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| SergeyLukjanov | hey sahara folks | 14:01 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I think it's a right channel | 14:01 |
| elmiko | o/ | 14:01 |
| sreshetnyak | o/ | 14:01 |
| aignatov | o/ | 14:01 |
| zhidong | hello everybody | 14:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I have a strange feeling about number of attendees :) | 14:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 4 14:02:02 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:02 |
| huichun | hello | 14:02 |
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| kchen | o/ | 14:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | zhidong, huichun, kchen, it's a better time for you folks, yeah? | 14:03 |
| zhidong | SergeyLukjanov: yes, it's 10pm here. a little bit late. but it works. | 14:03 |
| kchen | fine for me | 14:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | zhidong, okay | 14:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | zhidong, the alt time is 10pm in RU ;) | 14:04 |
| weiting | Yes, it is good from us | 14:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda#Agenda | 14:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic sahara@horizon status (croberts, NikitaKonovalov) | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "sahara@horizon status (croberts, NikitaKonovalov) (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:04 | |
| NikitaKonovalov | we have several patches on review | 14:04 |
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| crobertsrh | Query filtering patch is up for review, among others | 14:05 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, yay! | 14:05 |
| NikitaKonovalov | alazarev has also published a few improvements | 14:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, do you have link? | 14:05 |
| crobertsrh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136459/ | 14:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it's 6am for alazarev, so, most probably he's sleeping | 14:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | okay | 14:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yhx | 14:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thx* | 14:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News / updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:06 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please | 14:06 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | zhidong, huichun, kchen, weiting, folks, could you please introduce yourself? | 14:07 |
| zhidong | sure | 14:07 |
| elmiko | i've been doing a bunch of reviews, and i'm working on the security guideline spec. also a little work on the swagger impl. | 14:07 |
| sreshetnyak | i'm working on integration test for hive edp job | 14:08 |
| zhidong | we are from Intel Software and Services Group, working on Big Data, in particular in the area of bigdata/cloud intersection. | 14:08 |
| zhidong | we are all based on Shanghai China | 14:08 |
| crobertsrh | Lots of reviews for me. Other work items will be improvements to data_sources as args and possibly editing templates. | 14:08 |
| tmckay | I've been working on UI filtering and making a way to use data_sources as general arguments | 14:09 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | btw, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138842/ client bump approved, thx to mordred | 14:10 |
| zhidong | currently we are wroking on CDH plugin, but not limited to this | 14:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | zhidong, cool, thx | 14:11 |
| oikawa | I'm working on improving mapreduce compatibility and diskimage-builder with swiftfs build script. | 14:12 |
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| aignatov | oikawa: that’s swesome | 14:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please, don't forget to review specs | 14:14 |
| mattf | oikawa, would you consider helping w/ the root of the problem, that the swiftfs code is semi-fork/orphaned from upstream hadoop and doesn't have its own release schedule ? | 14:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | especially core reviewers :) | 14:14 |
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| tmckay | nice to meet you folks, I have to change locations. | 14:15 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Kilo release schedule | 14:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kilo release schedule (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:15 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 14:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, we have a Kilo-1 release at Dec 18 | 14:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, don't forget about few days freeze before the dev milestones | 14:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | to verify and tag some working stuff ;) | 14:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | the kilo-2 is Feb 5 and kilo-3 is Mar 19 | 14:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | don't forget that now we're fully following all freezes | 14:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and there is a FeatureProposalFreeze (FPF) at Mar 15 | 14:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | at Mar 5* sorry | 14:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and FeatureFreeze, StringFreeze, DepFreeze at Mar 19 with kilo-3 | 14:17 |
| * SergeyLukjanov already want to go the next summit | 14:18 | |
| elmiko | lol | 14:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any questions on release schedule? | 14:18 |
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| mattf | nope | 14:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok | 14:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Bug / doc / spec days | 14:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bug / doc / spec days (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:20 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, it looks like we need to have a bug triage day (many not triaged bugs or not assigned and etc.) | 14:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | doc needs some cleanups (as always) | 14:21 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | specs are mostly healthy now - https://review.openstack.org/#/q/sahara-specs+AND+status:open,n,z | 14:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thoughts? | 14:22 |
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| elmiko | i thought we had talked about having a general doc cleanup as a task for kilo? | 14:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, I think we've been talking a bit about it | 14:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | what's about scheduling bug triage after kilo-1? | 14:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and next week after bug triage doc cleanup? | 14:24 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: ok, so maybe make a bp for doc cleanup and then we can break down the docs into individual reviews? | 14:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, yeah, that's a good idea | 14:24 |
| oikawa | mattf: Yes. But hadoop release cycle isn't sahara release cycle. If binary uploaded at sahara-extra's github release page, CI doesn't use swiftfs new features. And the patch that depends swiftfs's new feature doesn't pass CI tests. | 14:24 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, rht folks are on vacation most of that week and until the 3rd, iirc | 14:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, oh, I forget about it | 14:25 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, and RU folks will be on vacation Jan 1-12 approximately | 14:25 |
| mattf | oikawa, yeah, i think we need to put a process in place for how we build&distro our version of the swiftfs | 14:25 |
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| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, sooo, we have about 4 weeks of low attendance! | 14:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, yeah | 14:26 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | sounds like we could have one of this events before the kilo-1 and one after the month of NY vacations | 14:26 |
| mattf | 22 dec is likely the last day we'll be doing much work until 5 jan | 14:26 |
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| mattf | oikawa, would you have run into your issue of a stale swiftfs if we made sure that it was rebuilt for each minor release, e.g. kilo-1 should build it ? | 14:27 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, is it a manual process right now to build and upload swiftfs to the mirantis file server? | 14:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, yeah | 14:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'm thinking about fast tracking the auto build and publishing it to the tarballs.o.o | 14:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | at least "latest version from master" | 14:30 |
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| mattf | fyi folks - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121003/ - a longstanding ceilometer bug was squashed | 14:30 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, that'd be very nice actually | 14:31 |
