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| devananda | hi! anyone here for the Ironic meeting? | 04:59 |
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| JayF | o/ | 05:00 |
| naohirot | devananda: Hi HNY to all | 05:00 |
| Haomeng | o/ | 05:00 |
| Haomeng | happy new year to all:) | 05:00 |
| rameshg87 | o/ | 05:00 |
| devananda | #startmeeting ironic | 05:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 6 05:00:33 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 05:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 05:00 |
| NobodyCam | hyn all | 05:00 |
| jroll | \o | 05:00 |
| devananda | happy new year, and good evening/morning/afternoon/other time of day :) | 05:01 |
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| NobodyCam | :-p | 05:01 |
| devananda | as usual, our agenda is up on the wiki here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 05:01 |
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| devananda | apologies in advance if I'm typing slower than usual, it's late for me -- but I'm glad to see a couple folks that I don't usually see :) | 05:02 |
| devananda | #chair NobodyCam | 05:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 05:02 |
| devananda | #topic announcements | 05:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 05:02 | |
| * NobodyCam will also be slow | 05:02 | |
| devananda | only announcement for me is just a reminder to folks | 05:03 |
| devananda | that I've posted details for an early February meetup / sprint to the mailing list | 05:03 |
| devananda | during the break, so I wanted to draw attention to it in case anyone missed it | 05:03 |
| devananda | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-December/053617.html | 05:03 |
| devananda | and some further thoughts, since it seems like a lot of US folks may not make it, are posted here | 05:04 |
| devananda | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-December/053618.html | 05:04 |
| NobodyCam | are their any details on the SF meetup? like where should I look for a hotel? | 05:04 |
| wanyen | remtoe dial-in is available? | 05:05 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: no. TBD. I just floated the idea and it seems people liked it, so need to arrange that this week | 05:05 |
| NobodyCam | lol ack :) | 05:05 |
| devananda | wanyen: it will be a developer sprint, not a planning meeting | 05:05 |
| jroll | devananda: NobodyCam: fwiw, we have plenty of room at our office in soma | 05:06 |
| jroll | I think russell even booked a room, plus we have this big open area we could hack at | 05:06 |
| jroll | free to use it if you'd like | 05:06 |
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| devananda | jroll: let's iron out the details of that so we can announce at next week's (more US-time-friendly) meeting | 05:07 |
| jroll | devananda: yep, just a heads up :) | 05:07 |
| devananda | jroll: ack. ty | 05:07 |
| naohirot | devananda: If I had an issue to be discussed with core members, it it possible to attend SF meeting via WebEX or something? | 05:07 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: with a white board or two too? | 05:07 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: yessir | 05:07 |
| jroll | and TVs for code pairing | 05:07 |
| naohirot | devananda: I can provide WebEX. | 05:08 |
| devananda | naohirot: I'm trying specifically to avoid having the sprint be(come) a planning meeting | 05:08 |
| devananda | naohirot: so if there are design issues, we should try to discuss those via IRC, email, etherpad, etc -- all the usual means | 05:09 |
| wanyen | deva, what will be covered in the sprint? | 05:09 |
| naohirot | devananda: Yeah, Okay. What does "sprint" mean? | 05:10 |
| devananda | wanyen: it's a sprint - who ever is there will work on writing code for the open specs. or something like that, I hope :) | 05:10 |
| jroll | write all the code. | 05:10 |
| jroll | hack the planet | 05:10 |
| naohirot | jroll: I see. | 05:10 |
| JayF | It's much less interesting than I suspect you all expect it will be :) | 05:10 |
| devananda | ah, i see. I assume everyone knows what a "code sprint" means | 05:10 |
| devananda | let's move on for now, and come back to this if there's time at the end | 05:11 |
| devananda | #topic subteam status reports | 05:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "subteam status reports (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 05:11 | |
| jroll | +1 | 05:11 |
| devananda | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 05:11 |
| devananda | hm, bug stats look quite old | 05:11 |
| devananda | I count 19 NEW bugs right now :( | 05:12 |
| jroll | "dtantsur on PTO/holidays, back on Jan 5th" | 05:12 |
| devananda | yea... | 05:12 |
| jroll | he was in meetings all day today, probably didn't catch a break to count | 05:12 |
| * devananda makes a note to go do bug triage | 05:12 | |
| Haomeng | devananda: yes, I raise some bugs during my testing | 05:12 |
| lintan | devananda: I see some old but high bugs, are these still import for Ironic? | 05:13 |
| devananda | lintan: I suspect they are miscategorized | 05:13 |
| NobodyCam | ieek about 20 + NEW bugs | 05:13 |
| devananda | launchpad doesn't separate "impact" from "urgency" | 05:14 |
| jroll | at least people are filing them :) | 05:14 |
| devananda | so we end up with bugs that are high impact but low urgency | 05:14 |
| devananda | s/urgency/priority/ | 05:14 |
| jroll | we should poke dtantsur in the morning and see if he wants help, maybe a bug day in the next couple weeks | 05:14 |
