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| flaper87 | #startmeeting Zaqar | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 15 15:01:04 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flaper87. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zaqar' | 15:01 |
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| flaper87 | #topic Roll Call | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 15:01 | |
| flaper87 | (o/ | 15:01 |
| vkmc | \o) | 15:01 |
| dynarro | o/ | 15:01 |
| flaper87 | I guess kgriffs will join eventually | 15:02 |
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| flaper87 | #topic Agenda | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 15:02 | |
| flaper87 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Zaqar#Agenda | 15:02 |
| flaper87 | #topic Review remaining specs | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review remaining specs (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 15:02 | |
| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/zaqar-specs,n,z | 15:02 |
| flaper87 | 2 specs for today | 15:02 |
| flaper87 | The first one is os-profile | 15:02 |
| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135612/6/specs/kilo/osprofiler.rst,cm | 15:03 |
| flaper87 | zhiyan: ^ | 15:03 |
| flaper87 | I think I'm good with this spec | 15:03 |
| zhiyan | flaper87: sounds great! | 15:03 |
| flaper87 | based on the previous comments, it looks like kgriffs is good as well | 15:03 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: any concerns ? | 15:04 |
| flaper87 | zhiyan: thanks for working on this | 15:04 |
| vkmc | flaper87, not at all | 15:04 |
| vkmc | I'm good with it and I think its a great adition | 15:04 |
| flaper87 | kk | 15:05 |
| vkmc | in fact, zhiyan already submitted some changes, its ready to review | 15:05 |
| zhiyan | flaper87: vkmc thanks for review and input. and btw, the main change is ready to review, when/if you ok, any inputs are welcome . | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | #agreed Merge OsProfile spec | 15:05 |
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| flaper87 | I think we should hold it back until k-2, though | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | we can start reviewing right away | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | but we could merge it in k-2 | 15:05 |
| zhiyan | i'm ok | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | k-1 is in 2 days | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | awesome | 15:05 |
| zhiyan | indeed, a little limited. | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | #agreed merge osprofile changes in k-2 | 15:06 |
| vkmc | +1 | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | +2A | 15:06 |
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| zhiyan | (sorry for delay) | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | zhiyan: no worries at all | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | next in line | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134248/ | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | yes yes, I know it's red and I've a -1 | 15:06 |
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| vkmc | lol | 15:07 |
| flaper87 | However, now that exploreshaifali_'s patch has landed, I thikn it'll be very simple to remove sqlalchemy from the data plane | 15:07 |
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| zhiyan | thanks for all your support :D, glade to do some worth thing in zaqar. | 15:07 |
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| flaper87 | thoughts? concerns? I'll update the patch and we can get that done in k-2 as well | 15:07 |
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| flaper87 | zhiyan: and I'm glad we have you on board, we're good at giving people things to do so, don't hesitate to ask | 15:08 |
| flaper87 | :D | 15:08 |
| vkmc | zhiyan, thanks to work on it! | 15:08 |
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| zhiyan | flaper87: vkmc i'm def will, sure! | 15:08 |
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| flaper87 | vkmc: concerns on that sqla thing ? | 15:08 |
| vkmc | s/to work/for working | 15:08 |
| vkmc | flaper87, nope, I've raised my concerns last time we discussed about it | 15:09 |
| vkmc | regarding sqlalchemy used for testing | 15:09 |
| flaper87 | ok, then I'll update this spec for realz this time | 15:09 |
| flaper87 | and get that done | 15:09 |
| vkmc | k | 15:09 |
| flaper87 | #topic K1 status | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "K1 status (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 15:09 | |
| flaper87 | #link https://launchpad.net/zaqar/+milestone/kilo-1 | 15:09 |
| vkmc | I remember sriram shared with us a neat tool to mock Mongo for tests... so +1 to sqlalchemy removal | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | so, I'll move the sqla one to k-2 | 15:10 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: yeah, I've it in one of the 10k tabs I have | 15:10 |
| vkmc | lol | 15:10 |
| vkmc | cool | 15:10 |
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| flaper87 | vkmc: updates on your bp ? | 15:11 |
| flaper87 | you have 2 | 15:11 |
| vkmc | flaper87, 3* | 15:11 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: not for k-1 | 15:11 |
| flaper87 | :P | 15:11 |
| flaper87 | I just see 2 | 15:11 |
| vkmc | link? | 15:11 |
| flaper87 | #link https://launchpad.net/zaqar/+milestone/kilo-1 | 15:12 |
| vkmc | ok, the permanent transport one is missing | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | also, there are 2 bugs in progress, can we provide reviews there? | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: yes, I removed it :P | 15:12 |
| vkmc | so.. regarding those two bp I have for k-1 | 15:12 |
| flaper87 | shoot | 15:13 |
| flaper87 | btw, this meeting will be really short | 15:13 |
| flaper87 | I could make it last the whole hour talking random things but well... | 15:13 |
| flaper87 | :P | 15:13 |
| vkmc | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zaqar/+spec/non-rest-wire-protocol | 15:13 |
| vkmc | that one... the wiki has been updated but I think it requires some extra polishing and making sure its nothing missing | 15:13 |
| vkmc | I'll update the whiteboard with the respective link | 15:14 |
| vkmc | I think we can close it today | 15:14 |
| flaper87 | AWESOME! | 15:14 |
| * flaper87 gives vkmc 2 gummy bears | 15:14 | |
| vkmc | and | 15:14 |
| vkmc | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zaqar/+spec/cross-transport-api-spec | 15:14 |
| flaper87 | whatch it, I'll take them back if you say something bad | 15:15 |
| vkmc | some patches related to that one is waiting for review | 15:15 |
| flaper87 | >.> | 15:15 |
| * vkmc takes the gummybears and run away | 15:15 | |
| flaper87 | ok, I think we can move this one to k-2 as well | 15:15 |
| flaper87 | AFAICT, those patches don't cover it all | 15:15 |
| flaper87 | right? | 15:15 |
| vkmc | sure... there is still some work to do | 15:15 |
| flaper87 | ok | 15:15 |
| vkmc | nope, we are missing many endpoints | 15:15 |
| vkmc | it shouldn't take much | 15:15 |
| vkmc | but I also have to add the tests | 15:15 |
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| flaper87 | ok, I'm not sure about moving the storage capabilities one | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | bah, who am I kidding? I'll move it | 15:16 |
| flaper87 | damn, just 1 bp done and a bunch of bugs | 15:16 |
| vkmc | talking about moving blueprints | 15:16 |
| vkmc | move https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zaqar/+spec/zaqar-rally-integration to k-1 | 15:16 |
| vkmc | that is done | 15:16 |
| vkmc | I'll update the whiteboard with the last changes but we can say that we have been integrated with Rally | 15:17 |
