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| carl_baldwin | hi all | 14:58 |
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| amuller | hiya | 14:59 |
| johnbelamaric_ | hi | 14:59 |
| yamamoto | hi | 14:59 |
| Swami_ | h | 14:59 |
| ChuckC | hi | 14:59 |
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| carl_baldwin | amuller johnbelamaric_ yamamoto Swami_ ChuckC: hi | 15:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 20 15:00:20 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic Announcements | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:00 | |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam#Announcements | 15:00 |
| carl_baldwin | Mid-cycle sprint and the Neutron spec proposal/approval deadlines are on the calendar. | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | Any other announcements? | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic Bugs | 15:02 |
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| carl_baldwin | One new bug, bug 1388698, snuck in while we were at summit. | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1388698 | 15:03 |
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| carl_baldwin | Any other bugs that we need to discuss? | 15:04 |
| amuller | I don't understand the bug description | 15:05 |
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| amuller | Can you explain it Carl? | 15:05 |
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| carl_baldwin | amuller: I have looked at it closely yet. I may follow up with Eugene about it. | 15:06 |
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| amuller | there's a conflict in the bug description... anyway don't know if you want to spend any time on that bug right now | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | #action carl_baldwin will follow up on bug 1388698 with Eugene | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic L3 Agent Restructuring | 15:07 |
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| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131535/ I update the BP | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | I haven’t seen much review action on it since the update. | 15:08 |
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| Swami | rejoining | 15:09 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: Looks good | 15:09 |
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| carl_baldwin | pc_m: Thank you for your review! The only one. | 15:10 |
| SridharRamaswamy | carl_baldwin: looks good, switching to inheritance for router types is great | 15:10 |
| hareeshp | carl_baldwin: yes, I think you have fairly clearly explained the main points. | 15:10 |
| Swami | the spec is very detailed, but I have not reviewed it completely. Will do. | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | SridharRamaswamy: hareeshp: Thanks. I look forward to any other feedback that you might have. | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: Thanks. | 15:11 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: I'd like to mention the WIP I have up for review for people to comment on: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135392/2 | 15:11 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: It is a stab at taking a small step at teasing out the device driver loading. | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | pc_m: Thanks. I’m sorry I’ve not been over it yet. I will prioritize that for today. | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | I want to discuss functional testing today. | 15:12 |
| pc_m | Looking forward to peoples' thoughts. Trying to take it one piece at a time and hopefully keeping within the goal of the spec. | 15:12 |
| SridharRamaswamy | carl_baldwin: one related question - there are vendor codes in those device-drivers (for VPN, FW, LB) .. is it going to stay in tree and does it move to vendor repo (as proposed by Armando) | 15:13 |
| carl_baldwin | pc_m: Sounds good. | 15:13 |
| hareeshp | pc_m: Do you expect this loader to be used by the L3 agent? | 15:13 |
| SridharRamaswamy | s/and/or | 15:13 |
| pc_m | hareeshp: yes. | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | SridharRamaswamy: I think the ultimate goal is to enable them to move out of tree. However, moving out of tree is not a goal of this BP. | 15:14 |
| pc_m | hareeshp: it will need to go through some iterations though. | 15:14 |
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| SridharRamaswamy | carl_baldwin: sounds good, perhaps will stay in tree for kilo ? | 15:15 |
| pc_m | hareeshp: Wanted to get the logic out of the individual agents (which are in the L3 agent inheritance hierarchy right now) | 15:15 |
| hareeshp | carl_baldwin: My understanding is that the vendor code will also be moved to the advanced services repo when that happens | 15:15 |
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| carl_baldwin | SridharRamaswamy: Not sure. It could still move out for Kilo. | 15:15 |
| hareeshp | pc_m: ok. thanks! | 15:16 |
| SridharRamaswamy | carl_baldwin: okay | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | hareeshp: That may be the case. Moving it is out of scope for this BP. | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: What should be our next action toward getting the functional testing that we need? | 15:17 |
| hareeshp | carl_baldwin: understood and agreed. I think the loader will be useful exactly for that | 15:17 |
| pc_m | hareeshp: My thoughts were that the L3 agent could call this advanced service loader, where ever it ends up living. | 15:17 |
| carl_baldwin | hareeshp: But, I do see that this work will be key to enabling it to move. | 15:18 |
| amuller | carl_baldwin: I haven't spoken to Adolfo yet. I understand he wrote d/s testing for DVR. We should setup a meeting where we match expectations of what kind of meeting we can push into Neutron right now, and what has to wait for John's full-stack white box testing, and what can go in Tempest | 15:18 |
| amuller | what kind of tests* | 15:18 |
| hareeshp | carl_baldwin: agree | 15:18 |
| Swami | amuller: agreed, I will ask adolfo to keep in touch with you | 15:18 |
| amuller | Swami: Thanks | 15:19 |
| Swami | Yesterday we had a brief chat about this with Armando as well. | 15:19 |
| Swami | amuller: What would be the best time to reach you out. Do you prefer IRC meeting or a phone call with adolfo. | 15:20 |
| amuller | I think video chat would be best? Adolfo is based in the west coast? If so then his morning / my evening | 15:20 |
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| amuller | (I work Sunday to Thursday) | 15:20 |
| Swami | Ok, I will send you an update email on the logistics on how we can sync up. | 15:21 |
| amuller | alrighty | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: That limits the time frame down quite a bit. How late in the evening are you comfortable with? | 15:21 |
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| amuller | I guess 8pm Israel time | 15:22 |
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| amuller | should be 10 hours ahead of the west coast, if daylight savings is synced nowadays | 15:22 |
| Swami | amuller: Ok that helps. | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | Yes, I think DST is all gone now for the year. | 15:23 |
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| amuller | yeah it's 10 right now | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: Are you going to handle scheduling? Could you invite me? I’d like to know how I can help out. | 15:24 |
| mrsmith_ | include me as well please | 15:24 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: sure | 15:24 |
| amuller | Maru would ideally be there as well but we should schedule the meeting early next week at the latest | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: Thanks. | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: +1 | 15:25 |