| mattf | oikawa, would having an autobuild served from tarballs.o.o address the root of your problem? | 14:31 |
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| mattf | oh, result of that ceilometer bug being fixed means we don't have to be careful w/ data field names anymore in sahara | 14:32 |
| elmiko | nice | 14:32 |
| oikawa | mattf, SergeyLukjanov: Yes ! | 14:32 |
| crobertsrh | sorry...my connection died for a few min | 14:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, yay re https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121003/ | 14:32 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, oikawa, okay, I'll make a job for doing it asap | 14:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | asap == ~1 week I hope | 14:33 |
| * mattf doesn't mention that it took 13 months | 14:33 | |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, +1 | 14:33 |
| oikawa | SergeyLukjanov: thanks ! | 14:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I have a random question | 14:34 |
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| mattf | oikawa, can we abandon your CR? | 14:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | what's about removing word Hadoop from the "Hadoop version" column names in Horizon? | 14:34 |
| mattf | ...maybe right after the tarball shows up on tarballs.o.o? | 14:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it's really destructing folks how see Spark plugin with hadoop version | 14:34 |
| mattf | or storm | 14:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | exactly | 14:35 |
| crobertsrh | Yes....I had a bug filed awhile ago to get rid of "hadoop" in inappropriate places | 14:35 |
| crobertsrh | I think that was UI only though | 14:35 |
| mattf | i'd be happy removing it from the param names too | 14:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we probably could add an alias in API to the hadoop_version fields | 14:35 |
| oikawa | mattf: yes | 14:35 |
| crobertsrh | somehow, column names must have been missed | 14:35 |
| mattf | oikawa, great | 14:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I think that we need to think about removing hadoop from names and other places | 14:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | offline | 14:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | probably to propose some spec | 14:36 |
| * mattf nods | 14:36 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's move on now and if we'll have time let's continue it on open discussion time | 14:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Update meeting time to make Asia folks able to attend meetings | 14:36 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I think the current time (16:00 UTC) works ok as alternate time | 14:37 |
| mattf | this time is accidentally very good for me | 14:37 |
| * mattf smiles | 14:37 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | and if there are no objections let's approve it as an alt time | 14:37 |
| NikitaKonovalov | works for me | 14:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, :) | 14:37 |
| mattf | 16UTC or 14UTC? | 14:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | oops, I mean 1400 UTC | 14:37 |
| oikawa | this time is ok for me (23:00 at japan) | 14:38 |
| zhidong | good to know we have a friend in Asia :) | 14:38 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 14:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #agreed 14:00 UTC approved as alt time for meetings | 14:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic CDH plugin integration test in Mirantis CI (zhidong) | 14:41 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | zhidong, please | 14:41 |
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| zhidong | currently the cdh plugin integration test case is non-voting | 14:42 |
| zhidong | may I know why? and can we change it to voting? | 14:42 |
| mattf | as an aside - ideally cloudera would be running that CI | 14:42 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, ideally yup | 14:43 |
| mattf | my understanding is it wasn't stable until recently. SergeyLukjanov knows for sure | 14:43 |
| zhidong | yes I understand it. I will convey this message to them. | 14:43 |
| zhidong | but I guess it won't happen in short time | 14:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, but in the real worlds it's very difficult to make a CI and it's not because of software | 14:43 |
| mattf | also, the cloudera plugin isn't enabled by default | 14:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | right now I think that CDH plugin is stable enough to enable it as voting | 14:44 |
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| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, /me nods | 14:44 |
| zhidong | SergeyLukjanov, that would be great. | 14:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sreshetnyak, any comments on CDH stability? | 14:44 |
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| kchen | btw, these two days I found CI tests became very slow. Is it expected? | 14:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | kchen, there is a bunch of external issues | 14:46 |
| sreshetnyak | CDH plugin stable in few month | 14:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | kchen, it makes CI failing for a few times | 14:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sreshetnyak, I think you means that it's already stable for a few month ;) | 14:47 |
| kchen | ok I see | 14:47 |
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| sreshetnyak | SergeyLukjanov, yes | 14:47 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | kchen, anyway we're working on making it better ;) | 14:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #agreed make CDH jobs voting | 14:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | zhidong, anything else on the topic? | 14:48 |
| zhidong | no. thanks | 14:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Reference image hosting (sahara-files.mirantis.com?) (zhidong) | 14:48 |
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| mattf | https://sahara.mirantis.com/jenkins/view/sahara/job/gate-sahara-integration-cdh-centos/ | 14:48 |
| mattf | https://sahara.mirantis.com/jenkins/view/sahara/job/gate-sahara-integration-cdh-ubuntu/ | 14:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | zhidong, one more topic for you :) | 14:48 |
| zhidong | currently the reference images for vanilla and HDP plugins are hosted on sahara-files.mirantis.com | 14:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, looks the same as other plugins | 14:49 |
| zhidong | I am wondering can we upload CDH reference images to mirantis website too? | 14:49 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, aye, it does | 14:49 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | zhidong, yup, for sure | 14:49 |
| zhidong | how? | 14:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | zhidong, contact sreshetnyak | 14:49 |
| zhidong | get it. | 14:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | btw I'm working on publishing latest built images on tarballs.openstack.org | 14:50 |
| mattf | zhidong, does the cdh license allow for 3rd party distribution? | 14:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but there are some issues with timeouts, internet speed and random bugs | 14:50 |
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| zhidong | hmm... I need to check it | 14:50 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, good point | 14:51 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, that's good too! are those images all auto-built from DIB? | 14:51 |
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| zhidong | I think it is not really a 'distribution' | 14:51 |
| mattf | iirc, they're from DIB, but the base centos image is hand built | 14:51 |
| zhidong | anyway I will double check it. | 14:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, yeah, I'm planning to just make a post-commit job to build and publish all images to tarballs.o.o | 14:51 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, that sounds good | 14:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, we already have a job in sahara-image-elements that is building vanilla images | 14:52 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, but there are some issues with it | 14:52 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, no time to debug atm | 14:52 |
| * mattf nods | 14:52 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | if someone could digg into the logs | 14:53 |
| SergeyLukjanov | http://logs.openstack.org/76/138976/1/check/check-sahara-buildimages-vanilla/cb7122a/ | 14:53 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | everyone trying to scroll down faster than logs loading? :) | 14:54 |
| zhidong | SergeyLukjanov: yes | 14:54 |
| zhidong | SergeyLukjanov: my browser just hangs | 14:55 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | yeah... | 14:55 |
| mattf | Error: Cannot retrieve metalink for repository: epel. Please verify its path and try again | 14:55 |
| SergeyLukjanov | the question is why it's not working on the gate ;) | 14:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, let's move on | 14:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #action zhidong to check if it's ok to publish cdh images to sahara-files (license) | 14:56 |
