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| david-lyle_afk | #startmeeting Horizon | 11:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 10 11:59:45 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle_afk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 11:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 11:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 11:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 11:59 |
| david-lyle_afk | Who's here to talk Horizon? | 11:59 |
| akrivoka | hello \o | 12:00 |
| zhenguo | hello | 12:00 |
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| ygbo | Hello | 12:00 |
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| tsufiev | hi | 12:00 |
| mrunge | good morning! | 12:00 |
| rbertram | hi | 12:00 |
| Jean-Brice | hi | 12:00 |
| neillc | hello | 12:00 |
| doug-fish | hi | 12:00 |
| david-lyle_afk | Let's get rolling | 12:01 |
| david-lyle_afk | Dec 18 is the end of K-1 | 12:02 |
| david-lyle_afk | #link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/kilo-1 | 12:02 |
| david-lyle_afk | We're really in good shape for that | 12:02 |
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| david-lyle_afk | so nice job everyone, a couple more of those could use code reviews | 12:03 |
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| david-lyle_afk | And the couple without code may not make it | 12:03 |
| david-lyle_afk | Items that don't make it will slip to k-2 | 12:04 |
| david-lyle_afk | which I have planned out for the most part as well #link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/kilo-2 | 12:04 |
| david-lyle_afk | As blueprints are reviewed, there may be some additions | 12:05 |
| david-lyle_afk | beyond milestone information, just a reminder that the former release management meeting is not a cross-project issues meeting | 12:05 |
| david-lyle_afk | 2100 UTC on Tues | 12:06 |
| david-lyle_afk | all are welcome to attend | 12:06 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle_afk, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/images-integration-tests - didn't we have a single blueprint for all new integration tests? | 12:06 |
| tsufiev | I mean https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/selenium-integration-testing | 12:06 |
| david-lyle_afk | although I must confess that a lot of the cross-project topics don't line up with us very much | 12:07 |
| jpich | I would encourage people to open bugs for new integration tests and tag them with integration-tests, rather than create blueprints | 12:07 |
| david-lyle_afk | tsufiev: I'm not a big fan of catch-all blueprints, mostly because you never know if they're done | 12:08 |
| mrunge | +1 david-lyle_afk | 12:08 |
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| tsufiev | david-lyle_afk, yep, makes sense. I've just seen how many CRs are already here :) | 12:09 |
| david-lyle | I think the images one looks ok because it mention the previous bp | 12:09 |
| tsufiev | s/here/there/ | 12:09 |
| david-lyle | any questions about release scheduling? k-3 is not fully fleshed out yet, but a lot will likely be overflow from k-2 | 12:10 |
| david-lyle | I know a few more bps need review and I will add those to the blueprint review page, as soon as I'm not distracted | 12:11 |
| david-lyle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Horizon/Blueprint_Reviews | 12:12 |
| david-lyle | most on the first list are scheduled, a couple require further clarification first | 12:12 |
| david-lyle | ok, moving on | 12:12 |
| david-lyle | ok, actually one more general item regarding the release | 12:13 |
| david-lyle | in the team meeting last week, and on the mailing list we announced that we are canceling the repo split | 12:13 |
| ygbo | is it a temperary or definit cancel? | 12:14 |
| ygbo | s/temperary/temporary/ | 12:14 |
| david-lyle | ygbo: at this point I'd say permanent | 12:14 |
| mrunge | ygbo, permanent | 12:14 |
| tsufiev | I guess if everything will be ok with Horizon, there won't be any time safe for split :) | 12:14 |
| tsufiev | i.e. calm enough | 12:15 |
| mrunge | tsufiev, IMHO, that's not the point | 12:15 |
| david-lyle | the direction of the project is away from the django based toolkit, and taking a lot of time and energy to split and maintain it is not really inline with that | 12:15 |
| mrunge | and we'd find a time. | 12:15 |
| tsufiev | mrunge, ok | 12:16 |
| david-lyle | ok, now moving on | 12:17 |
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| david-lyle_afk | #topic Next step with 3rd party components & packaging (xstatic / bower) | 12:17 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Next step with 3rd party components & packaging (xstatic / bower) (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 12:17 | |
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| * david-lyle hates that he forgot to switch nick before starting this | 12:17 | |
| mrunge | ;-) | 12:18 |
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| david-lyle | I don't see richard in the room | 12:19 |
| david-lyle | and I think the next item is his as well | 12:20 |
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| david-lyle | hmm, suboptimal | 12:20 |
| neillc | He was planning to be here. | 12:21 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, I just added this to the agenda | 12:21 |
| mrunge | since it was a bit overflow from last week | 12:21 |
| david-lyle | ok, I think my summary of the current status of 3rd party packaging is we're stuck with xstatic for the time being | 12:22 |
| mrunge | there was another item from Dec 3: cinder rest api... | 12:22 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: DuncanT jumped in a bit a the end, but we could talk about it | 12:23 |
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| rbertram | stuck with xstatoc for Kilo? | 12:23 |
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| rbertram | does "for the time being" mean "for Kilo"? | 12:23 |
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| mrunge | what's the issue with xstatic approach? | 12:23 |
| david-lyle | rbertram: to make forward progress | 12:24 |
| rbertram | ok | 12:24 |
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| david-lyle | mrunge: other than it being a bit clunky and a repeat of say what bower is doing, I'm not sure | 12:24 |
| rbertram | mrunge: I'm not advocating either side, due to lack of experience w/ bower. Just wanting to know what to do. | 12:24 |
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| david-lyle | pulling tagged bits from a repo would make releasing difficult for distributions | 12:25 |
| * david-lyle understates | 12:25 | |
| mrunge | my idea currently was to drop xstatic etc. to replace installs from bower with distro packaging | 12:26 |
| mrunge | not sure, how this would work on the gate... | 12:26 |
| david-lyle | mrunge: should put the js in an rpm without the xstatic wrappings? | 12:27 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, at least, we can | 12:27 |
| david-lyle | s/should/would/ | 12:27 |
| david-lyle | question rather than implication | 12:27 |
