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| krotscheck | #startmeeting Storyboard | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 8 16:01:33 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 16:01 |
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| krotscheck | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard#Agenda | 16:01 |
| krotscheck | #topic Actions from Last week | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from Last week (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:02 | |
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| krotscheck | Most of these things are mine, so I’ll go through them. | 16:02 |
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| krotscheck | Pester Fungi: Not yet done. | 16:02 |
| krotscheck | File stories: Should all be in there now. | 16:02 |
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| yolanda | hi there | 16:02 |
| fungi | yeah, pester me | 16:02 |
| ttx | o/ | 16:02 |
| gothicmindfood | o/ | 16:03 |
| fungi | success | 16:03 |
| krotscheck | Oh look, people! | 16:03 |
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| krotscheck | rcarrilocruz isn’t here, we’ll assume he’s off doing awesome things. | 16:03 |
| jeblair | hiya | 16:03 |
| yolanda | krotscheck, is national holiday in Spain | 16:03 |
| krotscheck | Oh! | 16:03 |
| krotscheck | Well then, that explains it. | 16:04 |
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| krotscheck | Do we have a bank holiday in Britain? | 16:04 |
| jeblair | we should all take the day off! ;) | 16:04 |
| krotscheck | (Because of jedimike) | 16:04 |
| CTtpollard | not today krotscheck | 16:04 |
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| ttx | It's not even a hholiday in France. | 16:04 |
| krotscheck | Gotcha. | 16:04 |
| krotscheck | ttx: That’s rare. | 16:04 |
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| krotscheck | :D | 16:04 |
| ttx | Indeed, I thought we had all holidays | 16:04 |
| * ttx goes on strike to protest | 16:04 | |
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| jedimike | o/ | 16:05 |
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| krotscheck | jedimike: How’s that paging spec? | 16:05 |
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| jedimike | krotscheck, submitted at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139638/ , yolanda left a comment and there's some typos to fix, going to wait for more feedback before i submit an updated version though | 16:05 |
| krotscheck | Awesome! | 16:06 |
| krotscheck | Ok, so we’ve got stories filed, a new spec, and a holiday. Moving on! | 16:06 |
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| krotscheck | #topic User Feedback | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "User Feedback (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:06 | |
| jeblair | #link paging spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139638/ | 16:06 |
| krotscheck | Has anyone received direct user feedback over the last week? | 16:07 |
| jeblair | i think clarkb mentioned that having 'merged' ~= 'resolved' was feeling weird in some cases | 16:07 |
| krotscheck | That kindof starts to work into the workflow discussion, no? | 16:08 |
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| * krotscheck agrees. | 16:08 | |
| ttx | we could have non-code-backed projects use a different word. | 16:09 |
| jeblair | i think i may have been logged out unexpectedly, but i haven't really collected enough data on that | 16:09 |
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| jeblair | ttx: i'm assuming this is related to a code-backend project; i didn't have a chance to follow up with him though so i don't know the full details | 16:09 |
| CTtpollard | ttx: I like that idea | 16:09 |
| krotscheck | Well, the refresh token fix went in mid last week, so I hope that’ll be a less frequent occurrence. | 16:09 |
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| jeblair | code-backed | 16:09 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: okay, good to know -- what is the expectation? like: if a user is active at least every N minutes, they will not be logged out? | 16:10 |
| krotscheck | This suggests that we have different project types that trigger different status groups. | 16:10 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: The expectation is that as long as your client has both an access token and a refresh token, you will never be logged out. | 16:10 |
| ttx | krotscheck: not necessarily. | 16:10 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: ack, thx | 16:11 |
| ttx | krotscheck: one of my specs proposes to add a "code repo" field to projects | 16:11 |
| ttx | so you can recognize that without having to introduce project types | 16:11 |
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| ttx | frankly, different status groups would rseult in a bit of a mess for data analysis across openstack projects | 16:12 |
| krotscheck | ttx: Yeah, but the tradeoff is that we have to special case things based on a complex state machine in the frontend. | 16:12 |
| ttx | but if it's just about translating "merged" into somethign that makes more sense... | 16:12 |