| zhidong | sure | 14:56 |
| mattf | interesting, we're using 2 different urls to get epel | 14:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | any other topics to chat about? | 14:57 |
| zhidong | nope. | 14:57 |
| mattf | nada | 14:57 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 14:57 |
| elmiko | nothing from me | 14:57 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | 2 mins left | 14:58 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please, make sure that alazarev will not try to start meeting at 1800 UTC :) | 14:58 |
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| elmiko | noted ;) | 14:59 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, if we have the meeting at 1800 we can just read the minutes and discuss them :) | 14:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 14:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thank you folks! | 14:59 |
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| mattf | ok, ciao folks | 14:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 4 14:59:58 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-12-04-14.02.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-12-04-14.02.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2014/sahara.2014-12-04-14.02.log.html | 15:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | Hi L3 team | 15:00 |
| johnbelamaric | hi | 15:00 |
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| jschwarz | hi carl | 15:00 |
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| mrsmith | hi | 15:00 |
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| pc_m | hi | 15:01 |
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| SridarK | Hi | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric, jschwarz, mrsmith , pc_m, amuller, devvesa, SridarK, hi | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 4 15:01:37 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| amuller | hiya | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:01 |
| devvesa | hi | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam | 15:01 |
| yamamoto | good to hear. but hi | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | yamamoto: hi | 15:02 |
| yamamoto | oops wrong window sorry | 15:02 |
| yamamoto | but hi! | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | Mid-cycle is next week. | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | I’ll have to check my travel to see if I can attend this meeting next week. | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | If I can’t, I’ll contact someone else to chair the meeting. | 15:03 |
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| carl_baldwin | Then, there are the SPD, SAD deadlines coming up fast. | 15:04 |
| Swami | hi | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | Are there any specs that are not up for review? | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: i | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | hi | 15:04 |
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| Swami | I might have to drop of at 7.40a.m | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: No problem, do you have anything to discuss? | 15:05 |
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| johnbelamaric | seems like dhcp relay spec is getting some activity | 15:05 |
| johnbelamaric | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105660/ | 15:05 |
| johnbelamaric | i was thinking this was out-of-scope | 15:05 |
| johnbelamaric | but looks like there is interest | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: I guess if it can stand on its own and there is someone who can work on it... | 15:06 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: I do have one thing that I wanted to discuss with respect to DVR and FwaaS East-West | 15:07 |
| johnbelamaric | ok, let's see where it goes | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic neutron-ovs-dvr | 15:07 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami: Let’s go ahead and discuss that first. | 15:07 |
| Swami | for the FWaaS East-West implementation for DVR. | 15:08 |
| Swami | I have proposed two options with DVR. | 15:08 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami: can you provide links? | 15:08 |
| Swami | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/11Gp62Yfyi1WH6yM6E_308OB4CC9A6xhxKZJ8B5jOwLc/edit | 15:08 |
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| Swami | i just wanted to validate the option 1 with the broader team before I drill deep into the implementaton specific. | 15:09 |
| Swami | In the link you can see two pictures. The first one is the option 1. | 15:09 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami: I think we’ll need to spend a little time looking through the diagram before we can have much of a discussion. | 15:10 |
| Swami | Here FWaaS has an issue with the East-West because routing was only happening on one end of the node and the return traffic was not passing through the router on the same node. | 15:10 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: Ok, then we can have the discussion next week. | 15:10 |
| SridarK | Swami: I am with u on leaning towards option 1 | 15:10 |
| Swami | But in the mean time can you take at option 1 and see if it is a viable solution. | 15:11 |
| SridarK | Swami: With more discussion we can try to close before next week ? | 15:11 |
| Swami | I just wanted to provide some high level description about both the options today. | 15:11 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami: Maybe we could plan to meet less formally tomorrow so that we do not put it off another week. | 15:11 |
| Swami | He can decide later. | 15:11 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: If you are available today at 11.00 to 12.00 pacific I can include you in the FwaaS meeting for East-West discussion. | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | Yes, I am available and I’ll review before then. | 15:12 |
| Swami | We do have a meeting today to discuss in detail about the proposals. | 15:12 |
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| Swami | Ok, then I will forward the meeting invite. | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: Sounds good. | 15:12 |
| Swami | Regarding the update on DVR. | 15:13 |
| Swami | The VPNaaS support patch for DVR is up for review. | 15:13 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: How will this meeting be held? Will it be a conference, irc, hangout, or other? | 15:13 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127133/ | 15:13 |
| Swami | This is a webconference I think. | 15:14 |
| Swami | Yes it is a webex meeting. | 15:14 |
| SridarK | Swami: carl_baldwin: y it is a webex | 15:14 |
| Swami | SridarK: can you include carl in the webex meeting and invite him | 15:14 |
| SridarK | Swami: sure will fwd | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: Thank you for the link. Many have been focused on spec reviews. Soon, attention will shift more toward code review. | 15:15 |
| Swami | ok | 15:15 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: thanks | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | SridarK: Swami: Thanks. We’ll talk later today. | 15:15 |
| SridarK | carl_baldwin: sounds good | 15:15 |
| Swami | Also on the functional tests, adolfo has posted a patch for review. | 15:15 |
| amuller | Swami: Yeah I didn't get the chance to review it yet | 15:15 |
| amuller | just did a quick look | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: Yes, I did see that. | 15:16 |
| amuller | that's on me though | 15:16 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/138632 | 15:16 |
| Swami | amuller: thanks I knew that you are going to review it. | 15:16 |
| mrsmith | for l3-ha and dvr, I have made some progress getting the dvr snat to work | 15:16 |
| Swami | mrsmith: amuller and other are investigating the L3 DVR HA scenarios. | 15:16 |
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| mrsmith | I'll probably post a patch this week | 15:16 |
| amuller | mrsmith: Sounds good | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: sounds good. | 15:17 |
| amuller | mrsmith: Mike and I did a lot of L3 HA + l2pop discussions... Hopefully he'll be able to post some code in 1 or 2 weeks | 15:17 |
| amuller | not easy to fix that | 15:17 |
| mrsmith | yes - too many "Mikes" | 15:17 |
| amuller | in this case it's Kolesnik :) | 15:17 |
| mrsmith | I was confused at first | 15:17 |
| mrsmith | indeed! | 15:18 |
| mrsmith | I'll be ready to test any ideas | 15:18 |
| amuller | thanks | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | Anything else for DVR today? | 15:19 |
| Rajeev | carl_baldwin: I do have a review posted for devstack with ipv6 dvr | 15:19 |
| Swami | nothing else. | 15:19 |
| carl_baldwin | Rajeev: do you have a link? | 15:19 |
| Rajeev | carl_baldwin: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134676/5 | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | Rajeev: thanks | 15:21 |
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| mrsmith | I should point out for l3-ha rajeev is looking at the plugin side and I am working on the agent side | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | mrsmith: thanks | 15:21 |