| devananda | re-visiting all the bugs and re-assessing them would be good | 05:15 |
| jroll | yeah | 05:15 |
| devananda | probably some stale, definitely a lot of new ones | 05:15 |
| devananda | wanyen: any updates on third-party CI ? | 05:15 |
| devananda | #info it looks like we still need to get reviews on the iRMC and AMT drivers | 05:16 |
| wanyen | deva: tried to setup 3rd-party CI but found out that we need more hardware. | 05:16 |
| naohirot | devananda: Yes, please | 05:16 |
| devananda | #info many new bugs, and lots of stale bugs. we should clean this up before kilo-3 (at the latest) | 05:17 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: code, spec's or both | 05:17 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: code, it looks like | 05:17 |
| JayF | iirc iRMC has a pending spec | 05:17 |
| NobodyCam | at least one | 05:17 |
| lintan | AMT driver has both.... | 05:18 |
| JayF | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134865/ yeah; I've been looking at this. Others should too. | 05:18 |
| devananda | wanyen: hm, I see | 05:18 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: ok, both it is. | 05:18 |
| NobodyCam | :p | 05:19 |
| devananda | any other status updates? | 05:19 |
| JayF | I have a patch for IPA we should talk about; but I called it out specifically on the agenda. Other than that nothing notable for IPA | 05:19 |
| devananda | JayF: ack, I'll make sure we get to it | 05:20 |
| naohirot | JayF: I appreciated your view :) | 05:20 |
| devananda | ok, thanks everyone for keeping the status page up to date! | 05:20 |
| devananda | moving on ... | 05:20 |
| devananda | #topic new state machine code reviews | 05:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "new state machine code reviews (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 05:20 | |
| devananda | NobodyCam: that's you. well, and me ... | 05:20 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: but you put it on the agenda :p | 05:21 |
| NobodyCam | I was looking to get eyes on the state machine reviews | 05:21 |
| * jroll makes a note to review those this week | 05:22 | |
| jroll | NobodyCam: what's the topic for those? | 05:22 |
| NobodyCam | I must admit I forgot to look them over today with all the catch up | 05:22 |
| devananda | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/ironic+branch:master+topic:bp/new-ironic-state-machine,n,z | 05:22 |
| JayF | jroll: it's linked from agenda | 05:22 |
| jroll | thanks | 05:22 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: I haven't posted a new rev since the break | 05:22 |
| jroll | oh, maybe I should look at the agenda then :P | 05:22 |
| * jroll thought he was just here for moral support :P | 05:22 | |
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| devananda | short version - these are laying the foundation for the Finite State Machine work that we need to move forward | 05:23 |
| NobodyCam | I will look them over first thing tomorrow over coffee | 05:23 |
| devananda | but so far, there have been very few reviews on the code I wrote | 05:23 |
| devananda | mostly rloo and NobodyCam, with a few from Shrews | 05:23 |
| devananda | it would be good to have more eyes on it, since it is refactoring some central parts of the ConductorManager | 05:24 |
| NobodyCam | ++ | 05:24 |
| naohirot | devananda: In case of iRMC deploy, is it enough to follow the implementation of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140883/? | 05:24 |
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| devananda | naohirot: excellent question -- this is one reason I'd really like to get more eyes on it, and hopefully land that | 05:25 |
| naohirot | devananda: I'm wondering how new state machine affects iRMC deploy implementation. | 05:25 |
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| devananda | naohirot: in my opinion, yes, but other cores must approve of it as well | 05:26 |
| naohirot | devananda: Yes, of course | 05:26 |
| devananda | ok. moving on because of time | 05:27 |
| jroll | approve of using process_event() in iRMC? or approve of iRMC following that patch in the chain? | 05:27 |
| devananda | jroll: the implementation pattern. my patches are affecting drivers | 05:27 |
| jroll | ok, yeah | 05:27 |
| devananda | jroll: so naturally anyone who is writing a driver now is affected ... | 05:27 |
| devananda | #topic stable branch maintenance | 05:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stable branch maintenance (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 05:28 | |
| devananda | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-December/053366.html | 05:28 |
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| jroll | naohirot: assuming that patch goes through as-is, yes, it will follow | 05:28 |
| devananda | I posted this question to the list last month | 05:28 |
| devananda | should we officially say we're no longer supporting icehouse? | 05:28 |
| JayF | +1 | 05:28 |
| naohirot | jroll: Okay, I got it, thank! | 05:28 |
| jroll | :) | 05:28 |
| devananda | and how long should we commit to supporting juno? | 05:29 |
| devananda | but didn't get any replies on the ML | 05:29 |
| devananda | opinions now, or discuss on the ML ? | 05:29 |
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| NobodyCam | I have seen question in channel about Icehouse support at least a few days before the break | 05:30 |
| jroll | with my trunk-chaser hat on, I don't care much for stable maintenance... I think we should support juno for two cycles like other projects do | 05:30 |
