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| devananda | #startmeeting ironic | 05:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 9 05:01:18 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 05:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 05:01 |
| adam_g | o/ | 05:01 |
| jroll | \o | 05:01 |
| mrda | o/ | 05:01 |
| devananda | hi folks! this is our first meeting at the alternate time! woo! :) | 05:01 |
| rameshg87 | o/ | 05:01 |
| takadayuiko | o/ | 05:01 |
| Haomeng | o/ | 05:01 |
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| ramineni | ramineni: o/ | 05:01 |
| lintan | o\ | 05:01 |
| * jroll is not feeling great and may just mostly lurk | 05:01 | |
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| devananda | it's pretty late for me so if I'm slower to type than usual ... that's why | 05:02 |
| devananda | but also, welcome to all the folks that I haven't frequently seen in meetings before | 05:02 |
| devananda | the agenda is, as always, posted on the wiki | 05:03 |
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| devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 05:03 |
| devananda | #topic announcements | 05:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 05:03 | |
| devananda | first a little one | 05:03 |
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| devananda | lucas is out on vacation this week | 05:03 |
| devananda | so a few things may stall while we wait for him, but mostly, probably not much | 05:03 |
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| wanyen | hi | 05:04 |
| jroll | devananda: yeah, he's been passing off some of the refactoring stuff, so we should be okay | 05:04 |
| * mrda wishes lucas a nice break | 05:04 | |
| devananda | jroll: ok, cool | 05:04 |
| devananda | I should probably say things about the mid cycle, but I"m going to save that for open discussion | 05:04 |
| devananda | #topic subteam status review | 05:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "subteam status review (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 05:05 | |
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| devananda | this is where we look at the status posted on the WhiteBoard, here | 05:05 |
| devananda | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 05:05 |
| devananda | I'll give everyone a minute or two to raise comments or concerns | 05:06 |
| devananda | (or questions) | 05:06 |
| devananda | if there aren't any, we'll move on | 05:06 |
| jroll | is this the right place to be pointing out spec updates etc? | 05:06 |
| jroll | I feel like reviewers should just notice those | 05:06 |
| lintan | Can I add AMT Driver into Drivers section? | 05:06 |
| devananda | lintan: please do | 05:06 |
| devananda | lintan: also, please add AMT driver information to the wiki page ... /me looks for the link | 05:07 |
| devananda | lintan: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ironic/Drivers | 05:07 |
| devananda | jroll: this'd be a fine time to do that, sure, though I have a separate agenda item for progress review today | 05:07 |
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| lintan | devananda: I will do this later | 05:08 |
| jroll | devananda: I mean on the whiteboard, as a weekly status | 05:08 |
| jroll | devananda: is that valuable to folks, do you think? | 05:08 |
| devananda | jroll: oh. probably not. | 05:08 |
| jroll | ok, thanks :) | 05:08 |
| * jroll is inclined to clear most of that area | 05:08 | |
| devananda | jroll: if there are critical specs (like the state machine one) those probably warrant an agenda item of their own | 05:08 |
| jroll | +1 | 05:08 |
| mrda | agreed | 05:09 |
| devananda | but individual specs or reviews up there aren't worth calling out -- unless they are, for some reason | 05:09 |
| jroll | yep | 05:09 |
| * jroll makes a note and hopes this to be cleaner next week | 05:09 | |
| devananda | jroll: so, quick question on IPA | 05:09 |
| jroll | (also, if anyone knows a better way to paste from etherpad into vim, formatting-wise, would love to know) | 05:10 |
| devananda | jroll: agent_ssh-nv -- is this stable now? | 05:10 |
| wanyen | what kind of info should be included in driver status? | 05:10 |
| devananda | jroll: :set nopaste | 05:10 |
| devananda | er, i mean, :set paste | 05:10 |
| jroll | devananda: that still doesn't help as etherpad has no trailing spaces for tabs :) | 05:10 |
| jroll | anyway | 05:10 |
| jroll | agent_ssh-nv is stable, other than the bugs also affecting the pxe_ssh tests | 05:10 |
| devananda | wanyen: stability, status of CI, progress on cycle goals | 05:11 |
| jroll | we're hesitant to make it vote with those, as it will just mean more rechecks | 05:11 |
| wanyen | deva: gotit. | 05:11 |
| devananda | jroll: taht's awesome. also, bugs affecting pxe_ssh? or parallel-nv ? | 05:11 |
| adam_g | the bug affecting the pxe_ssh test is for the parallel variant, which is still -nv. so not a huge deal atm, tho the same bug is hampering forward (j -> k) testing efforts, and i believe agent stuff as well | 05:11 |
| jroll | check-tempest-dsvm-ironic-agent_ssh-nv is still expected to pass on all Ironic changes, even though it doesn't vote, barring bugs #1398128 and #139770 (existing gate bugs) | 05:12 |
| devananda | jroll: mind adding # info to that line so it gets in the minutes? | 05:12 |
| jroll | JayF would know more to be honest | 05:12 |
| jroll | devananda: sure, but it's in the status | 05:13 |
| jroll | #info check-tempest-dsvm-ironic-agent_ssh-nv is still expected to pass on all Ironic changes, even though it doesn't vote, barring bugs #1398128 and #139770 (existing gate bugs) | 05:13 |
| devananda | jroll: more visibility good :) | 05:13 |