| Swami | Next week is thanksgiving week. So probably we can have some thing scheduled for either Monday or Tuesday. | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: +1 I’m out Wednesday - Friday | 15:26 |
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| carl_baldwin | Anything else on refactoring? | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic bgp-dynamic-routing | 15:27 |
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| carl_baldwin | devvesa: ping | 15:27 |
| devvesa | hello | 15:27 |
| amuller | Carl do you have actionable patches you had in mind that you can split out / paralelize to someone else? | 15:27 |
| devvesa | btw. I just connected now. I can help in refactoring too | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | #undo | 15:27 |
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| amuller | That was a weird way of asking if I can help with some of the grunt work of the refactoring | 15:28 |
| amuller | or anyone else | 15:28 |
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| carl_baldwin | amuller: Great question. The first step is to break out the services from the L3 agent inheritence. pc_m is working on VPNaaS. FWaaS and metadata proxy are the other two. | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: I wonder if you could have a look at the patch by pc_m, provide feedback and look to also break out the metadata proxy. | 15:30 |
| pc_m | I'm trying to do some of the service stuff for all services. | 15:30 |
| pc_m | Starting with device drivers. | 15:30 |
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| amuller | I can handle the metadata stuff, unless Paul you wanted to do that? | 15:31 |
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| amuller | Generally though I'm saying maybe Carl you could try to enumerate a list of patches you had in mind, then we could try to figure out if there are patches that are not dependent | 15:32 |
| pc_m | no go ahead (I don't know anything about it). | 15:32 |
| amuller | then we hand some work out | 15:32 |
| carl_baldwin | I think we need to move on. We’re half way through the meeting time. amuller and pc_m: we’ll sync up on this in the reviews and on IRC. | 15:32 |
| amuller | ok | 15:32 |
| pc_m | +1 | 15:33 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic bgp-dynamic-routing | 15:33 |
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| carl_baldwin | devvesa: ping (again) | 15:33 |
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| devvesa | hello (again) | 15:33 |
| devvesa | not too much to say. I've been quite busy and I've just have had time to update the few nits from Mathieu | 15:33 |
| devvesa | next monday I will (re)start with the code | 15:34 |
| carl_baldwin | I sent a thread to the Neutron drivers team about the BP. I got some questions back from them but no big unresolved concerns. | 15:34 |
| devvesa | good. Can I do something about it? | 15:35 |
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| carl_baldwin | The biggest concern was that the L3 agent would be disruptive. But, this BP doesn’t really touch the agent. | 15:35 |
| devvesa | No, it doesn't. | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | I dropped the ball and missed the drivers meeting yesterday. (I’m not used to the new time yet, I guess) But, I will be sure to make the next meeting to discuss it. | 15:36 |
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| devvesa | Are the non-drivers/non-core allowed to participate? I can be there too | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | devvesa: It is a public meeting. It just moved to 1530 on Wednesdays. I would encourage you to be there too. | 15:37 |
| devvesa | Ok. I'll be there | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | It had been at 1500 UTC, same as this meeting. | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | The IPv6 guys showed some interest in dynamic routing for IPv6. I think that has helped to get some critical mass around it. I’m hoping the drivers team sees it that way. | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam#Blueprint:_bgp-dynamic-routing_.28devvesa.2C_yamamoto.2C_.29 | 15:40 |
| devvesa | Uhm.. Maybe I'll ping Sean Collins to take a glance to it then. His feedback can be so useful | 15:40 |
| carl_baldwin | This link has a lot of good information on the work that devvesa, yamamoto_ and others have already done. | 15:40 |
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| carl_baldwin | devvesa: Yes, that would be great. | 15:41 |
| devvesa | (the link is quite out of date... I will update it) | 15:41 |
| carl_baldwin | The interest with IPv6 comes from the fact that we have no floating IPs and NAT. So, we need plain routing to neutron networks. | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | devvesa: Updating would be great. Try to check for out of date content there from time to time. | 15:42 |
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| carl_baldwin | devvesa: Anything else on this topic? | 15:42 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic neutron-ipam | 15:43 |
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| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric_: seizadi: ping | 15:43 |
| johnbelamaric_ | hello | 15:43 |
| devvesa | carl_baldin: nothing else. thanks! | 15:43 |
| johnbelamaric_ | i saw your comments from yesterday, i will take a closer look today | 15:44 |
| carl_baldwin | I think the discussion in the reviews has been going well. Thanks for your timely feedback. | 15:44 |
| johnbelamaric_ | yes. as you mentioned in the comment i think we may be using different words for the same thing | 15:44 |
| johnbelamaric_ | we can discuss in detail on IRC later today or tomorrow after I review the new BP | 15:45 |
| carl_baldwin | I have an update to push. I made the updates yesterday but didn’t push. Let me look over it this morning and then push it. | 15:45 |
| johnbelamaric_ | ok thansk | 15:45 |
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| johnbelamaric_ | also - i think our subnet allocation use cases is not critical for kilo - our current Icehouse/Juno implementation doesn't do that. but i think it's a useful thing in the long run | 15:46 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric_: I’d still like to understand it. I don’t want to do something to make it more difficult to implement something like that later. | 15:46 |
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| johnbelamaric_ | agreed | 15:46 |
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| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: I just posted a new version of the proposed interface. | 15:48 |
| johnbelamaric_ | i need to try another IRC client - just lost connection - but I am back | 15:48 |
| johnbelamaric_ | thanks, i will look today | 15:48 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: Find me on IRC later today. Google Hangouts works well too. | 15:48 |
| johnbelamaric_ | ok | 15:48 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: Anything else? | 15:48 |
| johnbelamaric_ | nope | 15:49 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: Thanks! | 15:49 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic neutron-ovs-dvr | 15:49 |
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| carl_baldwin | Looks like we lost Swami | 15:49 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith_: Do you have anything? | 15:49 |
| mrsmith_ | yes | 15:50 |
| mrsmith_ | just wanted to ask about l3 ha and dvr | 15:50 |
| mrsmith_ | amuller - is there a patch currently or is this something you've started working on? | 15:50 |
| mrsmith_ | or is this something I can help with? | 15:51 |
| amuller | I haven't started and I don't think I will in the next month or so | 15:51 |
| mrsmith_ | do you mind if I look into it a bit? | 15:51 |
| amuller | I would kiss your feet | 15:51 |
| * pc_m :) | 15:51 | |
| amuller | So no I wouldn't mind :) | 15:51 |
| mrsmith_ | :) | 15:51 |
| mrsmith_ | cool | 15:51 |
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| carl_baldwin | mrsmith_: So, I guess it depends on whether you like having your feet kissed. ;) | 15:52 |