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| jroll | icehouse seems fairly useless to support | 05:30 |
| devananda | jroll: so juno until "L" is released? | 05:31 |
| jroll | devananda: I guess so, yeah, that's what other integrated projects do, yes? | 05:31 |
| devananda | also, fwiw, I think we need adam_g to weigh in on this, as he's been doing the lion's share of stable maint for us so far | 05:31 |
| devananda | and it'd be great to have >1 person doing that | 05:31 |
| jroll | indeed | 05:31 |
| devananda | jroll: yea, generally I think it's 2 cycles after a release | 05:32 |
| devananda | so that distros and users have a reasonable migration window | 05:32 |
| devananda | where reasonable is somehow defined as "one year" | 05:32 |
| jroll | right | 05:33 |
| jroll | I don't really understand it, but willing to do the right thing :) | 05:33 |
| devananda | jroll: apt-get install | 05:33 |
| devananda | jroll: that's why | 05:33 |
| NobodyCam | i would agree with where reasonable is somehow defined as "one year" | 05:33 |
| jroll | devananda: I know that, I still don't understand :P | 05:33 |
| devananda | jroll: heh :) | 05:34 |
| JayF | I think if distros want Juno maintained for a year, they should help do it :) | 05:34 |
| NobodyCam | lb -s /bin/apt-get /usr/bin/pip | 05:34 |
| NobodyCam | ln not lb | 05:34 |
| jroll | JayF: they do, to be fair | 05:34 |
| JayF | I know; it's just I wish we were able to spend all our time on the future instead of the past :) | 05:35 |
| devananda | jroll: hm, but to be precise, they aren't doing stable maint for ironic, afaik | 05:35 |
| devananda | anyway | 05:36 |
| devananda | I can draft something more formal-like and sjhare at the next meeting | 05:36 |
| devananda | at least no one seems to have initially objected :) | 05:37 |
| devananda | moving on .. | 05:37 |
| devananda | #topic AMT spec | 05:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "AMT spec (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 05:37 | |
| devananda | lintan: hi! | 05:37 |
| lintan | Hi all guys | 05:37 |
| lintan | I need your opinions about the design | 05:37 |
| lintan | One thing is to discuss about where to put amt_boot_device | 05:38 |
| lintan | in driver_info or extra | 05:38 |
| JayF | If it's driver specific, wouldn't it belong in driver_info? | 05:39 |
| devananda | it shouldn't be exposed to users via either JSON field, though | 05:39 |
| devananda | lintan: i'm not sure why it needs to be stored at all | 05:40 |
| lintan | AMT/vPro only accept the first boot device and ignore the rest if we send multiple _set_boot_device_order requests to AMT nodes. | 05:40 |
| jroll | devananda: AMT doesn't support persistent=true, and doesn't have a "get boot device" command, AIUI | 05:40 |
| devananda | lintan: the hardware ignores repeated requests? | 05:40 |
| devananda | jroll: right. I think that can be worked around | 05:41 |
| lintan | yes | 05:41 |
| devananda | but if the hardware only accepts the FIRST one | 05:41 |
| devananda | then we can't change it before the next reboot | 05:41 |
| devananda | that's a problem | 05:41 |
| devananda | lintan: is ^ what you mean? | 05:41 |
| lintan | devananda:I mean it doesn't support | 05:42 |
| jroll | I don't see that as a problem, when do you need to change it twice between boots? | 05:42 |
| jroll | my question is, if you do "set boot device pxe", and then "set boot device pxe", does it pxe boot? | 05:42 |
| lintan | jroll: it does pxe boot in your case | 05:43 |
| devananda | jroll: if I do "set boot device hdd" then "set boot device pxe" then "reboot" -- which one does it boot? | 05:43 |
| devananda | oops, lintan ^ | 05:43 |
| jroll | devananda: why would you do that | 05:43 |
| jroll | as long as this works: "set boot device hdd" then "reboot" then "set boot device pxe" then "reboot" | 05:44 |
| jroll | should be fine | 05:44 |
| * devananda waits for lintan's answer before stating why that would bork things | 05:44 | |
| lintan | jroll: but other drives support "set boot device hdd" then "set boot device pxe" then "reboot" | 05:44 |
| jroll | when/why do we do that? | 05:45 |
| devananda | our API exposes set-boot-device, so if a user (for what ever reason) issues such a command manually, it would, i | 05:45 |
| jroll | why would you set bootdev to hdd if you're not going to boot from hdd | 05:45 |
| jroll | oh. | 05:45 |
| jroll | that. | 05:45 |
| devananda | yep | 05:45 |
| lintan | jroll: another critical concern is for persistent boot | 05:45 |
| jroll | which this whole "remember the boot device" doesn't help with | 05:45 |
| lintan | in pxe boot processing, we have two pxe boot | 05:46 |
| jroll | lintan: that's a different issue that can be solved generically, I think | 05:46 |
| devananda | lintan: I'm sad that AMT hardware doesn't support changing this option multiple times | 05:46 |
| jroll | another point to make here: Haomeng managed to find ipmi hardware that doesn't support persistent=true | 05:47 |
| devananda | lintan: can it be worked around in the hardware somehow, eg. by issuing another command just before hand to "erase" a previous request? | 05:47 |
| Haomeng | jroll: YES | 05:47 |
| jroll | which means the latter problem isn't just an AMT problem | 05:47 |
| devananda | oh :( | 05:47 |
| devananda | ok then | 05:47 |
| Haomeng | jroll: for some hardware, it ignore persistent=true | 05:47 |
| devananda | that's awesome | 05:47 |
| jroll | Haomeng: right | 05:48 |
| jroll | so awesome | 05:48 |
| lintan | for most case it should work right ? | 05:48 |
| jroll | on the plus side, it forces us to solve this generically | 05:48 |