| mrunge | david-lyle, and I assume, the same will work for .deb | 12:28 |
| david-lyle | gates will work with slightly different mechanism | 12:28 |
| mrunge | but as far as I understand the gate, every dep is installed via pip install.... | 12:28 |
| david-lyle | storyboard has gone down that path | 12:29 |
| david-lyle | dynamically installs the toolset | 12:29 |
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| david-lyle | and dependencies | 12:29 |
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| david-lyle_afk | #topic Open Discussion | 12:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 12:31 | |
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| david-lyle | jumping here, if richard makes it, we'll go back | 12:31 |
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| david-lyle | I will mention the policy proposal here | 12:32 |
| david-lyle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136980/ | 12:32 |
| david-lyle | this is from Cinder | 12:32 |
| david-lyle | I met with them at their mid-cycle in Juno and talked a bit about our policy difficulties | 12:33 |
| doug-fish | I was just looking at that - it seems like a good idea at a high level | 12:33 |
| david-lyle | it would be nice to push that to the APIs | 12:33 |
| david-lyle | the potential short-coming I see are splintered implementation across services | 12:34 |
| doug-fish | david-lyle: do you think we can take advantage before all of the APIs have it? | 12:34 |
| david-lyle | and the target information is not always general | 12:34 |
| david-lyle | doug-fish: certainly | 12:34 |
| david-lyle | but it's more service specific code, like pagination, etc | 12:34 |
| amotoki | iirc, there was a dicsussion on common policy service in a context of keystone at Paris, thogh I am not aware of the status/progress. | 12:34 |
| david-lyle | amotoki: the first step for that would be a policy store | 12:35 |
| david-lyle | essentially one true source for policy.json files in the cloud | 12:35 |
| amotoki | david-lyle: agree | 12:36 |
| doug-fish | is there any blueprint/etherpad/wiki regarding that discussion? | 12:36 |
| david-lyle | I think there are grander aspirations to maybe provide something similar to what Cinder is proposing, but not entirely sure that an outside service is best equipped to make those determinations | 12:37 |
| david-lyle | doug-fish: keystone wise? | 12:37 |
| doug-fish | yeah | 12:37 |
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| david-lyle | I'm sure there's a spec | 12:37 |
| david-lyle | they wouldn't have a bp until the spec passes | 12:37 |
| doug-fish | oh sure | 12:37 |
| doug-fish | those guys are formal. :-) | 12:37 |
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| david-lyle | at quick glance I see 4 policy related specs in keystone-specs, but none seem to be what we're discussing | 12:39 |
| david-lyle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134655/ seems related | 12:40 |
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| david-lyle | So, I'll provide some feedback on the proposal, but I encourage others to take a look | 12:41 |
| david-lyle | other topics | 12:41 |
| david-lyle | ? | 12:41 |
| david-lyle | There have been more questions regarding a mid-cycle meetup for Horizon. | 12:43 |
| david-lyle | My thoughts are that while I feel it would be useful and probably very productive, | 12:43 |
| david-lyle | the globally distributed nature of our team makes this a high burden on 2/3s of the team to travel | 12:44 |
| david-lyle | I also worry about the timing of a topic target meetup | 12:44 |
| david-lyle | I am open to the idea, but I have never got too many we really shoulds, other than from US folks who assume it will be here | 12:45 |
| david-lyle | other thoughts on that? | 12:45 |
| david-lyle | I think trying to work on some online collaboration times would be beneficial and meet many of the same objectives | 12:46 |
| doug-fish | do you know how other projects handle that? | 12:46 |
| doug-fish | that= picking a location | 12:46 |
| david-lyle | doug-fish: they ask hosts to volunteer, then select based on where the team can make it | 12:47 |
| david-lyle | or reverse that order | 12:47 |
| david-lyle | then schedule a date and try to get discounted hotel blocks etc | 12:47 |
| amotoki | I think a location is not so important. Nova helds the mid-cycle at bay area and neutron has it at salt-lake city on a different schedule. | 12:47 |
| amotoki | They have volunteer to offer spaces. | 12:48 |
| david-lyle | amotoki: we have volunteers too | 12:48 |
| jpich | +1 to figuring out how to better collaborate online with the whole community and relying less on face-to-face meetings | 12:48 |
| sambetts | jpich: +1 | 12:49 |
| david-lyle | but the ones I know of are in the US, and I'm not sure how many folks outside the US would be able to travel | 12:49 |
| david-lyle | It feels like a high bar | 12:49 |
| doug-fish | agreed. | 12:49 |
| zhenguo | jpich: +1 | 12:50 |
| david-lyle | I know infra just conducted a meetup online, I'll talk to them and get more details on how they did it | 12:51 |
| doug-fish | cool | 12:51 |
| david-lyle | I'm not sure google hangouts scales enough or works for everyone, I know they went a different route | 12:51 |
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| david-lyle | other items? | 12:52 |
| neillc | I believe google hangouts have a limte for number of participants | 12:52 |
| david-lyle | neillc: yeah, I think it's 10 | 12:52 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, afaik hangouts has 15 or 20 people limitation. | 12:53 |
| david-lyle | ok more than I thought | 12:53 |
| tsufiev | WebEx? | 12:53 |
| neillc | I think 10 may be right. We've hit it with our team which is < 15 | 12:53 |
| amotoki | i wonder how the bp review process works? I am sure how to know/share their review status... | 12:53 |
| bradjones | 15 if you have a business account otherwise 10 | 12:54 |
| david-lyle | amotoki: so far I've been putting blueprints in the review state that I thought were ready for review | 12:54 |
| tsufiev | we've been using WebEx for meetings with large number of participants (in Mirantis) | 12:54 |
| david-lyle | trying to add to wiki, when I remember | 12:54 |
| david-lyle | imperfect solution | 12:55 |
| david-lyle | thinking I'm going to advocate moving to specs in L | 12:55 |
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| ygbo | thers is http://bluejeans.com/ | 12:56 |
| ygbo | I don't know the limit | 12:56 |
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| ygbo | but read-hat people might know since they use it :-) | 12:56 |
| amotoki | david-lyle: thanks. updating the status on wiki sounds good at the moment. | 12:56 |
| david-lyle | once they are in the review state and I've publicized them, if I don't get negative feedback and I also agree with the direction of the bp, I schedule it | 12:56 |
| ygbo | s/read-hat/red-hat/ | 12:56 |
| david-lyle | amotoki: sure, I'll make sure I do that | 12:57 |
| david-lyle | will save so many clicks | 12:57 |
| amotoki | :-) | 12:57 |