| mrsmith | we will probably post 2 patches | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic L3 Agent Restructure | 15:22 |
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| Rajeev | mrsmith: Thanks, yes I will get a patch out too but may need a few more days | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | I’m sorry to say that I haven’t had much time to focus on this this week. | 15:22 |
| carl_baldwin | But, that will change today because the spec merged and it needs to be a top priority. | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller, pc_m, where are we with this? | 15:23 |
| amuller | carl_baldwin: I haven't been able to get back to this since Tuesday | 15:23 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: amuller will merge in his changes with mine. | 15:23 |
| amuller | aye | 15:23 |
| amuller | I should be able to get back to this early next week | 15:24 |
| amuller | merge the two first commits and address the comments | 15:24 |
| pc_m | amuller: Do you want me to merge them? | 15:24 |
| amuller | If I'm blocking you go ahead | 15:24 |
| amuller | If you can wait for me, that'd work for me | 15:24 |
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| pc_m | I can take a stab at it. | 15:24 |
| amuller | pc_m: Did you get the chance to map out the required order of operations for the VPN observer? | 15:25 |
| amuller | and if the current proposal could work? | 15:25 |
| pc_m | amuller: I looked at it some early this week, but was going to do more today. | 15:26 |
| amuller | ok | 15:26 |
| amuller | I think that's the only reason concern at this point? Apart from changing the events from strings to an object or method(s) | 15:26 |
| amuller | s/reason/real | 15:26 |
| pc_m | amuller: yes | 15:27 |
| amuller | the rest is naming and whatnot | 15:27 |
| amuller | we can deal with that :) | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | SridarK: Have you had a chance to look at FW in this context yet? | 15:27 |
| pc_m | even the notification points are not a big deal (though clean to have small set of points) | 15:28 |
| SridarK | carl_baldwin: not yet closing out on a FWaaS spec now | 15:28 |
| SridarK | carl_baldwin: but will get this going next week | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | SridarK: thanks. | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | So, I’ll be working on this at least half the day today and much of tomorrow. Don’t hesitate to contact me if anything needs discussion. | 15:30 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller, pc_m: Anything else we should discuss here? | 15:30 |
| amuller | Nothing from me | 15:30 |
| pc_m | carl_baldwin: don't think so. I can talk offline w/amuller on the merge | 15:31 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller, pc_m, thanks | 15:31 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic bgp-dynamic-routing | 15:31 |
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| carl_baldwin | devvesa: ping | 15:31 |
| devvesa | hi | 15:31 |
| carl_baldwin | devvesa: Anything new? | 15:32 |
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| devvesa | Well, I pushed a new patchset, which you already accepted... and I'm working on it | 15:33 |
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| devvesa | although I'm not full-time in it. So maybe it takes longer than (I) expected | 15:33 |
| carl_baldwin | devvesa: Great. I’ll continue to try to get this topic in front of the Neutron drivers team. | 15:34 |
| devvesa | Thanks. | 15:34 |
| yamamoto | devvesa: anything i can help? | 15:34 |
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| carl_baldwin | yamamoto: Thanks for your review of the spec. | 15:34 |
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| devvesa | yamamoto: not now. I'm just re-doing the entities and endpoints exposed. | 15:35 |
| devvesa | When I will have to work with the Ryu, I'm sure I'll ask you something :) Thanks | 15:35 |
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| yamamoto | devvesa: ok, thank you | 15:35 |
| carl_baldwin | devvesa, yamamoto: thanks. | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic neutron-ipam | 15:36 |
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| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: How are we doing here? | 15:37 |
| johnbelamaric | I believe that i have addressed all the comments on the core neutron-ipam spec | 15:37 |
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| carl_baldwin | I see there are two new patch sets since I reviewed it. | 15:38 |
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| carl_baldwin | #action carl_baldwin will review the spec again before the end of the week. | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/neutron-ipam | 15:38 |
| johnbelamaric | yes, though the second one is just filling in a TODO that I missed | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97967/ | 15:38 |
| johnbelamaric | minor point - it's on the wrong topic branch - any way to fix that? | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | The owner of the patch can edit the topic right in gerrit. | 15:39 |
| johnbelamaric | ok, I will ask Soheil to fix it. thanks | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | It might be possible to push a new patch set to edit the topic using the git review command line option for a non-owner. | 15:39 |
| johnbelamaric | i will take a look. thanks. | 15:40 |
| carl_baldwin | I have uploaded a new patch set to my spec. | 15:41 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135771/ | 15:41 |
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| johnbelamaric | ok, i will review it this week, likely today | 15:41 |
| carl_baldwin | I have also found an owner for the implementation that I’ve noted in the spec. I’ll be working closely with him. | 15:41 |
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| johnbelamaric | even better :) | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | I forgot to ping him about attending this meeting. It is an early meeting for PST. | 15:42 |
| johnbelamaric | Salvatore pushed a draft of the reference implementation spec | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | I’m exciting to get these specs implemented for Kilo. | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: I did not see that yet. Great! | 15:43 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138803/ | 15:43 |
| johnbelamaric | yes, that's it | 15:43 |
| carl_baldwin | #action carl_baldwin will review Salvatore’s spec today or tomorrow (likely tomorrow) | 15:43 |
| johnbelamaric | we have a couple guys here at Infoblox to work on neutron-ipam and reference-ipam-driver | 15:44 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: There is one thing that I’m still not sure about. That is how to handle stateless ipv6 address generation. | 15:45 |
| johnbelamaric | and i would like to also propose and infoblox-ipam-driver spec, which ideally we would get upstream in Kilo as well | 15:45 |
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| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: With recent focus on getting vendor stuff out of the tree, I wonder if it would be better to implement it out of tree. What do you think? | 15:46 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: I think for SLAAC a single helper to calculate the address that all the IPAMs use makes sense. i would see it more in this case as "inform the external IPAM" rather than "ask the external IPAM" - the address calc would be in the driver even for an external IPAM | 15:46 |
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| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: that is fine, though I am not clear on where that is landing. I thought there would be an upstream repo for it even if it's not in the same one. but it's not critical for us - what is critical is the core pluggability | 15:47 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: regarding slaac, I am starting to lean back toward having Neutron calculate the address and then just informing the driver about it by requesting a specific address. | 15:47 |
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| johnbelamaric | sure, that works too | 15:47 |
| johnbelamaric | the driver should not be changing or rejecting it | 15:47 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: There could definitely be an open source repo and there could be third-party CI integration to test it against changes. | 15:48 |
| salv-orlando | I would not focus too much on that for now. Both ways work. Unless distinct drivers might have their own way of doing SLAAC | 15:48 |
| carl_baldwin | It is unclear to me whether the repo would live in gerrit or some other place like github. | 15:48 |
| salv-orlando | johnbelamaric: I don't think we can make any chance of including drivers in tree if we don't validate the ipam with the reference impl first. | 15:49 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: fair enough. I don’t think it should hold up the specs. | 15:49 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: ok, we'll just see where the split discussion lands. | 15:49 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: I’m not sure how external IPAM could have its own way of doing slaac. | 15:50 |
| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin: it's your choice (the repo). We do not have a policy for IPAM drivers yet - simply because they're just an artifcact of our minds so far | 15:50 |
| johnbelamaric | salv-orlando: yes, definitely reference needs to be done prior to vendor | 15:50 |
| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin: I am not sure either. | 15:50 |
| salv-orlando | but I'm not the expert here. Just a random guy doing random things | 15:50 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: less random than most. | 15:50 |
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| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin: it's just that I have a lucky seed ;) | 15:51 |
| carl_baldwin | ;) | 15:51 |
| carl_baldwin | I plan one more update to the interface. I’ll just take slaac the way I think it should go and you all can tell me if you think it is a really bad idea. | 15:52 |
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| carl_baldwin | Probably won’t be until next week though. | 15:52 |
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| carl_baldwin | Anything else to discuss on this topic? | 15:52 |
| johnbelamaric | nope | 15:53 |
| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin: if you're not coming to salt lake city meetup can you ping markmcclain about these specs. I think he has comments but he probably did not find them to put them on the gerrit review | 15:53 |
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| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: I will both ping Mark and come to SLC. How’s that? | 15:53 |
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| carl_baldwin | #action carl_baldwin will ping Mark about the ipam specs. | 15:53 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic pluggable-ext-net | 15:54 |
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| carl_baldwin | This topic hasn’t been on our agenda for a while. | 15:54 |
| carl_baldwin | However, I have updated my spec for Kilo and I would like to work on this immediately after L3 agent restructuring. | 15:55 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88619/ | 15:55 |
| carl_baldwin | I’m seeing this as important for IPv6 to support prefix delegation. Also, I’ve heard from a couple of operators who want this. | 15:56 |
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| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin: does this come before or after BGP routing? (you committed to that too...) | 15:57 |
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| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: parallel. I’ll be working with BGP just as a reviewer and sound board. | 15:57 |
| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin: cool. We'll see what we can do about the relevant specs. I have not reviewed both of them in a while. The spec approval deadline is close. | 15:58 |
| carl_baldwin | This is the bridge that brings bgp and Neutron together to make it all work. | 15:58 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: thank you. That is all I can ask. | 15:59 |
| carl_baldwin | We’re about at time. Anything else? | 15:59 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Open Discussion | 15:59 |
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| jschwarz | not enough time so I'll just mention this | 15:59 |
| jschwarz | I have the full-stack integration tests framework patches sitting at https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/integration-tests,n,z waiting for some attention | 16:00 |
| carl_baldwin | jschwarz: Let’s take it to the openstack-neutron room. | 16:00 |
| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 4 16:00:31 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2014/neutron_l3.2014-12-04-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2014/neutron_l3.2014-12-04-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2014/neutron_l3.2014-12-04-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
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| etoews | anyone else here for the api wg meeting? | 16:00 |
| jschwarz | bye guys :) | 16:00 |
| yamamoto | bye | 16:00 |
| etoews | did i get my timezones right? | 16:00 |
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| sigmavirus24 | etoews: I'm here | 16:01 |
| sigmavirus24 | And yes, you have your tzdata correct | 16:01 |
| etoews | great | 16:01 |
| etoews | #startmeeting api wg | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 4 16:01:46 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is etoews. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:01 |
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| sigmavirus24 | etoews: or we both have our tzdata wrong =P | 16:02 |
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| etoews | ha. that would be an awesome coincidence. | 16:02 |
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| sigmavirus24 | I pinged others who I know would be interested | 16:02 |
| etoews | thx | 16:02 |
| sigmavirus24 | I think this is too earl for cyeoh though | 16:02 |
| sigmavirus24 | kashyap: should be here though | 16:03 |
| sigmavirus24 | dstanek: and edleafe were at a prior meeting (or two) I think | 16:03 |
| elmiko | i'm here =) | 16:03 |
| kashyap | sigmavirus24, Are you sure you intend to ping me? | 16:03 |
| etoews | cyeoh miguelgrinberg: you 2 in for the api wg meeting? | 16:03 |
| salv-orlando | meh for this meeting my phone calendar says 16utc and my mac's calendar 00utc | 16:03 |
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| sigmavirus24 | salv-orlando: we have alternating meeting times | 16:03 |
| sigmavirus24 | kashyap: maybe? | 16:03 |
| elmiko | i have this time down for today's meeting | 16:04 |
| salv-orlando | sigmavirus24: yep I know. I was just moaning about my mac's calendar failing to understand that apparently | 16:04 |
| kashyap | sigmavirus24, I mean, I may not be the right 'kashyap' Can you give some context :-) | 16:04 |
| sigmavirus24 | salv-orlando: ah okay :) | 16:04 |
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| etoews | alright. i think we got the tzdata right. | 16:04 |
| sigmavirus24 | kashyap: API-WG meeting. Thought you were a Racker involved | 16:04 |
| dstanek | sigmavirus24: hiya - did you need me? | 16:04 |
| etoews | #topic previous meeting action items | 16:04 |
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| sigmavirus24 | dstanek: API-WG meeting? Were you interested? | 16:04 |
| etoews | this will be a quick one if cyeoh and miguelgrinberg aren't available. | 16:05 |
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| kashyap | sigmavirus24, No, I'm not. | 16:05 |
| dstanek | sigmavirus24: yessir | 16:05 |
| etoews | i know cyeoh has surgery scheduled but i wasn't sure if he was going to make it to this meeting or not. | 16:05 |
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| sigmavirus24 | etoews: I missed the previous meeting. Are the action items somewhere? | 16:05 |
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| etoews | 1 sec. | 16:06 |
| etoews | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2014/api_wg.2014-11-27-00.01.html | 16:06 |
| etoews | i should have added that right away | 16:06 |
| sigmavirus24 | thank you | 16:06 |
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| sigmavirus24 | etoews: I think miguelgrinberg mentioned his first action item yesterday in team standup. I think that's completed | 16:07 |
| etoews | oh and | 16:07 |
| etoews | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:07 |
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| ycombinator_ | sigmavirus24: were you thinking of me? | 16:07 |
| sigmavirus24 | ycombinator_: that's very likely | 16:07 |
| ycombinator_ | sigmavirus24: I'm Shaunak Kashyap | 16:07 |
| ycombinator_ | Racker | 16:07 |
| * sigmavirus24 nods | 16:07 | |
| sigmavirus24 | Racker Extraordinaire ;) | 16:07 |
| kashyap | sigmavirus24, ^ There you go. | 16:07 |
| etoews | i see miguelgrinberg commented on that review. cool. | 16:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | Sorry for the confusion kashyap :D | 16:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | etoews: I think the point was to help make the API design better and it was successful in that regard | 16:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | (If I skimmed from Miguel's comments yesterday correctly) | 16:08 |
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| etoews | that's pretty good to hear. :D | 16:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | (He painted it as a API-WG success so I don't think he wants the credit) | 16:09 |
| etoews | let's move on then | 16:09 |
| etoews | #topic voting | 16:09 |
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| etoews | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131358/ | 16:09 |
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| etoews | it merged! | 16:10 |
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| dstanek | the Meetings wiki page had the wrong time so i though i missed this. just updated it | 16:10 |
| etoews | good feedback and seems like the there's consensus it's a good starting point. | 16:10 |
| etoews | and looks like cyeoh used it to merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131358/ ! | 16:11 |