| mrsmith_ | other than that, we are knocking off issues off the l3-dvr-backlog | 15:52 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith_: Great. | 15:52 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith_: We still need to discuss the manual move. Will today be good? | 15:53 |
| mrsmith_ | ah.. yes... today should be good | 15:53 |
| mrsmith_ | I saw your comments on the re-schedule patch | 15:53 |
| mrsmith_ | all seem resonable | 15:53 |
| mrsmith_ | I am glad you like the new simple approach | 15:53 |
| carl_baldwin | I’ll need to take off for a short time after this meeting to get in to the office. | 15:53 |
| mrsmith_ | (me too) | 15:54 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith_: Funny, I can’t even remember making the comments. I review too much. | 15:54 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith_: Okay, ping me later. | 15:54 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Open Discussion | 15:54 |
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| mrsmith_ | I will ping you later on the manual move | 15:54 |
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| yamahata | Hi, I updated spec of module l3 router plugin and uploaded some (WIP) patches. | 15:55 |
| yamahata | I also update the wiki page according to it. | 15:56 |
| carl_baldwin | yamahata: I saw the update. Thanks for keeping that up to date. | 15:56 |
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| carl_baldwin | I see that I was part way through reviewing the blueprint. I will finish up that review. | 15:58 |
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| carl_baldwin | We’re out of time. Thanks for all your work, everyone. | 15:59 |
| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 20 15:59:50 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2014/neutron_l3.2014-11-20-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2014/neutron_l3.2014-11-20-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2014/neutron_l3.2014-11-20-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
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| eglynn | is this the right channel for the api wg meeting? | 16:02 |
| elmiko | i hope so =) | 16:03 |
| dtroyer | it is according to the calendar on G+ | 16:03 |
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| eglynn | hmmm, nothing for today on http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2014/ as yet | 16:04 |
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| eglynn | jaypipes: is the Euro-friendly alternating slot for the API WG kicking off this week? | 16:05 |
| salv-orlando | perhaps somebody should start the meeting with the appropriate command? | 16:05 |
| ryansb | eglynn: yes, according to the ML | 16:05 |
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| jaypipes | eglynn, salv-orlando: sorry, I am on a call... | 16:06 |
| eglynn | jaypipes: np | 16:06 |
| salv-orlando | jaypipes: I can start the meeting or wait | 16:06 |
| jaypipes | salv-orlando: please do proceed | 16:07 |
| salv-orlando | #startmeeting api wg | 16:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 20 16:07:05 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is salv-orlando. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:07 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:07 |
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| salv-orlando | today’s agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG | 16:07 |
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| salv-orlando | am I doing a meeting with myself only? | 16:08 |
| elmiko | i hope not | 16:08 |
| eglynn | salv-orlando: I'm here too | 16:08 |
| dtroyer | o/ | 16:09 |
| ryansb | I don't think so | 16:09 |
| ycombinator_ | o/ | 16:09 |
| eglynn | on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/API_Working_Group#Members I'm wondering about the proposed cut-off of Nov 15th | 16:09 |
| eglynn | i.e. whether this should be extended to allow laggards to join up and get a vote | 16:10 |
| salv-orlando | eglynn: membership cutoff? | 16:10 |
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| elmiko | eglynn: i think we should definitely extend to allow more folks with interest | 16:10 |
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| eglynn | salv-orlando: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131358/5/doc/source/process.rst line 41 | 16:10 |
| eglynn | elmiko: ++ | 16:11 |
| dtroyer | so pick another arbitrary date? | 16:11 |
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| salv-orlando | I tend to think membership should follow the same processes a getting core status | 16:11 |
| elmiko | dtroyer: how about by the end of the first point release for kilo? | 16:11 |
| eglynn | salv-orlando: currently it's pure self-selection, amiright? | 16:12 |
| dtroyer | salv-orlando: core seems a high bar, maybe ATC status? | 16:12 |
| elmiko | eglynn: that was my impression | 16:12 |
| salv-orlando | dtroyer: sorry I did not meant that one has to be core | 16:12 |
| salv-orlando | dtroyer: I meant membership should be granted/revoked using the same principle as the core teams | 16:12 |
| dtroyer | elmiko: I do like tying it to part of the release cycle, or a certain time following the summit, as that's probably where the bulk of new interest will come | 16:12 |
| eglynn | elmiko: i.e. the kilo-1 date? i.e. Dec 18th ... seems like fair notice | 16:12 |
| dtroyer | salv-orlando: understood, but that is still a high bar | 16:13 |
| ryansb | I think self-selection with recommended core status is a good system | 16:13 |
| salv-orlando | and therefore the group should always be open to accept new members, and kick off inactive members | 16:13 |
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| salv-orlando | sorry not kick off, kick out | 16:13 |
| salv-orlando | phrasal verbs, I’ll never get them right | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | o/ | 16:13 |
| dtroyer | maybe use review counts as a threshold? | 16:13 |
| dtroyer | no reviews == not participating | 16:13 |
| salv-orlando | dtroyer: that is a good idea. Still with human oversight rather than automated | 16:14 |
| dtroyer | sure, but having at least one metric should be helpful | 16:14 |
| salv-orlando | dtroyer: makes sense to me | 16:14 |
| eglynn | dtroyer: yep, good to a first approximation at least | 16:14 |
| elmiko | i think it would be nice to see folks who are interested either reviewing or showing up to meetings | 16:14 |
| dtroyer | is the notion that there is a fixed membership for the release cycle part of what was intended there? | 16:15 |
| eglynn | unfortunately no api-wg stats on http://stackalytics.com | 16:15 |
| eglynn | I don't know, but the process seems to involve setting the bar at 80% of the votes | 16:16 |
| dtroyer | actually, maybe that is only for the first cycle, during L we can look at the history fro Kilo | 16:16 |
| salv-orlando | eglynn: that can be sorted fairly easily I think. stackalytics I think uses russellb reviewstats code, I recall it was trivial to add new repos | 16:16 |
| elmiko | dtroyer: i thought the intent was to have a list of people who had early committed to the goals of the wg, and use that list as the first group of "core", although i hate to say that, members | 16:16 |
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| russellb | salv-orlando: nope, stackalytics is separate | 16:17 |
| russellb | there is a file in the stackalytics repo you have to hack to add a project i think | 16:17 |
| salv-orlando | russellb: ok. Then they’ve copied your idea and you should sue them! | 16:17 |
| russellb | :) | 16:17 |
| russellb | they made it prettier at least | 16:17 |
| salv-orlando | russellb: so it’s not that different from reviewstats | 16:17 |
| russellb | but reimplemented | 16:17 |
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| eglynn | #action eglynn propose stackalytics patch to generate api-wg review stats | 16:18 |