| flaper87 | ok, done | 15:17 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: ok, please, mark the other one as implemented as soon as you update the wiki | 15:18 |
| flaper87 | also, please, provide reviews for the bugs in progress | 15:18 |
| vkmc | flaper87, sure thing, I have been reviewing this morning | 15:18 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: awesome | 15:18 |
| flaper87 | thank you, a lot! | 15:19 |
| flaper87 | ok, I think that's all I have | 15:19 |
| flaper87 | if there's anything urgent that should bemerged before k-1, let me know | 15:19 |
| vkmc | flaper87, notifications is for k-2? | 15:19 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: yeah | 15:19 |
| flaper87 | k-2 will be very busy | 15:19 |
| vkmc | yeah | 15:19 |
| vkmc | specs reviewing took us a lot of time | 15:19 |
| flaper87 | yup :/ | 15:19 |
| * vkmc sighs | 15:20 | |
| vkmc | anyhow | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | anyway, we're not in a bad shape, we still have time to catch up | 15:20 |
| vkmc | of course | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | and we have kgriffs to blame | 15:20 |
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| flaper87 | ok, that's it | 15:20 |
| vkmc | oh | 15:20 |
| vkmc | wait | 15:20 |
| flaper87 | #topic Open Discussion | 15:20 |
| vkmc | queues removal | 15:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 15:20 | |
| flaper87 | #topic Queues Removal | 15:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Queues Removal (Meeting topic: Zaqar)" | 15:20 | |
| flaper87 | shoot | 15:20 |
| vkmc | we haven't received enough feedback from the community to do that change | 15:21 |
| vkmc | and we have to define if that is happening or not | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | nope, I think it'll be on us to decide | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | yeah, here's what I've been thinking | 15:21 |
| vkmc | I think its an important change | 15:21 |
| vkmc | can we have a meeting with tc? I don't know if that is something we can do | 15:21 |
| flaper87 | Lets re-review the spec, we need to get flwang's thoughts on it w.r.t notifications | 15:22 |
| flaper87 | we don't need the TC to chime in here | 15:22 |
| flaper87 | we need a meeting with them - which I'm working on - but not for this | 15:22 |
| vkmc | ok | 15:22 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: please, take another look to that spec | 15:23 |
| vkmc | exploreshaifali_, comments on this? you bring that up in -zaqar | 15:23 |
| vkmc | flaper87, will do so | 15:23 |
| flaper87 | I'll ask flwang too | 15:23 |
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| exploreshaifali_ | vkmc: I don't know exactly why we need to remove queues | 15:24 |
| exploreshaifali_ | may be you people have resons for that | 15:24 |
| vkmc | long story | 15:24 |
| flaper87 | exploreshaifali_: have you read the spec ? | 15:24 |
| flaper87 | (not that it explains everything, I'm just curious) | 15:24 |
| exploreshaifali_ | flaper87: no | 15:24 |
| flaper87 | oh, wait. | 15:24 |
| exploreshaifali_ | flaper87: which one? | 15:24 |
| flaper87 | exploreshaifali_: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134015/ | 15:25 |
| exploreshaifali_ | flaper87: kk I will explore it first :) | 15:25 |
| flaper87 | exploreshaifali_: and http://blog.flaper87.com/post/people-dont-like-to-queue-up/ | 15:25 |
| flaper87 | exploreshaifali_: let me know if that helps and please, let me know if neither of them do | 15:25 |
| flaper87 | or if the idea sounds dumb | 15:25 |
| exploreshaifali_ | flaper87: sure :) | 15:26 |
| flaper87 | awesome | 15:26 |
| exploreshaifali_ | flaper87: thanks | 15:26 |
| flaper87 | vkmc: exploreshaifali_ anything else? | 15:26 |
| vkmc | flaper87, nope :) | 15:26 |
| exploreshaifali_ | no | 15:26 |
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| flaper87 | ok | 15:27 |
| flaper87 | tty next week then! | 15:27 |
| flaper87 | thank you all for your contributions | 15:27 |
| flaper87 | #endmeeting | 15:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:27 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 15 15:27:49 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2014/zaqar.2014-12-15-15.01.html | 15:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2014/zaqar.2014-12-15-15.01.txt | 15:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2014/zaqar.2014-12-15-15.01.log.html | 15:27 |
| vkmc | thanks guys! | 15:27 |
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| krotscheck | #startmeeting Storyboard | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 15 16:03:05 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Storyboard)" | 16:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 16:03 |
| krotscheck | Agenda: | 16:03 |
| krotscheck | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard#Agenda | 16:03 |
| NikitaKonovalov | hi | 16:03 |
| krotscheck | hey hey! | 16:03 |
| krotscheck | #topic Actions from Last Week | 16:03 |
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| krotscheck | I pestered fungi some, and am working on a patch to add the new server. | 16:04 |
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| krotscheck | rcarrilocruz appears to be gone at the moment? | 16:05 |
| * fungi was not sufficiently pestered | 16:05 | |
| fungi | pester harder ;) | 16:05 |
| krotscheck | fungi: I was busy writing cron things :-P | 16:05 |
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| fungi | touché | 16:05 |
| krotscheck | #action krotscheck: Write a cron thing to pester fungi | 16:05 |
| krotscheck | My patch is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140466/ | 16:05 |
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| krotscheck | I forgot to drop a line to both persia and rayna, my bad. | 16:06 |
| krotscheck | Ugh | 16:06 |
| krotscheck | #topic User Feedback: | 16:06 |
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| krotscheck | Anyone get any feedback from users? | 16:06 |
| CTtpollard | krotscheck, I'll ping persia | 16:06 |
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| krotscheck | CTtpollard: Thanks. He said he’d do doc work on storyboard, but with no representation at the meeetings we can’t really get a sense of what he’s doing. | 16:07 |
| krotscheck | A user feedback note from rcarrilocruz- we really need to add some documentation on how the deferred procesing engine works. | 16:07 |
| krotscheck | #action krotscheck document deferred processing engine. | 16:07 |
| krotscheck | Any other user feedback? | 16:08 |
| CTtpollard | _o_ | 16:08 |
| krotscheck | kk | 16:09 |
| krotscheck | #topic Urgent items. | 16:09 |
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| krotscheck | Is anything grossly broken at the moment? | 16:09 |
| NikitaKonovalov | nothing that I've seen | 16:09 |
| rcarrillocruz | working ok for me so far | 16:10 |
| krotscheck | kk | 16:10 |
| ttx | o/ | 16:10 |
| krotscheck | #topic Discussion Topics: Branch support | 16:10 |
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| ttx | sorry for being late, world on fire | 16:10 |
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| * krotscheck hands ttx a fire extinguisher | 16:12 | |
| krotscheck | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139613/ | 16:12 |
| * krotscheck has not yet read that | 16:12 | |
| * krotscheck feels bad about that. | 16:12 | |
| yolanda | i added some comments | 16:12 |
| ttx | waiting for a bit more of feedback before pushing a rev2 | 16:13 |
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| krotscheck | Ok, me will make it a point to comment today. | 16:14 |
| ttx | especially need to know if everyone prefers calling branches branches | 16:14 |