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| jeblair | why don't i follow up with clarkb and find out what circumstance made him feel it was inappropriate | 16:13 |
| krotscheck | If A and B but not C show merged, else show resolved, etc etc. | 16:13 |
| krotscheck | Works for me. | 16:13 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Can you capture that conversation in a story? | 16:14 |
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| krotscheck | CTtpollard: Anything from your end of things? | 16:15 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: ack | 16:15 |
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| krotscheck | Ok, let’s move on. | 16:16 |
| krotscheck | #topic Urgent Items | 16:16 |
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| krotscheck | Nothing on the agenda, anything new? | 16:16 |
| yolanda | nothing from my side | 16:17 |
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| CTtpollard | nothing urgent no from me | 16:17 |
| yolanda | tried to ping mbitard several times for the login issue, but no answer | 16:17 |
| yolanda | any other known way of contact? | 16:17 |
| krotscheck | I got nothing, sorry :/ | 16:17 |
| jedimike | nope | 16:18 |
| krotscheck | Ok, moving on! | 16:18 |
| krotscheck | #topic Discussion: Documentation (persia) | 16:18 |
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| krotscheck | persia: You around? | 16:18 |
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| krotscheck | Ok, nothing there. | 16:19 |
| krotscheck | I’m going to skip rainya’s piece as well, it’s been a month since the summit and neither of them have shown up to meetings. | 16:19 |
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| krotscheck | #action krotscheck Contact persia and rainya about their agenda items being dropped. | 16:20 |
| krotscheck | #topic Discussion: Branch Support (ttx) | 16:20 |
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| ttx | o/ | 16:21 |
| ttx | So I pushed two spec drafts | 16:21 |
| ttx | First one about task branch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139613/ | 16:21 |
| krotscheck | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139626/ | 16:21 |
| ttx | It actually introdices a "project area" concept that can also be used on non-code projects | 16:21 |
| krotscheck | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139613/ | 16:21 |
| ttx | but we can rename it branch if everyone finds that confusing | 16:22 |
| krotscheck | What does “project area” mean to you? Is there a nuance you want to highlight? | 16:22 |
| ttx | One idea is to optimize UI in case a single area is defined | 16:22 |
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| ttx | krotscheck: the idea is to let non-code-backed projects also have something like branches to separate their work into multiple categories | 16:23 |
| ttx | But if there is no real use case for it, we can just rename everything "branch" | 16:24 |
| ttx | anyway, the rationale is decribed in the spec draft | 16:24 |
| ttx | +s | 16:24 |
| ttx | The second draft is about milestones | 16:24 |
| krotscheck | So, much like the different task groups that the Win The Enterprise group is using? | 16:24 |
| ttx | krotscheck: probably yes, haven't dived into their use case yet | 16:24 |
| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139626/ | 16:25 |
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| ttx | describes how we can track which milestone a given task was completed in | 16:25 |
| ttx | for feature parity with some of the Launchpad "milestone" concept | 16:25 |
| ttx | So please have a look and give me early feedback, I can iterate on that | 16:26 |
| ttx | Then once we made progress, I'll rewrite the storytypes stuff on top of that | 16:26 |
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| ttx | area/milestone map to branch and tags in a code-backed repo | 16:26 |
| krotscheck | Alright, so that’s pretty high priority. | 16:27 |
| krotscheck | I’d like everyone to take a look at those two specs this week so we can get that work moving forward and ready for dev. | 16:28 |
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| yolanda | sure, i'll take a look at that tomorrow | 16:28 |
| jedimike | will do | 16:28 |
| ttx | krotscheck: there is a bit about setting all the tasks "milestone" column when you push a tag that will probably brush your REST hair in the wrong direction | 16:28 |
| CTtpollard | sure | 16:28 |
| krotscheck | ttx: That’s ok, I got a haircut on saturday | 16:29 |
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| * krotscheck feels that’s relate.d | 16:29 | |
| krotscheck | Anwyay, next: | 16:29 |
| krotscheck | #topic Discussion: API Paging. | 16:29 |
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| krotscheck | jedimike: You pushed a spec, any comments on that? | 16:29 |
| jedimike | so https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139638/ is the Ultimate Pagination Solution (tm) spec | 16:30 |
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| jedimike | it's pretty long, goes through UI interaction too | 16:30 |
| jedimike | all comments, questions, feedback welcome | 16:30 |