| jroll | indeed | 05:13 |
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| devananda | ok - going to move on now | 05:13 |
| devananda | thanks, all for the status updaets | 05:13 |
| devananda | #topic Kilo-1 milestone status | 05:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kilo-1 milestone status (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 05:13 | |
| devananda | #link https://launchpad.net/ironic/+milestone/kilo-1 | 05:14 |
| devananda | and for reference | 05:14 |
| devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 05:14 |
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| devananda | we've got, essentially, this week and a little bit of next week | 05:14 |
| devananda | until Kilo-1 milestone | 05:14 |
| devananda | 4 BPs implemented so far | 05:15 |
| devananda | if a BP is on that page and assigned to up, please update the Delivery status | 05:15 |
| mrda | thanks for the reminder devananda | 05:16 |
| jroll | I notice the configdrive stuff is assigned to me; lucas was going to write the code for the PXE driver, but he's out... I'm tied up in some internal stuff this week but could maybe find time? don't want to make promises. we also need to talk more about how to implement it | 05:16 |
| lintan | Yes, AMT Driver need review | 05:16 |
| devananda | jroll: would it be a quick discussion here? or something we should revisit tomorrow? | 05:17 |
| devananda | lintan: any outstanding questions you have on the review, or you just need more folks to review it? | 05:17 |
| wanyen | partition image support for agent driver spec is still under review. | 05:17 |
| devananda | mrda: same question for you ^ | 05:18 |
| jroll | devananda: probably longer, idk, let's see if we have time at the end | 05:18 |
| jroll | devananda: I'm also not at 100% right now, tomorrow or later may be better | 05:18 |
| devananda | wanyen: ah, that's right. do you think there's a chance it'll be done in time, or should we bump it? | 05:18 |
| lintan | devananda: No big question, but I need more folks to review | 05:18 |
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| wanyen | Let mecheck with faizanand get back to you. He can upload a version soon for review. | 05:19 |
| * jroll makes a note to review that | 05:19 | |
| devananda | jroll: ack. tomorrow is fine. I believe I saw the Nova side of that get ack'd, so let's not let it stall too long even if we have to bump it past next week | 05:19 |
| devananda | wanyen: that'd be great | 05:19 |
| jroll | devananda: yep, nova spec is in | 05:19 |
| devananda | #info code review for the AMT driver needed: https://review.openstack.org/135184 | 05:19 |
| jroll | devananda: though I doubt that code will make K1, maybe just best to bump it since we won't have nova support, idk | 05:20 |
| mrda | devananda: So working on logical name implementation, been distracted on other things. Still aiming for K-1 (at least for ironic itself, python-ironicclient might be K-2) | 05:20 |
| jroll | (that code being nova side) | 05:20 |
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| devananda | mrda: I think that's fine. thanks for the heads up | 05:20 |
| * mrda gives himself a kick up the backside | 05:21 | |
| devananda | over the next week, please don't hesitate to ping me if you need something answered / facilitated with regard to these blueprints | 05:21 |
| wanyen | deva, one thing about partition driver for agent driver. I think jroll suggested code refactor for code sharing. Does that infoneeds to be covered in the spec. I think Faizan spent timeon looking into that. | 05:22 |
| devananda | they're the ones which seem most likely to get in // least dependent upon all the other big changes in the pipe for k2 and k3 | 05:22 |
| devananda | wanyen: I think so ... jroll? | 05:22 |
| jroll | devananda, wanyen: we've talked about refactoring partitioning code into a library | 05:23 |
| jroll | and yes, that should go in the spec | 05:23 |
| wanyen | deva- that will take more time for the spec. In any rate I will check with Faizan and see if he can include that in the spec soon. | 05:24 |
| devananda | wanyen: ok, sounds like it is worth bumping the spec so it isn't rushed, which is fine | 05:25 |
| devananda | wanyen: I'll retarget that for K2, but would still like to get consensus and land the spec, if possible, by the end of next week | 05:25 |
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| wanyen | Deva- that would be great | 05:25 |
| devananda | ok - I think that covers K1 (except for the next topic) | 05:26 |
| devananda | any last minute items? | 05:26 |
| jroll | I'm good | 05:26 |
| lazy_prince | is there any target set for neutron port bonding..? | 05:27 |
| devananda | #info partition support in IPA bumped to K2, others on track | 05:27 |
| devananda | lazy_prince: do you have a link to the spec? | 05:27 |
| jroll | lazy_prince: neutron doesn't support that at all today, however I did put up a wip patch for ironic to use our plugin: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139687/ | 05:27 |
| jroll | lazy_prince: it'll need a spec, though | 05:27 |
| jroll | and is clearly not complete | 05:28 |
| jroll | :P | 05:28 |
| devananda | also, fwiw, neutron spec proposal freeze was today | 05:28 |
| lazy_prince | aha okay. | 05:28 |
| wanyen | Deva, we have a spec to make changes to Nova computeCapbilityFilter to support list key values. I felt that we need to target that spec for earlier cycle | 05:28 |
| devananda | so any changes that need to land in neutron will have to wait until next cycle, probably | 05:28 |
| jroll | wanyen: that's up to nova, not us | 05:28 |
| devananda | wanyen: yea, that is Nova's decision, not ours. I believe I saw a spec there, which mikal said was not a priority for them ? | 05:29 |