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| krotscheck | jedimike isn’t here, so we can’t talk paging either. | 16:14 |
| yolanda | calling him | 16:14 |
| ttx | Called them "areas" in that draft to make them more generic and less code-oriented, but "branches" is probably also valid | 16:14 |
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| * krotscheck doesn’t really have enough context yet. | 16:15 | |
| jedimike | o/ | 16:15 |
| krotscheck | Hey there! | 16:15 |
| rcarrillocruz | tbh, i think branches make it more understandable , at least to me | 16:15 |
| * rcarrillocruz just reading quick the spec now... | 16:15 | |
| krotscheck | Ok, 5 minute break while everyone reads the spec, let’s actually discuss this thing. | 16:15 |
| CTtpollard | I think the cross over to none code related work is the hardest to resolve | 16:16 |
| * SergeyLukjanov lurking | 16:17 | |
| yolanda | MikeHeald, that's the well written spec i've seen in long time :) | 16:18 |
| rcarrillocruz | i assume this will need some schema change, what about schema migration? | 16:18 |
| krotscheck | Ok, so ++ on the project-can-have-a-repo thing. | 16:18 |
| rcarrillocruz | not sure if we could put something in the spec, or leave it for later on the change implementing it... | 16:18 |
| NikitaKonovalov | rcarrillocruz: That looks like a typical schema + data migration | 16:19 |
| krotscheck | I prefere branches too, though I’m a little concerned that it’s a word too closely tied to git? | 16:19 |
| NikitaKonovalov | we've done that a few times in StoryBoard | 16:19 |
| yolanda | +1 for branches | 16:19 |
| NikitaKonovalov | +1 for calling branches branches | 16:20 |
| ttx | a "branch of work" is clear enough | 16:20 |
| ttx | even for non-git things | 16:20 |
| krotscheck | +1 for calling branches “ponies" | 16:20 |
| ttx | will fix in rev2 | 16:20 |
| CTtpollard | +1 for branch -1 for ponies | 16:20 |
| * krotscheck doesn’t actually want to call them ponies. | 16:20 | |
| krotscheck | :D | 16:20 |
| ttx | I thought changesets would be ponies | 16:20 |
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| ttx | ponies in the sky with branches | 16:21 |
| krotscheck | Ok, so consensus on actually using VCS terms to describe the VCS integration. | 16:21 |
| krotscheck | ttx wins | 16:21 |
| krotscheck | madness. | 16:21 |
| * krotscheck may have some real comments on the data table, but other than that he thinks this works. | 16:22 | |
| krotscheck | Is everyone still reading, or are we ready to move on? | 16:23 |
| * gothicmindfood is just wondering what unicorns are, then | 16:23 | |
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| rcarrillocruz | we can move on | 16:23 |
| jeblair | i'm fine with storing the git repo explicitly... | 16:24 |
| jeblair | however i'm not convinced at the moment we should do anything other than what we're doing with the project names currently | 16:24 |
| krotscheck | I’m just wondering if it should be a different table rather than a column in the projects table. | 16:24 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: so that it could be 1-many? | 16:25 |
| jeblair | that sounds frightening... | 16:25 |
| ttx | I hate losing so much horizontal space. I would display "storyboard" instead of "openstack-infra/storyboard" on task lists. We can have the git repo appear on hovering | 16:25 |
| NikitaKonovalov | do we need multiple repos for one project? | 16:25 |
| ttx | NikitaKonovalov: no | 16:25 |
| ttx | that's what projectgroups are for | 16:25 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: Eeeh… perhaps? I’m still pondering it. Really I’m less of a fan of having empty unused fields in projects that don’t need a repo | 16:25 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: i think that's what NULL is there for :) | 16:26 |
| NikitaKonovalov | krotscheck: the projects table isn't big now, so the field should not make much harm to it | 16:26 |
| krotscheck | jeblair: But it’s inefficient! [/german] | 16:27 |
| jeblair | honestly, field in projects table with NULL is the best normalized form for this data i think, since it's either a single value or not present | 16:27 |
| * krotscheck doesn’t really have a valid argument | 16:27 | |
| jedimike | jeblair, +1 | 16:27 |
| jeblair | ttx: it's actually really a pita that launchpad project names don't match everything else... i'd like to avoid reinventing that pain... | 16:28 |
| jeblair | ttx: the explicit field for git repo however, may be a mitigating factor (since we don't have that with lp) | 16:29 |
| fungi | i saw getting rid of that mismatch as one of the up-sides to moving to sb | 16:29 |
| ttx | jeblair: right, we basically store the missing indirection directly in the tool | 16:29 |
| ttx | rather than maintain it elsewhere, which is where the pain lies | 16:29 |
| jeblair | ttx: i think i'd like to see what that looks like before we consider altering the universal names....however... | 16:29 |
| NikitaKonovalov | btw, are the repo urls stored anywhere in infra-config? | 16:29 |
| krotscheck | I think I agree with ttx on this one. When we talk about storyboard amongst ourselves, we say: “Storyboard”. We don’t say “openstack infra slash storyboard" | 16:30 |
| fungi | NikitaKonovalov: the components are implied from the full project names in openstack-infra/project-config:gerrit/projects.yaml | 16:30 |
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| jeblair | ttx: i still think we should allow storyboard to do what we are doing right now (openstack/foo) because it should be easy for people to create a system that supports multi-tenancy in the way that github and even git itself natively support | 16:30 |
| fungi | NikitaKonovalov: but no, we don't have a file containing them all in actual url form | 16:31 |
| fungi | NikitaKonovalov: so far that file assumes a 1:1 correspondence between project name and git repo url | 16:31 |
| ttx | jeblair: But I like the diea that the git repo is not the main characteristic of a project. For example, calling "security advisory" the work aroudn a security advisory, with openstack/ossa being the associated git repo | 16:31 |
| jeblair | so i don't think we should ever go as far as to say that '/' is not allowed in the name. and for the moment, i think we should keep it in our names until we are certain it will not cause problems for us. | 16:31 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | then it looks like Storyboard is going to become a primary source for git repos | 16:31 |
| jeblair | ttx: yes, i think it's a good idea | 16:32 |
| ttx | jeblair: but frankly I hate "openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient" as a project naùe | 16:32 |
| ttx | +m | 16:32 |
| jeblair | ttx: also, i would like to get rid of the openstack/ by moving everything into openstack/. ;) | 16:32 |
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| jeblair | but that's a different meeting | 16:33 |
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| ttx | jeblair: that would mitigate it. As would the UI writing the prefix in smaller font | 16:33 |
| ttx | it's just wasting valuable space with non-information | 16:33 |
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| jeblair | well, potentially less valuable information depending on what you are doing, but i see your point. | 16:34 |
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| ttx | but then, the spec is not about that. It proposes a model that opens up more possibilities | 16:34 |
| krotscheck | Does anyone disagree with having the full git repo be a primary field on the projects table? | 16:34 |
| ttx | so that bridge can be burnt when we... err wait | 16:34 |
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| jeblair | ttx: ++ more possibilities. let's explore how this will affect integration, etc, and burn bridges later :) | 16:35 |