| david-lyle | I want to draw attention to the rest API patches and Identity panel reworks patches that Richard and Thai have been working on | 12:58 |
| david-lyle | make sure to review those | 12:58 |
| * david-lyle doesn't have links handy | 12:58 | |
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| david-lyle | we'd like to have this in good shape by early k-2 so we can build on it | 12:59 |
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| david-lyle | times up. Thanks everyone for finding the new meeting time. Have a great week! | 13:00 |
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| akrivoka | thanks everyone | 13:00 |
| david-lyle_afk | #endmeeting | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 10 13:00:23 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-12-10-11.59.html | 13:00 |
| amotoki | thanks | 13:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-12-10-11.59.txt | 13:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-12-10-11.59.log.html | 13:00 |
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| vishwanathj | SumitNaiksatam H | 18:30 |
| vishwanathj | hi | 18:30 |
| RuiZang | Hi | 18:30 |
| SridarK | hi | 18:30 |
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| vishwanathj | RuiZang, SridarK Hi | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: RuiZang SridarK: hi | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets get started | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting Networking FWaaS | 18:32 |
| SridarK | Hi All | 18:32 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 10 18:32:05 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:32 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:32 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info the Spec Approval deadline is 12/15 | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info Kilo-1 is 12/18 | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info Services’ split is underway, and FWaaS plugin and driver artifacts are in a separate repo | 18:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we will try to focus on the discussion related to the split, and try to keep it short so as to allow people to go back and participate in the split related effort | 18:34 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic FWaaS code split and work items | 18:34 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the currently documented list of outstanding items is identified here: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/services_split | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | btw, the new code repository is: #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron-fwaas | 18:37 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i am looking at the UT re-enabling - i think i need the alembic changes ? | 18:37 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yeah | 18:37 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i saw ur comment in brandon's spec | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: i tested the two alembic patches yesterday | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: however that does not have the actual migrations | 18:38 |
| SridarK | i am patching soon and will keep on the UT | 18:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: ok good | 18:38 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i was a little confused on the interaction with neutron there | 18:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: go ahead | 18:39 |
| SridarK | but hopefully for UT - it may work | 18:39 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: so if i patch in brandon's fwaas alembic changes is that good enough | 18:39 |
| SridarK | to get UT moving | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: actually i am not sure that is required for the UT to work | 18:40 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: ok hmm that was my thought initially - but ran into some issues | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: when we run UTs, we dont run the alembic migration, the DB models are loaded into in memory db | 18:40 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: anyways let me bang on this more and i will reach out | 18:40 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: exactly that was my understanding too | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: the reason the alembic migrations are required is because the gate will not work without those | 18:41 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes for sure | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: and they need the gate to work for the pending patches to merge | 18:41 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: i think they have temporarily disabled the gate on the services’ tests | 18:41 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: ok i was trying to get some things going in parallel so if there are issues - we will be ready with the alembic stuff, then devstack changes all go in | 18:42 |
| SridarK | * we will be ready when | 18:42 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: let me bang on this some more and i will ping u later | 18:42 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yes absolutely | 18:43 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: thanks | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: there was a patch in the morning to fix a path in the varmour UTs | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: did you pick that up? | 18:43 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: hmm no | 18:43 |
| SridarK | I will look | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: this the latest commit on the tree: #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron-fwaas/commit/?id=a3000c57f42f3a6818545edee1993a393d781c4a | 18:43 |
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| badveli | hello all | 18:45 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i believe i have just picked it up in my new refresh | 18:46 |
| badveli | sorry my inetrent was down a bit | 18:46 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: thanks | 18:46 |
| SridarK | badveli: hi | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: cool | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: np | 18:46 |
| badveli | hello sridark | 18:46 |
| badveli | hello sumit | 18:46 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i am little confused by this: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140572/4/lib/neutron_plugins/services/firewall | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | since we still have shims in neutron to the service plugins: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140515/5/neutron/services/firewall/fwaas_plugin.py | 18:47 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i looked at this - thought this is just the path to our plugin | 18:47 |
| SridarK | devstack uses this to set up neutron.conf i believe | 18:48 |
