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| akrivoka | horizon meeting? :) | 16:03 |
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| jpich | #startmeeting horizon | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 25 16:03:19 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jpich. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 16:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 16:03 |
| jpich | David mentioned he'd be a few minutes late | 16:03 |
| woodm19791 | Slacker | 16:03 |
| akrivoka | hey everyone :) | 16:03 |
| bradjones | \o/ | 16:03 |
| hurgleburgler | Hello! | 16:03 |
| tsufiev | hi! | 16:04 |
| circ-user-TaAwW | hi! | 16:04 |
| sambetts | o/ | 16:04 |
| bpokorny | Hi! | 16:04 |
| jpich | I'm not up to date with the general announcements so he can let us all know about that when he comes online :-) In the meantime, hi everyone | 16:04 |
| Sanjay | Hello | 16:04 |
| lhcheng_ | hello! | 16:04 |
| doug-fish | Hi! | 16:04 |
| john-davidge | o/ | 16:04 |
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| asahlin | hello all | 16:05 |
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| jpich | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon | 16:05 |
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| jpich | The first item is David's as well so I'll skip over it for now | 16:06 |
| pkarikh | hi | 16:06 |
| jpich | #topic Best default behavior for modals (tsufiev) | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Best default behavior for modals (tsufiev) (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 16:06 | |
| tsufiev | jpich, the half of this one also belongs to David :) | 16:07 |
| jpich | Haha | 16:07 |
| jpich | It seems for now what is needed is feedback from UX folks, on what would be the best user experience | 16:07 |
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| tsufiev | jpich, yep. There are two alternative solutions: mine and David's | 16:07 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 16:07 |
| jpich | tsufiev: Would you be able to post an email to the dev list with both [ux] and [horizon] tags explaining the different options? | 16:07 |
| david-lyle | sorry I'm late | 16:08 |
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| jpich | Yay, a David | 16:08 |
| robcresswell | o/ | 16:08 |
| jpich | david-lyle: I skipped over the announcements and the new meetings items, when we wrap this topic you may want to circle back with that :) | 16:08 |
| david-lyle | perfect | 16:09 |
| tsufiev | jpich, yep, I could. david-lyle's approach seems more appropriate to me, if it can be revived | 16:09 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: I didn't get a chance to try it yesterday, can take a look today if there's intereset | 16:09 |
| asahlin | +1 to post email | 16:09 |
| jpich | tsufiev: Sounds good to me. What we don't want is switching approach every release so having feedback from user experience experts to base the next solution on would be good | 16:10 |
| tsufiev | jpich, david-lyle: Okay, I'll write a mail to ML | 16:10 |
| tqtran | doesnt it make sense to make a configurable thing for user? | 16:10 |
| asahlin | I like David's solutions.. done something similar solution in other products I have worked on when possible losing data that was entered | 16:10 |
| tqtran | seems to me that different users have different preference on this | 16:10 |
| tsufiev | tqtran, do you suggest to move this behavior into User->Settings? | 16:11 |
| jpich | Let's discuss the different approaches on the list? | 16:11 |
| doug-fish | tqtran: That sets us up for more configuration to document and more codepaths to test | 16:11 |
| doug-fish | I'm hopeful we can implement only the "right" solution | 16:11 |
| tqtran | tsufiev: yes | 16:11 |
| jpich | doug-fish: That sounds ideal to me too | 16:11 |
| asahlin | doug-fish: +1 | 16:12 |
| tsufiev | tqtran, okay, let's discuss this in ML indeed :) | 16:12 |
| david-lyle | ok sounds a plan | 16:12 |
| david-lyle | jpich: can you chair me? | 16:12 |
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| david-lyle | #chair david-lyle | 16:13 |
| jpich | I wish I had a good witty comeback | 16:13 |
| david-lyle | e.g. | 16:13 |
| jpich | #chair david-lyle | 16:13 |
| openstack | Current chairs: david-lyle jpich | 16:13 |
| david-lyle | thanks! | 16:13 |
| jpich | Thanks! Didn't know t hat command | 16:13 |
| david-lyle | and thanks for starting the meeting | 16:13 |
| david-lyle | drive took longer than my optimism anticipated | 16:13 |
| jpich | heh! | 16:14 |
| david-lyle | makes me the perfect software developer | 16:14 |
| david-lyle | :) | 16:14 |
| doug-fish | :-) | 16:14 |
| david-lyle | #topic General Items | 16:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "General Items (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 16:14 | |
| david-lyle | First Kilo-1 is slated for Dec 18 | 16:15 |
| bradjones | submitted blueprint for curvature network topology https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/curvature-network-topology | 16:15 |
| bradjones | feedback would be great | 16:15 |
| david-lyle | There are several items that have been added that haven't been reviewed yet. But basically a month left | 16:16 |
| david-lyle | just a heads up | 16:16 |
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| hurgleburgler | I submitted a blueprint for theming: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/horizon-themes | 16:17 |
| hurgleburgler | feedback would be great as well | 16:17 |
| robcresswell | oooh theming | 16:17 |