| NikitaKonovalov | krotscheck: what do you mean by primary? | 16:35 |
| krotscheck | It doesn’t sound like it. Deciding how to name things after we get the repo path in can be left to the management team. | 16:36 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: It’s a new column in the projects table. | 16:36 |
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| CTtpollard | I think it's good to keep the repo as a primary field, for example some work my be on an in house git server and some might be on a public server | 16:36 |
| CTtpollard | this might not apply to Openstack however | 16:37 |
| krotscheck | CTtpollard: Interesting point. | 16:37 |
| CTtpollard | but as was mentioned, maybe when you hover over a project name it could give you the repo url | 16:38 |
| * krotscheck wonders at the federation implications of that. | 16:38 | |
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| CTtpollard | I've witnessed example for instance when somebody has gone routing through private git servers, to be then told later it was on github for instance | 16:39 |
| krotscheck | Either way, I feel like the “what we name it” discussion is something that infra should do in its own meeting, as adding a repo column to projects neither harms them, and does present them with interesting new options. | 16:40 |
| CTtpollard | ^ +1 | 16:40 |
| krotscheck | How someone uses a field is orthogonal to providing it. | 16:40 |
| krotscheck | Everyone ready to move on? I want to give jedimike the floor | 16:41 |
| krotscheck | #topic Discussion: Paging (jedimike) | 16:41 |
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| jedimike | let me just get the review url ready... | 16:41 |
| jedimike | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139638/ | 16:41 |
| jedimike | ok, first, thanks for everyone's comments and reviews | 16:41 |
| jedimike | I've updated the spec today with an alternate snapshottig mechanism which ttx reminded me about | 16:42 |
| jedimike | it's much lighter on the server and works much better with larger result sets, with a slight comprimse about how new data is shown. I've detailed it all in today's patch set | 16:42 |
| jedimike | so, open to comments, questions :) | 16:43 |
| krotscheck | jedimike: How do you want to proceed, do you want to bring up a specific thing for open discussion right now, or just defer to the spec? | 16:44 |
| yolanda | spec looks good to me on the server side, i feel a bit strange how it works on the client side but i think it's a good compromise | 16:44 |
| jedimike | I'll defer to the spec, but i'll just give the big picture view on what the expanding snapshot mechanism does | 16:45 |
| jedimike | it's basically a way of guaranteeing that what you've *already seen* will not change, and when you want more pages, they'll be generated and snapshotted | 16:45 |
| jedimike | so there's a comment in the spec about a slight ordering anomaly that might occur | 16:46 |
| jedimike | but I think it's a decent compromise | 16:46 |
| jedimike | and I'd quite like to see us produce a pagination lib that other projects can reuse too | 16:47 |
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| krotscheck | Well, that begs the question on what other pagination libs are available already :) | 16:47 |
| krotscheck | But we’ll leave that to the implementor | 16:47 |
| jeblair | jedimike: you may want to start talking to the oslo folks about that | 16:47 |
| jedimike | jeblair, yes, I was a little bewildered about how horizon is doing pagination in the future too, it seemed a little strange | 16:48 |
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| * krotscheck is going to move us to ongoing work | 16:48 | |
| krotscheck | In reverse alphabetical order! | 16:48 |
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| krotscheck | #topic Ongoing Work (yolanda) | 16:48 |
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| krotscheck | You were on call last week, yes? | 16:48 |
| yolanda | krotscheck, yes, no much time | 16:49 |
| yolanda | i added some tests to the grouping tasks today | 16:49 |
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| krotscheck | You had time to do code reviews, that’s good :) | 16:49 |
| yolanda | and i started to work on angular-cache for preferences | 16:49 |
| yolanda | but past week was quite busy for me | 16:49 |
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| yolanda | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139100/ | 16:50 |
| yolanda | that needs review ^ | 16:50 |
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| krotscheck | Cool! | 16:51 |
| krotscheck | #topic Ongoing Work (NikitaKonovalov) | 16:51 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | so SDK is in progress | 16:51 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | rather slow though | 16:51 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I have a change on review with base stuff | 16:51 |
| NikitaKonovalov | so if everyone likes the approach I use there, I can add support for endpoints in a few changes after it | 16:52 |
| NikitaKonovalov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138092/6 | 16:52 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | right now it has /users endpoint and user_preferences subresource | 16:53 |
| krotscheck | Alright, we’ll get t reviewing that :) | 16:54 |
| krotscheck | #topic Ongoing Work (jedimike() | 16:54 |
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| krotscheck | Go go :) | 16:54 |
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| jedimike | sorry, this week has been quite busy and I've mainly been reviewing and working on specs | 16:54 |
| krotscheck | We appreciate it :) | 16:55 |
| krotscheck | #topic Ongoing Work (krotscheck) | 16:55 |
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| krotscheck | I wrote cron things! | 16:55 |
| krotscheck | With TONS OF TESTS | 16:55 |
| krotscheck | Which are now breaking. | 16:55 |
| rcarrillocruz | heh | 16:55 |
| * krotscheck sighs | 16:55 | |
| jedimike | woohoo! | 16:55 |
| jeblair | that's how you know they're tests | 16:55 |
| CTtpollard | :P | 16:55 |
| krotscheck | Well, for a time there I had a test that was breaking because of the speed of execution of the script could create an assertion race condition | 16:56 |
| krotscheck | But hey. | 16:56 |
| krotscheck | It works | 16:56 |
| yolanda | krotscheck, you should end everything with self.assertTrue(True) | 16:56 |
| krotscheck | Sometimes I end it with self.assertTrue(False) :) | 16:56 |
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| krotscheck | Anyway, I’m back on email full bore now, and spent most of friday reading all the various email header RFC's. | 16:57 |
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| krotscheck | I do have some questions on header rfc’s and will ping jeblair on that. | 16:57 |
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| krotscheck | #topic Ongoing Work (rcarrillocruz) | 16:57 |
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| rcarrillocruz | been off last week on vaca, and looked on things this weekend | 16:58 |
| rcarrillocruz | i'm leaning towards gevent-socketio for the websocket streaming api | 16:58 |
| rcarrillocruz | amongst the work items, that's the task i'm focusing on | 16:58 |
| krotscheck | Alrightey. | 16:58 |
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| rcarrillocruz | hoping to have some prototype by the end of the week | 16:59 |
| krotscheck | rcarrillocruz: Do you want discussion time next week to go over your findings? | 16:59 |
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| rcarrillocruz | sure, that'd be good | 16:59 |