| SridarK | so u think with shims this is not needed ? | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yeah i would think so | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i have put my comment | 18:49 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: ok | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: anything else that is in flight that we havent covered with regards to the split? | 18:51 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: none that i know off | 18:51 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i am sure things will pop up | 18:51 |
| badveli | i have not yet cloned the repository | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the migration scripts will have to be moved | 18:52 |
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| Swami | have anyone tested with the new split | 18:53 |
| SridarK | Swami: not quite there yet | 18:53 |
| badveli | no | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: the UTs are currently disabled | 18:53 |
| Swami | ok | 18:54 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the service repos however have a reference to the neutron repos | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so the neutron imports should work | 18:55 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: so what was the error you were seeing? | 18:56 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: the error was related to FirewallRules table - | 18:57 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i am trying to work thru one set of tests | 18:57 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: but i have not started a new run with an updated tree | 18:58 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: let me do that first before raising some false alarms | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: okay sure | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyone have questions on the split, or in general? | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Docs | 18:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: just a check, anything more needed from our end on the DVR doc? | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in last week’s meeting we had a couple of suggestions | 18:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | okay perhaps Swami is not around | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 19:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | I did not notice any new bugs (apart from the ones we are dealing with on the services’ split) | 19:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: badveli: anything show up on your radar? | 19:03 |
| SridarK_ | sorry got bounced out and have rejoined | 19:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: ah, i thought i was on the wrong side of the network split! :-) | 19:04 |
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| SridarK_ | SumitNaiksatam: :-) | 19:04 |
| Swami | SumitNaiksatam: sorry I missed your comment. | 19:04 |
| Swami | I think for now we are ok. | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: no worries | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: ok great | 19:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK_: badveli: any new critical bugs you noticed? | 19:05 |
| SridarK_ | SumitNaiksatam: nothing new | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK_: okay | 19:05 |
| badveli | 19:05 | |
| badveli | nothing major | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: anything less than major but new? | 19:06 |
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| badveli | i did not find anything | 19:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Blueprints/Specs | 19:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | as mentioned earlier 12/15 is the deadline to get the pending specs approved | 19:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | our community specs under review: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138672/ (firewall router association) | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94133 (service objects) | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ah sorry that last link is incorrect | 19:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i got excited for a min! | 19:10 |
| badveli | yes | 19:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/131596 (service groups) | 19:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: what about the DVR E-W traffic? | 19:11 |
| badveli | yes we have it | 19:11 |
| badveli | 19:11 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: link? | 19:11 |
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| badveli | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140222/ | 19:11 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: ah good | 19:12 |
| SridarK_ | SumitNaiksatam: on the router association, thanks for ur review, others - could really use some more comments - we have discussed this quite a bit so hopefully there are no major surprises | 19:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK_: yeah, will give it another read, thanks for your deligence | 19:13 |
| natarajk | i also reviewed the router association spec. Looks good | 19:13 |
| SridarK_ | SumitNaiksatam: thanks | 19:13 |
| SridarK_ | natarajk: thanks | 19:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: it was great that you could meet the proposal deadline | 19:13 |
| badveli | thanks sumit | 19:13 |
| Swami | badveli: thanks for putting together the blueprint spec out. | 19:14 |
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| badveli | thanks swami | 19:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: thanks for the technical discussion and options provided! | 19:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | on the vendor blueprints | 19:14 |
| SridarK_ | we have: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129836/ | 19:14 |
| SridarK_ | thanks to multiple review comments - thanks folks | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: can you update the wiki page: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/FWaaS#Blueprint_Tracking | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | with the propose links to your two specs? | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK_: thanks | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the second one is vishwanathj’s: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136953/ | 19:15 |
| badveli | yes sumit | 19:16 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | and we have two from RuiZang, #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134198/ #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91286/ | 19:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vishwanathj: RuiZang: i will try to get to those soon | 19:16 |
| RuiZang | SumitNaiksatam: thanks | 19:16 |
| SridarK_ | vishwanathj: thanks for addressing comments - have a few more minor clarifications - pushing that out in a few mins - after that i think i am good | 19:16 |
| vishwanathj | SumitNaiksatam, Thanks | 19:16 |
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| SridarK_ | RuiZang: i will also take a look | 19:16 |
| vishwanathj | SridarK, I will upload a new spec based on your comments. | 19:17 |
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| RuiZang | SridarK_: thanks | 19:17 |