| david-lyle | bradjones: I don't see it targeted to a milestone, please do so to make sure it's on our radar | 16:17 |
| bradjones | david-lyle: ah ok sure will do | 16:17 |
| david-lyle | hurgleburgler: I think I slated yours for a milestone, but yes feedback would be great on both those items | 16:17 |
| david-lyle | We'll come back to bps in a bit, so let's move on | 16:18 |
| david-lyle | Many of you probably are already aware of this but there are several cross-project liaison roles | 16:18 |
| david-lyle | they're popping up like whack-a-mole at this point | 16:19 |
| david-lyle | :) | 16:19 |
| jpich | haha | 16:19 |
| david-lyle | that said I do think they are beneficial | 16:19 |
| jpich | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 16:19 |
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| jpich | Eep | 16:20 |
| david-lyle | we have a few uncovered, any that remain uncovered falls to me | 16:20 |
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| david-lyle | QA, Stable and API working group are those open | 16:20 |
| david-lyle | the recommendations is for a core team member, but that is a recommendation | 16:21 |
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| david-lyle | if you have any interest in any of those available slots, please ping me outside of the meeting | 16:21 |
| david-lyle | To go along with that... | 16:21 |
| david-lyle | The weekly project meeting is now moving to a cross project meeting | 16:22 |
| david-lyle | and these CPL (cross-project liaisons) are encouraged to attend | 16:22 |
| david-lyle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 16:23 |
| doug-fish | david-lyle: do you have any thoughts on what the Horizon role on the QA team is? | 16:23 |
| david-lyle | there was a mail to the dev list: #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-November/051153.html | 16:23 |
| doug-fish | we don't have many tempest tests | 16:23 |
| david-lyle | doug-fish: not strictly true | 16:23 |
| david-lyle | we just have one scenario test in tempest | 16:24 |
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| amotoki | doug-fish: not limited to tempest :-) | 16:24 |
| david-lyle | but jpich has some movement on that front we'll talk about in a bit | 16:24 |
| doug-fish | ok great | 16:24 |
| doug-fish | thx | 16:24 |
| david-lyle | doug-fish: I think it mainly involves being the primary point of contact for Horizon regarding QA issues | 16:25 |
| david-lyle | we have and do break the openstack gate | 16:25 |
| * david-lyle crosses fingers | 16:25 | |
| doug-fish | oh sure | 16:25 |
| doug-fish | and we'll do it again!! | 16:25 |
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| david-lyle | whoa | 16:25 |
| david-lyle | inconceivable | 16:25 |
| david-lyle | regardless, those are available options | 16:26 |
| david-lyle | #topic Meeting Times | 16:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Meeting Times (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 16:26 | |
| david-lyle | so recently r1chardj0n3s conducted a poll on the mailing list to suggest new meeting times | 16:27 |
| david-lyle | the idea would be to alternate times each week to better line up with all the timezones represented | 16:27 |
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| jpich | Sounds reasonable and inclusive to me :) | 16:28 |
| david-lyle | The two times with the highest number of attendees were 2000 UTC on Wed | 16:28 |
| david-lyle | and 1200 UTC on any day but Tues | 16:28 |
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| jpich | Maybe we can have both meetings on Wednesday so it's just a time change? | 16:29 |
| david-lyle | that's where I was headed too | 16:29 |
| david-lyle | less variation | 16:30 |
| david-lyle | any problems with that? | 16:30 |
| tqtran | SGTM | 16:30 |
| david-lyle | tqtran: you're here | 16:30 |
| david-lyle | :O | 16:31 |
| tqtran | yes =) | 16:31 |
| david-lyle | UTC and all | 16:31 |
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| david-lyle | cheers | 16:31 |
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| tqtran | yeah, totally on broad no | 16:31 |
| -amotoki- can join only 1200UTC meeting.. 20UTC is 5am and I am sleeping | 16:31 | |
| tqtran | *now | 16:31 |
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| -amotoki- am okay with new times of course :-) | 16:32 | |
| jpich | It's fine, I think it's expected the attendance will vary. Hopefully that'll encourage people to rely more on the ML rather than the meetings only :) | 16:32 |
| david-lyle | what time is it now amotoki? | 16:32 |
| amotoki | it is around 1:30am | 16:32 |
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| david-lyle | because I'm not entirely convinced you do sleep | 16:32 |
| david-lyle | :) | 16:33 |
| tqtran | :O | 16:33 |
| jpich | haha | 16:33 |
| amotoki | hehe | 16:33 |
| david-lyle | yeah, attending every other week is fine of course | 16:33 |
| david-lyle | ok settled, only to be revisited in a few months | 16:33 |
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| jpich | Of course :) | 16:33 |
| amotoki | sounds good | 16:34 |
| david-lyle | I'll update the appropriate pages and send the final email on the mailing list | 16:34 |
| david-lyle | I'll probably send a reminder out to the mailing list before the next two meetings as well, just as a reminder | 16:34 |
| jpich | That sounds good too! | 16:34 |
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| jpich | We should try to keep the meeting agenda page updated with the next meeting's time, if we're good enough to remember too | 16:35 |