| jroll | most isn't good enough, unfortunately | 05:48 |
| devananda | ok - lintan, can you propose that as a separate change? | 05:48 |
| lintan | for persistent issue? | 05:48 |
| Haomeng | jroll: I just tested with two machine, not working with pxe set set bootdev persistent=true | 05:48 |
| devananda | I think we'll need a new table to store "requested but not applied changes" | 05:48 |
| devananda | or "persistent things we need to set every time" | 05:49 |
| devananda | or something | 05:49 |
| jroll | Haomeng: yeah, I believe you. hardware is bad. | 05:49 |
| Haomeng | jroll: :) | 05:49 |
| Haomeng | jroll: maybe:) | 05:49 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: uggh :( | 05:50 |
| devananda | lintan: I think the general approach you have is fine, but this shouldn't be saved in a JSON field like driver_info or extra | 05:50 |
| devananda | lintan: and it needs to be available for other drivers to leverage as well | 05:50 |
| wanyen | Haomeng, is this the problem for bios or uefi mode? | 05:50 |
| jroll | ok, so someone (maybe lintan) should propose a spec to add a table or something to deal with this | 05:50 |
| Haomeng | jroll: I understand some hardware does not implement all ipmi stand to support more options such as persistent=true | 05:50 |
| lintan | OK, I am willing to do that | 05:50 |
| Haomeng | wanyen: bios mode | 05:50 |
| wanyen | Haomeng, I see. | 05:51 |
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| devananda | #agreed we need a generic way to store a user-requested persistent boot device settign which has not been applied yet, and then only apply it during the reboot phase | 05:51 |
| devananda | #note this issue affects some IPMI-based hardware as well as AMT hardware | 05:51 |
| lintan | I have another issue for AMT | 05:51 |
| jroll | do we have time for JayF? | 05:51 |
| jroll | mmm | 05:51 |
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| rameshg87 | devananda, do we expect the user to reboot through Ironic only every time ? | 05:52 |
| jroll | lintan: what's the issue | 05:52 |
| devananda | lintan: we're almost out of time - can you be quick? | 05:52 |
| lintan | During PXE deploy processing, the target machine will boot by itself. | 05:52 |
| JayF | Not having time for me is not an option after staying up :) | 05:52 |
| wanyen | deva,for hardware that does support persistent boot then no need to use the table. So the use of table is optional. right? | 05:52 |
| jroll | rameshg87: that's an interesting question, I don't think we can expect that, unfortunately :( | 05:52 |
| lintan | AMT Driver has to call ensure_next_boot_device again in_continue_deploy(). | 05:52 |
| jroll | wanyen: I think that's irrelevant | 05:53 |
| devananda | wanyen: dunno. we'll discuss that on the relevant spec, when it's proposed | 05:53 |
| rameshg87 | jroll, and ironic cli doesn't have an option for reboot or soft-reboot | 05:53 |
| jroll | rameshg87: node-set-power-state reboot (also nova reboot) | 05:53 |
| rameshg87 | jroll, oh :D | 05:53 |
| devananda | ok - I am going to need to cap this so we can get to JayF | 05:53 |
| Haomeng | devananda: another one -should ironic support force-delete to follow nova commad? | 05:53 |
| rameshg87 | jroll, soft reboot is missing afaik | 05:53 |
| jroll | rameshg87: though both are hard power off, power on | 05:53 |
| jroll | yeah | 05:53 |
| jroll | I'd love to add this | 05:54 |
| * jroll wants to #topic | 05:54 | |
| rameshg87 | jroll, +1 me too | 05:54 |
| devananda | #note need to discuss this more | 05:54 |
| devananda | #topic breakign change for IPA | 05:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "breakign change for IPA (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 05:54 | |
| devananda | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-December/053662.html | 05:54 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: you want soft poweroff? | 05:54 |
| jroll | JayF: gogogo | 05:54 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: yes | 05:54 |
| JayF | So tl;dr: when looking at splitting up our hardware manager into smaller, more sharable pieces, I realized our hardware manager loading didn't work the wqy I expected it to -- or the way josh and I modeled it at the summit | 05:55 |
| JayF | so I proposed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143193 to allow for multiple simultaneous hardware managers | 05:55 |
| JayF | the only downside is this would be a breaking-api change for any out of tree hardware managers | 05:55 |
| JayF | Of which; the only one I know exists today is the one I maintain, heh | 05:55 |
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| JayF | So I wanted to generally get visibility on this and a general "OK" from the group for doing this | 05:56 |
| rameshg87 | JayF, very soon i would like to use this - for raid configuration | 05:56 |
| devananda | #note If you are using Ironic-Python-Agent with an out-of-tree hardware manager, please respond to JayF's email (linked above) | 05:56 |
| JayF | Also reviews very much appreciated; particularly by those who may want to consume this interface later | 05:57 |
| jroll | I've voiced my opinion to JayF elsewhere, but again here: posted to mailing list, no response, should be ok | 05:57 |
| devananda | rameshg87: is there any reason you will not submit your hardware manager upstream? | 05:57 |
| rameshg87 | devananda, there isn't. i will want to submit it to upstream :) | 05:57 |
| JayF | devananda: you think highly hardware specific managers should go upstream? | 05:57 |
| devananda | JayF: yes | 05:58 |