| salv-orlando | great. Regarding cut off date for membership, if this is a measure for this release cycle only, I am ok with that. In any case I have no strong opinion | 16:19 |
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| salv-orlando | and also it’s not like my opinion counts that much ;) | 16:19 |
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| elmiko | salv-orlando: it counts as much as the rest of our +1s ;) | 16:20 |
| salv-orlando | As apparently I am chairing this meeting, I have now to ask you if we have consensus or if we want to go back to the ml | 16:21 |
| eglynn | salv-orlando: I'm fine with a cut-off also if punted into the future by a few weeks and clearly signalled on the ML | 16:21 |
| salv-orlando | as jaypipes, cyeoh, and everett are not part of the meeting I will follow up the discussion on the maling list and move on with the next topic | 16:22 |
| elmiko | aside from consensus here, it sounds like we need a patch to the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131358/5/doc/source/process.rst review | 16:22 |
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| jaypipes | salv-orlando: thx man, sorry I can't participate right now :( | 16:23 |
| salv-orlando | #info decision on membership cut-off date and process deferred to mailing list | 16:23 |
| eglynn | elmiko: yep if no one objects on the ML to kilo-1 as the new date, that could be rolled into the next version of that patchset | 16:24 |
| elmiko | eglynn: i'm gonna add a comment to that review as well | 16:24 |
| eglynn | elmiko: cool, thanks! | 16:24 |
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| salv-orlando | #topic API impact reviews | 16:25 |
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| adrian_otto | sorry if I missed it earlier, but is there a link to this gerrit review queue you can share? | 16:25 |
| salv-orlando | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+AND+(message:ApiImpact+OR+message:APIImpact),n,z | 16:25 |
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| salv-orlando | adrian_otto: This is the gerrit review list for spec with an api impact flag | 16:26 |
| dtroyer | adrian_otto: the overall gerrit queue is at https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:26 |
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| adrian_otto | tx | 16:26 |
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| salv-orlando | any comment on specs with API impact flag? | 16:27 |
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| adrian_otto | how will API WG members become aware of reviews with that flag set? | 16:28 |
| ryansb | adrian_otto: there's a gerrit query | 16:28 |
| eglynn | manually running that query? | 16:29 |
| eglynn | yeap, that's what I assumed | 16:29 |
| ryansb | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+AND+(message:ApiImpact+OR+message:APIImpact),n,z | 16:29 |
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| adrian_otto | what about a system by which we can learn about them passively? | 16:29 |
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| eglynn | so should we concentrating on first creating the guidelines, as opposed to applying them to APIImpact reviews? | 16:29 |
| ryansb | how would you want that to work. Do you just want an email every X days with a rollup of apiimpact reviews? | 16:29 |
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| adrian_otto | thanks ryansb | 16:29 |
| elmiko | i have also been telling the members of our project(Sahara) that they should post to the ML with [api] to request more eyeballs | 16:29 |
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| adrian_otto | something like that would be fine. | 16:30 |
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| adrian_otto | I worry that we are focusing in our various areas of interest, and that important issues even properly flagged might not be noticed | 16:30 |
| elmiko | adrian_otto: good concern, at the same time though we aren't trying to create a gating process through the api-wg | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | Agreed, I am not suggesting a gate | 16:31 |
| elmiko | i think it's important for the individual projects to take initiative in contacting the wg for help | 16:31 |
| dtroyer | eglynn: I'd say yes, but getting acquainted with the reviews out there now is useful to see where the current churn is and will help get the right people involved sooner. | 16:31 |
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| salv-orlando | I think even without guidelines the api wg team should strive to look at these apiimpact specs and make sure we don’t end with two projects doing the same thing in two different ways | 16:31 |
| elmiko | salv-orlando: +1 | 16:31 |
| elmiko | i really like ryansb's idea of posting to the ML every X days with a list of reviews | 16:32 |
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| adrian_otto | if part of our role was to act like a bird dog in situations where the guidelines are totally missed… perhaps that could result in a good outcome | 16:32 |
| elmiko | agreed | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | we can use a relatively high value of X to start with… maybe 7? | 16:33 |
| ryansb | Not sure if automatic mail to the whole ML is a great idea | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | something you can opt in to? | 16:33 |
| ryansb | Much rather have folks sign up (maybe to another ML?) | 16:33 |
| elmiko | ryansb: that makes sense | 16:33 |
| ryansb | I think this is bikeshedding though, so can we take this to openstack-dev after the meeting? | 16:33 |
| elmiko | will it be too burdensome for infra to create/manage one more ML? | 16:34 |
| salv-orlando | I have a script that reminds me everyday of the reviews I should do, tells me if somebody updated that review, and also tells me what to review according to the day of the week | 16:34 |
| elmiko | ryansb: yea | 16:34 |
| salv-orlando | so I don’t think we need any ml… there’s also a tool called gerrymander | 16:34 |
| salv-orlando | which pretty much does exactly this | 16:34 |
| ryansb | salv-orlando: ah, I'd forgotten gerrymander. Would you be able to share your script? | 16:35 |
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| salv-orlando | it’s somewhere on github.com/salv-orlando | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | so if we are lost in the bike shed, please lead us back to the house | 16:37 |
| ryansb | I'll scavenge later. Let's move on. The next thing on the agenda seems to be https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131358/5 | 16:37 |
| salv-orlando | #topic process for merging guideline changes | 16:38 |
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| eglynn | sounds a bit heavyweight TBH, all that voting | 16:38 |
| eglynn | and the TC approval would give me pause also | 16:39 |
| salv-orlando | I think point #2 sums up fairly well the concept of lazy consensus. But I would add that -1s for spelling errors or grammar corrections can be ignored | 16:39 |
| eglynn | (seeing as TC seem to want to get out of the business of blessing things) | 16:39 |
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| elmiko | eglynn: i dunno, if we are talking about guidelines for all projects i tend towards the more conservative approach. but i'm curious to hear alternative ideas. | 16:40 |
| eglynn | elmiko: if the consensus is that the TC will actively engage and either approve or give constructive feedback, then cool | 16:41 |
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| elmiko | eglynn: +2 that would be awesome. i agree about not just using them as a blessing operation for the guidelines. | 16:42 |
| salv-orlando | eglynn: I don’t know… if the TC wants to be in the business of operators’ happiness maybe they should have a say on API guidelines. Or on other hand, they can trust the API wg | 16:42 |
| ryansb | I think that's a lot to ask of the tc. A veto system would probably be more workable | 16:42 |