| david-lyle | #topic FYI: Integration tests on the gate (jpich) | 16:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "FYI: Integration tests on the gate (jpich) (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 16:35 | |
| david-lyle | jpich: good point | 16:35 |
| jpich | So you may have noticed the new integration tests running on our gate as non-voting. The job should still complete successfully so please keep on eye on it and report back any problem you notice - we want to make sure there are no intermittent issues before making it voting. | 16:35 |
| jpich | (Note that this is about Horizon's gate only, this isn't about gating any of the other projects with horizon stuff at this point.) | 16:35 |
| jpich | (...Also we may have found one issue already: https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1396194 ) | 16:36 |
| jpich | ...That's it, any question, let me know :) I'm more familiar with the infra side of things at this point but happy to help as I can. https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Horizon/Testing/UI remains a useful reference and dkorn is both knowledgeable and helpful as well, for issues related to new tests and so on | 16:36 |
| david-lyle | ah intermittent failures, fun | 16:36 |
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| david-lyle | thanks jpich, this is a great step forward | 16:37 |
| doug-fish | +1 very valuable | 16:37 |
| david-lyle | #topic Mailbag | 16:38 |
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| david-lyle | There are a couple of items on the mailing list re: Horizon that bear mentioning | 16:38 |
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| david-lyle | one is a extremely long thread re: packaging javascript libraries | 16:38 |
| david-lyle | I think we're still making progress, but have not reached a final solution | 16:39 |
| david-lyle | so still in flight | 16:39 |
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| david-lyle | we'll need this to move forward with more of the angular work | 16:39 |
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| david-lyle | so hopefully we'll reach a workable solution soon | 16:40 |
| david-lyle | Second mailbag item is splitting the repo | 16:40 |
| rdopiera | do we have any dates for that? | 16:41 |
| david-lyle | The hope was to split this in K-1, I think naming and timing are the remaining concerns for that | 16:41 |
| rdopiera | we have a naming problem again? | 16:41 |
| tsufiev | rdopiera, there were many votes for horizon + horizon_lib recently in ML | 16:41 |
| david-lyle | rdopiera: changing all the names of the modules will break anyone currently using horizon | 16:42 |
| rdopiera | can we set some kind of a deadline on this, and just go with whatever we have at that moment, so that it doesn't stretch to infinity? | 16:42 |
| david-lyle | was the concern around the names that were voted on previously | 16:42 |
| rdopiera | david-lyle: they will break anyways, with the api changes | 16:42 |
| david-lyle | rdopiera: which api changes? | 16:42 |
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| rdopiera | david-lyle: is horizon supposed to be compatible across releases? should horizon from Kilo work with Icehouse? | 16:43 |
| jpich | It used to be the way | 16:43 |
| rdopiera | I mean with the rest of openstack in Icehouse | 16:43 |
| rdopiera | perhaps we should do that actually in two step | 16:44 |
| david-lyle | rdopiera: I'm not sure we can make that claim today, I honestly have not tested it | 16:44 |
| rdopiera | first do therename, then do the split | 16:44 |
| rdopiera | or the other way around | 16:44 |
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| rdopiera | I think that if we don't test it, we can assume it doesn't work | 16:44 |
| jpich | Yep | 16:44 |
| david-lyle | agreed | 16:44 |
| jpich | Which is probably why we don't put it on our release notes anymore | 16:44 |
| jpich | ygbo had a suggestion on the list that seemed popular and avoid the naming / breakage issue | 16:45 |
| amotoki | from the mailing list discussion, yves proposes to keep horizon+openstack_dashboard. | 16:45 |
| amotoki | it looks a good solution | 16:45 |
| jpich | Yes, and put the names that were voted on as the pypi package names | 16:45 |
| rdopiera | we can do that, and create a new repository for openstack_dashboard | 16:45 |
| jpich | so it doesn't break apps and we use what the community voted on last time | 16:45 |
| rdopiera | then we can go back to renaming as a separate thing | 16:45 |
| rdopiera | should be easier then | 16:46 |
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| rdopiera | I propse to separte the rename from the split | 16:46 |
| rdopiera | do the split first | 16:46 |
| amotoki | rdopiera: his proosal is that horizon_lib has "horizon" module and horizon repo has "openstack_dashboard", isn't it? | 16:46 |
| rdopiera | and then discuss renaming | 16:46 |
| david-lyle | I thought mrunge said he couldn't/wouldn't have modules with a different name than the package | 16:46 |
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| david-lyle | I'll ping mrunge when he's on and try to close on this | 16:47 |
| amotoki | ah.. good point | 16:47 |
| david-lyle | but I think that was the issue with this plan | 16:47 |
| david-lyle | but to rdopiera's point I would like to close on this soon | 16:48 |
| rdopiera | is there anything we can already do before the names are decided on? | 16:48 |
| david-lyle | say by k-1 | 16:48 |
| jpich | Cool. Would be good to update the thread with what's next and move on. Otherwise I vote for rdopiera's suggestion, separate the 2 problems and move forward with the separation | 16:48 |