| krotscheck | Cool, anything you want to highlight? | 16:30 |
| jedimike | well the snapshot system is how i've implemented it before, backed by a database | 16:31 |
| jedimike | if anyone has other suggestions that might work and aren't db backed, i'd be interested in that | 16:31 |
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| jedimike | but really for now I want to know that it makes sense | 16:31 |
| krotscheck | I’ve seen redis-based implementation. | 16:31 |
| jedimike | because I've implemented this a few times and you know what it's like, writing docs for a system you're familiar with :) | 16:32 |
| krotscheck | Righto. So let’s push discussion to the spec from this point forward and check in next week. | 16:33 |
| krotscheck | #topic InProgress: Email | 16:33 |
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| krotscheck | New patch on the cron workers. | 16:33 |
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| krotscheck | I still need to write some tests for it. | 16:33 |
| krotscheck | But this iteration actually allows us to have the cron plugin declare its own schedule. | 16:34 |
| krotscheck | #topic InProgress: User Auth Token | 16:34 |
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| krotscheck | No progress. Endpoint landed, UI still coming. | 16:34 |
| krotscheck | #topic Caching Update | 16:35 |
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| krotscheck | Done. Merged. | 16:35 |
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| krotscheck | #topic Tags (NikitaKonovalov ) | 16:35 |
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| krotscheck | You here? | 16:35 |
| krotscheck | Nope, ok. | 16:36 |
| krotscheck | #topic InProgress: Dashboard Updates. | 16:36 |
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| krotscheck | yolanda: Looks like that one merged? | 16:36 |
| yolanda | krotscheck, yes | 16:36 |
| krotscheck | Awesome. | 16:36 |
| krotscheck | Also, OMG Dashboard is useufl. | 16:36 |
| krotscheck | *useful | 16:36 |
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| yolanda | i'd like that to have configurable widgets | 16:37 |
| krotscheck | Yeah, I feel like we’d all like that. | 16:37 |
| krotscheck | Also, the ability to replace it with a kanban board? | 16:37 |
| yolanda | krotscheck that will be awesome but tons of work | 16:38 |
| krotscheck | The possibilities are endless. | 16:38 |
| * ttx would like to be able to clear all "recent events" | 16:38 | |
| * ttx files story | 16:38 | |
| * krotscheck actually has been adapting the kanban code drop to fit into storyboard... | 16:38 | |
| krotscheck | That came from CTtpollard’s team… I _think_. | 16:38 |
| yolanda | krotscheck that will be awesome | 16:39 |
| krotscheck | indeed. | 16:39 |
| jeblair | i actually don't think that will be awesome | 16:39 |
| jeblair | there's a lot of more awesome things that i'm looking forward to first :) | 16:40 |
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| krotscheck | jeblair: Like email? :) | 16:40 |
| ttx | like tags | 16:40 |
| * krotscheck sighs. | 16:41 | |
| krotscheck | Apologies on all of those. I’ve been doing a few internal HP things that are thankfully over now. | 16:41 |
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| krotscheck | jedimike: Next thing is paging. I feel like we’ve already covered that so I’m goign to skip it. | 16:42 |
| * ttx hadn't really noticed a drop in krotscheck's activity | 16:42 | |
| krotscheck | Unless you’ve got something? | 16:42 |
| jedimike | okeydokey | 16:42 |
| jedimike | nope, all in the spec :) | 16:42 |
| krotscheck | #topic InProgress: Anything new? | 16:42 |
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| krotscheck | Anything new out there? | 16:42 |
| krotscheck | Oh yeah, configurable statuses! | 16:43 |
| krotscheck | #topic InProgress: Configurable Task Status (yolanda) | 16:43 |
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| yolanda | krotscheck, working on the grouping of tasks dynamically now | 16:43 |
| krotscheck | Awesome. | 16:43 |
| yolanda | there are comments from ttx about the fixed signature / variable signature on the api | 16:43 |
| yolanda | so i grouped all the counts on one field, because i prefer the idea of the API signature being fixed | 16:44 |
| yolanda | any opinions? | 16:44 |
| krotscheck | I agree with the way you did that. | 16:44 |
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| krotscheck | It also greatly simplifies that query. | 16:44 |
| jedimike | i agree with keeping the sig fixed | 16:44 |
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| ttx | link ? | 16:44 |
| * ttx doesn't remember such comment, but then... | 16:45 | |
| krotscheck | That change is going to break downstream third party UI’s, but it’s a simple enough update for them to dig into the subobject. | 16:45 |
| yolanda | looking | 16:45 |
| krotscheck | ttx: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139100/1/storyboard/db/models.py | 16:45 |
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| krotscheck | Basically, instead of a story_summary having explicit fields for its task statuses, it’s now going to have a task_statuses field that’s a map of counts by status. | 16:46 |