| * devananda looks for a link | 05:29 | |
| * mrda notes that Nova specs close on the 18th, and that they are unlikely to accept new work at this stage anyways | 05:29 | |
| jroll | mrda: fun! | 05:29 |
| wanyen | So, so should we still puruse that or go for the althernative to use boolean values | 05:30 |
| devananda | wanyen: this one? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133534/ | 05:30 |
| wanyen | deva, yes. | 05:30 |
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| devananda | wanyen: ok, it looks like it has +2 from john but -1 from mikal, as that isn't a priority for nova | 05:31 |
| devananda | wanyen: if the change is demonstrably small, it might be able to make it in. you should bring it up in the nova meeting | 05:31 |
| jroll | wanyen: though it sounds like he might be ok with it, you'll need to answer mikal's questions | 05:31 |
| devananda | wanyen: I'll make a note to attend the next one as well | 05:31 |
| wanyen | deva; will do. | 05:31 |
| wanyen | deav, tx | 05:32 |
| devananda | ok, moving on to other topics as we're haf way through now | 05:32 |
| wanyen | s/deav/deva | 05:32 |
| devananda | #topic new state machine proposal | 05:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "new state machine proposal (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 05:32 | |
| jroll | ok, what's blocking this spec at this point? | 05:32 |
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| devananda | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133828/ | 05:32 |
| jroll | and what can we do to push it along? | 05:32 |
| devananda | I think we've gotten +1's from just about every core on the last few revisions | 05:33 |
| devananda | jroll: so, possibly we're all just gun-shy about approving such a large change? | 05:33 |
| jroll | I guess? | 05:33 |
| devananda | jroll: or the ramifications aren't really clear yet? | 05:33 |
| jroll | it wouldn't hurt to flesh out the rest | 05:33 |
| jroll | and I think it would be great if a core did that | 05:34 |
| devananda | what's on my mind is this | 05:34 |
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| mrda | It's a big change, I guess if the current ironic operators think *their* use cases are covered... | 05:34 |
| jroll | I also think we need to land the fsm branch | 05:34 |
| devananda | is this spec describing the _intention_ that we have, or the _implementation_ of a specific change? | 05:34 |
| jroll | mmm | 05:34 |
| * devananda grabs that link | 05:34 | |
| devananda | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/ironic+branch:master+topic:states,n,z | 05:35 |
| devananda | so, background here is | 05:35 |
| victor_lowther | I intended it to describe the intention :) | 05:35 |
| devananda | that I wanted to be able to reason, for myself, about an upgrade path to get to the state model in victor_lowther's proposal | 05:35 |
| devananda | and I couldn't do that from the code we have today | 05:35 |
| devananda | so I started converting it to use a formal state model | 05:35 |
| devananda | borrowed the fsm.py module from taskflow (thanks harlowja!) and modified it a bit | 05:36 |
| devananda | and came up with that branch that I linked up there | 05:36 |
| jroll | right | 05:36 |
| jroll | so I think we need to land that | 05:36 |
| victor_lowther | ya | 05:37 |
| devananda | I haven't started it yet, but I'm fairly confident we can get from that to a formal model that includes all the states in victor_lowther's proposal | 05:37 |
| devananda | without massively breaking users | 05:37 |
| victor_lowther | it is useful by itself. | 05:37 |
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| jroll | as far as the spec; do we want to land the existing spec, and work on a new spec to flesh out implementation? or do we want to continue to iterate on this spec | 05:37 |
| jroll | and at any rate, who is going to write the rest? | 05:38 |
| devananda | jroll: I'm good if we update the current spec to (more) clearly state that implementation details will follow, then landing it | 05:38 |
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| jroll | I'm mostly interested in the backwards compat bit | 05:38 |
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| jroll | ok, that's fine | 05:39 |
| jroll | however, the reason we need this to be done with quickly is that we need to land the *code* | 05:39 |
| jroll | so we aren't blocking other code | 05:39 |
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| jroll | actually, maybe not, we're mostly blocking specs atm | 05:39 |
| devananda | to a point, yes | 05:39 |
| * jroll babbling | 05:39 | |
| devananda | but to a point, I've see the majority of other specs, whcih are blocked on this, get updaetd in the past week | 05:39 |
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| devananda | to start using the new state machine | 05:40 |
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| jroll | awesome | 05:40 |
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| devananda | and referencing this spec. so I think it is doing that job very well | 05:40 |
| devananda | the biggest open question for me is the API semantics | 05:40 |
| devananda | not around moving from one state to the next -- that shouldn't change (aside from new state names) | 05:40 |
| devananda | but around the metadata | 05:40 |
| mrda | devananda: can you elaborate? | 05:41 |
| devananda | I think we'll need separate specs for that. like how to describe a RAID that I want built during zapping | 05:41 |
| devananda | the API for "go from MANAGED to ZAPPING" is fairly obvious today (at least to me) | 05:41 |
| jroll | yeah, those should be with the corresponding specs | 05:41 |