| david-lyle | the other thing I would like to do before the split is move policy out of openstack_dashboard | 16:49 |
| david-lyle | I think it would make it easier | 16:49 |
| jpich | Link? | 16:49 |
| rdopiera | yeah, no cross-dependencies then | 16:49 |
| rdopiera | jpich: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/move-policy-engine | 16:49 |
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| jpich | Thanks! | 16:49 |
| david-lyle | oops rdopiera found it first, thanks! | 16:50 |
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| rdopiera | david-lyle: can we help with that, other than reviews? | 16:50 |
| david-lyle | I think just reviews | 16:50 |
| david-lyle | I have two steps up so far | 16:50 |
| doug-fish | okay I have to confess: the repo split has been under discussion for some time, but I don't understand the value in doing that. It's this blueprint, right? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/separate-horizon-from-dashboard | 16:50 |
| rdopiera | it makes tempest unhappy :( | 16:51 |
| david-lyle | one for making policy pluggable in openstack_dashboard and one for adding it to django_openstack_auth | 16:51 |
| david-lyle | the last would be removing from openstack_dashboard | 16:51 |
| david-lyle | that will be easy since it's being isolated in the first | 16:51 |
| david-lyle | doug-fish: it's a packaging issue, a reuse issue and a testing issue | 16:52 |
| david-lyle | the horizon repo is currently packaged as two separate packages | 16:52 |
| jpich | doug-fish: We rehashed a few of the reasons during the contributors meetup (Topic #3: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-horizon-contributors-meetup ), david-lyle summarised better than what I was trying to write :P | 16:52 |
| * david-lyle is thankful jpich is here to use reason and judgement | 16:53 | |
| doug-fish | I'll read up. Thx | 16:53 |
| david-lyle | time is ticking | 16:53 |
| * jpich wonders if she's ever done that ever | 16:53 | |
| david-lyle | certainly more than I | 16:54 |
| david-lyle | #topic Blueprint reviews | 16:54 |
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| rdopiera | jpich: at least you fake it well ;) | 16:54 |
| jpich | Good to know :P | 16:54 |
| david-lyle | last week I posted some bps for review on the meeting page. I haven't seen a lot of feedback on most of them, I assume that means people don't have a problem with them | 16:54 |
| david-lyle | I culled one because it's going in the wrong direction | 16:55 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, either they didn't have enough time :) | 16:55 |
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| tqtran | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/angularize-identity-tables should this also be included in the list? | 16:55 |
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| david-lyle | tqtran: I plan to approve these and post the next set | 16:56 |
| tqtran | or are we talking about the list that you are planning on dropping? | 16:56 |
| tqtran | ah ok | 16:56 |
| david-lyle | didn't want to make the list too big | 16:56 |
| david-lyle | I'll give it another 24 hours and then move forward with prioritizing the current list | 16:57 |
| TravT | tqtran, david-lyle: if we get the indentity tables angularized in k-1, it will help to set a REST pattern for us to use with launch instance. | 16:57 |
| hurgleburgler | Is it too late to get any new ones on the list? | 16:57 |
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| david-lyle | unless I see feedback that needs discussion | 16:57 |
| david-lyle | hurgleburgler: not necessarily | 16:57 |
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| david-lyle | please target it to the milestone you wish to target, then we can see if it fits in | 16:58 |
| hurgleburgler | cool | 16:58 |
| david-lyle | reminder K-1 is Dec 18 | 16:58 |
| jpich | Freeze likely a couple of days before | 16:58 |
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| david-lyle | for blueprints added to it, certainly | 16:58 |
| amotoki | I hope the fisrt set (current) and the next set are listed separately, and hope one or two days before approving to allow folks to review the current list. | 16:59 |
| david-lyle | amotoki: the lists will be separate | 16:59 |
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| david-lyle | I can wait 48 hours, that's fine | 16:59 |
| amotoki | work for me | 16:59 |
| jpich | Thanks everyone, out of time! | 17:00 |
| david-lyle | times up. Thanks everyone. Have a great week. and thanks jpich for starting the meeting | 17:00 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 25 17:00:28 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-11-25-16.03.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-11-25-16.03.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-11-25-16.03.log.html | 17:00 |
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| sarob | Morn | 17:01 |
| thinrichs | Hi all. Anyone here for the Congress meeting | 17:01 |
| thinrichs | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 25 17:01:51 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 17:01 |
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| banix | hi | 17:02 |
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| rajdeep | hi | 17:03 |
| thinrichs | rajdeep: isn't it really late your time? A heroic effort to attend! | 17:03 |
| thinrichs | banix: hi! | 17:03 |
| rajdeep | yeah ..it is | 17:03 |