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| salv-orlando | ryansb: that too is not such a bad idea | 16:42 |
| ryansb | (for guidelines) | 16:42 |
| elmiko | ryansb: i think it would need to be veto with explanation though, not just a blanket | 16:42 |
| salv-orlando | like the TC would be able to stop something when they think it’s a terrible idea | 16:42 |
| salv-orlando | elmiko: yes they would not be like the US at the UN | 16:42 |
| eglynn | salv-orlando: yep, I think they should just trust the WG as the "domain experts" | 16:42 |
| elmiko | salv-orlando: lol, true that ;) | 16:43 |
| eglynn | ryansb: yep, silence means consent ... I like it! :) | 16:43 |
| dtroyer | I think the blessing from the TC would be of the form "WG is doing good work, we like that" rather than release-level approval | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | are we striving for unanimity in voting? Why? | 16:43 |
| dtroyer | eglynn: ++ | 16:43 |
| salv-orlando | ok so what can we put as action items or info items for this topic? | 16:44 |
| elmiko | adrian_otto: according to the review we are striving for 80% approval | 16:44 |
| eglynn | adrian_otto: coz we, as a community, value consensus ... though perhaps in this case, we really do need to be opinionated? | 16:44 |
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| adrian_otto | this seems more complicated than it needs to be | 16:44 |
| ryansb | dtroyer: I'm not in the business of saying how TC should operate, but I do think that asking for a lot of approvals/supervision isn't a fair demand on them | 16:44 |
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| elmiko | adrian_otto: maybe, what would you like see for approval process? | 16:45 |
| dtroyer | ryansb: exactly, they have been actively trying to back away from that sort of thing (see defcore) | 16:45 |
| salv-orlando | ryansb: I think dtroyer eas just saying that the TC will prefer to delegate the task of blessing guidelines to the api group | 16:46 |
| elmiko | dtroyer, ryansb, doesn't that just add weight to the silence/veto-with-explanation option? | 16:46 |
| eglynn | the graduation debates on say zaqar would give me pause on baking pass/fail release-level TC approval into the workflow | 16:47 |
| eglynn | elmiko: ++ | 16:47 |
| ryansb | to be clear, I'm totally in favor of silence-or-veto | 16:47 |
| eglynn | ryansb: cool | 16:47 |
| salv-orlando | also, about this veto thing… adding it as part of the process is ok, but in any case even if we did not do that | 16:47 |
| elmiko | cool, sounds like we need another patch to that review | 16:48 |
| salv-orlando | it’s not like if somebody like monty, for instance, came and told us: this is terrible, we’d ignore him/her because they’re not part of the group | 16:48 |
| dtroyer | elmiko: implicitly, yes. From what I've seen though is that if TC is unhappy with something they'll either work individually to address the issue first | 16:48 |
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| elmiko | salv-orlando: good point, but in that case i would still expect changes to percolate through the review process | 16:49 |
| salv-orlando | make sense to me. | 16:49 |
| elmiko | dtroyer: good info, i haven't worked directly with TC so i'm a little blind in terms of how they operate when something is important to them | 16:50 |
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| elmiko | i just like the idea of codifying the process for transparency sake | 16:50 |
| salv-orlando | so can we be cool and agree that we welcome contribution and feedback from the TC, but we probably think it will be too much of a workload for them to have their approval as a prerequisite for every guideline | 16:50 |
| elmiko | salv-orlando: +1 | 16:50 |
| salv-orlando | and that the api wg will however accepts vetos (with explanations) from the TC? | 16:51 |
| eglynn | the important thing is for us not to get into a situation whereby the TC turn around to us at the end of kilo and say: "wait a minute, that's not what we were expecting at all!" | 16:51 |
| dtroyer | salv-orlando: I'd suggest just removing line 49. the WG relationship to the TC should be described somewhere (I haven't looked) and that ought to cover this | 16:51 |
| eglynn | so we should build a "timely feedback" requirement into the silence-or-veto IMO | 16:51 |
| elmiko | eglynn: yea, that would be bad. but how do we increase their involvement without either loading them up to much, or making them the gate for all changes? | 16:52 |
| eglynn | elmiko: maybe milestone checkpoints? | 16:52 |
| elmiko | eglynn: i like that | 16:52 |
| salv-orlando | anybody disagrees with dtroyer’s observation? | 16:52 |
| dtroyer | elmiko: I think some time before a release we get n the TC agenda and say "this is our RC, comments?" | 16:52 |
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| eglynn | dtroyer: +1 on removing | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | time check | 16:53 |
| salv-orlando | #info attendees suggest to remove line 49 from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131358/5/doc/source/process.rst (mandatory tc approval) | 16:53 |
| elmiko | dtroyer: +1 to remove and clarify elsewhere | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | +1 | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | I voted in Gerrit accordingly | 16:53 |
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| eglynn | #info stackalytics patch: https://review.openstack.org/136046 | 16:53 |
| salv-orlando | #info attendees also suggest to clarify TC relationship with API WG elsewhere | 16:54 |
| elmiko | dtroyer: and yea, i like the idea of giving them a time window in which we ask if they are cool with everything | 16:54 |
| salv-orlando | thanks eglynn | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | plus grammar is spelled wrong. | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | unless that's a spelling from a language I don't speak | 16:54 |
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| salv-orlando | 5 minutes to go | 16:55 |
| salv-orlando | #topic open discussion | 16:55 |
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| salv-orlando | this is where one usually brings up crazy ideas or rants about random things... | 16:56 |
| dtroyer | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131640/ was on the agenda, seems uncontroversial, should we #info stamp it? | 16:56 |
| elmiko | just as a follow-up from summit, i have been making some progress on implementing a swagger generator for sahara. i'm hoping to have a poc within a few weeks | 16:56 |
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| salv-orlando | dtroyer, yes if nobody disagrees with that. I have to admit I wilfully skipped it. | 16:58 |
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| dtroyer | salv-orlando: np | 16:58 |
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| salv-orlando | time’s up! | 17:00 |
| eglynn | thanks folks for a productive meeting! | 17:00 |
| salv-orlando | #info no attendees disagrees with approving 131640 | 17:00 |
| salv-orlando | thanks for your time and goodbye | 17:00 |
| salv-orlando | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 20 17:00:52 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2014/api_wg.2014-11-20-16.07.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2014/api_wg.2014-11-20-16.07.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2014/api_wg.2014-11-20-16.07.log.html | 17:00 |
| elmiko | salv-orlando: thanks for chairing =) | 17:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: igordcard hemanthravi s3wong banix: hi | 18:01 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:01 |
| hemanthravi | hi | 18:01 |
| igordcard | Hello SumitNaiksatam ! | 18:01 |
| s3wong | hello | 18:01 |
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| banix | hi | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets get started | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 20 18:02:06 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #info meeting agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron_Group_Policy#Nov_20th.2C_2014 | 18:03 |