| vishwanathj | RuiZang, Please take a look at Brocade spec and I will look at yours as well | 19:17 |
| RuiZang | vishwanathj: sure thing ;) | 19:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything spec to discuss in the context of any of the above specs (i belive we have 3 + 4 = 7 specs in review) | 19:18 |
| badveli | we have not yet heard anything from mark about the mail that gregory had send out | 19:19 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: okay | 19:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: thanks for that update! | 19:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 19:20 |
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| badveli | i am not sure what would be the next steps, they had mentioned initially a security group reviewer and an api reviewere | 19:20 |
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| badveli | what would be our next steps? | 19:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: yeah, i am not sure either, i guess we just have to keep trying | 19:21 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: i think the process that was asked to be followed has been followed | 19:21 |
| badveli | yes sumikt | 19:22 |
| badveli | thanks sumit | 19:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anthing else that anyone wants to bring up for today! | 19:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: thanks for your persistence on that | 19:22 |
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| badveli | thanks sumit, and all the reviewers | 19:23 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | alrigth, thanks all! | 19:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 19:24 |
| vishwanathj | bye | 19:24 |
| SridarK_ | Ok Bye | 19:24 |
| RuiZang | bye | 19:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:24 |
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| Swami | bye | 19:24 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 10 19:24:26 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-12-10-18.32.html | 19:24 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-12-10-18.32.txt | 19:24 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-12-10-18.32.log.html | 19:24 |
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| mriedem | HI! | 22:00 |
| alaski | #startmeeting nova_cells | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 10 22:00:28 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alaski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| vineetmenon_ | hi | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 22:00 |
| tonyb | Howdy guys. | 22:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 22:00 |
| gilliard | Hello | 22:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 22:00 |
| alaski | hi | 22:00 |
| edleafe | hey | 22:00 |
| dansmith | yo | 22:00 |
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| mateuszb | Hi | 22:00 |
| belmoreira | hi | 22:01 |
| alaski | awesome, let's get started | 22:01 |
| alaski | #topic Cells manifesto | 22:01 |
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| alaski | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139191/ | 22:01 |
| alaski | It's been proposed to devref | 22:01 |
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| alaski | I have some changes I would still like to make, but please look it over and comment | 22:02 |
| dansmith | gilliard: you know that normal nova *is* a no-cells deployment, right? | 22:02 |
| dansmith | alaski: I didn't realize this was up yet, sorry, else I'd have reviewed it | 22:02 |
| gilliard | dansmith: right. | 22:02 |
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| alaski | dansmith: no worries. I didn't really announce it at all | 22:03 |
| vineetmenon_ | alaski: nice stuff.. | 22:03 |
| bauzas | \o | 22:03 |
| dansmith | gilliard: okay, then I don't understand your comment on there | 22:03 |
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| melwitt | after cells v2 there won't be no-cells is what I thought it meant | 22:03 |
| alaski | I took it to mean that going forward there won't be a no-cells deployment | 22:03 |
| dansmith | ah, okay, | 22:03 |
| gilliard | that's what I meant, yes. | 22:03 |
| mriedem | there won't not be a cells deployment, more double negatives please | 22:04 |
| vineetmenon_ | it's actually, no no-cell deployment | 22:04 |
| dansmith | I guess it seems weird that the comment is in the cellsv1 section | 22:04 |
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| melwitt | oh, I didn't notice that | 22:04 |
| dansmith | that's why I was confused, but sounds like alaski will just slap something in there to clarify | 22:04 |
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| gilliard | I'll try to word it better | 22:04 |
| alaski | yeah, I'll likely add it to the proposal section | 22:04 |
| comstud | alaski: How does top level cell have things like correct current power state for instance for 'nova show <instance_uuid>' ? | 22:05 |
| alaski | uh oh | 22:05 |
| dansmith | yeah :/ | 22:05 |
| dansmith | comstud: because it connects directly to the cell db to look at that | 22:05 |
| alaski | comstud: it doesn't. all queries go to a cell | 22:05 |
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| comstud | Ok, so you look up the mapping first | 22:05 |
| dansmith | comstud: and direct to its db, not to its conductor or anything | 22:05 |
| alaski | comstud: right | 22:06 |
| bauzas | using the cell instance mapping table :) | 22:06 |
| comstud | so 2 db calls | 22:06 |
| comstud | which is fine | 22:06 |
| dansmith | initially yeah | 22:06 |
| alaski | comstud: yes. very likely to end up cached in memory | 22:06 |
| alaski | eventually | 22:06 |
| vineetmenon_ | actually 3 db if we have cells and server tables different | 22:06 |
| bauzas | comstud: I think you should be interested in looking https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135644/ | 22:06 |
| dansmith | vineetmenon_: how three? | 22:06 |
| vineetmenon_ | first get the cell, then the server then get status from db connection? | 22:07 |
| comstud | this is unfortunate for cells that may be 'far away' | 22:07 |
| dansmith | vineetmenon_: um, not sure about that | 22:07 |
| comstud | cache probably solves it | 22:07 |
| vineetmenon_ | oh.. okay.. i may need to revisit that.. | 22:08 |
| dansmith | comstud: so the thought was also to mix in some of what alaski was talking about doing with current stuff even, which is caching like the json from an instance show | 22:08 |
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| comstud | yeah, now that xml is dead.. caching json is cool | 22:08 |
| bauzas | cache could be a good option provided we know when invalidating it :Ã ) | 22:08 |
| bauzas | :) | 22:09 |
| alaski | right, we could keep a read friendly copy of relevant instance data up top | 22:09 |
| dansmith | bauzas: if vm_state == active, cache for a while, invalidate when you do a thing | 22:09 |
| * bauzas likes nitpicking | 22:09 | |
| dansmith | bauzas: if vm_state != active, cache for only short periods | 22:09 |
| dansmith | I think there are some easy wins there | 22:09 |