| devananda | but not the metadata which informs ironic (and the driver) what to do *during* that phase | 05:41 |
| devananda | so yea, we'll need that stuff filled in in add'l specs | 05:42 |
| mrda | ok | 05:42 |
| mrda | I understand | 05:42 |
| jroll | that bit has nothing to do with the state machine | 05:42 |
| jroll | cool | 05:42 |
| devananda | right | 05:42 |
| jroll | devananda: do we want to have someone fill in "implementation details to follow" on the open sections, and we'll agree to land it tonight or tomorrow? | 05:42 |
| devananda | jroll: ++ | 05:43 |
| Haomeng | devananda: one question here , can we add some hook method such nova init_host method and clean_up node mehtods for our new state machine to do some logic during node init and clean up? | 05:43 |
| devananda | victor_lowther: want to do one more update to that effect? | 05:43 |
| devananda | Haomeng: can you elaborate? | 05:43 |
| wanyen | deva, I think node zapping task meta data should go in node zapping spec | 05:43 |
| devananda | wanyen: yes :) | 05:43 |
| victor_lowther | devananda: ya, I was planning on roling another update tomorrow morning. | 05:43 |
| jroll | Haomeng: as in, call to the driver for that logic? | 05:44 |
| jroll | victor_lowther: if you do it during this meeting, we'll land it tonight ;) | 05:44 |
| victor_lowther | dunno, that is rather alot of work for 15 minutes before midnight | 05:44 |
| jroll | (morning is fine, it's late :P) | 05:44 |
| jroll | ya | 05:44 |
| devananda | victor_lowther: tomorrow is fine :) | 05:44 |
| Haomeng | devananda: such as during our node is created, if we have init_host method interface which can be called at that time, we can do something for some driver to do some logic to init the node at that time | 05:45 |
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| Haomeng | jroll: yes, maybe we will add new interface for drivers to handle the node init and clean up event | 05:45 |
| Haomeng | devananda: but not sure if it is good idea:) | 05:45 |
| jroll | Haomeng: I believe that there is room for this in the states :) | 05:45 |
| devananda | Haomeng: there will be the possibility for actions during each state transition | 05:46 |
| Haomeng | jroll: ok, cool | 05:46 |
| Haomeng | devananda: ok | 05:46 |
| victor_lowther | devananda: just to be sure, updates adding notes on where implementation details needed to be fleshed out in other specs,yes? | 05:46 |
| jroll | ^ should add an #info for that | 05:46 |
| devananda | jroll: ack | 05:46 |
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| devananda | #info new state machine spec is good-to-go, will land after one more update from victor_lowther | 05:47 |
| devananda | #info details of the metadata and interactions around some new state transitions (eg, for building a RAID during ZAPPING) to be fleshed out in their respective specs | 05:48 |
| devananda | if that's it, I'll move on | 05:48 |
| jroll | +1 | 05:49 |
| Nisha | devananda, the implementation details for each of the section? | 05:49 |
| devananda | #topic node properties and driver capabilities | 05:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "node properties and driver capabilities (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 05:49 | |
| devananda | just a quick note that these two tightly-related proposals have been bumped to the "L" cycle | 05:49 |
| devananda | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/ironic-specs/specs/backlog/driver-capabilities.html | 05:50 |
| jroll | Nisha: the details for things like zapping... there will likely be another state machine spec for the implementation of the state machine specifically | 05:50 |
| devananda | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/ironic-specs/specs/backlog/hardware-capabilities.html | 05:50 |
| Nisha | devananda, node properties also? | 05:50 |
| devananda | Nisha: yes | 05:50 |
| Nisha | jroll, ok | 05:50 |
| devananda | the authors of each of those agreed that, with the other major work this cycle, it would be better to record the intent in a /backlog/ item | 05:50 |
| devananda | and plan to start the work next cycle | 05:51 |
| wanyen | iLO driver plans to auto create node capabilities for some discovered hw proeprties | 05:51 |
| Nisha | hardware capabilities is dependent on node properties spec (generic one) | 05:51 |
| * mrda notes we've only got 9 minutes left in this meeting | 05:51 | |
| Nisha | but node propertie sis independent | 05:51 |
| Nisha | s/sis/is | 05:52 |
| wanyen | for instance, we want to auto discover supported boot modes and auto create node cpabilities for the dicvoered supported boot modes | 05:52 |
| jroll | Nisha: wanyen: any features depending on this work will also need to wait for L | 05:52 |
| jroll | (as I understand it) | 05:52 |
| devananda | correct | 05:52 |
| devananda | we can, and should, plan for it | 05:53 |
| wanyen | Deva, I kind of think it's related to hw property instrospection | 05:53 |
| devananda | wanyen: I agree. but we have a lot of work to do to realistically solve that | 05:53 |
| wanyen | So what I meant is that for nova scheduling related proeprties (just a few simple ones) can still be done. | 05:54 |
| devananda | targeting these for L lets us focus on what we can achieve now and plan for how we'll incorporate additinoal features in four months | 05:54 |
| devananda | wanyen: sure. assuming Nova accepts taht change this cycle :) | 05:54 |
| Nisha | as i understand node properties refer to introspection here....or introspection is not being discussed here? | 05:54 |
| devananda | Nisha: introspection is separate | 05:54 |
| Nisha | ohk , so introspection is still in K | 05:55 |