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| rajdeep | somehow made it this time | 17:03 |
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| arosen1 | Hi | 17:03 |
| thinrichs | I just heard from someone else saying this meeting is at an odd time for them. | 17:04 |
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| thinrichs | Once we get people signed up for blueprints, we'll look into rescheduling to make sure everyone who has signed up can make the meetings. | 17:04 |
| thinrichs | If that's possible. | 17:04 |
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| thinrichs | Let's start with status updates. | 17:05 |
| thinrichs | #topic status | 17:05 |
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| thinrichs | sarob: want to start? | 17:05 |
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| sarob | Sure | 17:06 |
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| sarob | We have a bunch of people that have expressed | 17:06 |
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| sarob | The desire to commit code from bp at the summit | 17:07 |
| sarob | Which is awesome | 17:07 |
| sarob | I'm going to work on getting most of them | 17:07 |
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| sarob | Attending this meet weekly | 17:07 |
| sarob | And pushing code and reviews weekly | 17:08 |
| sarob | Thinrichs anything for me? | 17:08 |
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| thinrichs | Of the people who said they would push code for the next cycle, how many of them have put their name down on a blueprint? | 17:09 |
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| arosen1 | me :) | 17:10 |
| sarob | We have 9 people assigned | 17:10 |
| sarob | I think it's the right time | 17:10 |
| sarob | To start assigning bp | 17:11 |
| sarob | To those people who have committed | 17:11 |
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| sarob | To pushing the code | 17:11 |
| sarob | I'll follow up with them | 17:11 |
| thinrichs | Do we have timeframes as well so we can assign blueprints to milestones? | 17:12 |
| sarob | And assigning milestones would be helpful | 17:12 |
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| sarob | Huawei and Plexxi have | 17:12 |
| thinrichs | The people who sign up for the blueprint are the ones who can tell us when they can get them done. | 17:13 |
| sarob | Right | 17:13 |
| sarob | We have that with Plexxi, Huawei, hp, Mirantis so far | 17:14 |
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| sarob | If possible | 17:14 |
| thinrichs | Got it. And you're going to follow up with the others. | 17:14 |
| sarob | We should bring up | 17:14 |
| sarob | Which bp need to be done sooner | 17:14 |
| sarob | Than others | 17:14 |
| sarob | Thinrichs right | 17:15 |
| sarob | A preference for which bp get done in kilo | 17:15 |
| sarob | And when | 17:15 |
| sarob | Is good info | 17:15 |
| thinrichs | If I remember right there aren't so many dependencies. | 17:15 |
| thinrichs | Hopefully today I'll go through the blueprints, mark the dependencies, and assign priorities. | 17:16 |
| sarob | So maybe just thinking about how many patches | 17:16 |
| sarob | Can be reviewed | 17:16 |
| thinrichs | (My bad that didn't get done before this meeting.) | 17:16 |
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| sarob | And how much testing mods | 17:16 |
| sarob | To support new | 17:17 |
| sarob | Code | 17:17 |
| thinrichs | Okay, so it sounds like we have some action items for getting blueprints assigned to people and to milestones. | 17:18 |
| thinrichs | #action thinrichs will add dependencies, priorities to blueprints | 17:18 |
| sarob | I'd like to do a first pass today if you have time | 17:19 |
| sarob | 18 dec is looming large | 17:19 |
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| thinrichs | #action sarob will follow up with people who volunteered for work to get estimates for time | 17:19 |
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| thinrichs | sarob: I already volunteered to make a pass today. | 17:19 |
| sarob | Sorry, I'm volunteering to help | 17:20 |
| sarob | Wasn't clear | 17:20 |
| thinrichs | sarob: got it. | 17:20 |
| thinrichs | I'll let you know when I make a pass, and then you can take a look. | 17:21 |
| sarob | Cool | 17:21 |
| sarob | I'm done | 17:21 |
| thinrichs | Thanks! | 17:21 |
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| thinrichs | banix: want to go next? | 17:21 |
| thinrichs | I know that last time you asked for priorities on blueprints. | 17:22 |
| thinrichs | And I didn't get that done in time. :( | 17:22 |
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| banix | thinrichs: we are still trying to figure out our priorities with kudva and see how best we can contribute | 17:22 |
| thinrichs | I had a chat with kudva and rayv last week. | 17:23 |
| thinrichs | It sounds like rayv is interested in working on policies that define different notions of isolation (e.g. network isolation, compute isolation, etc.) | 17:23 |
| thinrichs | So it sounds like they've got at least one concrete thing to work on. | 17:24 |
| thinrichs | I also heard from kudva that he's thinking about delegation. | 17:24 |
| banix | thinrichs: right, beyond that we have had more discussions to see if we can have a more focused effort | 17:24 |
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| thinrichs | banix: that would be great! | 17:25 |
| thinrichs | I'd love to see a group of people take ownership of some feature-set or functionality. | 17:25 |