| etoews | oops. | 16:12 |
| etoews | same link | 16:12 |
| etoews | i'll have to check and see if https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133087/ meets the guidelines for mergeing | 16:13 |
| etoews | #action etoews to check and see if https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133087/ meets the guidelines for mergeing | 16:13 |
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| etoews | #topic APIImpact | 16:14 |
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| etoews | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+AND+(message:ApiImpact+OR+message:APIImpact),n,z | 16:14 |
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| etoews | does anyone have a particular APIImpact they'd like to discuss today? | 16:14 |
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| salv-orlando | I would like the help of somebody from this wg for this spec: Consolidating neutrone extension into core | 16:15 |
| elmiko | nothing from me | 16:15 |
| salv-orlando | the link might be more helpful: https://review.openstack.org/136760 | 16:16 |
| salv-orlando | Basically there is a discussion going on what is an extension, what is an optional feature, and what should be the minimum set of mandatory features for the networking API | 16:16 |
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| salv-orlando | this has a lot of impact on future API evolution, as we want to move away from extensions towards versioning, more or less micro | 16:17 |
| salv-orlando | jaypipes already gave his contribution, a few more eyes might be of great help | 16:17 |
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| salv-orlando | thanks in advance | 16:18 |
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| etoews | salv-orlando: that a pretty good size. anything you want to point out specifically or just want more eyes in general? | 16:18 |
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| etoews | salv-orlando: can you also link us to the neutron microversions spec? | 16:20 |
| salv-orlando | etoews: mostly the discussion in the resrt api impact section | 16:20 |
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| etoews | is it similar to nova microversions? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127127/21/specs/kilo/approved/api-microversions.rst,unified | 16:20 |
| salv-orlando | etoews: we have no spec for microversioning. It was decided it could not be on the kilo roadmap. | 16:20 |
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| etoews | ah | 16:20 |
| salv-orlando | we have an impending wsgi framework switch. That kinds of put a limit on the api related changes we want to do in this release | 16:21 |
| sigmavirus24 | Sorry. Looks like my bouncer got bounced | 16:22 |
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| etoews | #action all review https://review.openstack.org/136760 with a extra eye on REST API Impact section | 16:23 |
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| etoews | i'd link to point out https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138059/ | 16:24 |
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| etoews | it's interesting in that it's for the magnetodb project, which (i don't think) we put an APIImpact section in their spec tempate | 16:25 |
| elmiko | must be catching on lol | 16:25 |
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| etoews | so they found out about the api wg somewhere else and added the flag | 16:26 |
| etoews | elmiko: exactly. :) | 16:26 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Awesome! | 16:26 |
| ycombinator_ | that's cool | 16:26 |
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| ryansb | wow, pretty huge change they have there. | 16:26 |
| salv-orlando | actually it was pointed out in pset1 with a reference to the ml thread | 16:27 |
| etoews | and it's not a integrated project and apparently there isn't an implementation yet according to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/MagnetoDB#Scope | 16:27 |
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| etoews | so it's the kind of project where we could have a big impact | 16:28 |
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| etoews | my question is, do we want to somehow focus on projects like this? | 16:29 |
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| etoews | one concern is that it's not like we have a whole lot of guidelines to apply just yet though | 16:29 |
| elmiko | i think it's a nice idea to help on these type of projects(non-integrated), but without strong guidelines it might be difficult | 16:30 |
| salv-orlando | etoews: mauybe we don't but it's good they show up when querying by APIImpact | 16:30 |
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| etoews | ya. that's my gut feeling right now too. | 16:31 |
| elmiko | even without guidelines though, it would be good if someone could acknowledge the APIImpact request so that the teams know we are involved | 16:31 |
| ryansb | we don't have guidelines but seeing their process could help point us at places where guidelines would have big (early) impact on projects. | 16:31 |
| etoews | but wouldn't it be cool if they had a schema like swagger and we could just review that? | 16:31 |
| elmiko | etoews: +1 swagger ;) | 16:31 |
| ryansb | that'd be neat | 16:31 |
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| etoews | ryansb: agreed. i would like to somehow keep an eye on this so we can see where we can have that impact. | 16:33 |
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| etoews | but i'm not totally sure how to go about that | 16:33 |
| etoews | what's the action item? | 16:33 |
| etoews | start a conversation with them on the ml? | 16:33 |
| etoews | see what come of it? | 16:34 |
| elmiko | that sounds like a good start | 16:34 |
| ryansb | probably "review as we would an integrated project, keep note of where guidelines would help" | 16:34 |
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| elmiko | or at the least start a conversation in the gerrit review | 16:34 |
| salv-orlando | and also invite every project who adopts apiimpact to nominate a liaison maybe | 16:35 |
| elmiko | salv-orlando: +1 | 16:35 |
| etoews | i think i'd prefer to start on the ml and do a bit of an intro. we've never engaged a project like this before so go in nice and easy. | 16:35 |
| etoews | salv-orlando: +1 | 16:35 |
| etoews | i'll take that as the action item | 16:36 |
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| elmiko | etoews: agreed about ml being a little more casual, at least until a project has a liason | 16:37 |
| etoews | #action etoews email the magnetodb team on the ml to intro the api wg, request a liaison, and kick off a discussion | 16:37 |
| etoews | let's move on | 16:38 |
| etoews | #topic guidelines | 16:38 |
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| etoews | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:38 |
| etoews | anybody care to point out a particular guideline? | 16:38 |
| ycombinator_ | yes, I'd like some help with https://review.openstack.org/133660 | 16:39 |
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| ycombinator_ | there's been a lot of good back and forth and +/-1s but I think it has reached a bit of a stalemate | 16:39 |
| ycombinator_ | so I could use some suggestions on how to make this move forward | 16:40 |
| ryansb | ycombinator_: I'll look at it | 16:41 |
| elmiko | ycombinator_: i haven't looked at this one yet, it's going to take me a few minutes to get up to speed | 16:41 |
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| ycombinator_ | thank you folks | 16:41 |
| etoews | ycombinator_: did you grep through existing openstack code to see what's most in use? | 16:42 |
| ycombinator_ | etoews: not a grep through code but I looked at http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref.html | 16:42 |
| etoews | that's probably better. :) | 16:43 |
| etoews | or more sane for your sake | 16:43 |
| ycombinator_ | there's no clear winner - its about 50-50 - some representations use top-level keys; others don't | 16:43 |
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| ycombinator_ | also, since these guidelines are supposed to be future-looking, should current state matter? | 16:43 |
| etoews | to some degree | 16:44 |
| etoews | especially since consistency is what we're striving for in a lot of cases. | 16:44 |
| etoews | did you mention your analysis in the review? | 16:45 |
| ycombinator_ | it was part of the patch originally (in the form of examples) but I will put in a comment | 16:45 |
| elmiko | ycombinator_: is there a compelling reason for not always wrapping the returns to look like a list, even if a single value is returned? | 16:45 |
| salv-orlando | question: if it's 50/50 then any guideline we set will be violated by half of the current APIs. Do you reckon it is ok to set a strict guideline in this case or should it be more relaxed? | 16:46 |
| etoews | ycombinator_: you could also put the analysis somewhere under https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/API_Working_Group/API_Improvements if it doesn't fit nicely in a gerrit comment | 16:46 |