| Nisha | devananda, thanks...i thought introspection is bumped to L | 05:55 |
| devananda | we need to move on - time is almost out :) | 05:55 |
| devananda | #topic open discussion | 05:55 |
| mrda | wanyen: So i think you need to ensure there is an approved Nova bp for this, and you represent that at a Nova weekly meeting, to get commitment from the Nova team that they will review and merge your code for K. | 05:55 |
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| wanyen | Nisha, I think we canstill do a few simple hw capabiliteis | 05:55 |
| Nisha | wanyen, yes i think as part of iLO implementation... | 05:56 |
| wanyen | mrda, yes. | 05:56 |
| Nisha | mrda, yes | 05:56 |
| devananda | wanyen: Nisha: discovery of node properties (cpu, ram, disk, etc) -- well within reach for Kilo cycle | 05:56 |
| mrda | So devananda, can you tell us anything about midcycle? Do we have firm dates? location? suggested hotels? etc | 05:56 |
| sirushti | Hi, could we come to a conclusion on whole disk image support spec for the PXE driver and get more reviews for it? | 05:56 |
| lintan | I am working on an ipxe bug: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1384577 This need a fix in Neutron, but no cores in neutron care about this…. | 05:56 |
| devananda | mrda: yes! I have confirmation on dates and location | 05:56 |
| mrda | wanyen: and Nisha: Happy to talk later about this if it will help | 05:56 |
| devananda | mrda: haven't ironed out hotels and whatnot yet | 05:56 |
| lintan | Someone could help on this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130498/ | 05:57 |
| Nisha | yes | 05:57 |
| wanyen | Deva, for iLO driver we wantt o discover a few more properties more than just cpu, disk and memory | 05:57 |
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| devananda | mrda: grenoble, france, from Feb 3 - 5 | 05:57 |
| jroll | lintan: I thought this was supported with neutron :/ | 05:58 |
| mrda | devananda: cool, now I can ask my 2 bosses if I can go (my employer and my wife :) | 05:58 |
| devananda | mrda: lol :) | 05:58 |
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| wanyen | proeprties taht impact scheduling e.g., support boot mode, secure boot ,..etc to avoid human config errors | 05:58 |
| mrda | thanks for organising devananda | 05:58 |
| mrda | if you have a suggested hotel, that'd be great too | 05:59 |
| devananda | mrda: eh, don't thank me until you see how disorganized I am :p | 05:59 |
| jroll | lintan: this works in devstack without isc-dhcp-server, I don't think it's a bug | 05:59 |
| lintan | jroll: you mean this is already supported? | 05:59 |
| mrda | devananda: remember, I came to Portland :P | 05:59 |
| jroll | lintan: yes | 05:59 |
| jroll | one second, /me gets a link | 05:59 |
| devananda | mrda: I'll send all the infos when I have them | 05:59 |
| mrda | thnx | 05:59 |
| devananda | mrda: lol! hey, your boss organized that, not me :) | 05:59 |
| mrda | and this time around it'll be just you :P | 05:59 |
| devananda | mrda: scary, huh? | 06:00 |
| lintan | jroll: interesting, I will have a try again | 06:00 |
| mrda | :) | 06:00 |
| jroll | lintan: is this your commit? it was working as far as I know... https://github.com/openstack/ironic/commit/42f3d52ebbd06e2fb06bfb0fb9aa713cf93389a3 | 06:00 |
| mrda | I think we're out of time (also noting that midcycle is 55 days away :) | 06:00 |
| lintan | jroll: Yes | 06:00 |
| Nisha | is it possible to attend it remotely? | 06:00 |
| jroll | Nisha: yes, we'll be trying to set something up | 06:01 |
| lintan | jroll: this is also need a fix in neutron | 06:01 |
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| jroll | lintan: it certainly was working before that commit :( | 06:01 |
| devananda | Nisha: we'll try to set up some remote participation, yes, but it'll be our first go at that, so I can't promize what it will look like | 06:01 |
| jroll | but yes, we're out of time as mrda pointed out, we should go back to the channel | 06:01 |
| devananda | ok folks, we are over time now | 06:01 |
| devananda | thanks, everyone! | 06:01 |
| jroll | thanks deva \o | 06:01 |
| Nisha | :) thats fine devananda | 06:01 |
| mrda | thanks devananda | 06:01 |
| devananda | #endmeeting | 06:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 06:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 9 06:01:52 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:01 |
| Nisha | thanks jroll | 06:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-12-09-05.01.html | 06:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-12-09-05.01.txt | 06:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-12-09-05.01.log.html | 06:01 |
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| lintan | jroll: but it doesn't work for my environment | 06:02 |
| Haomeng | thanks deva | 06:02 |
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| danpb | #startmeeting libvirt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 9 15:01:47 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is danpb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
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| * danpb waves.... anyone have any libvirt driver items to discuss - there's nothing in the agenda | 15:02 | |
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| kashyap | Libvirt+Nova bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=libvirt+ | 15:04 |
| kashyap | About 75, most of them triaged | 15:04 |
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| kashyap | Though have to spend time investigating what's the status of bugs in progress | 15:04 |
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| kashyap | (s/75/100) | 15:06 |
| danpb | ok thanks | 15:08 |