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| bauzas | dansmith: agreed, and invalidate on a subset of queries ? | 22:09 |
| dansmith | right | 22:10 |
| vineetmenon_ | There are only two hard things in Computer Science: cache invalidation and naming things. -- Phil Karlton. | 22:10 |
| alaski | comstud: I was originally thinking of how to move from current cells to a place where the global db differed from the cells. this is approaching that same place from the other side | 22:10 |
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| bauzas | vineetmenon_: that's why I just wanted to make sure we're not creating a beast :) | 22:10 |
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| alaski | comstud: and removing the cells rpc proxy and just hitting mqs directly | 22:10 |
| alaski | and dbs | 22:10 |
| bauzas | alleluiah | 22:10 |
| comstud | yeah | 22:11 |
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| comstud | I think this is a reasonable solution | 22:11 |
| * dansmith gasps | 22:11 | |
| comstud | it feels somewhat less distributed somehow, though. | 22:11 |
| comstud | 'feels' | 22:11 |
| melwitt | how about the list instances all tenants query? I assume that doesn't end up significantly more costly than current cells | 22:12 |
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| comstud | i think the thing that negates that feeling is the cache.. depending on how it is implemented | 22:12 |
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| bauzas | melwitt: are we really *sure* that this query scales ? :D | 22:12 |
| bauzas | I mean atm ? | 22:12 |
| dansmith | comstud: you could potentially have the dbs all close to the api node, since the computes are using rpc to get to the DB anyway | 22:12 |
| vineetmenon_ | comstud, but thinking from a systems POV, this design looks clean, if not efficient | 22:12 |
| dansmith | comstud: i.e. more latency for computes, less for the api, but still one DB per cell | 22:12 |
| dansmith | melwitt: you issues multiple parallel requests to each cell | 22:13 |
| alaski | melwitt: it's costlier in terms of db connections, but the size of the data should be the same | 22:13 |
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| comstud | dansmith: that makes it worse for me :) | 22:13 |
| comstud | less distributed | 22:13 |
| bauzas | and then someone invented MapReduce | 22:13 |
| dansmith | comstud: right, but faster for the API -- I wasn't really talking about the dsitributedness there | 22:14 |
| comstud | sure, it's faster | 22:14 |
| melwitt | dansmith, alaski: yeah, I was referring to number of db calls | 22:14 |
| bauzas | I mean, I like the idea of dividing for reigning | 22:14 |
| dansmith | melwitt: but if they're in parallel to N DBs and smaller each | 22:14 |
| bauzas | so we can scale if we do parallel calls | 22:14 |
| melwitt | yeah, cool | 22:15 |
| alaski | comstud: this may end up evolving to look a lot like current cells over time, if we need more distributedness | 22:15 |
| gilliard | I'll try to word it better~. | 22:15 |
| bauzas | of course, that's tied to greenthread IOs, but don't pick the nits yet now :) | 22:15 |
| dansmith | bauzas: right | 22:15 |
| dansmith | next topic? | 22:16 |
| alaski | yep | 22:16 |
| alaski | this got off topic a bit | 22:16 |
| alaski | but everyone comment on the manifesto :) | 22:16 |
| vineetmenon_ | alaski: just a sec | 22:16 |
| alaski | #topic Testing | 22:16 |
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| vineetmenon_ | there are two tables, right.. | 22:16 |
| alaski | vineetmenon_: there are. but can you hold for open discussion? | 22:17 |
| comstud | I certainly like the queue part. | 22:17 |
| vineetmenon_ | so, I'm not getting, why we need parallel db calls.. | 22:17 |
| alaski | I updated the bottom of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-cells-testing with the latest test failures | 22:17 |
| vineetmenon_ | you can precisely get which server resides where, right | 22:17 |
| comstud | I think the DB part is reasonable for now to simply things | 22:17 |
| alaski | we're down to 40 test failures on the latest runs | 22:17 |
| vineetmenon_ | or am I totally wrong? | 22:17 |
| dansmith | vineetmenon_: can you wait for open discussion? | 22:17 |
| vineetmenon_ | okay.. sure | 22:18 |
| mriedem | so looks like we need eyes on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135700/ | 22:18 |
| alaski | comstud: awesome. I would love your thoughts on the specs that are open, or a more open discussion at some poitn | 22:18 |
| comstud | I just looked at the one so far | 22:18 |
| dansmith | mriedem: well, eyes are good for sure, but I'm still not where I want to be on that thing :( | 22:18 |
| mriedem | dansmith: so it's WIP? | 22:19 |
| comstud | I'll see if I can find time to look and comment more | 22:19 |
| comstud | but it probably won't be til after christmas | 22:19 |
| alaski | mriedem: the one before that is I think | 22:19 |
| comstud | hehe | 22:19 |
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| bauzas | mriedem: sorry for looking lazy, but how this patch helps increasing the coverage ? | 22:19 |
| mriedem | dansmith: oh boy, just saw LOC | 22:19 |
| alaski | comstud: heh, no worries | 22:19 |
| * bauzas misses some backlog history | 22:19 | |
| mriedem | bauzas: i was just looking at the list of patches for review in the testing etherpad | 22:19 |
| dansmith | mriedem: yeah | 22:19 |
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| comstud | you obviously don't need me ;) | 22:19 |
| dansmith | mriedem: this is the third time I've started it from scratch, but flavors are just soooo pervasive :( | 22:20 |
| dansmith | mriedem: third time I've tried splitting bits off I mean | 22:20 |
| alaski | comstud: if we say we do will you stick around :) | 22:20 |
| bauzas | ok, so can s/o explain why modifying storage of flavors will help functional test coverage ? | 22:20 |
| dansmith | alaski: he means he doesn't need *us* too :) | 22:20 |
| * bauzas is lost a bit | 22:20 | |
| dansmith | bauzas: unrelated | 22:20 |
| bauzas | dansmith: oh, perfect reason then | 22:20 |
| bauzas | :) | 22:20 |
| alaski | bauzas: what we need is for flavor extra_specs to be available in a cell | 22:21 |
| alaski | because flavors are not replicated into the cell dbs | 22:21 |
| alaski | we want to pass that down with the instance | 22:21 |
| bauzas | alaski: aaaah ack. | 22:21 |
| comstud | This does go somewhat in the opposite direction than I was thinkings in terms of the API | 22:21 |
| tonyb | alaski: is that basically the same reqiest the ironic guys had? | 22:21 |
| dansmith | we need it for a lot of things | 22:21 |
| alaski | tonyb: yes, it will help them as well | 22:21 |
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| comstud | I wanted to segregate it more from the computes | 22:22 |
| tonyb | alaski: cool. | 22:22 |
| comstud | but depending on how the cache works, it might end up the same thing | 22:22 |
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| alaski | comstud: cool, would love to talk more on this when there's more time | 22:23 |