| etoews | salv-orlando: we're always going to get push back on "strict". i prefer that though because otherwise we'll never get the consistency that end user devs need. | 16:48 |
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| ycombinator_ | elmiko: I hadn't considered that as an option - thinking about impact | 16:48 |
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| elmiko | ycombinator_: it would at least create consistency between the returns, i'm not sure if there's a wider negative impact though | 16:49 |
| etoews | elmiko ycombinator_: thinking about that impact too. | 16:49 |
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| etoews | as a client dev, if i see an array, i'm going to assume that at (under some set of circumstances) multiple resources can be returned. | 16:50 |
| elmiko | that makes sense | 16:50 |
| etoews | if we just use doc to say otherwise, it isn't very intuitive. | 16:50 |
| ycombinator_ | yeah, I tend to agree | 16:50 |
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| ycombinator_ | the representation should be self-documenting as much as possible | 16:51 |
| etoews | yes | 16:51 |
| ycombinator_ | and this would kinda take it the other way | 16:51 |
| elmiko | ok, so if the endpoint always returns a singular it shouldn't act like it can return multiples? | 16:51 |
| ycombinator_ | I think so | 16:51 |
| etoews | right | 16:51 |
| elmiko | that's intuitive | 16:51 |
| miguelgrinberg | sorry to be so late, having hardware issues this morning | 16:52 |
| etoews | hello miguelgrinberg! | 16:52 |
| elmiko | miguelgrinberg: hi | 16:52 |
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| etoews | ycombinator_: any action items on that review then? | 16:52 |
| ycombinator_ | yes, for me to go through the current APIs and document how many use top-level keys in their representations vs. not | 16:53 |
| ycombinator_ | I'll document it on the wiki and link to it from a review comment | 16:53 |
| etoews | #action ycombinator to go through the current APIs and document how many use top-level keys in their representations vs. not and document it on the wiki and link to it from a review comment | 16:53 |
| ycombinator_ | ty | 16:54 |
| etoews | moving on in last 5 min. | 16:54 |
| etoews | #topic open topics | 16:54 |
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| etoews | miguelgrinberg: was there anything you wanted to bring up? | 16:54 |
| elmiko | was gonna say, this one seems close to completion https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133087 | 16:55 |
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| etoews | i wanted to mention that we've been really struggling with the lack of any sort of schema for the service catalog | 16:55 |
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| etoews | elmiko: i have an action item to see if our merging guidelines can be applied to that one. | 16:56 |
| etoews | :) | 16:56 |
| miguelgrinberg | did you guys see the -1 on my proposal? I responded earlier today | 16:56 |
| elmiko | etoews: nice | 16:56 |
| miguelgrinberg | I hope you agree | 16:56 |
| etoews | miguelgrinberg: link? | 16:56 |
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| miguelgrinberg | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131320/ | 16:57 |
| miguelgrinberg | and also, happy to see that the nova spec was corrected with a much much better API design | 16:57 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Luckily salv-orlando is here too | 16:59 |
| miguelgrinberg | ah good, salv-orlando let me know if I have a hope of convincing you | 16:59 |
| sigmavirus24 | I think we've also discussed the creation of multiple resources to death | 16:59 |
| etoews | miguelgrinberg: i think the point under contention is covered in this guideline https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133087 | 16:59 |
| etoews | we're pretty much at time. will have to carry on in openstack-dev or elsewhere. | 17:00 |
| etoews | thanks all! | 17:00 |
| salv-orlando | miguelgrinberg: I'm sorry time is over ;) | 17:00 |
| etoews | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| salv-orlando | you can convince me on gerrit (or later on irc - I will be offline for about 2 hours) | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 4 17:00:33 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2014/api_wg.2014-12-04-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2014/api_wg.2014-12-04-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2014/api_wg.2014-12-04-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
| miguelgrinberg | salv-orlando, yeah, let's hook up later when you have time | 17:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: s3wong: hi | 17:59 |
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| rkukura | hi | 17:59 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: hello | 17:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: hi | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets get started | 18:00 |
| hemanthravi | hi | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 4 18:01:00 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info meeting agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron_Group_Policy#Dec_4th.2C_2014 | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: thanks for joining i know its late at your end! | 18:01 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: No problem | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we will try to keep this short today, not because we dont have enought to discuss, but because we need to go back and implement a bunch of pending stuff ;-P | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:02 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: for #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1394722 | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: what do we need to do? | 18:03 |
| rkukura | I’ll close that one as not-a-bug, since it works correctly when run inside a git repo | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: sweet, oh “invalid” critical bug, no fix required…don’t you love that? :-) | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: right on cue | 18:04 |
| ivar-lazzaro | Hi all | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+bug/1397721 | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: you raised this, so its your problem…just kidding | 18:05 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: ehe :) | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: its great that you caught this issue | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ooops, hope i did not offend | 18:05 |
| s3wong | ivar-lazzaro is trying to duck from the bug :-) | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: lol | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | its really great that he figured this one out | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: you got us worried there | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: so, how do we go about fixing that one? | 18:06 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: yeah, It's IRC client empathy :) | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: lol | 18:06 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: At a first glance it looks as simple as removing the SG rule whenever a PTG contract is removed | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #chair rkukura ivar-lazzaro s3wong mageshgv hemanthravi | 18:08 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SumitNaiksatam hemanthravi ivar-lazzaro mageshgv rkukura s3wong | 18:08 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: We need to do that because of our "per-subnet" rule approach, which means that each PTG association/disassociation changes the PRS rules | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in case i drop off like ivar-lazzaro did :-) | 18:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay, so you have this on your radar? | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: would like to get the fix merged before dec 12th | 18:08 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: yeah I can look at it | 18:09 |
| * SumitNaiksatam thinks ivar-lazzaro already has a million things on his radar, another one will not make that much of a difference ;-P | 18:09 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: thanks | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok moving on to the pending features | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Pending features | 18:10 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #undo | 18:10 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x3db0850> | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | want to check with mageshgv with some of the service chain related bugs | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there are a bunch of them | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: how is that coming along? | 18:10 |
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| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: yes, other than the Hierarchial contracts handling for redirect, others are mostly moinor | 18:11 |