| JayF | devananda: what about in cases (almost all, in cases I've seen) that they require a proprietary tool to work? | 05:58 |
| jroll | I tend to agree | 05:58 |
| devananda | JayF: if Ironic supports a given vendor's hardware, IPA ought to as well ... | 05:58 |
| JayF | that's always been what has slowed me down when looking at upstreaming things | 05:58 |
| rameshg87 | JayF, adding ironic-agent element in dib solves this | 05:58 |
| jroll | but when it comes to firmware things, that will almost certainly be downstram in most cases | 05:58 |
| jroll | though you could just say "requires crappy-vendor-tool.sh" | 05:59 |
| rameshg87 | JayF, i can build a ironic-python-agent ramdisk by including my custom element | 05:59 |
| JayF | rameshg87: sure; that's what I do now; but should we ship code that doesn't work without a custom element that we probably couldn't even open source | 05:59 |
| devananda | if the separation is clean -- custom element is just "include proprietary utility.sh" | 05:59 |
| devananda | and the interface to taht is in IPA -- I think it's good | 05:59 |
| jroll | rameshg87: it's also straightforward to build IPA with a custom manager without DIB | 05:59 |
| devananda | JayF: yes. we do that in Ironic today. | 06:00 |
| devananda | JayF: look at all the third-party drivers | 06:00 |
| wanyen | JayF, iLO teamis interested in adding Proliant hardware manager to IPA | 06:00 |
| jroll | devananda: so you're ok with IPA shelling out to "utility.sh", where utility.sh is unspecified? | 06:00 |
| JayF | wanyen: rameshg87: The big thing this change (Which you should apparently review) that matters is that you can do small HardwareManager pieces | 06:00 |
| devananda | jroll: or is specified by the hardware manager | 06:00 |
| JayF | i.e. I'd rather see 5 hardware managers for 5 components than a single, large hardware manager targetted at specific hardware mixes | 06:01 |
| JayF | but that's just my vision :) | 06:01 |
| rameshg87 | JayF, sure i will take a look asap | 06:01 |
| devananda | JayF: ++ | 06:01 |
| JayF | Thanks all | 06:01 |
| jroll | devananda: sure, but is quanta-modelxyz-hwmanager ok? this could grow extremely large | 06:01 |
| jroll | and keep in mind everything in tree bloats the ramdisk | 06:01 |
| jroll | I'm not saying we shouldn't, it's just a somewhat hard proiblem to solve | 06:01 |
| devananda | it shouldn't install all the driver's req's all teh time -- that does need to be configurable in some way | 06:02 |
| devananda | or -- on large platforms, maybe that's fine | 06:02 |
| NobodyCam | we're over time | 06:02 |
| devananda | anyway, we're over time | 06:02 |
| jroll | right | 06:02 |
| wanyen | JayF, the bottomline is to allow vendor to add hardware management functionalitites. We will take a look at your proposal. | 06:02 |
| JayF | Good meeting, thanks all, see you tomorrow | 06:02 |
| jroll | ok, thanks everyone :) | 06:02 |
| devananda | please go check out the change / respond on the ML if you're interested in IPA and hardware managers | 06:02 |
| NobodyCam | ty all | 06:02 |
| Haomeng | ok | 06:02 |
| devananda | thanks all! see you next time | 06:02 |
| Haomeng | see you | 06:02 |
| lintan | see you | 06:02 |
| devananda | #endmeeting | 06:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 06:03 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 6 06:02:59 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-01-06-05.00.html | 06:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-01-06-05.00.txt | 06:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2015/ironic.2015-01-06-05.00.log.html | 06:03 |
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| thinrichs | Hi all. Is anyone here for the Congress meeting? | 17:01 |
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| pballand | good morning | 17:02 |
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| thinrichs | pballand: hi! | 17:02 |
| thinrichs | I thought it might just be me. | 17:03 |
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| thinrichs | Perhaps this is too close to the holidays. | 17:03 |
| pballand | guess everyone else is still on vacations | 17:03 |
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| pballand | *vacation | 17:03 |
| kudva | hi | 17:03 |
| thinrichs | kudva: Hi | 17:03 |
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| sarob | Morning | 17:04 |
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| thinrichs | First off, Happy New Year everyone. | 17:05 |
| thinrichs | No better way to start off than a Congress IRC. :) | 17:05 |
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| kudva | happy new year! | 17:06 |
| kudva | thinrichs: agreed on the congress IRC as a start :) | 17:06 |
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| thinrichs | Seems we don't have a full crew today. | 17:07 |
| thinrichs | This morning I went through the blueprints to see where we're at. | 17:07 |
| thinrichs | I know we're making progress on a couple of them. | 17:07 |
| thinrichs | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/congress | 17:07 |
| thinrichs | We have active development on … | 17:08 |
| thinrichs | datalog-aggregates (adding sum/count/etc. to our policy language) | 17:08 |
| thinrichs | murano-congress-integration (helping the Murano project utilize Congress as a gating function before they spin up apps) | 17:08 |
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| thinrichs | Is there someone here that knows about progress on the DSE blueprints? | 17:09 |
| thinrichs | dse-control-bus (adding a control bus to the DSE) | 17:10 |