| vineetmenon_ | comstud: that's why we are looking forward in spilitting data between cell and api..https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-cells-table-analysis | 22:23 |
| comstud | me too | 22:23 |
| comstud | unfort i have like 3 big things to finish before xmas | 22:23 |
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| alaski | so the reason that dansmiths patch series is linked in the testing etherpad is because it's a long term solution to something we've worked around in another way in the short term | 22:24 |
| alaski | which is likely to break as the scheduler work progresses (the short term solution) | 22:24 |
| alaski | dansmith: is there anything we can do to help with it atm | 22:25 |
| dansmith | alaski: shoot me in the head | 22:25 |
| alaski | that helps you, not us :) | 22:25 |
| melwitt | :( | 22:25 |
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| dansmith | heh | 22:25 |
| vineetmenon_ | :) | 22:25 |
| tonyb | alaski: so on Testing and the ~40 failures is that something I can look at and not duplicate work you're doing? | 22:26 |
| alaski | well, there are still 40 failures which are likely unrelated to flavors | 22:26 |
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| alaski | tonyb: yes | 22:26 |
| alaski | I'm intermittently looking into them, but I can mark that on the pad when I do it | 22:27 |
| bauzas | well, the host detail Tempest test worries me | 22:27 |
| bauzas | because I can't see how we can fix it | 22:27 |
| tonyb | alaski: okay I'll see what I can do in that area | 22:27 |
| alaski | tonyb: awesome | 22:27 |
| alaski | bauzas: do you know where the failure is? | 22:27 |
| bauzas | alaski: needs definitely more time to look at the issue | 22:28 |
| alaski | ok | 22:28 |
| bauzas | need* | 22:28 |
| tonyb | it'd be nice to actually write code in openstack rather than qemu/libvirt ;P | 22:28 |
| alaski | bauzas: if it's not a quick fix, we can skip the test(s) | 22:28 |
| alaski | moving on... | 22:29 |
| alaski | #topic cells scheduling requirements | 22:29 |
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| alaski | woops, forgot to link on the agenda | 22:29 |
| alaski | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-cells-scheduling-requirements | 22:29 |
| vineetmenon_ | bauza: are you talking about this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1312002 | 22:29 |
| mateuszb | There is a use case of filtering cells basing on their capabilities which are already gathered and passed up to the parent cell: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140031/ | 22:29 |
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| alaski | mateuszb: yes, I agree. But I do think it's unrelated to this a bit | 22:30 |
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| alaski | because we're not really looking at using the cells scheduler | 22:31 |
| bauzas | vineetmenon_: nope | 22:31 |
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| alaski | mateuszb: but I do like that spec and think it's worthwhile regardless | 22:32 |
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| bauzas | alaski: I think that belmoreira raised the main issues for having a intra-cell scheduler | 22:33 |
| mateuszb_ | alaski: Ok, but it would be great if you leave your feedback on this. I know there is an interest in it apart from Intel | 22:33 |
| bauzas | alaski: to be clear, s/issues/concerns | 22:33 |
| alaski | mateuszb_: okay, I will do that | 22:33 |
| mateuszb_ | thank you | 22:33 |
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| belmoreira | mateuszb_: yes, we are interested on this... in fact we are already using something similar to what you are proposing | 22:34 |
| bauzas | belmoreira: there is one spec for changing how Scheduler would pick hosts based on aggregates that I think you could be interested in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89893/ | 22:34 |
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| mateuszb_ | belmoreira: you mean you created your own filter? | 22:35 |
| alaski | belmoreira and I both listed a desire to have intra-cell scheduling | 22:35 |
| belmoreira | mateuszb_: yes, we have created filters to deal with capabilities... (datacentre, avz, ...) | 22:35 |
| belmoreira | bauzas: thanks, I will have a look | 22:36 |
| bauzas | just to be clear, do all people know we'll change how filters will look at aggregates and instances ? | 22:36 |
| alaski | belmoreira: a question I had for you is if it is a requirement that they be different scheduler endpoints? | 22:36 |
| bauzas | I'm very concerned by any spec creating intra-calls within the filter to Nova DB or so | 22:37 |
| alaski | belmoreira: I'm thinking ahead to when the scheduler is split out, potentially | 22:37 |
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| bauzas | alaski: I think we need to think about how having a scheduler able to either provide a cell or an host | 22:38 |
| belmoreira | alaski: not a requirement... My concern then have a bottleneck, and be more difficult to scale | 22:38 |
| bauzas | alaski: but not having 2 different schedulers | 22:38 |
| bauzas | alaski: or we would reproduce what we have with the current Cellv1 scheduler | 22:39 |
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| bauzas | ie. something totally out of scope of what's happening within the scheduler's world | 22:39 |
| alaski | belmoreira: I completely agree about scale. But I'm wondering if we can have the scheduler be something we query, and it can deal with the scale and separation question separately | 22:39 |
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| belmoreira | For me one of the advantages to have cells is because each cell can be configured in a different way (depending in the use case) including the schedulers | 22:40 |
| alaski | bauzas: agreed | 22:40 |
| bauzas | belmoreira: we know that the Scheduler can't scale because it does in-query calls to DB | 22:40 |
| alaski | bauzas: I've been thinking about it a lot these past few days, and want to write something down about it | 22:40 |
| bauzas | that's really expensive | 22:40 |
| bauzas | alaski: pick me in the loop then | 22:40 |
| bauzas | alaski: we have time to loop back with the scheduler swat team | 22:40 |
| alaski | bauzas: will do. I would love to get some ideas and thoughts from others on this | 22:41 |
| vineetmenon_ | a memcache would be more beneficial here, IMHO. | 22:41 |
| belmoreira | alaski, bauzas: keep me in the loop as well | 22:41 |
| alaski | belmoreira: will do | 22:41 |
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| bauzas | anyway, the idea is to make sure we can do something generic and scalable | 22:42 |
| alaski | We have not received any feedback from HP/Nectar yet, because I didn't reach out to them yet | 22:42 |
| bauzas | eh, isn't it what we want to provide for the scheduler ? :D | 22:42 |
| alaski | So I will do that so they can add to the conversation | 22:42 |
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| alaski | #action alaski Reach out to HP/Nectar for scheduling requirement feedback | 22:43 |
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| alaski | next up... | 22:43 |