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| s3wong | no agenda for today's meeting :-) | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: refresh :-) | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | as we are getting closer to the wrapping up the features, we need to start tracking bugs, packaging, etc | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so i have proposed a standing agenda for the meetings | 18:05 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: I need to drop off @10:30am, so if there is any update for me, would you mind putting me up earlier? Thanks | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *standing items | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: sure | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | will try to get to that quickly | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | please feel free to add any other standing items as you deem relevant | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | btw, any announcements that anyone would ike to share? | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topics Bugs | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we have a long list of bugs that we need to start triaging and knocking off (by triaging i mean find owners) | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it will be difficult to do that bug scrub in this meeting today | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but i think as a practice we need to at least bring up the pending “critical” bugs in the meetings every week | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i would regard critical bugs as show stoppers, so they should be fixed asap | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1388635 | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: had posted a fix for this | 18:09 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: thanks for bringing this up! | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #bug 1388635 | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | oh wait, we probably dont have the bot for this meeting | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | “intra EPG connectivity not working" | 18:09 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: did you link the patch to the LP bug? | 18:10 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: checking | 18:10 |
| mageshgv | ivar-lazzaro:wrong bugid is referenced on the patch | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1388635 | 18:11 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: yep, I have it linked to #1387981 and #1388635 | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: ah | 18:11 |
| mageshgv | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132485/ | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: thanks catching that, and also thanks for joining, its a fairly late hour for you! | 18:11 |
| mageshgv | sumitNaiksatam: no problem | 18:12 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Oh that's the wrong topic | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: gerrit link? | 18:12 |
| ivar-lazzaro | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132485/ | 18:12 |
| banix | i think the way bug is referred to is incorrect | 18:12 |
| banix | that’s why it doesnt show on LP | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: yeah, just dont need to prefix “bug/“ | 18:13 |
| ivar-lazzaro | yup | 18:13 |
| ivar-lazzaro | I'll update asap | 18:13 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ok anyway, but ivar-lazzaro promptly posted this fix on nov 2nd, but we are delinquent on the reviews | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | not a good idea to let a critical sit around for that long! :-( | 18:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | kindly help review | 18:14 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: I will review it tomorrow | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: great thanks, i will try to give it a shot today as well | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we will need at least one more core to look at it asap | 18:15 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: I will take a look also | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: your updates fix is a bug fix or a bp? | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: thanks | 18:16 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam, i'll review ivar's fix | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: thanks | 18:16 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: given that the fix has changes on resource mapping driver | 18:16 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: I think we classified it as a "bug" | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: okay | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: so that goes against #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1383941 ? | 18:17 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | “rmd update rules operations” | 18:17 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: yes, the description seems to fit | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: ok cool, so keep that in mind, that will be one high priority bug knocked off! | 18:18 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: and it is assigned to ivar-lazzaro :-) | 18:18 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: sure, working on it now with the latest branch (with the name changes) | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: sweet! | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so in the next few days i will reach out to folks in the team and do some bug assignments | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we got scrub the entire list | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *got to | 18:19 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: shooting for patch in gerrit early next week | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: good | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so if you are uncomfortable with the assignment, please free to unassign it | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any other bugs that we need to discuss right now? | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok moving on | 18:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i will change the order of the agenda to accomodate s3wong’s request | 18:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic New policy drivers | 18:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | on the ODL driver, some of us having been working in the background to get this going | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: based on the discussions we will need to update the spec | 18:21 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: any other update from you on that front? | 18:21 |
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| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: looked into ODL ML2 mechanism driver to see how OpenStack connects to ODL controller | 18:22 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: okay | 18:22 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: we can discuss offline | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Nuage driver | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: there? | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: thanks for the update | 18:22 |
| rms_13 | yes | 18:22 |
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| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: also, looked at ivar-lazzaro 's APIC driver to see how the gbp mapping db is being used for the L2/3 policy + EP/EPG mapping | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: feel free to take off whenever convenient ;-) | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yes, also one convergence driver does something similar (overloading the resource mapping driver) | 18:23 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: sure, I have another meeting in 7 minutes.. have fun, guys! | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: thanks | 18:23 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: sorry, you planning another rev on the spec? | 18:24 |
