | 19:10 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #action BrianTorresGil glebo arvind to exchange use cases within the fwaas team | 19:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #action BrianTorresGil glebo arvind to exchange use cases within the fwaas team by end of the week | 19:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we will consolidate these based on follow up discussion and proceed from there | 19:11 |
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| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: great. We can map out roughly what they cases are, and then fill in the detailed description following | 19:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: perfect! | 19:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay, anything more for today? | 19:13 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: enikanorov_ reached out in Paris for someone to handle the bugs that he does a prelim triage on - i have volunteered for that | 19:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: nice! | 19:13 |
| SridarK | and i will reach out to others to help | 19:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyone blocked on anything, or any other pressing concerns? | 19:13 |
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| SridarK | vishwanathj: welcome to the ur first fwaas irc | 19:14 |
| vishwanathj | thanks | 19:14 |
| vishwanathj | looking forward to guidance from you guys | 19:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | indeed, vishwanathj a warm welcome! | 19:15 |
| vishwanathj | Thanks SumitNaiksatam | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay so if nothing more, on that happy note, lets get back 15 mins of our time! | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all for joining | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 19:15 |
| SridarK | bye all | 19:15 |
| vishwanathj | awesome...bye all | 19:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:16 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 12 19:16:10 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:16 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-11-12-18.32.html | 19:16 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-11-12-18.32.txt | 19:16 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-11-12-18.32.log.html | 19:16 |
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| glebo | vishwanathj: big welcome! | 19:16 |
| glebo | ciao friends | 19:17 |
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