| thinrichs | Let us know if you'd like to brainstorm. | 17:26 |
| thinrichs | Or if there's anything else we can do to help. | 17:26 |
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| banix | thinrichs: sounds good. We are a bit slow but we are getting there :) | 17:26 |
| thinrichs | :) | 17:26 |
| thinrichs | rajdeep: how are things going for you? | 17:26 |
| rajdeep | good almost done with horizon integration and reviews | 17:27 |
| rajdeep | waiting for final approval from janet | 17:27 |
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| thinrichs | Great! Could you remind us what functionality you're adding to Horizon? | 17:28 |
| jwy | rajdeep: i will review it again today | 17:28 |
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| rajdeep | yes integrating datasources details - list of data sources, list of tables in each data source and tuples supported in each table | 17:29 |
| rajdeep | all this will should in horizon panels | 17:29 |
| rajdeep | show* | 17:29 |
| thinrichs | That sounds great! Another thing that would be nice to show in Horizon is the status for every datasource. | 17:30 |
| thinrichs | Obviously a separate change. | 17:30 |
| thinrichs | But the status is really useful when you're debugging because it shows the error, if there was one. | 17:30 |
| rajdeep | ok when you say status it means it is available or not | 17:31 |
| thinrichs | And we also have the schema for each datasource: the names of the columns for each table. | 17:31 |
| thinrichs | The status API call returns a dictionary. | 17:32 |
| thinrichs | I think there are 2 key/value pairs right now: last_updated_time and error. | 17:32 |
| thinrichs | But that status will be extended over time, so we'd probably just want to display the status as a dictionary (maybe a 2-column HTML table where the left column is the name of the key and the right column is the value). | 17:33 |
| jwy | thinrichs: there's a bug open to split the data source rows into columns https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1379565 | 17:33 |
| jwy | rajdeep: do you want to add the status info in your patch, or we can do it separately? | 17:34 |
| rajdeep | ok will add that after this CL completes it will be another panel / table | 17:34 |
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| rajdeep | jwy : would prefer as a separate patch :) | 17:34 |
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| jwy | rajdeep: sure | 17:35 |
| thinrichs | A separate patch seems good to me too. | 17:35 |
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| rajdeep | i will fix that bug also | 17:35 |
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| jwy | rajdeep: i had already started on it | 17:35 |
| rajdeep | ok.. | 17:35 |
| thinrichs | jwy: I *think* the rules are formatted when they get returned from the API. | 17:35 |
| jwy | thinrichs: yeah i noticed recently that the rules include newlines when output | 17:36 |
| jwy | need to convert those to breaks | 17:36 |
| thinrichs | Not sure if that's the ideal way to do it, but it's really easy to do that kind of pretty-printing on the server-side since it already parsed the rules. | 17:36 |
| arosen1 | hrm i think our api should probably not be doing that on the server imo | 17:37 |
| arosen1 | i think we should parse the rules but probably not insert the \n's | 17:37 |
| thinrichs | arosen: then we'll end up writing a parser in the CLI. | 17:37 |
| arosen1 | We're just returning json thou? | 17:37 |
| thinrichs | It's much easier to strip the \n than it is to add them. | 17:38 |
| thinrichs | Yes, we're returning JSON, but rules are strings. | 17:38 |
| arosen1 | ah okay i see. Yea that's probably fine then sorry. | 17:38 |
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| thinrichs | rajdeep: anything else? | 17:39 |
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| rajdeep | thats it from my side | 17:39 |
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| arosen1 | I can go next. | 17:40 |
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| thinrichs | Great! Horizon is really important and it will become moreso in the not too distant future. | 17:40 |
| thinrichs | arosen1: okay | 17:40 |
| arosen1 | So last week we merged a few patches that re-factored the datasource driver base class. One in particular https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135099/ . | 17:40 |
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| arosen1 | This now adds a small requirement on datasource drivers in which they can call self.register_translator(translator). This method ensures that the translator is valid when the datasource driver is loaded. This logic was being handled in convert_obj() before. | 17:40 |
| arosen1 | 17:40 | |
| arosen1 | In addition, it also allows us to remove the method get_translators() from each datasource driver which was done here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135471/ and this now handled via the base class. | 17:41 |
| thinrichs | I missed something there. | 17:41 |
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| thinrichs | The register_translator is something that you must call for anything to work? | 17:41 |
| thinrichs | Or…what happens if you don't call register_translator? | 17:41 |
| arosen1 | thinrichs: no this is called in the __init__ of a datasource driver | 17:41 |
| arosen1 | thinrichs: for example, here's what had to change for the neutron driver: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135099/7/congress/datasources/neutron_driver.py | 17:42 |