| thinrichs | hierarchical-dse (making it possible to have a hierarchical naming scheme for DSE nodes) | 17:10 |
| thinrichs | Networkn_: do you know? | 17:10 |
| thinrichs | (Hoping I have the right handle.) | 17:11 |
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| thinrichs | regana: Do you know? | 17:11 |
| thinrichs | jwy: any progress on horizon-create-policies (enabling people to create policy rules within Horizon)? | 17:13 |
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| jwy | thinrichs: started brainstorming, nothing written yet | 17:13 |
| thinrichs | jwy: sounds good. Let us know if you want help brainstorming. | 17:14 |
| jwy | thinrichs: yeah if anyone has suggestions, definitely let me know | 17:15 |
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| kudva | thinrichs: I am interested in the nfv use case as an example of congress/domain-specific engine connection (in this case solver), how best to join in/co-ordinate my efforts with this work? | 17:15 |
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| thinrichs | kudva: I think you're doing the right thing already—participating in the email thread. | 17:16 |
| thinrichs | For those who haven't noticed, there's a thread on openstack-dev .. | 17:16 |
| thinrichs | where we're discussing integrating Congress with linear solvers to do placement of VMs. | 17:17 |
| thinrichs | We're using this as an example of how to integrate solver-like tools with Congress... | 17:17 |
| kudva | thinrichs: Seems like the next step in the discussion is to break up the work items in terms of implementation. I'll follow up on the openstack-dev thread then. | 17:17 |
| thinrichs | and how to integrate domain-specific solvers with Congress. | 17:17 |
| thinrichs | kudva: I don't know that we're ready for implementation yet. | 17:18 |
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| thinrichs | I'd say we want to work out an example in full first... | 17:18 |
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| thinrichs | Start with the Datalog, figure out the actual linear program we want to produce, figure out the solution to that program, see how to use that solution to invoke the vm-migration API call. | 17:19 |
| thinrichs | Then we'd need the algorithms for (i) converting Datalog to linear program and (ii) using the output to invoke vm-migration API calls. | 17:20 |
| thinrichs | Once we have that worked out over email, I'd say we're ready to implement. | 17:20 |
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| thinrichs | The other thing to keep in mind is that there's already a policy-aware scheduler available. | 17:21 |
| thinrichs | I think it's called nova-scheduler. | 17:21 |
| thinrichs | So in perhaps a parallel effort we should figure out how to integrate with that. | 17:21 |
| thinrichs | I think both efforts are worthwhile, and we'll learn different things from each. | 17:21 |
| thinrichs | kudva: do you know if gokul is interested in this? He was really interested in optimization originally. | 17:22 |
| thinrichs | But I haven't heard from him lately. | 17:22 |
| kudva | thinrichs: let me check with him. I think he was quite interested in this. | 17:23 |
| kudva | thinirchs: still is as far as I know. | 17:23 |
| thinrichs | kudva: that's be great. I'm trying to track down all the folks who were interested in this. | 17:24 |
| thinrichs | kudva: how does what I said above about moving forward on the LP/nova-scheduler sound? | 17:25 |
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| kudva | thinrichs: agreed | 17:26 |
| thinrichs | madhumohan: great you could make it! | 17:26 |
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| thinrichs | madhumohan: how's the modal-operators work going?modal-operators-for-policy | 17:27 |
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| thinrichs | We'll come back to the folks who stepped away. | 17:29 |
| thinrichs | Since we all just got back from the holidays, I'm thinking we'll wait on status reports until next week. | 17:30 |
| thinrichs | But if there's anyone who wants to discuss what they're working on, let's do that now. | 17:30 |
| alexsyip | I've been fixing some intermittent test failures | 17:32 |
| sarob | I'll mention | 17:32 |
| alexsyip | and performance work | 17:32 |
| alexsyip | those changes are on gerrit now. | 17:32 |
| thinrichs | Performance is quickly becoming important. | 17:33 |
| thinrichs | So it's great to see work being done. | 17:33 |
| madhumohan | thinrichs: Modal operators is WIP. started working on the runtime part. | 17:33 |
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| madhumohan | an initial code is in gerrit. | 17:34 |
| thinrichs | madhumohan: great! I was just trying to get some sense as to how things were progressing for our high priority blueprints. | 17:34 |
| thinrichs | madhumohan: let me know if you need anything from me. | 17:34 |
| madhumohan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144922/ | 17:34 |
| thinrichs | alexsyip: Do you know what kind of performance improvements your changes are producing? | 17:35 |
| thinrichs | madhumohan: is it worth me taking a look at what you have, or do you think it better that I wait until you get further along? | 17:35 |
| alexsyip | in our test policy, it reduced the complexity from n^2 to n. | 17:36 |
| madhumohan | I am still trying to use NonRecursiveRule theory for modals... is that to be theory is to be linked with Action theory ? | 17:36 |
| alexsyip | It will reduce complexity for many joins by a factor of n. | 17:36 |