| mageshgv | minor | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: okay, merge deadline is dec 12th, no pressure! | 18:12 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: Good, should be done by then | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: you too have a ton of things on your plate, thanks for the great effort! | 18:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | banix: hi | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Pending Features | 18:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Pending Features (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:13 | |
| banix | SumitNaiksatam: hi | 18:13 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we pretty much missed merging all the features that we had planned for Nov 28th | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | for a combination of reasons | 18:13 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the thanksgiving break did not help with getting reviewer attention either | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the features have already been discussed, and the patches are in review | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i have posted the links in the agenda, happy to bring up any of those for discussion here if needed | 18:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the priority features under review are: Shared attribute on resources, External connectivity (both handled by ivar-lazzaro), Extensions Loading via drivers (by rkukura), and Policy Rule Update (by s3wong) | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: your patch is WIP, how is it coming along? | 18:16 |
| s3wong | mine is more a bug than a feature :-) | 18:16 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: actually it is a bug, and ivar-lazzaro made some comments on an official patch | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: we still need to close it :-) | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: lets us know if there are any blockers and we can help out accordingly | 18:17 |
| s3wong | I have coded about half of his comments --- sorry, no time to do it due to day job duty. Will try to address all of ivar-lazzaro's comments and post another patch this weekend | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: i imagine the biggest blocker for you might be availability of cycles | 18:17 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: oh well :-) | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: okay great, lets try to make sure that we weed out any technical issues before this weekend | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: so that you code peacefully over the weekend ;-P | 18:18 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: at least someone else took over the implementation of ODL policy driver (won't have cycle to that for sure before the 12th) | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yes | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: the two sem-features that you have - Hierarchical Contracts and Policy Action update (for redirects) | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: did not see patches posted for those, just want to check that i did not miss it | 18:19 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: I looked over ivar-lazzaro's comments thoroughly just last night, I think they are all good comments, and I will address them in the next patch (not yet seeing any technical issue yet) | 18:19 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: I have posted the patch for Policy Action update | 18:20 |
| mageshgv | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138338/ | 18:20 |
| mageshgv | Hierarchical Contracts is pending | 18:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: great, thanks! | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: ah ok, somehow missed that | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: i know why, you did not add us reviewers :-) | 18:21 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | folks, if you just add “group-based-policy-core” to the reviewer, it will add all the cores | 18:22 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: Got to test this once. Will remove WIP and add reviewers once done | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | request you to do that when you post a patch | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: sure, helps to add the reviewers right away so that it starts showing up their radar | 18:22 |
| mageshgv | SumitNaiksatam: Alright. Will do that | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mageshgv: thanks for the update, and again awesome amount of work! | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we will skip kilo blueprint discussion for today, since we have burning issues | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Policy Drivers | 18:23 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we have patches posted for the ODL Policy driver: #link https://review.openstack.org/138556 | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | is yi or yapeng here by any chance? | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | I dont see ronak here either, wanted to check on the progress of the Nuage driver | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Packaging | 18:24 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: over to you | 18:24 |
| rkukura | Good progress on the Fedora packaging. | 18:25 |
| rkukura | The server and client packages have been approved, the server package is committed into fedora SCM, and the client package should be committed in the next 10 minutes | 18:25 |
| rkukura | I should then be able to update the RDO wiki page instructions to reference official builds of these | 18:26 |
| rkukura | These are based on the latest post-renaming commits | 18:26 |
| rkukura | The heat package will be next, and the horizon package will probably wait until the needed patches are merged. | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: awesome!!! | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | is susaant here? | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: you had the question on the heat client dependency version number? | 18:27 |
| rkukura | right | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | perhaps hemanthravi can relay it to susaant | 18:28 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam, here with me | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: great | 18:28 |
| rkukura | Is: Requires:python-heatclient >= 0.2.9 correct? | 18:28 |
| hemanthravi | rkukura, susant say's he'll check and send an e-mail out | 18:29 |
| rkukura | thanks - I’ll commit the package with that, and can change it if needed | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: rkukura: thanks | 18:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura earlier updated that he is waiting for the UI patches to be merged | 18:30 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | he will be trying a dry run with the patches in review though | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so on the UI front, actually there is pretty good progress | 18:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | uday is working hard on fixing the pending bugs | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but the UI is mostly functional now with the features that we have in place as of today | 18:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: any other updates on the packaging side? | 18:31 |
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| hemanthravi | rkukura, >= 0.2.9 is correct (susaant) | 18:32 |
| rkukura | Not from me. Who’s doing the Ubuntu side? | 18:32 |
| rkukura | hemanthravi: thanks! | 18:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: not sure :-( | 18:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #action SumitNaiksatam to check back on ubuntu packaging | 18:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks for that update, and great work getting this packaged! | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:33 | |
| rkukura | OK, would be good to find out whether we will need to deal with depending on python-neutron client 2.3.9 and 2.3.10 or not. | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: absolutely, i will follow up | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | I know we are rushing a bit here today, but i am sure everyone will appreciate getting a few mins back, since we have a lot on our plates | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything more that anyone wanted to discuss today? | 18:34 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | okay then, thanks everyone | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we are finishing in record time | 18:35 |
| rkukura | thanks SumitNaiksatam! | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | please keep the reviews going! | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:35 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 4 18:35:30 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:35 |
| rkukura | bye | 18:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-12-04-18.01.html | 18:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-12-04-18.01.txt | 18:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2014/networking_policy.2014-12-04-18.01.log.html | 18:35 |
| ivar-lazzaro | bye | 18:35 |
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