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| krotscheck | Cool. | 17:00 |
| krotscheck | And with that, we’re out of time. | 17:00 |
| krotscheck | Thanks everyone! | 17:00 |
| krotscheck | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| rcarrillocruz | thx folks | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 15 17:00:30 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-12-15-16.03.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-12-15-16.03.txt | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | thank you krotscheck :) | 17:00 |
| yolanda | bye! | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2014/storyboard.2014-12-15-16.03.log.html | 17:00 |
| rcarrillocruz | laterz | 17:00 |
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| NobodyCam | morning all | 17:01 |
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| devananda | hi folks! who's here for Ironic? | 17:01 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 17:01 |
| wanyen | good morning! | 17:01 |
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| NobodyCam | o/ | 17:01 |
| mjturek | hey! \o | 17:01 |
| ChuckC | o/ | 17:01 |
| Shrews | \o | 17:01 |
| adam_g | o/ | 17:01 |
| naohirot | o/ | 17:01 |
| yuriyz | o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | \o | 17:01 |
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| JayF | o/ | 17:01 |
| wanyen | o/ | 17:01 |
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| sambetts | \o | 17:01 |
| devananda | #startmeeting ironic | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 15 17:01:52 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:01 |
| rloo | o/ | 17:01 |
| Nisha | o/ | 17:02 |
| devananda | g'morning / afternoon / evening / middle of the night to everyone :) | 17:02 |
| naohirot | good morning | 17:02 |
| devananda | #topic announcements | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:02 | |
| clif_h | o/ | 17:02 |
| NobodyCam | I added a couple of items to the agenda late (just this morning) | 17:02 |
| devananda | one hopefully quick announcement | 17:03 |
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| GheRivero | o/ | 17:03 |
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| devananda | I'm working on getting details for the midcycle, like hotel and what not, and will distribute that once I have it | 17:03 |
| devananda | along with an eventbrite signup thing | 17:03 |
| NobodyCam | awesome :) | 17:03 |
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| lucasagomes | nice one | 17:04 |
| devananda | grenoble seems farther away from airports than I realized | 17:04 |
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| devananda | but it's a nice flat city with good local transportation | 17:04 |
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| jroll | good opportunity to rent a fast car and drive through the back country :) | 17:04 |
| devananda | jroll: yup | 17:04 |
| NobodyCam | lol | 17:04 |
| devananda | if that's your thing :) | 17:04 |
| devananda | that's it for me | 17:05 |
| NobodyCam | can I bring my own car? | 17:05 |
| devananda | oh, also, welcome back to lucasagomes :) | 17:05 |
| jroll | sounds expensive :P | 17:05 |
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| devananda | NobodyCam, lucasagomes - any announcements? | 17:05 |
| lucasagomes | o/ thanks, it's good to be back | 17:05 |
| lucasagomes | not really I'm still catching up with evrything I missed last week | 17:06 |
| devananda | k | 17:06 |
| devananda | #topic status board | 17:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "status board (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:06 | |
| NobodyCam | not from me this time | 17:06 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: woops. jumped early there, sorry | 17:06 |
| devananda | following our new approach to weekly statuses, they are posted on the white board | 17:06 |
| devananda | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:06 |
| devananda | let's take a minute to review, then raise any questions / concerns if we have them | 17:07 |
| devananda | (anyone can do that) | 17:07 |
| NobodyCam | Thanks to every for the new status update format... is supper great to read them over the weekend and digest slowly | 17:07 |
| NobodyCam | everyone* | 17:07 |
| jroll | iLO - "Setting up 3rd-party CI" \o/ | 17:08 |
| devananda | wanyen: ooh - third party CI will be great | 17:08 |
| GheRivero | sorry for some late additions, but oslo weekly meeting just finished :) | 17:08 |
| devananda | wanyen: have you been in contact with anteaya about that? | 17:08 |
| rloo | not sure what the HI bugs are, but do we need to try to get any in for kilo-1? | 17:08 |
| devananda | wanyen: I believe she coordinates the third-party-ci weekly meetings | 17:08 |
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| devananda | I don't see dtantsur here? | 17:08 |
| lucasagomes | I think he's afk (judging by his nickname) | 17:09 |
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| wanyen | deva, no. we requested an account already. | 17:09 |
| wanyen | deva, okay. we will have someone attend the CI meeting | 17:09 |
| naohirot | devananda: I didn't see the status report email in openstack-dev last week, are we going to send the status to the maillist this week? | 17:09 |
| devananda | jroll: ^ | 17:10 |
| anteaya | wanyen: you don't request an account anymore it is self-serve | 17:10 |
| jroll | oops | 17:10 |
| jroll | naohirot: devananda: last week ended at 10pm for me, I completely forgot | 17:10 |
| naohirot | jroll: yes, are we? | 17:10 |
| jroll | yes | 17:10 |
| anteaya | wanyen: be sure to read this entire page: http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html#creating-a-service-account | 17:10 |
| naohirot | jroll: Okay | 17:10 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, seems all the high bugs are in progress/fixed now | 17:10 |
| wanyen | anteaya, tx | 17:10 |
| anteaya | wanyen: welcome, I'll chat more in a third party meeting with you | 17:11 |
| lucasagomes | there's one assigned to be that I don't think it's high priority as well (will reverify and change it accordingly) | 17:11 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: thx | 17:11 |
| devananda | naohirot, lintan: I noticed that the AMT driver proposal switched to using wsman instead of amttools | 17:11 |
| Guest59984 | yes | 17:11 |
| Guest59984 | terday | 17:11 |
| naohirot | devananda: yes | 17:11 |
| Guest59984 | to support amt better | 17:12 |
| devananda | naohirot: ack. just pointing it out here as I think that's something that other folks who were waiting for the AMT driver might want to know | 17:12 |
| naohirot | devananda: I noticed that lintan is updating the spec. | 17:12 |
| jroll | Guest59984: who are you? :P | 17:12 |
| Guest59984 | i am lintan | 17:13 |
| jroll | ok | 17:13 |
| devananda | 2 minutes before we move on | 17:13 |
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| jroll | Guest59984: you can fix your nickname with /nick lintan_ | 17:13 |
| jroll | since lintan is in use | 17:13 |
| naohirot | devananda: I'm going to refer to AMT in order to know how to implement irmc. | 17:14 |
| devananda | rloo: some of those "high" bugs don't seem appropriately triaged to me. they've been open and marked "high" for months ... | 17:14 |
| devananda | rloo: perhaps it's time for us to have a bug-day again and just go through the list? | 17:14 |
| NobodyCam | oh ++ | 17:15 |
| NobodyCam | good to do somehting like that before the holiday break | 17:15 |
| rloo | devananda: yeah, but maybe next week? am wondering if we should spend this week trying to get patches in and maybe get specs moving along... | 17:15 |
| devananda | ok, let's talk about that in open discussion | 17:15 |