| alexsyip | In our example, the policy would run for probably 3 hours, and this change reduce it to 1 minute. | 17:37 |
| thinrichs | alexsyip: Wow! | 17:37 |
| thinrichs | Asymptotic improvements are rare—and clearly powerful. | 17:37 |
| alexsyip | yeah, it's way faster, but costs a bit of memory. | 17:37 |
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| alexsyip | The change is to add indexing for joins, so that each join does not iterate through all items in the congress table being joined. | 17:38 |
| thinrichs | madhumohan: you can ignore the ActionTheory. Focus on the NonrecursiveRuleTheory. | 17:38 |
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| thinrichs | madhumohan: I could be wrong about this, but I think you might only need to change the unifier in unify.py. | 17:39 |
| thinrichs | madhumohan: give me a sec while I look at the code. | 17:39 |
| thinrichs | madhumohan: You might get away with just modifying unify.py:bi_unify_atoms. | 17:40 |
| thinrichs | Just treat atom1 and atom2 as if they are either atoms or modals. | 17:41 |
| thinrichs | If atom1 and atom2 are not both modals or both atoms, fail. | 17:41 |
| thinrichs | If they're both modals, make sure they are the same modal and then continue as the code does now. | 17:41 |
| thinrichs | If they're both non-modals, continue as the code does now. | 17:41 |
| thinrichs | (Of course I don't know exactly how your Modal datastructure works.) | 17:41 |
| madhumohan | thinrichs: I have the changes for unify...I guess I will get a better version before this friday for your review. | 17:42 |
| thinrichs | madhumohan: sounds good. I'm guessing the unify changes will get you most of the way there. | 17:42 |
| thinrichs | alexsyip: indexing is great, and I don't imagine the memory cost will be a problem. | 17:42 |
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| thinrichs | Even if memory cost is a problem, we can't spend 3 hours on a query that should be answered in < 1 minute. | 17:43 |
| alexsyip | I'll agree to that. | 17:43 |
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| thinrichs | sarob: did you want to mention something? | 17:43 |
| sarob | Sure | 17:44 |
| sarob | Housekeeping info | 17:44 |
| sarob | Commits are up which is good | 17:45 |
| sarob | Reviews are not | 17:45 |
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| sarob | Two people are doing most of the reviews | 17:45 |
| sarob | #link http://stackalytics.com/?project_type=all&module=congress | 17:45 |
| sarob | So I'd put out there | 17:45 |
| sarob | A review a day is all I ask | 17:46 |
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| sarob | From everyone that's part of the team here | 17:46 |
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| sarob | It's important to have more than just the core reviewers | 17:47 |
| sarob | Going over patches | 17:47 |
| sarob | And commenting | 17:47 |
| thinrichs | +1 | 17:48 |
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| thinrichs | It's also a good way to learn about code you haven't worked on. | 17:49 |
| alexsyip | Thanks for bringing it up sarob. I'll spend more time reviewing in the new year. | 17:49 |
| sarob | ;) | 17:50 |
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| thinrichs | Before we wrap up, we have a newcomer. | 17:51 |
| thinrichs | stevenld: want to say a few words about who you are and why you're interested in Congress? | 17:51 |
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| stevenld | Hi, I'm Steven Tran from HP. I'm with Kishan's team working on Murano/Congress. | 17:52 |
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| thinrichs | Welcome Steven! | 17:53 |
| stevenld | We're interested in policy-based deployment of application in Murano | 17:53 |
| stevenld | Thank you! | 17:54 |
| thinrichs | Integrating with Murano is great for us! | 17:54 |
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| thinrichs | It's great to see what kinds of policies people want to use to gate application deployment. | 17:55 |
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| thinrichs | This will be the first deep integration we've done with another system. Exciting stuff! | 17:55 |
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| thinrichs | Just a few minutes left. Any last thoughts? | 17:56 |
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| thinrichs | So let's end the meeting a few minutes early. | 17:57 |
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| thinrichs | Happy New Year all! See you next week. | 17:57 |
| thinrichs | #endmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 17:57 |
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| thinrichs | Hmmm…may have forgotten to start the meeting. | 17:57 |
| banix | thinrichs: you may want to start meeting and then end and mention that logs are in meeting-3 logs | 17:58 |
| thinrichs | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 17:58 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 6 17:58:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:58 |
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| thinrichs | Forgot to start the meeting this week. Logs are in meeting-3 logs. | 17:58 |
| thinrichs | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2015/congressteammeeting.2015-01-06-17.58.html | 17:59 |
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| briancurtin | #startmeeting python-openstacksdk | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 6 19:00:17 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is briancurtin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'python_openstacksdk' | 19:00 |