| alaski | #topic open discussion | 22:43 |
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| vineetmenon_ | alaski: did you miss database? | 22:44 |
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| vineetmenon_ | i guess that was an agenda as well.. | 22:44 |
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| alaski | vineetmenon_: I actually removed that item since I wasn't sure where to go with that yet | 22:44 |
| alaski | but we can talk about it now | 22:45 |
| bauzas | just to be clear, I think my comments on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-cells-table-analysis depend on the issue of the discussions about the sched requirements | 22:45 |
| vineetmenon_ | aah.. | 22:45 |
| alaski | bauzas: which comments? | 22:46 |
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| bauzas | alaski: eh... damn etherpad, it left different colors for myself | 22:46 |
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| alaski | and should we come to more of a resolution around scheduling requirements before getting too far into table analysis? | 22:47 |
| bauzas | alaski: I was mentioning aggregates and instancegroyps | 22:47 |
| vineetmenon_ | under controversial tab? | 22:47 |
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| belmoreira | for the DB discussion it will be easy if we first reserve a meeting to discuss aggregates, volumes, server groups... | 22:47 |
| bauzas | alaski: they're tied to the scheduler | 22:47 |
| vineetmenon_ | belmireira: +1 | 22:47 |
| bauzas | vineetmenon_: right | 22:47 |
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| bauzas | belmoreira: as I said, I think the scheduling requirement decision seems to be the first thing to do | 22:48 |
| bauzas | belmoreira: because we can't talk about DB segregation without having a clear idea yet on what would be the whole stories for boot and evacuate for example | 22:48 |
| vineetmenon_ | so this part is going to be limbo for a looong time. | 22:49 |
| alaski | bauzas: I think we can talk about it if we limit the scope to basic scheduling | 22:49 |
| alaski | vineetmenon_: some parts of it, maybe | 22:49 |
| bauzas | alaski: well, it depends on if you want to reach feature parity with Nova | 22:49 |
| alaski | but let's start with this: | 22:49 |
| bauzas | alaski: like, live migration in between cells ? | 22:50 |
| alaski | do people want more time to consider the "easy" tables | 22:50 |
| alaski | ? | 22:50 |
| alaski | or is there a general consensus there? | 22:50 |
| bauzas | alaski: well, I pointed out services | 22:50 |
| bauzas | alaski: as it's very related to SG API | 22:51 |
| alaski | okay, that can move to controversial | 22:51 |
| belmoreira | bauzas: I agree with you, but we can also see it in the other way around... for example deciding where aggregates live will influence the scheduler | 22:52 |
| alaski | Can we maybe pick a date, like next wednesday, and say that we're generally okay with what's not in controversial/unsure and start from there? | 22:52 |
| bauzas | belmoreira: aggregates are a beast for only the Scheduler | 22:52 |
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| alaski | then we can start picking apart what's left | 22:52 |
| bauzas | belmoreira: what would be the decision for aggregates, it would require a same level of granularity for the scheduler | 22:53 |
| tonyb | alaski: that plan sounds fair | 22:53 |
| bauzas | alaski: I'm pretty ok with the list except one last thing | 22:53 |
| bauzas | alaski: networks ? | 22:53 |
| bauzas | but time is running fast, dammit. | 22:54 |
| dansmith | this is why we need to decide what to do about nova-network, | 22:54 |
| dansmith | because if n-net goes away soon, so does networks | 22:54 |
| bauzas | +1 | 22:54 |
| bauzas | and what would be the network topology for cells ? | 22:54 |
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| bauzas | belmoreira: do you have 1 to N subnets per cells ? | 22:55 |
| bauzas | belmoreira: or is it something global ? | 22:55 |
| dansmith | it'll depend | 22:55 |
| dansmith | on the deployer | 22:55 |
| dansmith | there are people out there running everything on one L2, one cell per subnet, etc | 22:55 |
| belmoreira | bauzas: each cell has different subnets | 22:55 |
| bauzas | dansmith: agreed, that's why Neutron exists | 22:55 |
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| vineetmenon_ | what about subnet spread across multiple cells? | 22:56 |
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| bauzas | anyway, we have 4 mins left :( | 22:56 |
| vineetmenon_ | and each cell constisting multiple subnets as well? | 22:56 |
| bauzas | dansmith: I don't remember anything about networks in the manifesto, will review the patch with that in mind | 22:57 |
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| bauzas | dansmith: we need to be explicit on that I guess | 22:57 |
| alaski | so for now it seems like network falls under controversial, and we can devote some time to it later | 22:57 |
| alaski | *networks | 22:57 |
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| alaski | let's try to get to the list of non controversial things for now | 22:58 |
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| alaski | so if there's a concern on a table move it to the unsure/controversial list | 22:58 |
| bauzas | sounds good, with a deadline set to Wed hten ? | 22:59 |
| bauzas | *then | 22:59 |
| alaski | there's a lot to try to tackle in this effort, we're not going to get it all at once | 22:59 |
| alaski | bauzas: yes, since I didn't hear any complaints | 22:59 |
| bauzas | alaski: cool | 22:59 |
| alaski | #action review table split so we can claim consensus by next wednesday | 22:59 |
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| alaski | my final item was that I will not be around to run the meeting on the 24th or 31st | 23:00 |
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| alaski | and it's likely others won't be around either | 23:00 |
| alaski | so I am going to suggest we skip those weeks | 23:00 |
| bauzas | 31st seems to be hard to follow :) | 23:00 |
| alaski | but we can make that decision later, just throwing it out there | 23:01 |
| tonyb | alaski: I'd say cancel those meetings. | 23:01 |
| belmoreira | alaski: +1 | 23:01 |
| bauzas | in particular as it's midnight now | 23:01 |
| alaski | coll | 23:01 |
| alaski | cool | 23:01 |
| belmoreira | bauzas: :) | 23:01 |
| alaski | thanks all! | 23:01 |
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| alaski | #endmeeting | 23:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 10 23:01:39 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2014/nova_cells.2014-12-10-22.00.html | 23:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2014/nova_cells.2014-12-10-22.00.txt | 23:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2014/nova_cells.2014-12-10-22.00.log.html | 23:01 |
| tonyb | See you all next year ;P | 23:01 |
| alaski | bauzas: an openstack meeting is a great way to ring in the new year :) | 23:01 |
| vineetmenon_ | bye.. ciao.. | 23:01 |
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