| devananda | I think it'd be great, but yea, when is a good question | 17:15 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, +1 yeah there's one associated to me (the vendor passthru stuff) I just marked it as medium | 17:15 |
| lucasagomes | cause def it wasn't high | 17:16 |
| devananda | thanks all, let's move on | 17:16 |
| jroll | bugday++ | 17:16 |
| devananda | #topic kilo-1 progress | 17:16 |
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| devananda | #link https://launchpad.net/ironic/+milestone/kilo-1 | 17:16 |
| devananda | rloo: ohhai - it's like you planned that ;) | 17:16 |
| rloo | honestly, I didn't... | 17:17 |
| devananda | so, it's probablyworth announcing for folks | 17:17 |
| devananda | #info last week we landed the new state machine spec | 17:17 |
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| devananda | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/ironic-specs/specs/kilo/new-ironic-state-machine.html | 17:17 |
| devananda | I've marked it as "Informational" in launchpad | 17:17 |
| devananda | because there is not a specific single body of code that's going to implement this | 17:18 |
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| * lucasagomes will review the patches on gerrit asap | 17:18 | |
| devananda | it represents the direction we all agree the project is headed, and *many* individual specs are going to be needed to get there | 17:18 |
| devananda | as we implement different aspects of the state machine | 17:18 |
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| devananda | since we actually dont have *any* formally modelleled state machine today, I've been implementing one | 17:18 |
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| devananda | I see NobodyCam put those links in the agenda in the next section -- so let's talk about that there | 17:19 |
| devananda | for now, i'm just calling it out as "a big thing that was on our kilo-1 priority list" | 17:19 |
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| devananda | there are only 3 other blueprints targeted to kilo-1 | 17:19 |
| devananda | so, if you own one of those, please speak up with the status now :) | 17:19 |
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| NobodyCam | does the xml bug need to land for -1? | 17:20 |
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| jroll | lucasagomes: you still planning on doing pxe/configdrive stuff? | 17:20 |
| devananda | we'll be tagging the k1 milestone as soon as that page is all "implemented" -- whether things land, or get removed from the page | 17:20 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, I will! for sure | 17:20 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, I'm finishing up the root device thing and I will jump on that | 17:20 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: cool, I wonder if we should assign that blueprint to you then :) | 17:20 |
| lucasagomes | probably won't finish on k-1 tho | 17:20 |
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| lucasagomes | jroll, +1 | 17:20 |
| jroll | devananda: we might need to push back configdriev | 17:20 |
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| lucasagomes | jroll, we need to assign to u the boot/deploy ifaces as well | 17:21 |
| jroll | don't even have code up for the nova side yet so not a huge deal | 17:21 |
| devananda | jroll: ack. bumping it now | 17:21 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: yeah, is there a spec for that? | 17:21 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, nop, but there's a blueprint | 17:21 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: bumping to k-2? | 17:21 |
| devananda | i see that mrda put up code for "logical names" | 17:21 |
| lucasagomes | as it was something that everybody agreeded | 17:21 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: yes | 17:21 |
| lucasagomes | we didn't create a spec for it, we approved the bp straight away | 17:21 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: cool, I think it'll be january when I get to that | 17:21 |
| lucasagomes | agreed* | 17:21 |
| devananda | #info "expose config drive to instances" bumped to kilo-2 | 17:21 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, ack | 17:22 |
| * lucasagomes assigns it to jroll | 17:22 | |
| jroll | thanks | 17:22 |
| lucasagomes | done, thank you :) | 17:22 |
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| jroll | anything else on kilo 1? | 17:23 |
| devananda | as for xml support, it looks like mrda's patch was abandoned a month ago, and I don't see any new work | 17:23 |
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| NobodyCam | thats why I asked | 17:23 |
| Tanlin | as i update the amt spec, code is ready once the spec is approve | 17:23 |
| devananda | there's support in wsme now which should make it easy for us to do | 17:23 |
| jroll | Tanlin: is the code up already? | 17:24 |
| devananda | rloo: so to your question, it seems like there are only 2 specs up that have code ready for this week | 17:24 |
| devananda | logical names && AMT power driver | 17:24 |
| rloo | jroll: Tanlin has code up. I (ahem) objected to some of it. I think that's why the spec is being updated. | 17:25 |
| jroll | ha, ok | 17:25 |
| Tanlin | jroll: yes, except one tiny conf | 17:25 |
| rloo | jroll: would be good if others looked at it | 17:25 |
| jroll | yep | 17:25 |
| NobodyCam | rloo: link? | 17:25 |
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| devananda | https://review.openstack.org/135184 | 17:25 |
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| rloo | NobodyCam: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135184/ | 17:26 |
| jroll | oh, I remember this debate | 17:26 |
| Tanlin | yes, i have some discussion with rloo and need your opinior | 17:26 |
| jroll | cool | 17:26 |
| * jroll would like to see the spec update | 17:26 | |
| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135184 | 17:26 |
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| devananda | #info AMT power driver spec needs revision, review is up. https://review.openstack.org/141269 | 17:27 |
| devananda | #info AMT power driver still targeted to kilo-1 | 17:27 |
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| devananda | oh, also | 17:28 |
| devananda | #info python-ironicclient 0.3.2 released last week | 17:28 |
| * lucasagomes adds to the todo list | 17:28 | |
| jroll | woohoo | 17:28 |
| lucasagomes | oh nice | 17:28 |
| * NobodyCam will make an effort to review the AMT | 17:28 | |
| devananda | just a minor release, but had support for some new features that will show up in kilo-1 | 17:28 |
| NobodyCam | review* | 17:28 |
| devananda | ok - about to move on, unless anyone raises something else | 17:29 |
| sambetts | Cisco power driver spec is up for review | 17:29 |
| sambetts | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139517/ | 17:29 |
| devananda | #topic state machine | 17:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "state machine (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:29 | |
| NobodyCam | ah yes | 17:30 |
| NobodyCam | this is the "CURRENT" state machine | 17:30 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: have busted his rear on getting these reviews up (thank you devananda) | 17:30 |
| sambetts | it likely needs work, any comments would be appreciated | 17:30 |
| NobodyCam | I have listed the current reviews on the agenda page | 17:31 |
| NobodyCam | the sooner we can land these patches, the better I feel | 17:31 |
| devananda | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/ironic+branch:master+topic:bp/new-ironic-state-machine,n,z | 17:32 |
| NobodyCam | this gives us a good clear path for what we have now to what we are looking for fromthe NEW state machine | 17:32 |