| yolanda | ttx, i may be confused with your comment then... https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139100/ | 16:46 |
| ttx | yolanda: I don't think I commented there :) | 16:46 |
| yolanda | yes, it's another review, sorry | 16:47 |
| krotscheck | So instead of { todo: 4, merged:10…} It’s now going to be { tasks_statuses: { ‘custom_status_1’:10, ‘custom_status_2’: 22}} | 16:47 |
| jeblair | i don't think we need to worry about breaking downstreams yet; we should retain our flexibility until we're much further along | 16:47 |
| ttx | oh, you mean my earlier comment about analysis across projects | 16:47 |
| yolanda | ttx, was confused with comment on that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138389/2/src/app/services/resource/task_statuses.js ...my fault as i read all reviews in my email quite fast today | 16:48 |
| jedimike | jeblair, agreed | 16:48 |
| yolanda | krotscheck, so yes, it will be breaking downstream for a while, and i need to update code in the frontend to properly consume it | 16:49 |
| ttx | yolanda: ok | 16:49 |
| yolanda | krotscheck so i'll add some tests there | 16:50 |
| krotscheck | Well, we can just coordinate the merges. That way the client impact will be minimal. | 16:50 |
| jeblair | ++ | 16:51 |
| yolanda | i'll grab some time this week to work on both sides | 16:51 |
| krotscheck | cool. | 16:51 |
| krotscheck | Anyone else working on something in secret? | 16:51 |
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| yolanda | krotscheck, working on the backend preferences | 16:52 |
| krotscheck | Right! | 16:52 |
| krotscheck | #topic InProgress: Backend Preferences (yolanda) | 16:52 |
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| yolanda | so problem is that double async, you first need to asynchronously grab the client, then grab the preferences | 16:52 |
| krotscheck | We can chain promises for that though, can’t we? | 16:53 |
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| yolanda | the way i did they are chained, first it resolves the client then it resolves the preferences | 16:53 |
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| yolanda | so according with your comments you think that the approach is fine for pagination, events... only comment is with the way to retrieve that in the user preferences section, right? | 16:55 |
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| yolanda | and you also commented that the preferences should be cached, maybe we can try angular-data or some similar approach? | 16:56 |
| krotscheck | Urm… well, no. User preferences is one of those things I feel that the application needs at initialization, becuase it’s something that can drive pretty much anything at any level. | 16:56 |
| krotscheck | Dashboard initialization, etc. | 16:56 |
| krotscheck | Well, we’ve already put angular-cache in place :) | 16:57 |
| yolanda | then this should be loaded either when the user logins, or when the user starts the app and he/she is already logged in | 16:57 |
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| krotscheck | The way we’re doing logins right now, the app is refreshed once a new auth token shows up. | 16:58 |
| krotscheck | So on init should be fine. | 16:58 |
| krotscheck | (Low on time) | 16:58 |
| yolanda | ok, i'll update the approach to use angular-cache | 16:58 |
| krotscheck | kk | 16:58 |
| yolanda | this could be applied also to task statusse | 16:58 |
| yolanda | statuses | 16:58 |
| krotscheck | Yep. | 16:59 |
| yolanda | ok, tons of work for this week | 16:59 |
| krotscheck | Yep. | 16:59 |
| krotscheck | Alright, we’re out of time. Thanks everyone! | 16:59 |
| * krotscheck needs to make more time for open discussion :/ | 16:59 | |
| krotscheck | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| Piet | Is it UX time? | 18:09 |
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| Piet | #startmeeting UX | 18:22 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 8 18:22:58 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Piet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:22 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:23 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ux' | 18:23 |
| Piet | Can we take a quick role to know who is actively attending this meeting? | 18:23 |
| jacalcat | Hi Piet. | 18:24 |
| Piet | Hey Jeff | 18:25 |
| Piet | Is it just you and me? | 18:25 |
| jacalcat | As far as I can tell. | 18:25 |
| Piet | I'll give it five minutes and then cancel | 18:26 |
| Piet | Sigh.... | 18:26 |
| Piet | Have you had a chance to review the modal designs? | 18:26 |
| jacalcat | I did add a comment in Invision | 18:27 |
| jacalcat | I need to go through them more | 18:27 |
| Piet | Also need you eyes on the Mistral project | 18:27 |
| jacalcat | OK. I will take a look later in the week. | 18:28 |
| jacalcat | Things will slow down soon, so I can get more done on Horizon. | 18:28 |
| Piet | alright - ending this meeting - see you in the horizon IRC | 18:28 |
| jacalcat | OK | 18:28 |
| Piet | #endmeeting UX | 18:29 |
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