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| ndipanov | o/ | 15:10 |
| danpb | i guess silence means no one has anything to discuss | 15:11 |
| kashyap | One small note | 15:11 |
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| kashyap | If anyone still has opinions here -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108714/ -- "Support for libvirt/QEMU tar releases" | 15:12 |
| ndipanov | wait I do | 15:12 |
| ndipanov | a fix I just posted that I want to plug :) | 15:12 |
| ndipanov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140357/ | 15:12 |
| danpb | oh fun | 15:13 |
| ndipanov | always | 15:14 |
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| ndipanov | just to be clear - that was caused by insufficiently elaborate unit tests | 15:15 |
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| danpb | ok, lets call this a wrap | 15:16 |
| danpb | #endmeeting | 15:16 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 9 15:16:29 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:16 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/libvirt/2014/libvirt.2014-12-09-15.01.html | 15:16 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/libvirt/2014/libvirt.2014-12-09-15.01.txt | 15:16 |
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| sarob | Morn | 17:02 |
| arosen1 | hiya sarob | 17:02 |
| madhumohan | Hi | 17:02 |
| jasonsb | hallo | 17:02 |
| thinrichs | Hi all | 17:02 |
| thinrichs | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 9 17:02:55 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
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| thinrichs | For those who missed, last week we spent a good chunk of time getting our blueprints assigned to milestones. | 17:03 |
| thinrichs | This week I think we'll go back to focusing on status updates and plans for future work. | 17:04 |
| thinrichs | #topic status | 17:04 |
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| thinrichs | arosen: want to get us started? | 17:04 |
| arosen1 | sure | 17:04 |
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| arosen1 | so i continued to refactor the datasource frame work making it easier for additional plugins to be added. I have several patches on review related to this which need reviews if any of you guys have extra review cycles. | 17:06 |
| thinrichs | I took a look yesterday and thought ayip needed to have a look. | 17:06 |
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| arosen1 | My next task i'm going to work on is refactering the neutron driver. Unfortunately, this will cause the schema there to change. My goal is to get rid of the subtables that we are exposing which we can now due since the datasource driver frame work code now has a concept of parent-key. | 17:07 |
| arosen1 | thinrichs: cool thanks. | 17:07 |
| arosen1 | thats all i have for now to report really unless anyone wants to discuss anything. | 17:07 |
| * arosen1 about those changes. | 17:08 | |
| thinrichs | Sounds good to me. | 17:08 |
| thinrichs | It's good that we're making these small tweaks to schemas now. | 17:08 |
| thinrichs | Once we have people who have written policies, it'll be much worse to change schemas. | 17:09 |
| arosen1 | yup i agree, we don't want those to change to much. | 17:09 |
| thinrichs | We should think of schemas as APIs. | 17:09 |
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| thinrichs | arosen1: do you think the datasource driver is getting pretty stable now? | 17:09 |
| thinrichs | Or do you anticipate further changes? | 17:10 |
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| * glebo is mostly in neutron advanced services | 17:11 | |
| arosen1 | probably more changes but it's getting better and easier to work with in my opinion | 17:11 |
| thinrichs | glebo: Understood. Thanks for multi-tasking. | 17:11 |
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| arosen1 | thinrichs: i'm hoping to be done with it soon. | 17:11 |
| thinrichs | OK. | 17:11 |
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| thinrichs | madhumohan: want to give a status update? | 17:12 |
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| madhumohan | First version of datalog-aggregates available on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140253/ | 17:12 |
| glebo | pretty intense over their right now too, as we ware splitting out the advanced services branch for FWaaS, VPNaaS and LBaaS right now, during the neutron code sprint | 17:12 |
| glebo | s/their/there | 17:12 |
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| thinrichs | madhumohan: cool! Taking a look... | 17:13 |
| madhumohan | it implements a basic count of records.. needs to be reviewed. | 17:13 |
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| thinrichs | madhumohan: I'll try to take a look today and get Samta feedback. | 17:14 |
| madhumohan | I am working on modal operators. Got Congress.g working and i have a separate class "Modal" to handle its details. trying to get it working with compilation. | 17:15 |
| madhumohan | thinrichs: sure. | 17:16 |
| thinrichs | Great! I've fought those wars several times. Let me know if I can help. | 17:16 |
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| thinrichs | jasonsb: have anything to report? | 17:17 |
| jasonsb | little bit | 17:18 |
| jasonsb | attended silisec last week. (silisec is a south bay security meetup) | 17:18 |
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| jasonsb | I was there to see if folks would help us to refine approach taken by congress to security | 17:19 |
| jasonsb | i quickly realized that a bunch of folks there are opsec and you aren't going to be able to help them | 17:19 |
| jasonsb | (i hadn't heard the solyndra story before. fascinating) | 17:19 |