| Shrews | i'm good with the first review in that series once rloo's comments have been addressed | 17:32 |
| rloo | I started looking at those patches. I feel like they are a higher priority than the kilo-1 stuff. What do others think? (want to focus this week on hi-priority stuff) | 17:32 |
| NobodyCam | i would say at teh same level as the k-1 stuff | 17:33 |
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| devananda | these are all related-to a spec which I feel was essential for kilo-1 (the state machine) | 17:33 |
| NobodyCam | speaking of.. how many folks are not around after this week | 17:34 |
| devananda | while it's informational, this is a non-trivial refactoring of code to support that spec | 17:34 |
| Shrews | NobodyCam: i'm out beginning this friday until january | 17:34 |
| rloo | devananda: do you have an idea of how to get from current states to new states? | 17:34 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: /me is off dec 21-27 | 17:34 |
| lucasagomes | yeah I think that if we could get the state machine in k-1 that would be awesome | 17:34 |
| devananda | rloo: so, I agree - this should all land in kilo-1 if possible | 17:34 |
| lucasagomes | but I haven't looked at the code yet, I will do it asap | 17:34 |
| * JayF gone all next week | 17:34 | |
| devananda | rloo: right now, just an idea, but this refactoring is the beginning of that | 17:34 |
| NobodyCam | so this is the week to land'um | 17:35 |
| devananda | rloo: there's going to be some odd edge cases -- the last patch in the series starts to find them | 17:35 |
| devananda | where drivers are currently manipulating the state directly | 17:35 |
| devananda | rloo: the new state machine is only adding new states, not renaming or removing states | 17:35 |
| Shrews | devananda: i spent a good bit of time pulling the fsm code out and playing with it independently to understand how it works. seems pretty sound. | 17:36 |
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| devananda | so I think we can migrate, as long as there are no in-progress operations during the migration | 17:36 |
| devananda | but I don't yet have an implementation of the new state machine to migrate to. not sure I'll get to that this week. next week is more likely | 17:37 |
| rloo | devananda: and somehow deal with backwards compatibility :-( | 17:37 |
| rloo | devananda: I think if we can get the current states in an FSM this week, that'd be great ;) | 17:37 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: how large do you think the edge case issue (of drivers changing state directly) is going to be | 17:37 |
| jroll | I don't think backwards compat will be horrible, with us expressing it this way | 17:37 |
| jroll | we'll just have extra states and transitions we're dragging around for a while | 17:38 |
| devananda | rloo: I think "new server, old client" will be relatively easy -- the same three states are present and should be supported requests | 17:38 |
| jroll | oh, out of tree drivers. | 17:38 |
| devananda | jroll: we'll be expressing new states that the older clients dont understand | 17:38 |
| jroll | mmm | 17:39 |
| devananda | jroll: but POST ... {state: <state>} should still work with the old three states | 17:39 |
| jroll | yeah, agree | 17:39 |
| devananda | that's what I'm aiming for | 17:39 |
| devananda | make sure that an older nova.virt.ironic driver still works with a new ironic service | 17:39 |
| devananda | so that operators can upgrade Ironic first, then Nova second | 17:39 |
| * jroll wonders if he also wants the other direction to work | 17:40 | |
| devananda | anyhow. let's not birdwalk too far into that, and instead let's discuss that on the reviews | 17:40 |
| devananda | jroll: please no | 17:40 |
| jroll | yeah | 17:40 |
| jroll | lol | 17:40 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: are you planing on pushing up a new version of 139215 to address rloo comments? | 17:41 |
| devananda | rloo: I'll address your comments on the first patch today | 17:41 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:41 |
| devananda | I'd love to get feedback on the rest of the patches this morning so I can try to address all of them this afternoon | 17:42 |
| rloo | thx devananda | 17:42 |
| devananda | in particular, the last two or three | 17:42 |
| devananda | which start to show the ramifications of this change | 17:42 |
| devananda | eg, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140883/ | 17:42 |
| * NobodyCam has not gotten that far in the chanin yet :( | 17:42 | |
| devananda | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140869/4 | 17:42 |
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| devananda | 140883 should be covering all the in-tree drivers | 17:43 |
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| devananda | anyone working on a new driver, or maintaining out of tree drivers, is going to want to do similar | 17:43 |
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| devananda | it's also very likely I missed some state changes, so that patch may grow | 17:44 |
| devananda | was just grepping ... | 17:44 |
| NobodyCam | its a great start. thank you devananda :) | 17:44 |
| devananda | anyhow, thanks in advance for the reviews. let's move on so we have time for open discussion | 17:44 |
| devananda | #topic open discussion | 17:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:44 | |
| jroll | ok, bugday | 17:45 |
| jroll | or review jam day or whatever | 17:45 |
| kozhukalov | hey guys | 17:45 |
| NobodyCam | lol okay this weekend I started to hack on a PixieBoots Irc bot | 17:45 |
| kozhukalov | Folks, there was a discussion about Fuel Agent driver for Ironic. The spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138115/ was updated significantly and now should be much more compliant with what we have in Ironic. Did anyone have a chance to look at it? If so, do you think it’s possible to land this kind of feature to Ironic? | 17:45 |
| jroll | any chance we can do that this week rather than next? | 17:45 |
| devananda | bug day? holiday time? | 17:45 |
| devananda | jroll: heh :) | 17:45 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, I'm good with that, maybe at the end of the week like thursday | 17:46 |
| NobodyCam | thursday works | 17:46 |
| jroll | ++ | 17:46 |
| jroll | rloo: how is thurdday? | 17:46 |
| devananda | jroll: I'd love to see a few of us spend a chunk of time going through the bug list and re-triaging things | 17:46 |
| JayF | Hey guys; I was wondering how much folks would be in favor of a single repository with things needed to build Ironic's various required ramdisks. DIB elements needed for Ironic, the CoreOS ramdisk builder + logic to build IPA would go in there to start | 17:47 |
| NobodyCam | do we need dtantsur fir that | 17:47 |
| rloo | jroll: I'm around Thurs, but if we're still trying to get patches into kilo-1, I'd rather focus on that. | 17:47 |
| devananda | thursday is good for me, though I may be out part of the day | 17:47 |
| jroll | rloo: right, we could do a review day for those | 17:47 |
| Shrews | I'm out part of the day on thursday for an appointment | 17:47 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: it'd be good if he's there, yes | 17:47 |
| jroll | JayF: I know you've gotten +1 from a few people on that, I feel like you should just write up a simple spec | 17:48 |
| rloo | jroll: also (question for everyone I think). is it more important to do a bug review or maybe a spec review first? wondering if people are being delayed cuz specs aren't being reviewed fast enough or whatever | 17:48 |
| devananda | jroll: how about a reviewday tomorrow focused on kilo-1 open reviews, and then visit the bug list after kilo-1 is tagged | 17:48 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, I'm good with that too | 17:48 |