| terrylhowe | Terry Howe, HP | 19:00 |
| briancurtin | if you're here for the python-openstacksdk meeting, say hi. no formal agenda today, just seeing what's going on | 19:01 |
| briancurtin | Brian Curtin, Rackspace | 19:01 |
| stevelle | Steve Lewis, Rackspace | 19:01 |
| jamielennox | Jamie Lennox, Red Hat | 19:01 |
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| briancurtin | quick mention: Alex Gaynor left Rackspace so i don't expect him to be involved anymore | 19:02 |
| sigmavirus24 | Ian Cordasco, Rackspace | 19:02 |
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| briancurtin | so there hasnt been much movement in the last few weeks save for me getting tests into the swift proxy at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132100/ | 19:03 |
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| stevelle | I was trying to work through some of the reviews but it was slow progress as other things demanded attention | 19:04 |
| briancurtin | stevelle: +1'ed that, but it could use another look from someone to see if it's at least sane to start building on. i've been thinking about generalizing the "to_container" type stuff inside of Resource, but haven't done that yet | 19:04 |
| sigmavirus24 | Yeah, I've been trying to help out the glance folks since they're short reviewers it seems. I'll start integrating more SDK stuff back into my schedule | 19:04 |
| * sigmavirus24 will look at that | 19:04 | |
| briancurtin | i'm currently looking at bringing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136606/ up to speed since it has a merge conflict, but it's also failing in completely random ways, which is scary, especially that it fails randomly with the same hashseed so it's not an ordering problem | 19:05 |
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| briancurtin | however, as much as test coverage is important, i'm probably going to move on from that in the interest of broadening high-level service implementation so i can build something with this instead of fiddle with small examples | 19:05 |
| stevelle | I started on image uploads to Glance but had to shelve it. | 19:06 |
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| briancurtin | terrylhowe: any movement on the OSC side of things that you were working on before thanksgiving? | 19:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | briancurtin: I'll look at those tests too to see if I can offer any help | 19:08 |
| terrylhowe | I’ve made no progress. I thought I’d have more time over the break to mess with things, but I’ve been skiing too much :) | 19:09 |
| terrylhowe | I will have time for some reviews this week and probably some dev work next week | 19:09 |
| briancurtin | sounds better | 19:09 |
| briancurtin | cool | 19:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | terrylhowe: don't you know something like 50% of Americans didn't take a single vacation day this year? How could you buck the majority like that? ;) | 19:12 |
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| terrylhowe | I’m a total slacker, it is true. | 19:13 |
| terrylhowe | briancurtin: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136926/ last patch was just a rebase? | 19:14 |
| terrylhowe | that’s what it looks like | 19:14 |
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| briancurtin | terrylhowe: the only change i made there was s/account/container in container.py -- a couple of the other comments i think i'd rather address separately, but i should go in and create launchpad issues to track them rather than leaving it open ended like that | 19:16 |
| briancurtin | since the change was about docs i didn't want to mix in behavior changes, but some should be made | 19:17 |
| terrylhowe | Yeh, I’d just like to get that one through | 19:17 |
| briancurtin | i'll go through after this and create issues and do one last check to see if it can move on | 19:17 |
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| terrylhowe | cool | 19:17 |
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| briancurtin | terrylhowe: i'll take another look at the jenkins one as well. i had some comments on the wait_for_status function in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137394/ | 19:19 |
| briancurtin | IIRC the jenkins one is good, just depends on that what happens in that issue | 19:20 |
| terrylhowe | Looks like I have some work on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137394 | 19:20 |
| terrylhowe | the jenkins one should be g2g though https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121660/ | 19:21 |
| terrylhowe | oh, yeh, just what you said | 19:21 |
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| terrylhowe | I’ll make a note on the wait for server method, I’d forgotten that was blocking things | 19:22 |
| terrylhowe | anyway, nothing more from me | 19:23 |
| sigmavirus24 | If y'all have anything we prioritized that we need to knock out soon, let me know. I'll try and help out | 19:23 |
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| briancurtin | sigmavirus24: will do | 19:24 |
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| briancurtin | other than that, seems like just plugging through the open reviews and seeing where to go from there. should be able to put together more of an agenda for next week and steer work better once we have things moving | 19:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | :thumbsup: | 19:25 |
| stevelle | +1 | 19:25 |
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