| arosen1 | thinrichs: this fixes several things. 1) self.state is populated by register_translator() | 17:42 |
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| arosen1 | also now the base class will know the full schema of a datasource driver when it loads. | 17:43 |
| thinrichs | What happens if we don't call register_translator in init? | 17:43 |
| thinrichs | Will it still work but there's no validation performed? Or will it just not work? | 17:43 |
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| arosen1 | thinrichs: one would need to do the validation themselves then. | 17:44 |
| arosen1 | Doing it this way allows us to have the base class to do all the validation. | 17:44 |
| arosen1 | and the validation of the translators should only need to be done once on load which is done now if one class register_translator() | 17:45 |
| arosen1 | thinrichs: alternatively one can call validate_translator() in the base class here (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135099/7/congress/datasources/datasource_driver.py) if they don't want to call register() though I don't really see any reason why one wouldn't want to use this method. | 17:46 |
| thinrichs | Got it. Is it also correct to say that if we see that something is missing from the datasource schema that we may have forgotten to call this method? | 17:46 |
| arosen1 | thinrichs: totally :) that was what happened here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136133/ with the servers table that jwy reported | 17:47 |
| arosen1 | adding tempest tests though for get_schema() will ensure we catch these though in the future. | 17:48 |
| thinrichs | Maybe we should add a note to our troubleshooting guide. | 17:48 |
| arosen1 | thinrichs: sure, i can push a patch that does that not a bad idea. | 17:48 |
| thinrichs | arosen1: anything else? | 17:48 |
| arosen1 | i'm also planning on rev'ing our writting a datasource driver docs to include this. | 17:48 |
| arosen1 | nope that's it. Thanks | 17:48 |
| thinrichs | alexsyip: were you also planning to revise the datasource driver docs? | 17:49 |
| alexsyip | I did a bit. | 17:49 |
| alexsyip | It’s on gerrit. | 17:49 |
| alexsyip | I think I added aaron as a reviewer | 17:49 |
| arosen1 | ah cool i'll check those out. | 17:49 |
| alexsyip | thanks | 17:49 |
| thinrichs | alexsyip: anything to report? | 17:49 |
| alexsyip | I did a bunch of code reviews. | 17:50 |
| alexsyip | and I’ve been working on a bug related to a demo. | 17:50 |
| alexsyip | I ran into some behavior I didn’t understand, maybe aaron can help me with that. | 17:51 |
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| alexsyip | When I restart congress, there are some policy rules that congress loads from somewhere. | 17:51 |
| alexsyip | But I don’t know where they’re coming from, and I cannot delete them using the CLI tool. | 17:51 |
| alexsyip | arosen1: Where does the snapshot live? Is it in /etc/congress/snapshot ? | 17:52 |
| thinrichs | I think this may be a longer conversation than we have time for. | 17:52 |
| arosen1 | alexsyip: i think that code is stuff that should be removed now that we have a database. | 17:52 |
| alexsyip | ok, lets move it to the congress irc. | 17:52 |
| arosen1 | sounds goood to me. | 17:52 |
| thinrichs | That'd be great! | 17:53 |
| thinrichs | I want to be sure we get through statuses for everyone. | 17:53 |
| thinrichs | jwy: how are things going? | 17:53 |
| jwy | all right | 17:53 |
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| thinrichs | jwy: Anything to report? | 17:54 |
| jwy | finished the spec for policy creation in horizon, fixed formatting in the tutorial, made some changes to the congress-specs testing (which needs review btw :)) | 17:54 |
| jwy | did a few reviews | 17:54 |
| thinrichs | Great! | 17:55 |
| jwy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136537/ | 17:55 |
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| jwy | that's it | 17:55 |
| thinrichs | I've been out of action for a while. I'll try to make a round of reviews today/tomorrow. | 17:55 |
| thinrichs | Did I miss anyone? | 17:56 |
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| thinrichs | Okay 3 minutes for open discussion. | 17:57 |
| thinrichs | #topic open discussion | 17:57 |
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| thinrichs | Radu_: anything to report this week? | 17:58 |
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| thinrichs | Let's call that the end. | 17:59 |
| thinrichs | Thanks everyone! | 17:59 |
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| thinrichs | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 25 17:59:40 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2014/congressteammeeting.2014-11-25-17.01.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2014/congressteammeeting.2014-11-25-17.01.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2014/congressteammeeting.2014-11-25-17.01.log.html | 17:59 |
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| Radu_ | Yeah, Glad I could actually make it this week | 18:03 |
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| briancurtin | #startmeeting python-openstacksdk | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 25 19:00:18 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is briancurtin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'python_openstacksdk' | 19:00 |
| briancurtin | Brian Curtin, Rackspace | 19:00 |
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| briancurtin | anyone out there? | 19:02 |
| stevelle | Steve Lewis, Rackspace | 19:03 |
| briancurtin | terrylhowe: ? | 19:04 |