| rms_13 | Yes. ETA tomorrow. | 18:24 |
| rms_13 | Hopefully the code will land by Monday as well | 18:24 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: sweet, was just about to ask! | 18:24 |
| rms_13 | Got caught up in some internal nuage thing | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: np | 18:24 |
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| rms_13 | No its on my TODO list...will get it | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: any blockers for you, any additional information you need? | 18:24 |
| rms_13 | None so far. Will have more questions probably starting tomorrow...will ask offline | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: perhaps it might help for you to follow the ODL dicussion | 18:25 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rms_13: ok sure | 18:25 |
| rms_13 | cool. thx | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: hi there | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: any update on the IBM driver? | 18:25 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: i do not think it will be happening in this cycle | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: okay np | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: you can still submit the spec against kilo | 18:26 |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: sure | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: some other specs have already been submitted targeted for kilo | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | banix: thanks | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyone else planning anything around the vendor drivers? | 18:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we will touch on the driver extensions in the bp topic | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Feature blueprints | 18:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so update at my end - the renaming on the client and server is completed | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | for better or worse! | 18:28 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so we can officially start talking in terms of PT, PTG and PRS! | 18:28 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: yey! | 18:28 |
| * SumitNaiksatam cant’ see to get contracts out of his system! :-( | 18:29 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: :-) | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | apologies to everyone else who had to rebase their patches on account of this change | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: mostly they were your patches | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Heat renaming patches are already in review | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: are you on the hook for those? | 18:30 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam, yes will review the heat patches | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and osm? | 18:30 |
| hemanthravi | will check with osm | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: ok, lets get this rolling asap | 18:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the horizon patches have not yet been submitted, i had expected them to be submitted today | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the renamin is however finished in uday’s branch | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i will update the devstack so that we can get horizon and heat working as well with the renaming | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there are three other major features/bps that we are targeting | 18:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | first one is resources’ sharing | 18:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/133603 | 18:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | second one is for external connectivity | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this spec has not been submitted | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the first one is required for the second | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: you are leading both of those? | 18:33 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay, brave! :-) | 18:34 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: I've already posted a patch for the shared attribute, and I'm still working on a spec for the external connectivity | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: the resources’ sharing spec has some review comments | 18:34 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: :) | 18:34 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: yes I'll address them by today | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i would like to make one high level clarification here | 18:35 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the proposal is to make a change to the resource model (in terms of sharing of all resources) | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | however, it is not mandatory for all drivers to support this | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if a particular driver does not support it, in this first iteration of GBP, the driver should throw an not-implemented exception | 18:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: please capture this in the spec | 18:36 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: sure | 18:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | this includes the neutron resource mapping driver, which has limited sharing capabilities | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any questions/thoughts on the above two | 18:37 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i guess its difficult to talk about the external connectivity since there is no spec yet | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but i believe the idea is to introduce additions to the model so as to model the “external world" | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: is that fair summary? | 18:38 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: perfect :) | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the third major feature is the “extensions loading via drivers" | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: your turn | 18:39 |
| rkukura | nothing new on this - its been on hold, but I should be able to resume working on it today or tomorrow | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: sweet! | 18:40 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so if you are planning on using this in your vendor drivers, its coming soon! :-) | 18:40 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the other logistical detail that i wanted to bring up | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | you should be seeing a “kilo” branch in the specs shortly | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so the specs which are not targeting for Juno, and have already been submitted, should be moved to kilo | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | is louis or cathy here? | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay i will reach out to them | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #action SumitNaiksatam to reach out to Louis to move gerrit specs to kilo | 18:43 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam, the same goes for TS right? | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: yes, and we will discuss right after this meeting as well | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: thanks for bringing that up | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything else on the specs? | 18:43 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ok | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Packaging | 18:44 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: over to you | 18:44 |