| thinrichs | I'm not a security guy. | 17:19 |
| thinrichs | Can you explain a bit why we can't help the opsec community? | 17:20 |
| jasonsb | but other folks gave advice on the compliance side | 17:20 |
| jasonsb | well. i guess i shouldn't paint with too broad a brush | 17:20 |
| jasonsb | these were the guys who respond to threats | 17:20 |
| jasonsb | (and one who used to carry out on behalf of a 3letter agency) | 17:21 |
| jasonsb | so to help those guys you need to correlate packet stream from outside world, watch it as it enters a VM and then try to correlate with network stream to other hosts | 17:22 |
| jasonsb | If you can help with that then you can alert them that somebody broke into a service and is doing a pivot to compromise other hosts | 17:22 |
| jasonsb | (just one example) | 17:22 |
| jasonsb | its a bit of a cat and mouse game | 17:22 |
| thinrichs | We're definitely not going to help them do that network-packet analysis. | 17:23 |
| jasonsb | so somebody else suggested, if you attack the compliance side, pick a specificiation and implement so that the spec could be written into congress | 17:23 |
| thinrichs | Congress would take the network packet analysis service as an input, and we'd write policy over its results. | 17:23 |
| jasonsb | PCI-DSS came up | 17:23 |
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| thinrichs | We'll sometimes mention HIPAA and PCI to people. | 17:24 |
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| jasonsb | yes, that would be fun | 17:24 |
| thinrichs | PCI is a little scary since people lose can their jobs when PCI is not obeyed. | 17:24 |
| jasonsb | network packet analysis integrated with congress | 17:24 |
| thinrichs | More like intrusion-detection integrated into congress. | 17:24 |
| jasonsb | that would be fantastic | 17:24 |
| thinrichs | I *think* someone proposed a use case around that. I don't think it went anywhere. | 17:25 |
| jasonsb | for PCI what do you think of this: Write a sample congress policy which implements sections of PCI | 17:25 |
| jasonsb | so that a user of congress could present the congress data to their QSA | 17:25 |
| jasonsb | (we would sit on customer side of the table) | 17:25 |
| thinrichs | I know some people got really excited by that idea. | 17:25 |
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| jasonsb | i really enjoyed going to silisec. i plan to go every meet. about 25 people there i think. | 17:27 |
| thinrichs | I think the trick would be to explain how Congress can HELP with PCI compliance. But it won't solve the problem entirely. | 17:27 |
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| jasonsb | yes, messaging will be involved | 17:27 |
| jasonsb | but there are some interesting technical things too | 17:28 |
| jasonsb | section 3.6.4 | 17:28 |
| jasonsb | expiration of cryptographic keys at end of their lifetime | 17:28 |
| thinrichs | Sounds fun. Security is a good source of use cases for us. And we always want to be careful about security implications. | 17:28 |
| jasonsb | humans are not good at key rotation. congress could be. | 17:28 |
| thinrichs | Want to try to work out the details of a policy for key-rotation? | 17:29 |
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| jasonsb | I was making a document for just that. also comparing use-case to sunny's writeup | 17:29 |
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| thinrichs | Sounds good. It'd be great if you let us know when things come up at silisec that seem pertinent. | 17:30 |
| jasonsb | will do. | 17:30 |
| thinrichs | rajdeepd: you there? | 17:31 |
| jasonsb | if you get thirsty you could drop by :) | 17:31 |
| rajdeepd | hi | 17:31 |
| thinrichs | Have a status update for us? | 17:31 |
| thinrichs | jasonsb: :) | 17:31 |
| thinrichs | rajdeepd: did your Horizon code get merged? | 17:32 |
| rajdeepd | yes, submitted the patch for horizon data sources integration | 17:32 |
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| rajdeepd | now we can use horizon to see all the data sources and their respective tables and rows in each table | 17:32 |
| thinrichs | Great! | 17:33 |
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| rajdeepd | as a next step working on blueprint for datasource status table in horizon | 17:33 |
| rajdeepd | submitted for review | 17:33 |
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| rajdeepd | thats it from my side | 17:34 |
| thinrichs | Do you have a blueprint for that spec as well? | 17:34 |
| rajdeepd | yes | 17:34 |
| thinrichs | When I click on the link from the spec, it says the blueprint is not found. | 17:35 |
| rajdeepd | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140228/ | 17:35 |
| thinrichs | The blueprint linked from that spec is what doesn't seem to exist: | 17:37 |
| thinrichs | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/congress/+spec/horizon-integration | 17:37 |
| rajdeepd | ok, will fix that | 17:38 |
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| thinrichs | Thanks. Could you also add a milestone for when you think it will get done? kilo1 (Dec 18), kilo2(Feb 5), kilo3 (Mar 19) | 17:39 |
| rajdeepd | ok.. | 17:40 |
| thinrichs | jwy: want to give a status report? | 17:40 |
| rajdeepd | done means final submission? | 17:40 |
| jwy | rajdeepd: i believe so | 17:42 |
| thinrichs | rajdeepd: roughly. It's not a hard deadline of course. | 17:42 |
| rajdeepd | ok, thanks | 17:42 |
| jwy | does every blueprint require a spec (and vice versa)? | 17:42 |
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| thinrichs | jwy: yes | 17:43 |
| thinrichs | sarob: any exceptions to needing a spec for each blueprint that you can think of? | 17:43 |