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| terrylhowe | Terry Howe, HP | 19:04 |
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| briancurtin | #topic swift moving SDK into this project | 19:05 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Ian Cordasco, Rackspace | 19:05 |
| briancurtin | i know at least terrylhowe was a part of this, but stevelle and sigmavirus24, it looks like we're getting closer to swift joining us to build up their parts of the SDK | 19:06 |
| notmyname | hi | 19:06 |
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| briancurtin | speak of the devil | 19:06 |
| sigmavirus24 | Yeah briancurtin I've seen the conversations in #openstack-sdk | 19:06 |
| terrylhowe | :) | 19:06 |
| stevelle | same | 19:06 |
| notmyname | well, speak of "Swift"... | 19:06 |
| notmyname | the full extent of what we've documented about this is at the bottom of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-swift-swiftclient | 19:07 |
| notmyname | (ie not a lot) | 19:07 |
| briancurtin | but a good start, i think | 19:07 |
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| briancurtin | fwiw, i just pushed an updated patchset of my attempt at a higher level view of what swift support could look like at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132100/ - includes a bunch of class docs, a user guide, etc | 19:08 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:08 |
| terrylhowe | Yeh, briancurtin has been busy | 19:08 |
| briancurtin | no unit tests as i've been doing it live, but i'll write those up. from there, we can massage that into something your people like, trash it, however we get to something good | 19:09 |
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| briancurtin | (it does some hacky stuff to operate on either a name or actual container/object object, still thinking about that) | 19:10 |
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| terrylhowe | the connection class has basic crud for objects now, so might be able to remove that | 19:11 |
| briancurtin | yeah i need to look further into that, i saw when that happened but kept going with what i had for the moment | 19:12 |
| terrylhowe | yeh, that was after you started | 19:12 |
| briancurtin | anyway, that change is a lot to digest anyway, but that plus hopefully the docs that have come out will hopefully enable people to pick up where we're at and contribute | 19:13 |
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| briancurtin | #topic regionless/versionless services | 19:14 |
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| briancurtin | (we can come back to swift stuff if anyone has anything, otherwise just running through this small list) | 19:15 |
| briancurtin | terrylhowe: i +2ed that version change. did you have thoughts on how we can apply that, or whatever else is needed to work with glance/neutron or other services deployed without versioned endpoints? | 19:15 |
| terrylhowe | there was that bit in the service catalog parsing that needs to be changed and neutron resource base_paths I think | 19:16 |
| terrylhowe | I like the idea of the regionless service, but I haven’t had a chandce to review that yet | 19:17 |
| terrylhowe | wasn’t there a service catalog change out right now? | 19:17 |
| briancurtin | terrylhowe: this came up while auth'ing to rackspace - we have a monitoring service that is global, so adding this change let met get past that hump, and i asked around and it seems this would happen elsewhere as well | 19:18 |
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| briancurtin | terrylhowe: i dont remember seeing any besides my regionless one | 19:18 |
| terrylhowe | yeh, I think our DNSaaS would be similar | 19:18 |
| briancurtin | yep | 19:19 |
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| briancurtin | terrylhowe: ive been heads down on that object_store stuff the last few days, but is there any priority i should use when catching up on reviews or just go at them? | 19:20 |
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| briancurtin | actually i'll probably just knock them all out after this meeting, hah | 19:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | heh | 19:20 |
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| briancurtin | terrylhowe: anything you need for that jenkins change to move on? | 19:21 |
| terrylhowe | most of what I have out there is basic stuff except the module loader | 19:22 |
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| terrylhowe | I have two features to break out of that jenkins thing and then it is good to go. | 19:22 |
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| briancurtin | cool. in the meantime i guess i'll catch up on reviews and build out more docs | 19:25 |
| briancurtin | and those object_store tests | 19:25 |
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| briancurtin | i dont think there's much else to cover here as we're heading into holidays and seem to have enough in-flight stuff to take care of, so... | 19:32 |
| briancurtin | #endmeeting | 19:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:33 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 25 19:33:00 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2014/python_openstacksdk.2014-11-25-19.00.html | 19:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2014/python_openstacksdk.2014-11-25-19.00.txt | 19:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2014/python_openstacksdk.2014-11-25-19.00.log.html | 19:33 |
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