| rkukura | OK, I’ve been working on the Fedora packaging, which will then be the basis for RDO and RHOS packaging on RHEL | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: nice! | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: were you able to get past that setup issue? | 18:45 |
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| rkukura | I’ve got server and client packages that install, but working on missing files that prevent the gbp-db-manage from succeeding | 18:45 |
| rkukura | plus a bunch of other small packaging fixes | 18:45 |
| rkukura | I’m currently using pre-rename commits, so I can do horizon and heat as well | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ah good | 18:46 |
| rkukura | but will switch to latest once we have renaming complete | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: so that you way you would have ironed out the packaging issues | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: and then we can iterate with regards to actual contents of the packages | 18:47 |
| rkukura | the packages then need to go through a formal Fedora review process, but I’ve been working with the reviewer, so it shouldn’t take long | 18:47 |
| rkukura | My goal is to make sure the API operations work with the initial packages that are reviewed | 18:47 |
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| rkukura | I’ll be filing a bug and posting a fix for files missing in the groub-based-policy repo when “python setup.py install” is run. | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:48 |
| rkukura | thats about it on Fedora | 18:48 |
| rkukura | I will also put up an RDO wiki page with instructions | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: so in terms of timelines, what is the latest that you can package fedora? | 18:49 |
| rkukura | I can point these instructions initially at RPMs I’ve built and will put on fedorapeople.org | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i mean having to account for the review process, etc. | 18:49 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: not sure what you mean by “latest”? | 18:49 |
| rkukura | I will get at least the client and server into review this week, hopefully all four | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: but between now and dev 19th we will be adding features and fixing bugs | 18:50 |
| rkukura | Right, we can update the packages at any point to newer upstream commits | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: so new packages will be generated for those? | 18:50 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay good | 18:51 |
| rkukura | The initial packages will be 2014.2-0.1, then we bump to 2014.2.0.2 | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: got it | 18:51 |
| rkukura | Official Juno will be 2014.2-1 | 18:51 |
| rkukura | so we can have as many pre-release versions as we need | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ok good, so they have a convention for this | 18:52 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks for the update, looks promising! :-) | 18:52 |
| rkukura | yes - the ordering of the version strings is critical so newer always replaces older on updates | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any questions for rkukura? | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: got it, makes sense | 18:52 |
| rkukura | One thing - do we have an upstream version for python-gbpclient? | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: by upstream you mean, pypi? | 18:53 |
| rkukura | I mean like the 2.x.y version on python-neutronclient, etc. | 18:53 |
| rkukura | The client libs don’t use the 2014.2 release versioning | 18:53 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay, but that 2.x.y is an consequence of the package being present in pypi? | 18:54 |
| rkukura | I’m guessing we should call our initial python-gbpclient 1.0, or maybe 0.1 | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: or is it just a setup thing | 18:54 |
| rkukura | Don’t know about pypi | 18:54 |
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| rkukura | I think this versioning is from the setup.py and setup.cfg | 18:54 |
| rkukura | But its not set in the gdbclient rep | 18:55 |
| rkukura | repo | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes there is a place where the version number gets set | 18:55 |
| rkukura | gbp | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: its in the egginfo | 18:55 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay let me circle back to you offline on this | 18:55 |
| rkukura | ok | 18:55 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #action rkukura and SumitNaiksatam to work on client version numbering | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: any other updates? | 18:56 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I’m seeing 2.3.9 in the egg-info | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah this is copied over from the neutron client :-) | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: need to fix that | 18:56 |
| rkukura | We probably should start with 1.0 or 0.1 | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: makes sense | 18:57 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | okay couple of mins left | 18:57 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks for the update | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:57 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | one quick logistical update | 18:58 |
| rkukura | I’m a bit concerned that we will make siginficant changes in kilo and won’t have full backward CLI compatability | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | neutron is cleaning up the subteams | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and we are listed in the meetings wiki page under the networking program | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we will update the meetings wiki page to move this meeting to show up independently | 18:59 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: +1 | 18:59 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Have you considered just writing a charter so we can stay in networking (for now)? | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we can rearrange as things evolve | 18:59 |
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| rkukura | I’ve drafted a chater for the ML2 subteam | 18:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i did draft one for adv services and fwaas | 19:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: but i am not sure GBP | 19:00 |
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| rkukura | I’m still thinking we networking GBP is similar to adv svcs in networking - just a separate repo | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: since there are currently not patches or features being discussed on the neutron side in this context | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay we can discuss further | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we are one minute over | 19:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all for joining | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye! | 19:01 |
| rkukura | thanks SumitNaiksatam! | 19:01 |
| rkukura | bye | 19:01 |
| igordcard | cya all | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 20 19:01:39 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:01 |
| banix | bye | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-11-20-18.02.html | 19:01 |
| mageshgv | bye | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-11-20-18.02.txt | 19:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-11-20-18.02.log.html | 19:01 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | ciao! | 19:02 |
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