| JayF | jroll: so do I :) I wanted to do it this weekend but didn't make the time | 17:48 |
| JoshNang | JayF: +1 but i'm a bit biased | 17:48 |
| lucasagomes | tho I really would like to see all the ramdisks functionalities merged with IPA | 17:48 |
| wanyen | JayF, iLO team will be in favor of that | 17:48 |
| lucasagomes | so we could replace all ramdisks and just use ipa instead | 17:49 |
| devananda | JayF: i'm wondering a few things about that | 17:49 |
| JayF | lucasagomes: I'm not as +1 on that as others are; but I think unifying where things are stored will help us in thinking more creatively about ramdisks | 17:49 |
| jroll | devananda: I'm good til noon or so PST tomorrow, wfm | 17:49 |
| lucasagomes | right, my concern is also having the dib element there | 17:49 |
| devananda | JayF: how will that project be tested in relation to the various projects which contain the build tools? | 17:49 |
| NobodyCam | JayF: will that not mean we are maintaining several out of tree "drivers/elements" for different projects? | 17:49 |
| lucasagomes | because time to time they may change some stuff on the dib elements that might affect the ironic-deploy element | 17:49 |
| devananda | JayF: what will that project look like, as an amalgam of *different* types of scripts? | 17:50 |
| JayF | devananda: how is tripleo-image-elements tested in relation to other projects? | 17:50 |
| JayF | devananda: I forsee something along the lines of tripleo-image-elements .. with DIB elements in one dir and a CoreOS builder in another | 17:51 |
| devananda | JayF: I haven't kept up on changes in their gate structure. NobodyCam, do you know? | 17:51 |
| JayF | I'm also willing to split out the CoreOS builder stuff into a completely separate project that then Ironic/IPA could consume | 17:51 |
| NobodyCam | I have not followed the ci changes no :( maybe adam_g knows? | 17:51 |
| devananda | JayF: then either that repo co-gates with both dib and coreosbuilder, or it does not gate and we trust folks not to break it | 17:52 |
| devananda | I'm generally -1 on more things co-gating | 17:52 |
| * NobodyCam is not a fan of the latter option | 17:52 | |
| adam_g | i *think* t-i-e changes are tested with a tripleo devtest run, but IMBW | 17:52 |
| adam_g | we did do some co-gating with ironic's devstack job + diskimage-builder (where the deploy-ironic element lives) | 17:53 |
| JayF | devananda: I'm not sure if what I propose is the right solution; but I think it's better (gating issues taken into account as well) than us currently having builders scattered about :/ | 17:53 |
| jroll | let's leave it to the spec process, I think | 17:53 |
| jroll | we're going to forget everything we said here | 17:54 |
| devananda | kozhukalov: I haven't had a chance to look at the new spec version yet. will try to this week, but will be focusing on kilo-1 milestone | 17:54 |
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| wanyen | speaking of ramdisk, is there any plan to merge PXE ramdisk with IPA ramdiks? | 17:54 |
| devananda | jroll: ++ | 17:54 |
| NobodyCam | *BEEP* five minute bell | 17:55 |
| devananda | wanyen: they serve different use-cases today. so, not in the short term. | 17:55 |
| wanyen | I meant add support of iscsi to IPA | 17:55 |
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| devananda | wanyen: that said, I think it'd be great if IPA supported the remote-iscsi-attach method as well | 17:55 |
| lucasagomes | wanyen, i'd like to see those merged, but I don't know about anyone who's actually working on it | 17:55 |
| devananda | jroll, JayF: any plans for ^ ? | 17:55 |
| jroll | wrt fuel agent stuff, I still maintain that we can land those features in IPA quickly, but I may be biased etc. idk. going to stay out of it other than pointing this out. | 17:55 |
| jroll | wanyen: devananda: should be pretty easy to do | 17:55 |
| * JayF == jroll w/r/t fuel agent | 17:56 | |
| wanyen | jroll, are u plan to do it for kilo? | 17:56 |
| jroll | devananda: someone just needs to take on the work, there's two ways of going about it | 17:56 |
| Nisha | remote-iscsi-attach method? | 17:56 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, any news on the DIB element for IPA? | 17:56 |
| jroll | wanyen: I'm not planning on it, I will if nobody else does | 17:56 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: it exists, it works, it also requires 3gb of RAM :( | 17:56 |
| lucasagomes | :O | 17:57 |
| lucasagomes | 3gb to build? | 17:57 |
| devananda | jroll: yea, that is fail :( | 17:57 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: I restarted my effort. the original direction was not correct | 17:57 |
| lucasagomes | or the machine needs 3g to boot the ramdisk? | 17:57 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: 3gb to RUN | 17:57 |
| lucasagomes | omg | 17:57 |
| JayF | jroll: devananda: 1) Being hack the ramdisk to start an iscsi target daemon if an option is passed or 2) Give IPA a call to expose disks as an iscsi target | 17:57 |
| jroll | right. | 17:57 |
| lucasagomes | why's that? | 17:57 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: because people didn't spend weeks optimizing it like we did for the coreos image | 17:57 |
| JayF | both options lead to a heavier ramdisk and cause issues in the gate, right? (size of ramdisk is huge) | 17:58 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: JayF quite literally spent weeks making CoreOS small | 17:58 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, I see.. well seems like it's going on the right direction then | 17:58 |
| lucasagomes | it's mostly optmizations left | 17:58 |
| NobodyCam | I had started with a swift-temp-url element this was wrong. The logic reallys needed to be in the incubator scriots them self | 17:58 |
| kozhukalov | devananda: thanx a lot, I really appreciate that, will wait for any news | 17:58 |
| NobodyCam | *Two minutes* | 17:58 |
| NobodyCam | please ping me any functions you think a PixieBoots Irc Bot should have: current code found here: https://github.com/NoBodyCam/PixieBootsIrcBot | 17:59 |
| wanyen | Jroll, teh node zapping functions will be implmeneted for both IPA and pxe ramdisk? | 17:59 |
| sambetts | Any comments on the Cisco power driver spec would be appricated https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139517/ | 18:00 |
| jroll | wanyen: I don't know, I hope so? | 18:00 |
| JoshNang | wanyen: some will be in pxe | 18:00 |
| NobodyCam | Time | 18:00 |
| JoshNang | like, erasing disks i think we can do | 18:00 |
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| devananda | so we clearly can't pivot the upstream CI to use anything that requires a 3GB VM to run it ... | 18:00 |
| wanyen | joshnang and jroll: that's great! | 18:00 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, yeah :/ | 18:00 |
| JoshNang | wanyen: we can finish in -ironic | 18:00 |
| lucasagomes | the problem with the default ramdisk is the communication between ironic and the running ramdisk | 18:00 |
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| devananda | thank's everyone - we're out of time | 18:01 |
| NobodyCam | thank you all | 18:01 |
| * lucasagomes goes to the channel | 18:01 | |
| jroll | thanks | 18:01 |
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| lucasagomes | thanks | 18:01 |
| devananda | reminder - next week's meeting is alternate time! | 18:01 |
| wanyen | I have to go to a differnt meeting:( | 18:01 |
| devananda | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 15 18:01:25 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-12-15-17.01.html | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-12-15-17.01.txt | 18:01 |
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