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| sarob | Nope | 17:43 |
| jwy | i created a blueprint for pagination of results, but i'll need to make a spec for that then | 17:43 |
| sarob | The spec is the blueprint detail | 17:43 |
| jwy | i think it'd need to be a two-parter - support from the congress server and then from the ui | 17:44 |
| jwy | not sure what the best way to implement it is, though | 17:44 |
| jwy | i've seen lots of discussion on pagination from the other openstack services | 17:45 |
| sarob | Jwy: it's okay to have a spec that describes other work | 17:45 |
| thinrichs | It's not that every bit of work needs a new blueprint though. | 17:45 |
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| jwy | thinrichs: what is the distinction? | 17:45 |
| sarob | Thinrichs true, some are bugs | 17:45 |
| thinrichs | We want blueprints, specs for new features. | 17:45 |
| thinrichs | I don't think I'd consider pagination a new feature worthy of a blueprint. | 17:46 |
| thinrichs | I'd potentially call it a bug to not have it. | 17:46 |
| jwy | oh ok | 17:46 |
| sarob | Some work can be unreferenced but it's a bad habit | 17:46 |
| jwy | i can move it to a bug then | 17:46 |
| thinrichs | Or just another change under the same blueprint as horizon-integration. | 17:46 |
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| jwy | well, i think horizon would also need help from the congress server to break up the results | 17:47 |
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| jwy | this was the blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/congress/+spec/server-side-pagination | 17:47 |
| thinrichs | jwy: I see. Maybe a bug then. Use your best judgment. | 17:48 |
| thinrichs | On second thought, that could be a substantial change to the server. | 17:48 |
| thinrichs | A blueprint/spec seem appropriate. | 17:48 |
| jwy | ok sure | 17:48 |
| thinrichs | I'm not even sure the right answer for that. | 17:49 |
| jwy | still working on prettifying the data in tables in horizon | 17:49 |
| thinrichs | Worth discussing in gerrit. | 17:49 |
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| jwy | yep | 17:49 |
| jwy | re: prettifying data, i might have to get more creative because i don't have access to the congress client at the point that horizon normally renders the data | 17:50 |
| jwy | that's it for my update | 17:50 |
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| thinrichs | jwy: let us know if there's something in the client that's making your job harder. | 17:50 |
| thinrichs | Running short on time today. | 17:51 |
| jwy | ok thanks | 17:51 |
| thinrichs | Radu_: have an update? | 17:51 |
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| Radu_ | Just working on adding some more information to my vcenter driver | 17:51 |
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| thinrichs | Okay. Let us know if you need something. I like having some examples of non-OS datasource drivers. | 17:52 |
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| Radu_ | Been trying to get some input from people on what information they would like to see pulled | 17:52 |
| thinrichs | Though at some point we'll need to figure out how testing could/should work. | 17:52 |
| Radu_ | https://bitbucket.org/ConnerFerguson/vcenter-driver | 17:52 |
| Radu_ | What is up there is running on my congress server right now. | 17:52 |
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| thinrichs | Radu_: you could send an email to the ML to generate discussion. | 17:53 |
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| thinrichs | Maybe include a list of info that's available so people not familiar with it can easily give feedback? | 17:53 |
| Radu_ | The data returned is quite a bit to sort through | 17:53 |
| Radu_ | 1 host and 1 vm combined is over 30 pages of data | 17:54 |
| thinrichs | Wow! | 17:54 |
| Radu_ | I've just been asking around the ofice here for what fields people would be interested in. | 17:54 |
| thinrichs | I'd recommend an initial commit with whatever you have now. | 17:55 |
| thinrichs | And then maybe a series of additional commits where you add additional functionality. | 17:55 |
| thinrichs | s/additional functionality/additional data/ | 17:56 |
| thinrichs | Almost out of time. | 17:56 |
| Radu_ | I'll aim to make a commit soon then | 17:56 |
| thinrichs | Radu_: sounds good. | 17:56 |
| Radu_ | I submitted a spec recently, dont think its merged yet | 17:56 |
| thinrichs | Radu_: I looked at all the specs/code yesterday. Let me know if I still need to do something for your spec. | 17:57 |
| thinrichs | sarob, or anyone else: have a status update? | 17:57 |
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| sarob | We need more reviews from non core reviewer | 17:58 |
| sarob | A | 17:58 |
| sarob | Urg | 17:58 |
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| sarob | If you are writing code | 17:58 |
| sarob | Review someone else's in gerrit | 17:58 |
| sarob | That's it for me | 17:59 |
| thinrichs | Good reminder about reviewing. Thanks. | 17:59 |
| thinrichs | I guess that does it for this week. | 17:59 |
| thinrichs | Thanks all! See you next week! | 18:00 |
| thinrichs | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| jasonsb | byeybye | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 9 18:00:24 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2014/congressteammeeting.2014-12-09-17.02.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2014/congressteammeeting.2014-12-09-17.02.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2014/congressteammeeting.2014-12-09-17.02.log.html | 18:00 |
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